The Secret of EUROVISON 2023 with Danny of Voyager
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2023
- Nik Nocturnal talks with Danny of Voyager all about EUROVISION 2023
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I love how when voyager got their first 12 points and the camera got tp them, they were in the middle of eating a sandwich.
Ah man that was brilliant, I can still see that in front of my eyes. Together with the Portuguese girl stroking the toilet brush.
@@ThaGamingMisfit WHAT. I have to see that again
@@KazoooGod it should be all over social media
@@ThaGamingMisfit it's not Portuguese.
I think it's Ukrainian, but happened to be near Portuguese fans.
@@nunomorgado2106 she's one of the British presenters/commentators. Recreating a polish song in eurovision from some years ago. And materialising the expression "milking it".
Thanks heaps for having us on the show Nik! Worth getting up at 5am! Voyager aka Danny Nokturnal
See you Sunday Voyager 🤘🇦🇺💥
You were all such great ambassadors for prog/metal but also Australian music so THANK YOU
And see you in Adelaide 🫡
yep see you Sunday also! Hope the rain holds off though!
You did us proud in Eurovision, Voyager!!!
Long time ago Finnish people tried to send Nightwish, but like always, the jury ruined it.
Hey, at least you can blame the juries. With our own metal bands in Germany, such as Avantasia, it was usually the voters who were too stupid to select them. Lord of the Lost were the first time the voters made the right choice.
@@metalvisionsongcontest7055 Maybe Germans learn to love metal. For example, most Germans I have met seem to be ashamed that Rammstein is German, and they hate the band. At the same time, people are studying German and moving there because of the band.
@@metalvisionsongcontest7055 idk i wasn't too impressed by lord of the lost tbh. It was such cringey pop with a bit of heaviness sprinkled in
@@LeccareNewHandle i mean I'm from Germany and for the most part I feel Rammstein is pretty popular
@@metalvisionsongcontest7055 You really f'd up with not sending Electric Callboy last year.
Danny is such an great ambassador for both Eurovision and metal. And cool anecdote about Stratovarius -can't believe I didn't know that!
Really enjoyed Voyager's performance. Lord of the Lost deserved so so so much better. Also love the metalheads sticking together (Käärijä is a HUGE Rammstein fan if his chest tattoo is anything to go by).
yes, Käärijä is huge fan of Rammstein. That made me like him even more :D
There was a Hungarian metalcore band in the 2018 Eurovision final called AWS
They mentioned it: 36:55
AWS is my favorite Hungarian metal band!❤🤘🏻
Been loving Voyager for a long time. I am Finnish, so couldn't vote Käärijä, so Voyager naturally was my top choice. You guys are so awesome.
Afaik the harshest vocals in Eurovision were not from a metal band but from Hatari, an electro-industrial cyberpunk band from Iceland who performed in 2019. They're amazing!
It's kinda the same vibe as metal bands. I loved Hatari at eurovision ❤
The guy is also responsible for the best points reading this year
Hatari creeped me tf out
49:52 💚 “He really was the people’s champion”
Pretty much everything is allowed at Eurovision! You should watch Hatari, who represented Iceland in 2019, with their song “Hatrið mun sigra” (Hatred will be victorious). They are a techno/industrial/punk rock band in BDSM-attire. It’s crazy and out there and a pretty cool song:
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Hatrið mun sigra was wild, I love that song. Especially the last chorus where Clemens' high vocals are like "dominated" by Einar's screams. Gives me goosebumps
Also you guys should be kinda stoked because the guy in the mask who announced your 12 points from Iceland was from Hatari - I think it was Matthias the leader singer but I'm not sure.
I'll be totally honest, I found the 2nd semi-final to be rather boring to the point I fell asleep and it wasn't until Voyager came on that I actually woke up, one of the best entries this year no doubt, I'm glad Portugal finally gave their 12 points to an artist that brought something new and original, and with no political interest. Best of luck for Voyager in the future. Cheers.
You know that Maro, the annoucer of the Portugese jury and member thereof (and their entry last year), was touring with the Austrailian band Paper Kites and is very fond of down under?🤓
@@tommay6590 that's interesting. Well, kind of throw what the op was claiming though.. 😅
Iceland gave 12 points too and right reasons so. This year Eurovision Contest end up stupid battle between Finland Nd Sweden and seriousky neither of those two shouldn't be that high. Tattoo is nothing special, Loreen is a great artist though no question abot that. Kaarija's " song " is a pure grab and he cannot sing one note also Kaarija is a racists and supports Putin's war against Ukraine. I do know that about Kaarija having myself Finnish relatives. Finland YLE silenced all media telling the truth about Kaarija after he won UMK but there was in Finnish news about him being Russian side and him following right wing racist politics .
@@chiasanzes9770 do you have any evidence of your claims on kaarija? I find that a bit strange. He does resemble Chaplin and hitler at the same time, and the other guys that "play" with him all have shaved heads. So it's a bit sus.
@@chiasanzes9770 I don't know about Kaarija's political views, if that's true, that's a shame, but if I were to purely judge the songs and charisma of the performers alone then he definitely should've won.
Cha cha cha may not be nothing too musically fancy, but it is the embodyment of what Eurovision stands for. Plus it is a fusion of genres you barely see nowadays, so it is original, innovating and catchy AF. To me, the one to win Eurovision, should be the one to bring a song that is groundbreaking at multiple levels and not necessarily the one that's a better singer.
Voyager and LOTL were also pretty amazing and they both deserved top 10 at least.
Not to ruin both of your ideas of Voyager being the first to perform a metal breakdown on eurovision, but AWS from Hungary pulled it off in 2018 with the song Viszlat Nyar (Rest in Peace Örs). EDIT : sorry for mentioning this again, seems chat was already on it while I was done typing ;)
Loved this podcast ! Danny sounds like a wonderful guy able to enjoy every moment, that is so nice to see. Also it makes me feel better as a metalhead that always had this guilty pleasure of Eurovision, I knew I wasn't alone but feels good to hear a metal performer talk about Eurovision like this.
I am so happy that chat mentioned it, because I often feel like AWS does not get enough credit for what they did. I was rooting for them in 2018 and it's still my favourite Eurovision song ever (although I have to say that Promise is now in my personal 2nd place).
Sometimes I wonder - did people forget about Viszlát Nyár just because it was in Hungarian? The trend of national languages appreciation started few years later, so they were too early for that. Or people were not ready for this, because we needed Måneskin to win first...
Anyway, I love the fact that we had Voyager and Lord of the Lost this year and I hope we will have more rock and metal on Eurovision in the future. 😊
Voyager were one of my fav entries this year and besides their song they just seem like the sweetest people ever, they were simply enjoying the time, ate sandwiches and made some friends🫶
I was a Eurovision fan as a kid before I got into metal. I do remember the "how can you like Eurovision when you're a metalhead?" until Lordi rocked up to the stage and the following year in Finland they had Apocalyptica playing during the interval. Lordi really kicked that door wide open for those brave enough to submit rock and metal tracks after that. Credit to Loreen too because she helped to up the game for more "serious" entries coming forward. The standard of songs now are far higher than in the early 90s when I was watching Ireland win again and again and introducing us to Riverdance. Australia have played a huge part in upping the game too. So having one of my favourite bands actually appear in a contest I was ribbed for loving for years was just epic!
I'm also loving that three artists I've been banging on about for years are all mentioned in here: Voyager, Sleep Token and Neurotech. I think I picked up the last Voyager album and the first Sleep Token albums about the same time in 2019 and played BOTH to death and Neurotech I played on the student radio rock/metal show I co-hosted 10/11 years ago on a number of occasions. We even did an around the world show with a different metal artist from each country and I said I'd love to hear Wulf playing at Eurovision because his music I think catches my ear as more than just metal because it has fantastic melodies within it.
Someone already mentioned in the comments about Nightwish going forward for Finland and they were turned down (what a missed opportunity!) but there have been a range of rock and metal and Iceland flung in some industrial with Hatari and I felt Luke Black this year for Serbia took that forward though a less aggressive side to that, there was definitely a later NIN feel to his track. You have to keep an open ear in Eurovision for some absolutely brilliant tracks in a variety of genres which definitely has become a lot more diverse. Estonia had a country song last year which was pretty good too. You definitely need to watch some of the madness of the pre-parties on the lead up even if you don't do a round up of the finals next year :)
Not only Estonia, The Netherlands has been notorious for sending country songs before Duncan Laurence, I think starting from 2014 with The Common Linnets and their song "Calm After The Storm" (also, DISREGARD NETHERLANDS 2012 😭).
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who enjoys both Eurovision and rock music, though mine is more on alt rock/pop rock. Eurovision really broadens my music taste, and it made me appreciate traditional European music or songs that are fused with traditional European folk music that some countries sent for the past years (e.g. Ukraine 2020/2021, Moldova and Albania 2023, Bulgaria 2013, etc.).
@@screemingslay5415 you're right. There really has been a lot of diversity across the various countries. I just wish the juries were more open to that. I used to work in a record store and that really broadened my horizons (especially since I was put in charge of the "specialist music" section). Found a lot of folk and world music I probably wouldn't have otherwise.
I live in Europe and I've been following Voyager and Lord of the Lost for a while. So I was really stoked when I learned both of them were going to Eurovision. Thanks for this talk, I'm glad to see these guys get the recognition they deserve.
Eurovision and Metal is such a weird but great blend. So many metalheads I know are also really into Eurovision. Love it. Voyager got my vote this year
Thanks I really enjoyed this and could have listened longer.
I found Voyager through Eurovision and loved their humour, their commitment and enthusiasm towards Eurovision while showcasing their music.Which I have gone on to look at more of their music since then. I hope they loved the whole experience and enjoyed their time in Liverpool and will go back one day and play there again.
I’m so happy there are metalheads who appreciate and love Eurovision even if there isn’t always metal present - I was delighted to find out how much Voyager (and Danny especially) are fans of Eurovision and how much they knew about the previous acts! I have a bias towards the contestants who really know their stuff and love the contest, the ones who are just in it for the followers are generally quite bland but the ones who really genuinely appreciate the contest are the most grateful and happy to be there. Metal and heavy music isn’t generally my thing but I thought Voyager and LotL were AMAZING and I ended up really enjoying AWS too in their year (rest in peace Örs 😔) so I support the idea that Eurovision is a great gateway for people to experience new music that they wouldn’t normally listen to or try.
Also I had a similar experience to Danny as a huge fan; sitting there in the arena watching live in a position I literally never thought I would ever get to be in (a Brit sitting in a live UK-hosted Eurovision!) - I caught myself a number of times just appreciating the moment and taking it all in 🥲
Oh and the crowd as far as I saw were respectful of Loreen’s win and didn’t keep chanting but outside the arena especially at Käärijä’s sauna bus there were people commiserating and also just celebrating Cha Cha Cha still. It was awkward for us too when the chants were happening, it felt disrespectful in a way!
Probably one of the best ESC interviews ever, where artist understands and knows the competition so well and deeply! Like he said, be a fan - it will come across!
Proud to be Portuguese. Those 12 points were totally well deserved! 🇵🇹 🤝 🇦🇺
Obrigado! Thank you for your douze points! it was very kind of you!!
Envidia de vuestro jurado. El buen gusto que tiene siempre Portugal. ¡Bravo! 👏🏻
It's great that Eurovision is now a platform where you can introduce a large audience to various kinds of metal. Similarly, I hope that metal fans will also see Eurovision as a platform to experience non-metal (and non-pop) music like the Flamenco drone from Spain or the ultra French song from France.
Great interview, so love the energy and sense of humor of Daniel , and explaining all the small details of Eurovision. I am a big fun, but I didn’t knew about the details behind the scenes. Voyager made really great covers of a few of songs of other contestants. I wish them all the luck and will be watching them in Munich this year!! Can’t wait!
I'm quite sure that their Perth show will be the heroes welcome, and that the rest of Australia will follow suit. Looking forward to their Brisbane show next week!
Voyager are sensational to see live. The energy that you saw in those 3 minutes of Eurovision, is prevalent through their entire set. You can see how much fun they're having and every single person in that venue is having the best night of their lives.
It's so amazing to hear how an artist's experience differs so much and in so many ways when they go to eurovision compared to a regular live show or a tour. I got introduced to Voyager through eurovision and this was a great interview, thank you for this
There was a glam metal called Wig Wam who represented Norway in Eurovision 2005 and they ended up in 9th place with their song "In my dreams".
Unfortunately they don't get mentioned a lot, but they did gain some attention when their song "Do Ya Wanna Taste it" was used as the theme song for Peacemaker.
In My Dreams is still one of my favorites and I remember it was the first time I voted in Eurovision (sercretly, though 😅)
Always loved that song. Was one of my favorites that year.. 🎉
A great chat !
Damn that was a great interview, could've probably listened for another hour!
Great episode, I've never heard of Voyager before Eurovision 2023. It was nice to get a bit insides about them and how all the recent things came to be.
You guys also mentioned Blind Channel shortly. It would be awesome to see those dudes at your podcast some time. Cool, down-to-earth dudes, I bet that would be a fun episode.
Aussie Croat here. Can confirm Eurovision thrives, SBS used to have dedicated hosts and parties when I was younger. Now everyone has their own house parties for it.
My mum and I still watch the way we used to when I was a kid. We go on media lockdown until Sunday and binge it all.
Earliest year I remember was 98, I was just shy of 7 years old. We used to tape them, and I would play the vcr tapes until they wore out. I cleaned my room/read/did my homework to them. I even used to know how many minutes in my favourite songs used to be.
And I still go back and listen to them all on UA-cam now. I still know winning artist, song, country, and host country in consecutive year order since Dana
check out Lordi from 2006/ metal band from Finland and they won that year.
Voyager's new track 'Prince of Fire' is incredible! ❤
That break down put my jaw on the floor! I guess I didn't realize how metal the song already was (maybe the guitars were low in the mix?)... regardless, because I didn't hear the metal in the first half, the break down caught me fully off guard! ...HOLY SH!T 🔥
I predicted Voyage to finish 3rd. I'm sad they didn't get more votes. This guy is amazing singer and their song Promise simply rocks.
They did stomp their semifinal, though
Closest I felt to having a family member on stage there... And I'm Croatian. You lot gave me the chills and I literally rooted at the telly. Just amazing work.
Nik, you should probably check out AWS - Viszlat Nyar. They represented Hungary in 2018. Only metalcore entry I know of to date.
I had the same thought at the Beginning like the Interviewer. Them beside Germany and Finland were the Best. I love that Song and listen to some others. Australia deserved more Points. Finally something different. Not just Pop Shite all the Time. Thanks for the Interview. I found "New" Bands to discover and appreciate. Yeah still sad about Käärijä...totally unfair. Think about the La Zaara Finger flip. She said what i thought. There were so many good Songs. And i haven't watched it for many Years.
I was there - Voyager were great. This is a great interview , really enjoyed it
being Canadian and a metalhead and infatuated with Eurovision, this interview and the number of times Devin Townsend was mentioned made my heart SOOOOO HAPPY YOU HAVE NO IDEA
Awesome guy! It's a pleasure to listen to him.
This was such a cool and interesting interview! I've been watching Eurovision on and off since I'm European and it was great to hear about the ESC experience from their angle, I learned lots
Cool for daniel to shout out blind channel, theyre in my top 5 of artists
I was hoping you would interview Danny, damn, I’m just so happy this podcast episode showed up in my UA-cam feed as a special surprise! Voyager has been getting better and better over the several years, and I’ve been enjoying every second of it!
Thanks to both of you for this awesome podcast! Keep on crushing it Nik! Your growth over the past couple years has been astonishing, and you keep levelling up your work. Make sure to enjoy every second of it, your enthusiasm is just infectious!
Thanks for the interview, was really interesting ^^ Hope to see more from Voyager
"You can't have keyboards in extreme metal?". Wait till they find out of melodic death metal.
Daniel imitating Finnish accent always kills me. He does it so well!
Enjoyable interview!
I'm hoping that Finland will cross your path again, as Käärijä has said he want to take his sound more toward electric guitars and more of a metal sound (him being such a mega Rammstein fan since the tender age of 8) ... so here's my favourite UA-cam Finnish teacher with a short from the day of the Grand Final about how to say his name: ua-cam.com/users/shortsVfKKHBAlN0s?feature=share
Where did he say so? That would be awesome!
@@mimi40629 He has given hints in various interviews that he wants to go in a heavier direction, musically - sorry, I don't have any UA-cam links to hand (and of course YT blocks any other sort of links!). I have noticed in his recent live shows that there is more guitar.
Nik should have Käärija on so he can teach Nik how to say Käärija 😂😂😂
I was glad to hear Danny bring up Devin Townsend because that's exactly who I thought of when I first heard the final part of Promise on Eurovision and wondered if maybe he'd been an inspiration... :D
So cool to see you feature this band. That new album of theirs is absolutely a must hear for US audiences.
I'm not really a fan of metal, but I think Voyager are great, I really liked their song. Eurovision was also interesting because of them, because it's great that as many musical genres as possible are represented at Eurovision.
Yep, definitely die hard Eurovision fans in Perth & Australia. Omg that's right, I forgot they used the actual 2019 Tel Aviv audience in the Fire Sage movie! I was watching an ESC United rehearsal livestream at the time and Matt & the team were talking about what was happening on the stage with Will & the filming. So we all knew about the movie before it came out.
Awesome interview.
Didn't know our media asked them to sing our song (lithuanian, don't usually follow stuff before the semifinals). Sorry if that was awkward :D
Awesome interview 👍😎
I never heard of voyager but promise was my nr 1 and now im going to one of their concerts 😊
There is a full gig with Käärijä that will be available worldwide for the next 2 years. However if I put the TV channel UA-cam deletes my comment. But just think of which country Käärijä is from, Finland, and you can find it. The gig was recorded 1 week after Eurovision. And it is quite awesome if I might say so.
(Though I have no idea what rap concerts are normally like since I have never listened to that kind of music before. Maybe they are all like that. Though I doubt it).
Watched Eurovision for the 1st time since i was a kid just because of Lord of the Lost & Voyager...yeah it was like 3am start in my part of the world. So stoked u guys did so well!!
They are now my new favorite band❤❤❤
46:59 Btw it is incredibly political. The jury vote was brought back in 2009 to stop the results from being skewed as countries were voting for their close allies/neighbours. Finland REALLY wanted to win this year and basically no televotes from Finland went to Sweden. And the Swedish media, even though they won, started spouting a lot of bullshit about how Finland was "once a part of Sweden" and that Finland didn't vote for Sweden because Finns are jealous of Swedes. It got ugly. Also the fact that Russia is banned from the competition because of the Ukraine Invasion, but Israel is a competitor and continues to do well? 🤨
Yeah, as a Ukrainian, I am happy Russia got banned and would love to see Israel banned too. Not that it would do anything, but at least it would send the message that apartheid is not OK
The Swedish media?You mean just one guy on one newspaper website?
The Finns didn't vote for Sweden because the Swedish song was sh*te, and they have some taste. Meanwhile, us here in Sweden voted for Finland since the majority of the Swedish public recognised that Cha Cha Cha was the song that should win. And weirdly, our usually useless jury also voted for Finland.
@@rvoloshchukify why would you want Israel banned from ESC?
While a large percentage of Jews that have immigrated from Russia, it doesn’t make them equivalent to Putin, nor should Putin’s actions taken against Ukraine be transferred upon Russian people who are against the invasion into Ukraine. Additionally I’m sure you are aware that Volodymyr Zelenskyy himself is Jewish and supports Israel and it’s people.
It’s clear as to why Belarus and Russia are not invited to participate in ESC, however, I’m curious as to why do you think Israel should not be able to participate in ESC? Is it because you think Israel support Russia’s invasion or is sending troops or weapons to the Russians? As a strong US and EU ally, it’s certainly not the case.
And Greece only gave 4 points to Cyprus!
Loved listening to Danny and the interview itself. I loved the natural conversational vibe. I saw one recently with another favourite band of mine which came across stilted Q and A based. As a eurovision fan (tier below superfan), I was super impressed with this year's line up - Voyager gave me life! Super sad the voting didn't line up with audience appreciation - as you say you had to vote for the favourite to win for them to get the glory rather than voting for who you enjoyed most. Lastly I was so interested to hear about the BTS, especially the phoney camera - that puts Voyagers voting announcement into perspective. I felt sorry for them before in a laugh behind hand kind of way but now I feel really sorry that BBC did that to them - but I never understood "all publicity is good publicity"/meme culture
love them
“I asked a major UK celebrity ‘How do you deal with this?’” Translation: I spoke to Rita Ora backstage.
Devin Townsend / Voyager tour 2024, lets go!
Thanks for the great interview.
Voyager is one of my big winners from ESC 2023. They served so much quality in every aspect and even elevated the "look and feel" of their official music video with the stunning staging in Liverpool. I was not expecting that.
Comparing their performance with our german entry Lord of the Lost, it's not a surprise they ended up much higher on the scoreboard. Their presentation was just on a very different level and "Promise" was composed with ESC (staging) in mind. LOTL instead simply took a song from their last album, because they jumped very late into our national selection. This huge difference in terms of preperation and "ESC instinct" is one of the main reasons why Australia did so much better with their rock/metal song.
Props to Voyager and the whole australian team for their great work 👏👍🤘
What an exciting interview for someone like myself, who is a European metalhead liking Eurovision :) Really enjoyed every minute of it. Nick, it would be pretty cool if you do some reaction videos on Eurovision next year. I think that metalheads reacting to Eurovision are not very common:)
I enjoyed this interview. I have known Voyager for over ten years, and it was a happy surprise to know they are representing Australia in ESC. Have not listened to them in a while, but Promise was solid. A good Voyager song, but perhaps not really a good song for ESC at this point of ESC history. Seems like the juries still are not so ready for metal, at least not progressive metal, although hard rock has already won.
Sympathies from Funland. Cha cha cha.
I did smile with the top two as Kaarija breaks out of a wooden crate, while the Loreen looked like she was trying to get out of a waffle maker or find a switch to the sunbed! Yet Danny simply hops out of a Toyota MR2 and rocks it!😃
@@susanashcroft2674 Käärijä breaking the box is a metaphor of a person getting out of his/her shell. What is the metaphor for Loreen getting out of a waffle maker? Not wishing to get a tattoo?
Voyager song was just pure fun, as well, and hitting the road. It was a voyager after all.
Neurotech!!! He also has two other projects called NeuroWulf and NeuroAxis. He’s such a cool person to talk to. Would be cool to have him on a podcast or video of yours
I just looked up Neurotech and they seem to be my jam. Thanks for the heads up for the other projects.
I just looked up Neurotech and they seem to be my jam. Thanks for the heads up for the other projects.
I was literally like "NO WAY!" because I've been banging on about Neurotech for years and played bits when I did a student radio show 10 years ago. I've been a huge fan for years. Voyager, Sleep Token and Neurotech are literally my go to artists when I'm picking out tunes with friends when we shove music on.
I really hope australia get a extension to come back to eurovision, been great seeing them every year
I think the audience is bigger than what is calculated. It's an event with a lot more people per TV than other programs. To a certain degree, they are not waiting for the genera of music they like. People is more open during Eurovision. Maybe you see a puppet turkey and it becomes your favourite show and you don't listen or like anything similar during the rest of the year.
That's so true. Around eurovision season I listen to cool eurovision stuff and fall back to my different favourite genres during the rest of the year. I have a playlist where I just put everything that I listen to regardless of genre/mood/... and it's obvious which songs were put there during esc lol
52:30 looking forward to your North America tour! 🇺🇸 🇨🇦
Excellent interview, thank you. 🤗 I had Voyager 2nd in my top 10, after Käärijä. I will follow you in the faint hope that you will do an interview with Käärijä. He is a quite chill dude so I think he would like your interview style. Just remember that Käärijä is not fluent in English. Some people think Käärijä is joking when he's talking in English. He's not, he is genuinely not fluent and will miss any obscure references in English.
Literally impossible to do this with Käärijä. He is such a good speaker in native language... maybe in 2-3 years?
Hah, I was sure it was just an act... :)
@@marsukarhu9477 Nope, it's not an act.
@@itsgoodiewoodie I am hoping that Käärijä can squeeze in an interview with this guy, since he actually asks interesting questions and is easy-going. There are already tons of poor-quality interviews with clueless interviewers. We really don't need more of those.
What Danny says about how people voted is true for a lot of people. Even though I had Australia 2nd, all of my voting budget went to my no. 1 because I just couldn't take the risk that a "missing" vote from me would mean that he didn't get my country's real 12 points. 😬 It doesn't quite work like that of course, if I had given Finland 19 votes instead of 20 he would probably still have had our real 12. 😄 🤣 But that's the mindset of a lot of voters I think. It's all votes on the favourite, and no one else gets anything. And as much as I hate Finland not winning overall, they got my country's real 12 (and surprisingly, also our fake jury 12), so I can feel slightly less ashamed of that at least. 🙂 Real 12's = televote 12's. Fake 12's = rigged jury 12's.
I'm sorry but this is exactly the reason why so many amazing acts (like voyager) got so little points from televote and couldn't get the love they deserved from the viewers. This is also why there are now landslide televote results and televote is equally "rigged" this way. Like, sorry to burst your bubble but finland didn't get "all the public vote" because so many people liked them, but it's because the people who were committed enough to vote gave all their 20 points to 1 act. I fail to see how this is any more fair than the jury voting for one act due to hype or whatever
@@ecenbt Not sure what you mean by "burst my bubble", when the public favourite got 18 real 12's and the "winner" got zero real 12's. You need to be very popular to get 18 real 12's. And to have a "winner" with ZERO real 12's, that has to be the worst result ever. Have we ever had a winner that was so bad that they got no real 12's, since the televotes started?
Other than that weird comment from you the only solution is to remove the juries, or drastically reduce their power. Because the public knows that the only chance to override the juries is to vote hard for the favourite. So even if you want to vote for more than one song, you can't. Unless you can spend an obscene amount of money. And since the corrupt juries can cancel out the public favourite anyway, why spend any money at all? This year was the last time I watched or voted anyway. I'm not going through this year's horror show again, or wasting any more of my money.
Oh wow, you're that upset you have that as your username. 😂
I was really surprised to hear that Nik didn't know about Voyager. I used to get surprised that many people in Bulgaria KNEW Voyager and with time I got the opinion that they are quite famous with everyone listening to every kind of metal :)
First time in my life I can thank to Eurovision for something.. Thank you because I've discovered such a great band 🎉
Hubby and I were like, oh wait, we reviewed albums from them years ago on our webzine :D.
Can't wait for you to get Chris Harms from LotL on the podcast as well. Loved this episode!
Hungary sent a metal band sometime between 2016-2019, Before Orban pulled the country from the competition.
At 50:56-51:00, I couldn't help laughing. All I could think of, whilst Denny spoke, was "Lord ... lost"
Everyone is forgetting about AWS, from Hungary, in 2018 :(((
Holy shit Danny's Finnish accent was on point lmao
Been watching Voyager live in perth for nearly 10 years. they are easily one of the best live performers I've seen. Every show is amazing.
That about metal heads change is true. I'm into metal since my teens and I usually try not to show it. (I was afraid of being put in to the box or scaring off some ppl.) Im a girl and its quite unpopular in Poland and here we have many stereotypes and preconceptions about metal people. We are still one leg in the past but it is slowly passing.
Generally, Its just not my thing to scream at loud my preference. All music is great - from classical to rap. All is gud. X3
Personally I liked "Cha cha cha" for its mix of hard rock and rap. First time I saw it it was: What?! And now I'm a fan of a rapper. Peliä! ... LOL
I used to hate rap. Don't be judgmental about the genres and closed in comfy frame. It great to have a taste but keep your ears and heart open! Explore all there is! Enjoy music and share it with the world. :)
Voyagers last album is an absolute banger. I really hope they really grow because of all of this exposure.
Dustin The Turkey was actually a character from a children's TV show in Ireland for many many years 😅
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You definitely need to check out AWS from 2018
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Cha cha cha might've not become such a meme if it won.
Omg hi Danny :D
I wanted to tell you about a metal-ish live performance from Käärijä. But UA-cam keeps auto-deleting my comment. 😭 Just know that Käärijä has a metal/rap crossover song, and he has performed it live. (I can't even put the name of the song because UA-cam removes it). 😭 It's not Cha Cha Cha.
I'll try to comment under my own comment, to see if it sticks: Paidaton Riehuja. Edit, yup looks like it's staying.
Check out Ukraine 2017 O.tortvald band the song Time, post hardcore breakdown one of my favorites😍
That song was so mediocre overall but the breakdown was awesome
@@mirroroffthewall5932 I agree
As a Eurovision sceptict sicne childhood, this was the year I couldn't avoid it and ended up watching. Ridiculous amounts of talent on stage, the quality compared to the 80's, 90's and 00's was insane. And between Voyager, Loreen and Käärijä there was at least 3 contestants that would have all been able to win any other year. Almost sad that all these top entries ended up running against each other but it really became a great show, even to me. And it introduced me to Voyager which is how I ended up here.
I'm sure it was mentioned before, but for a proper metal breakdown, you should check out Hungary's entry from 2018. A W S - Viszlat nyar
Fam if Canada ever enter I wanna see Alexisonfire
It's been on a American TV channel the past two year.
“Here’s a band that plays breakdowns on Eurovision.” Hungary’s AWS feel ignored.
Sweden only won as next year will be 50 years since ABBA won the contest Finland have been robbed twice first Terasbetoni in 2008 now Kaarija in 2023 it's a fix!
Nick doesnt even know how eurovision works. He was praising Germany for getting to the final lmao
Does Danny still speak German fluently when he moved at 11 years old? That is 6th grade so I think he should still speak some good German, right?
Yes, his German is still very good. He also gave interviews to german ESC channels completely in German language.
Nik, you talk too much.
1 hour chat about Rock & Eurovision without mentioning Maneskin ... mmm...I find it very strange... we would not see so many bands taking part if it was not for them PERIOD!
What about Lordi
@Roheryn G Yes, although I see Lordi as a typical Eurovision act with the dressing up, etc... despite being rock, also they have not reached a fame comparable to Maneskin's, nobody has!