Most people, myself included, are not stuck in the 'comfort' zone but rather we are in limbo in the 'familiar' zone which is anything comfortable for most of us, largely because of the uncertainty and insanity of the world 'out there'
That was a privilege to here you two talking. I have been suffering from depression for 10 years. It feels so ethical right to punish myself with 24/7 negative self talking. My body though is sooo exhausted. I just can't stop doing it as I feel I deserve it. Uf I notice it in other people's behaviour, I will certainly point it out to them in a very empathetic and caring way. Why can't I just do the same for myself? I wish I could hear my body's voice over my self "torturing" voice. Thank you for letting me share with you my inner struggle.
Internal voice is the way people are running from bodily feelings of emotions. It's possible to be conscious of the entire body all the time. Then "the voice" stops. That's what I did. Consciousness is a limited resource. When it is focused on the body there's no place for "the voice". Diet for diabetics, HIT training, meditation, massages, eye movement exercises, playing guitar, exposure to cold, Swim Hof breathing and many many more. Aha, entire Sundays without doing anything but being in solitude and trying to be conscious of my body. It worked. Still in the process but rewards are huge. Some plants may be helpful. I used cubenis, amanita muscaria and datura. The last one is dangerous but also very helpful. My body is welcoming home now. I regain my memory and imagination. Memories are immersive with sounds and smells. Yesterday I've been walking around entire neighborhood from my childhood.
I have noticed that when the unconscious thrusts a mission or task upon the ego, one, it is usually not what the ego wants, and two, any attempts at running from it will only ensure you run into it. Our myths are full of stories of heroes who ran from their calling only to run headfirst into at as fate. Johna and the Whale, Joseph and the Pharoah, Moses, Odessius, etc. What one can embrace as destiny can also be expierenced as a bondage to fate if the call is not consciously recognized and integrated.
My ego thrives on the strength in my willingness to listen to others and be flexible to allow for course corrections. Some think its a weakness, they are the stagnant know it all types. Wisdom is knowing i have much to learn
Yay for This Jungian Life! Yay for Dream Wise! Yay for Sounds True! (100% shameless plug...I've worked there for 25 years :) As a recovering codependent, I am EXTREMELY interested in this episode. In a recent CODA meeting we were discussing this major challenge for anyone dealing with codependency in their life. Actions and statements that feel natural and good and genuinely helpful are often just masking our own pleas for approval, validation, acceptance, etc. I've reached the point where the comfort zone survival tactics are simply no longer working and it's time to develop healthy boundaries. I can't wait to hear what Lisa, Joseph, and Deborah have to say on this topic. Thank you in advance! P.S. I dream about my old pet parakeets a lot.... what does it mean?!
three days in a row, I dreamt I easily levitate. The law of gravity did not apply to me. People around were surprised,asking me how this could be possible but myself had no explanation
I just hated the idea of taking care of my daughter's dog. I didn't want him, because I only saw the bad part. Hairy, smelly, an instinctual creature, has its weaknesses, I need to take care of him, I lose my freedom, etc. In reality he brought a kind of peace and structure into my life. It feels good to have him around. But accepting him came with a great egoclash. Probably I have lots of other parts in my life that are refused by me, but could turn out well. I like your podcasts a lot, because they trigger processes in me.
I went through a two week period where every single time I closed my eyes, even for a nap, I would have a sleep paralysis event where this demon growled at me. The growling scared the living daylights out of me. So much so that I developed a fear of sleeping. At the time, I didn't know I was narcoleptic. At the end of the two week mark, I finally snapped at the demon because I was so exhausted and just ran down. There was nothing left. I went into my SP, had the dream and when the demon growled at me I yelled "Come f*** me! Just do it!" I was so angry. Then I remember going, in my head, oh God, what did I just do? A little inkling of fear crept up on me but it stopped. It let go after that and never returned. Oh and you read that right...I did leave out the word "with" on that first sentence. Don't ask me why, I'm hoping it was a fluke and not me inviting a demon to tango in bed. Let's not study that part too much 🤣 But everything is like that. You have to face it for it to go away. That is if you even remember or recognize it to begin with.
This is an interesting observation. A old school Christian priest from here in Finland said "if you have the courage to face the devil the devil must flee". The demonic does not have being in itself, but anything human has being in itself. For the same reason (this is a Christian doctrine) the demonic must flee facing the name of Jesus, because all the fullness of God and human is in him. Edit: also it is such wisdom of you to stay humble and remember that the attitude must come from the realness of our being, and it could go wrong with wrong attitude. Blessing to you!
I work in the desert in construction and I dream of being at work while this dog follows me I dream of this dog/coyote a lot more since I’m getting ready for a boxing fight In one dream this dog/coyote attacked me while I was digging a hole it bit my arm and I got the same feeling of latic acid build up when I’m doing heavy sparing rounds the dog kept barking and foaming from the mouth as this is happening I feel everything turn into a cold blue and the sand somehow becomes liquid almost like the ocean I then start forming a triangle with wood ,nails and my hammer and this concrete starts filling up and I use my masonry tools to finish the concrete and it dries and I’m able to climb on the concrete that I just poured it reminded me of some type of island in the ocean I hope this makes sense thank you
You two talk as if the Self or the unconscious is a soul. My experience with all of this is the soul to me and the unconscious looks like fragments of ourselves trying to work together which looks to me like alignment when done properly. I wonder if you guys have anything on this subject of soul and the self and the unconscious being connected ♥️🥰☯️✨👍🙌🙏🤯🤔
you might find Internal Family Systems (IFS) to be of interest. there are many interviews on YT with IFS founder Dick Schwartz explaining the basic model🌱
I think the unconscious is the part of the soul that in incarnated in the mind-body-soul trinity we have here. What you probably think of is the higher self, the part of us that is not incarnated but that our incarnated soul self should ideally be connected too. But trauma disconnects us and so what you say about the unconscious parts working with the soul to come back in alignment is like the higher self reconnecting to the incarnated soul/unconscious self... Does that make sense?
😂 I am a very impressionable and suggestible person, who doesn't like Krispy Kreme donuts. But after listening to this program, I developed a strong desire for donuts. Help!
It is strange that Joseph sits in front of a wall and Lisa's red fingernails are visible. And her waving hands. I think therapy is about finding the balance between caring and frustrating. Even triggering. My therapist did this very well. Good therapy is not a joyride. But energy has to be created for transformation. You have to make fire under the cauldron. I used to have lots of somatic issues, like unbearable headaches with vomiting. They came in cycles (no hormonal cycles) and were paralyzing for days. I also had pain in my joints and lots of menstruational issues. As my therapy evolved my symptoms dissapeared.
I have wanted to do some deep work w any of you and I’ve tried to contact however been almost unavailable… I’ve done tons of dream work for 40 years… I know this may not be the best venue.. I’m just really trying to make some contact w any of u!! Btw I’ve been listening for all these years!!! Just want the clear deeper connection!!
Sometimes we want deeper connections with important figures in our lives and it takes on a sort of parasocial context. These are presenters and they have a podcast. It may be helpful for you to clearly make that boundary in your mind. I don't get any sort of impression these scholars have opened themselves up for personal communication or connections. It would likely be quite unhealthy for them to do so, as too much personal involvement outside of their regular therapeutic work can be exhausting.
Passing judgement is not a horrible thing. When people act in a way that is immoral (cheating, lying, stealing, and worse) and we don't bring into awareness and if necessary some form of correction we are guilty of bystander apathy. We have become terrified of judging behaviors in our modern world when we make judgements all the time. Is Donald Trump capable of honesty? Based on his behavior, my judgement is he is not. However, we should not judge/condemn people based on even the most reprehensible of behavior. Perhaps we have also split off our acknowledgment that we judge. And that is a problem too.
Can you leave names out because it's like you have tunnel vision or something and can't see past that block...why can't we see our own shadow standing right in front of our faces?
I was so hopeful that your rant was going to steer clear of politics. Please try to be humble in your beliefs. Allow for all truths to be considered. Your focus on the negative and trump may have been infected to you via brainwash. Please free your mind by switching to a positive message that expresses your goals with leadership towards the light. Focus on harmony not discord. We all need to free our minds and turn away from conflicts
I think the difference that I instively get is the difference between discernment and. Judgement/ discernment is an internally arrived decision it’s pro life and self way. Judgment or at least how it is used , is more externally focused with an undercurrent of a disdainful self righteousness of the person in judgement which illicits a shame response from the judged. Discernment, is being able to hold multiple truths within self and engage or disengage with what suits one’s own needs for integrity and respect desires in a non exploitative way that honors one’s self and the other in a boundaries very structured way. ( if not helps for context I am not trying to be pretentious or overly wordy- I’m 😏😤🫡😊)
It’s none of your business to judge anyone’s journey. Your view of “morals” aren’t necessary the same as other peoples. Even the mention of DT is a joke right, wake up dreamer.
There’s some fantastic ones on that, at least in their Apple app podcasts, but it goes back to 2018 I think, might take a short little hunt for the exact type you’re thinking about.
Maybe also apply this episode to your question you have ego syntonic and ego distonic. Maturity means different things to different people. Emphasis on professional or personal life, improving relations with parents or other family members, or finally starting to pay bills and start budgeting, or stopping the things you once enjoyed as a kid and teen because you have to be a parent to your own kids now. Become aware of the reality of your sacrifices as your life has changed. Could it be that your overly strict lifestyle from maturing as an adult leads to immature expressions of those morals by being an angry parent in irrational ways? Consider all that syntonic and dystonic stuff regarding maturity as a moral framework that you're working with. I think this epispde applies pretty well.
Most people, myself included, are not stuck in the 'comfort' zone but rather we are in limbo in the 'familiar' zone which is anything comfortable for most of us, largely because of the uncertainty and insanity of the world 'out there'
Familiar the operative word!!
bingo
That was a privilege to here you two talking. I have been suffering from depression for 10 years. It feels so ethical right to punish myself with 24/7 negative self talking. My body though is sooo exhausted. I just can't stop doing it as I feel I deserve it. Uf I notice it in other people's behaviour, I will certainly point it out to them in a very empathetic and caring way. Why can't I just do the same for myself? I wish I could hear my body's voice over my self "torturing" voice. Thank you for letting me share with you my inner struggle.
Internal voice is the way people are running from bodily feelings of emotions.
It's possible to be conscious of the entire body all the time. Then "the voice" stops.
That's what I did.
Consciousness is a limited resource.
When it is focused on the body there's no place for "the voice".
Diet for diabetics, HIT training, meditation, massages, eye movement exercises, playing guitar, exposure to cold, Swim Hof breathing and many many more.
Aha, entire Sundays without doing anything but being in solitude and trying to be conscious of my body.
It worked. Still in the process but rewards are huge.
Some plants may be helpful.
I used cubenis, amanita muscaria and datura.
The last one is dangerous but also very helpful.
My body is welcoming home now.
I regain my memory and imagination.
Memories are immersive with sounds and smells.
Yesterday I've been walking around entire neighborhood from my childhood.
I love your channel and topics🙏 thanks for sharing your knowledge with us ❤
I have noticed that when the unconscious thrusts a mission or task upon the ego, one, it is usually not what the ego wants, and two, any attempts at running from it will only ensure you run into it. Our myths are full of stories of heroes who ran from their calling only to run headfirst into at as fate. Johna and the Whale, Joseph and the Pharoah, Moses, Odessius, etc. What one can embrace as destiny can also be expierenced as a bondage to fate if the call is not consciously recognized and integrated.
My ego thrives on the strength in my willingness to listen to others and be flexible to allow for course corrections. Some think its a weakness, they are the stagnant know it all types. Wisdom is knowing i have much to learn
Yay for This Jungian Life! Yay for Dream Wise! Yay for Sounds True! (100% shameless plug...I've worked there for 25 years :)
As a recovering codependent, I am EXTREMELY interested in this episode. In a recent CODA meeting we were discussing this major challenge for anyone dealing with codependency in their life. Actions and statements that feel natural and good and genuinely helpful are often just masking our own pleas for approval, validation, acceptance, etc. I've reached the point where the comfort zone survival tactics are simply no longer working and it's time to develop healthy boundaries. I can't wait to hear what Lisa, Joseph, and Deborah have to say on this topic. Thank you in advance! P.S. I dream about my old pet parakeets a lot.... what does it mean?!
Ive been listening to your podcasts and find them insightful leaving me with questions...❤
three days in a row, I dreamt I easily levitate. The law of gravity did not apply to me. People around were surprised,asking me how this could be possible but myself had no explanation
Love ❤love ❤love your intelligent conversation and analysis!!!
Missed Debra's balancing energy
Great exploration!
I have had many dog dreams! Can we do multiple submissions?
Ego dystonic (spelling?) and ego syntonic (ditto) line up with the Buddhist notions of aversion and craving, the cause of suffering.
I just hated the idea of taking care of my daughter's dog. I didn't want him, because I only saw the bad part. Hairy, smelly, an instinctual creature, has its weaknesses, I need to take care of him, I lose my freedom, etc. In reality he brought a kind of peace and structure into my life. It feels good to have him around. But accepting him came with a great egoclash. Probably I have lots of other parts in my life that are refused by me, but could turn out well. I like your podcasts a lot, because they trigger processes in me.
I went through a two week period where every single time I closed my eyes, even for a nap, I would have a sleep paralysis event where this demon growled at me. The growling scared the living daylights out of me. So much so that I developed a fear of sleeping. At the time, I didn't know I was narcoleptic.
At the end of the two week mark, I finally snapped at the demon because I was so exhausted and just ran down. There was nothing left. I went into my SP, had the dream and when the demon growled at me I yelled "Come f*** me! Just do it!" I was so angry. Then I remember going, in my head, oh God, what did I just do? A little inkling of fear crept up on me but it stopped. It let go after that and never returned. Oh and you read that right...I did leave out the word "with" on that first sentence. Don't ask me why, I'm hoping it was a fluke and not me inviting a demon to tango in bed. Let's not study that part too much 🤣 But everything is like that. You have to face it for it to go away. That is if you even remember or recognize it to begin with.
This is an interesting observation. A old school Christian priest from here in Finland said "if you have the courage to face the devil the devil must flee". The demonic does not have being in itself, but anything human has being in itself. For the same reason (this is a Christian doctrine) the demonic must flee facing the name of Jesus, because all the fullness of God and human is in him.
Edit: also it is such wisdom of you to stay humble and remember that the attitude must come from the realness of our being, and it could go wrong with wrong attitude. Blessing to you!
I work in the desert in construction and I dream of being at work while this dog follows me I dream of this dog/coyote a lot more since I’m getting ready for a boxing fight
In one dream this dog/coyote attacked me while I was digging a hole it bit my arm and I got the same feeling of latic acid build up when I’m doing heavy sparing rounds the dog kept barking and foaming from the mouth as this is happening I feel everything turn into a cold blue and the sand somehow becomes liquid almost like the ocean I then start forming a triangle with wood ,nails and my hammer and this concrete starts filling up and I use my masonry tools to finish the concrete and it dries and I’m able to climb on the concrete that I just poured it reminded me of some type of island in the ocean
I hope this makes sense thank you
Very very cool dream and full of symbolism.
I may have figured out the secret to how humans got here and the afterlife. Hmu
I enjoy listening to your podcast. How do I send my dream for interpretation? Thanks.
Excited! Just ordered your new book yay!
You two talk as if the Self or the unconscious is a soul.
My experience with all of this is the soul to me and the unconscious looks like fragments of ourselves trying to work together which looks to me like alignment when done properly.
I wonder if you guys have anything on this subject of soul and the self and the unconscious being connected ♥️🥰☯️✨👍🙌🙏🤯🤔
you might find Internal Family Systems (IFS) to be of interest. there are many interviews on YT with IFS founder Dick Schwartz explaining the basic model🌱
I think the unconscious is the part of the soul that in incarnated in the mind-body-soul trinity we have here. What you probably think of is the higher self, the part of us that is not incarnated but that our incarnated soul self should ideally be connected too. But trauma disconnects us and so what you say about the unconscious parts working with the soul to come back in alignment is like the higher self reconnecting to the incarnated soul/unconscious self... Does that make sense?
😂 I am a very impressionable and suggestible person, who doesn't like Krispy Kreme donuts. But after listening to this program, I developed a strong desire for donuts. Help!
❤❤❤❤DOGS❤️❤️❤️❤️
It is strange that Joseph sits in front of a wall and Lisa's red fingernails are visible. And her waving hands. I think therapy is about finding the balance between caring and frustrating. Even triggering. My therapist did this very well. Good therapy is not a joyride. But energy has to be created for transformation. You have to make fire under the cauldron. I used to have lots of somatic issues, like unbearable headaches with vomiting. They came in cycles (no hormonal cycles) and were paralyzing for days. I also had pain in my joints and lots of menstruational issues. As my therapy evolved my symptoms dissapeared.
I have wanted to do some deep work w any of you and I’ve tried to contact however been almost unavailable… I’ve done tons of dream work for 40 years… I know this may not be the best venue.. I’m just really trying to make some contact w any of u!! Btw I’ve been listening for all these years!!! Just want the clear deeper connection!!
Sometimes we want deeper connections with important figures in our lives and it takes on a sort of parasocial context. These are presenters and they have a podcast. It may be helpful for you to clearly make that boundary in your mind. I don't get any sort of impression these scholars have opened themselves up for personal communication or connections. It would likely be quite unhealthy for them to do so, as too much personal involvement outside of their regular therapeutic work can be exhausting.
Most well trained psychotherapists will understand what is being said here. You should be able to find one locally to work with.
Passing judgement is not a horrible thing. When people act in a way that is immoral (cheating, lying, stealing, and worse) and we don't bring into awareness and if necessary some form of correction we are guilty of bystander apathy. We have become terrified of judging behaviors in our modern world when we make judgements all the time. Is Donald Trump capable of honesty? Based on his behavior, my judgement is he is not.
However, we should not judge/condemn people based on even the most reprehensible of behavior. Perhaps we have also split off our acknowledgment that we judge. And that is a problem too.
Can you leave names out because it's like you have tunnel vision or something and can't see past that block...why can't we see our own shadow standing right in front of our faces?
I was so hopeful that your rant was going to steer clear of politics. Please try to be humble in your beliefs. Allow for all truths to be considered. Your focus on the negative and trump may have been infected to you via brainwash. Please free your mind by switching to a positive message that expresses your goals with leadership towards the light. Focus on harmony not discord. We all need to free our minds and turn away from conflicts
I think the difference that I instively get is the difference between discernment and. Judgement/ discernment is an internally arrived decision it’s pro life and self way. Judgment or at least how it is used , is more externally focused with an undercurrent of a disdainful self righteousness of the person in judgement which illicits a shame response from the judged.
Discernment, is being able to hold multiple truths within self and engage or disengage with what suits one’s own needs for integrity and respect desires in a non exploitative way that honors one’s self and the other in a boundaries very structured way.
( if not helps for context I am not trying to be pretentious or overly wordy- I’m 😏😤🫡😊)
Judgement is a very loaded word I like to use the words.
Wise discernment.
It’s none of your business to judge anyone’s journey. Your view of “morals” aren’t necessary the same as other peoples. Even the mention of DT is a joke right, wake up dreamer.
Dogs vs skateboard, public perception, and all hail the frisbee.
i wonder how much you know about the things i know of...
You have type two diabetes? From diet?
Also, if you guys can talk about maturity and does maturity lead to wanting to be a well-rounded human?
There’s some fantastic ones on that, at least in their Apple app podcasts, but it goes back to 2018 I think, might take a short little hunt for the exact type you’re thinking about.
Maybe also apply this episode to your question you have ego syntonic and ego distonic.
Maturity means different things to different people. Emphasis on professional or personal life, improving relations with parents or other family members, or finally starting to pay bills and start budgeting, or stopping the things you once enjoyed as a kid and teen because you have to be a parent to your own kids now. Become aware of the reality of your sacrifices as your life has changed. Could it be that your overly strict lifestyle from maturing as an adult leads to immature expressions of those morals by being an angry parent in irrational ways? Consider all that syntonic and dystonic stuff regarding maturity as a moral framework that you're working with. I think this epispde applies pretty well.