In a genocide run, the fight with Toriel is when you realize that you are a villain. The fight with Undyne is when you realize that you are a final boss, ultimate evil level super villain.
@@devinsanderson9483 Pretty sure you forgot a brain. Protagonist means the main character. The one who you play as. The antagonist is the one who opposes the protagonist. A protagonist can be a villain as long as you play has him/her. The antagonist can be a hero as long as he/she opposes the villain protagonist.
A detail I don't hear nearly enough people mention is how quiet Undyne is during this fight. I've heard people say characters like Mettaton and Sans are more heroic than Undyne in this route because they know they can't win but still step up to you anyway, compared to Undyne who genuinely believes she can beat you. If you notice though, Undyne doesn't say a word until you deal the final blow. She doesn't taunt you for being low health, she doesn't boost her ego as she attacks like she does in Pacifist/Neutral. She's... Focused. Her attacks are methodical, and she is fully concentrated on defeating you. Undyne, the character with a fiery passion for battle, the character who berates you for being the enemy throughout the entirety of your battle with her in the other routes, the character who gasses herself up in every regard like someone trying to be a main character, the character who is emotionally motivated- is silent. She doesn't flaunt her strength suplexing boulders, she doesn't even change expression unless you hit her. Undyne is the most concentrated and level-headed she has ever been throughout the entirety of this game in the battle that matters the most. Undyne has confidence in herself, but she doesn't keep moving forward with the belief that she CAN beat you. She fights on and keeps her thoughts to herself because she believes that she NEEDS to beat you. Not just for monster kind, no. For EVERYONE. Even the people she grew up to despise, the humans that trapped them all underground. She fights for the world as a whole. Not only is Undyne a hero, she's the most heroic character of the bunch that are relevant in this route. This just shows that while Undyne can be a bit egotistical at times, and she can be emotionally charged with her decision making, she's an honest hero when she's needed. She has compassion for everyone when there is justice that needs to be upheld, when there is a threat to the peace that needs to be destroyed. Undyne is the main character here; the true hero.
Not really the words protagonist and antagonist are not about who is good or bad, but based on who we follow in the story. You are still the protag, but you have became the villain.
You'll always be the Protagonist, but you won't always be a Hero. Edit: so this comment blew up, but a lot of people don’t understand what a protagonist is. By definition: the leading character or one of the major characters in a drama, movie, novel, or other fictional text.
+Shame You'd think that, but that's not what an antagonist means. An antagonist is a character who gets in the way of the protagonist; someone who opposes the protagonist. The Protagonist is the major character; the leading role. The Fallen Child/Frisk, the character we play as, would be the protagonist no matter which route you take. If we played as the Monsters, then the Fallen Child/Frisk would be the antagonist. 8D
@@srsrerror7761ZUN is probably the god of composing game-music. All his theme songs for all his characters are lovely, dramatic, magical, sad, joyful, pure, and those key changes just are very interesting. I haven't played both game, Touhou and Undertale, but in my thoughts, Touhou always better. (Maybe because i am a dumb kid who enjoys Japanese-animation style, especially ZUN's style😂)
@@qmg523 i think that both of them are good but zun composed more musics and he has more experience in this part i prefer zun music but toby fox also does some great music. i want to see how toby fox music will evolve in these years
Toby encourages players not to do Genocide, but at the same time puts some of the best music in Genocide edit 12/27/22: okay guys, i get it, i never said the best music was restricted to ONLY genocide, i just said SOME of the best music. and besides it was my own opinion anyways. so can i stop getting the same reply notifications that ive been getting from this comment for the last 3 years? youd think after the first 20 id have gotten the message. thanks.
Azeara Azymoto I did the true ending. Now I can’t do genocide because I always think of how happy the characters are at the surface then it all resets.
The songs make you feel that perhaps what you are doing is wrong and messed up and that you should stop but guess people don't notice that. I def felt something was off when this music played.
You know, this fight is actually really sad when you think about it. Undyne likely knows she's going to die regardless of whether she wins or loses (harnessing determination and whatnot), but stands her ground anyways to protect her friends and loved ones no matter the cost. This is her final stand; The culmination of one's entire mental, physical and spiritual journey leading up to this one moment of great sacrifice. Truly the most noble thing a person can hope to accomplish. Of course, at the time, this emotion is vastly overshadowed by the fact that HOLY SHIT THIS FIGHT IS REALLY HARD. I don't think I struggled nearly as much on anything in neutral or pacifist as l did with this fight. Not even close, and I believe this was done on purpose. You see in retrospect that, the reason the fight was so hard was because Toby wanted you to lose all sympathy for this character in the moment. You don't simply beat undyne the undying on your first try and be done with it. You have to detach yourself and BECOME the cold, heartless killer you set out to be whether you realize it or not. I don't think I've ever seen such exceptional, layered writing in a video game before. This is why people love undertale. If nothing else then hey, at least the music is amazing, and that we can all appreciate.
All of this is part of why Undyne is the true hero. Like sure Sans does the same thing, relentlessly trying to stop you... but he has very different motivations, as he has a much grander insight to the world. He doesn't stop you because you killed a bunch of people, no he would have stopped you much earlier if that was the case. I mean for gosh sake you killed Papyrus, his brother, and countless others before now. Sans stops you because he knows at that ending scene if he doesn't stop you, everything is lost and the universe basically is destroyed. I'm not going to sit here and say Sans is terrible for waiting, but it is clear he isn't acting for the same reasons as Undyne, and her motivation and determination directly parallel what you are supposed to exhibit in the pacifist route. And its fantastic
This is, in my opinion, the best song in the game. It's epic, it's emotional, and the last section is one of the best pieces of music in any game, ever. 7 years later, this song is as good as it always was.
Some of the best music is not the best in terms of the music itself, but in the terms of memories : not only is the song at least decent, its also connected to a great fight and an emotional moment
You've become a monster. You have no soul (practically). And the fact that even some of them spare YOU, means that they are more human than any monster.
The way the Genocide run works in Undertale is really brilliant and what sets it apart from other games. In Undertale, the Genocide wrong *feels* wrong. Not just because of the story, but because of the gameplay. It's not natural, it's inconvenient, it's not rewarding. Running in circles to kill every monster isn't fun, and it will never happen naturally. The money you get doesn't matter because you can just steal everything from the empty shops. All bossfights but 2 become oneshots, totally unfun. At every point the Genocide run feels like you're not supposed to play the game like this. In many games you kill thousands of enemies, in many games you can do evil shit and the NPCs will call you a monster. But in Undertale, the gameplay itself makes you feel like what you're doing is wrong. The game becomes empty, in many ways it becomes an objectively worse game. The difficulty curve is completely thrown out the window, most fights become trivial and 2 are impossibly hard. The story largely vanishes. And while we all still did it, at some point I think we all asked ourselves: "Do I really want to do this?" That's what sets Undertale apart from other games. Most games wouldn't dare to make the game worse on purpose like that, but Undetale does and it's brilliant.
The Undyne and Sans battles were absolutely incredible though so I think that is a reward enough for all the grinding and 1 shot bosses, beating those bosses was soooo satisfying :D
Exactly, what Toby is trying to say is that it’s a meaningless act of evil that leads you to nothing but darkness. And that you MUST change or you’ll regret it forever.
Gentlemen it's official. ZUN will do an arrangement of this theme and Toby Fox an arrangement for Flandre's theme, for the game danmaku kagura. We are living the best time line.
Undyne has the BRAVERY to take you on, She has the JUSTICE to strike you down, She has the KINDNESS to protect others, She has the PATIENCE to last through this fight, She has the INTEGRITY to keep monsterkind undivided, She has the PERSERVERENCE to keep going, She has the DETERMINATION to make you try a little harder than that!
1:55 i absolutely LOVE this final segment. that melody plays like SIX times, keeping up the energy. it describes the battle PERFECTLY. both of you should have died long ago but you keep the fight going and neither of you are gonna give up that easily
It makes it worse that the fight is really hard, so when you've fought for a while it gets frustrating and you start caring less about the story and characters and then when it's over, you're just glad to see her die, like some heartless killer. Sorry, I didn't mean to upset the hardcore undertalers, I'm just not that well read up on Chara's backstory. There, I changed it.
the way she screamed: "ALPHYS, I-" in the end sounded like she was going to tell her that she loved her. but then she couldn't. and aplhys was probably crying, alone, seeing her loved one die from the screens.
@@JustDhav that only happens in a neutral route if you kill mettaton or undyne from my knowledge (does not count with mettaton neo as then you just get her telling you she shouldve killed you when you had the chance)
After Alphys upgrades your phone and you can get messages from her, she tells that she forgot to watch Undyne fight the human. I think this only works in pacifist/normal
everytime that came up on the dialogue box I would say "You know what else is howling? My Determination to beat you!" I was trying to hype myself up and it still took SO. MANY. TRIES. to beat her
+Vivian James The demon that comes when people call its name. Doesnt matter when. Doesnt matter where. Time after time, I will appear. And with your help, we will eradicate the enemy and become strong.
+Vivian James It doesn't matter what you call it. It has many names, and takes many shapes. But in the end, it's always the same. A cruel being with a lust for blood.
The whole Undyne scene completely shifts the philosophy of the game. Your choices don’t matter anymore. You aren’t the hero, you’re the villain. The choices of Undyne now matter more than you. You won, but your no longer human, you might as well be a beast.
Pretty much the two (mayor) Genocide song paralel the player and the monster being fought. In Battle against a True the song wants to sounds heroic even happy at some times but always colliding with the (minor third) With sans Megalovania Its welp megalomania You are doing all of this just for power? Curiosity?
Undyne was the only character in Undertale other than Frisk with the ability to refuse death thanks to her determination AND the only monster to have determination without Alphy's experiments. She's geniunly an amazing character and deserved so much more attention along with Asgore. Yeah, I'm complaining about the fandom fixation on Sans when it was alive.
The silly nice guy Sans is during any run besides genocide is charming. The cherry on the pie, however, is the fact that even though you kill his beloved brother, he's willing to allow you to continue your with journey hoping for you to push reset and make the right choice next time, unless you become a threat who not even the true hero who surpased King Asgore could stop since he knows what you'd become if you cross that line. My favorite character is Undyne, by far, but I can't deny how well written is Sans.
@@mithril5155 Personally, I think the ruins leitmotif represents the hope of the monsters leaving the underground. Waterfall has this leitmotif, showing that their hopes of leaving have slowly faded. Undyne has this leitmotif in Spear of Justice, showing she is hellbent on getting your soul to save everyone. The ruins leitmotif in An Ending shows that the hope is basically gone with all of the human souls destroyed.
Ost 80: you're saving the world from a godly monster. Ost 89: you're saving your friends from a seemingly unkillable god but turns out he's just your another friend with emotional breakdown. Ost 98: a very strong fish lady is saving the world from you.
That feeling when you shit around with Undyne the Undying for an hour, only to realise what you have done... Yea i no longer give a crap, im tired let me go to bed
Well frisk is more of an protagonist more than a hero unless you're playing pacifist, in the genocide run you just kill everyone and in the neutral one you're killing to survive, in fact its partially your fault that omega flowey happened
"I'm not a hero. But i know there's someone out there. Someone who'll never give up trying to do the right thing, no matter what. There's no prophecy or legend 'bout anyone like that. It's just something i know is true. That someone like that will strake you down." -Gerson
@DogeForever the only reason sans might be harder is because of the poison damage and how fast he can drain your health albeit only doing one damage and so much is going on so u will take a bunch of damage and no inv frames like undyne
@@kurl9429 sans does 1 damage per frame. PER GOD DAMN FRAME a single second has 60 frames (i am not sure lol) sans can drain 60 hp from you in one second if you remove the karma effect (the poison thing) sans will be the easiest boss
@@juniorhpp well yea but you get used to them at some point. The thing about Undyne is you have to focus on eating items for health, but also fighting her at the same time to get her health lower, which takes way more time
I'll never forget how relieved and happy I felt when I finally killed Undyne, I was estatic and proud of myself for finally finishing a fight that had taken me long hours... and then it hit me- Undyne was actually one of my favorite characters, and I felt awful that I felt happy I killed her in the first place! This game is so good at making you care for the characters and giving you a whiplash of emotions during genocide. I definitely felt guilty and I thought it was amazing how a game could make me feel such real emotions
+1337rox she most likely got some iner body witha syringe from someone esle.. like.. if u rly have to fight as a heroine.. use this power ...as your last afford or something like that.
+Link3000XD As far as I know, based on what she said, her Determination came from within, as she seemed genuinely surprised that she didn't die when you sliced her in half.
Leafia Barrett well i stay at my theory with the scientist ...since they are in a relationship.. and since the scientist(forgot her name) also SPOILER put determination in a regular ''flower'' from a field and in other mobs .. she maybe put some in undyne... but maybe just a rly little bit.. for emergency times. after all.. she has a monster soul,she is not a human and cant have therefore determination.
@@chrysokitrino5639 no i think it is, you have a chance to just stay on the pacifist route, not ripping the good ending away, instead you reset and betray every single character killing them all, thus being a villain
+Geometry Dash Jake Actually, "your" battle theme is Megalovania. Because Sans' battle theme is "Song that might play when you fight Sans", but it's not used anywhere in the game, cause you don't fight Sans, but Sans fights you.
I love 1:35 because at the right pace you will get to the spinning arrow attack and a new set of arrows will spawn every 3 beats in the song and it is synced very well.
This is probably one of the most tragic songs. Other routes are about her facing reality that she'll not be the hero she wanted to be. Whereas this one she does become it and it's the worst case scenario.
The genocide route brings the worst in you, and the best in the main characters. Toriel-Dies while keeping you in the Ruins Papyrus-Instead of hunting you he tries to find the good in you, dies doing it Undyne-Connects with the world on a magical level and harnesses the power to defeat/give some time to evacuate hotland. Alphys-Despite her past wrongdoings, she stands up for what is right and creates a war robot as well as an elaborate evacuation plan (we never find where they're hiding) Mettaton-No longer a narcissistic party robot, now a killing machine, determined to stop you... uh, he didn't really last as long as undyne, did he? Sans-Stops being lazy because even though you can reset as long as you want, he fights you because its the only way to stop you from getting LV20. Which would give you infinite power.
@@QUBIQUBED I do not þink Alphys actually evacuated ðe monsters. Undyne mentions ðat Alphys evacuated ðe King, but Asgore is still in his palace, and ðe enemies in Hotland are still ðere. I do not þink Alphys had time to evacuate everyone, or even where to evacuate everyone. Ðe True lab has ðe Amalgamates which would be too stressful for her. And seeing what she does in ðe Neutral routes, I am pretty sure Alphys commited Suicide. Leaving ðe Monsters to fend for ðemselves, and also since Sans and Chara comment on ðere being absolutely noþing left at all. Ðe Monsters where most likely killed by someþing or had no supplies to hide forever.
Undyne is the hero of her own story. A heroine reforged by determination to save the earth! And this is her final boss. Her final battle. Struck down by you. You're not a monster. To call you such a thing would be disrespectful to them. What you are, is an evil, demented wretch of a being with no regard for life. and you're going to have a BAD TIME.
+Sai Hitaku (Seraphicus) This has been sticking with me since I first read it...ouch...my heart can't take this... This is why I won't ever do a genocide run.
+DecepticonPointblank I think this game's metaphor is that most RPGs(or most games for that matter) are usually genocide runs in a sense, as you go around killing countless "monsters" and "evil beings", mostly just to get stronger and "level up"... I think undertale may have ruined video games for me...
Man, the name of the track is what gets me the most. "Battle Against a True Hero." It's almost as if the game is singling you out for what you've done. Chances are, you've done a True Pacifist run beforehand, and are now completing a Genocide run out of curiosity. All the monsters in the Underground thought that you were a hero, helping them with their problems, taking the time to understand them, and ultimately liberating them from their prison and allowing them to live out their dreams. But you're no hero, are you? You're a dirty brother killer. You're a filthy murderer. You're a person who is willing to commit genocide out of morbid curiosity. You're not a true hero. You see that warrior, standing up to an unstoppable force who *will* win no matter what? Who took a blow for an innocent kid trying to do the right thing, and through sheer willpower and love for her friends, was able to rise from her own ashes? *That's* what a true hero looks like. And you deserve all the Game Overs she gives to you for what you've done.
+Xiao Andy My name is Undyne Martell, and before you die, I will hear you confess! Say it, say their names! You deceived them, you murdered them, you killed their children!
Trumpets are so underrated in video game music. I especially love the trumpets in games like Smash Ultimate. Listen to the Gangplank Galleon remake, jeez!
english pls. No offence. I know I can translate using the translation button written in all bold and all that but having to lift my finger the tiniest atom is just so inconvenient, GOD HELP ME!!!!!!!!
+Ruby-Lou That's the moment when you get the chills and go "Oh god. I'm the bad guy this time. What am I doing on this ruuuuuuuun-(gets massacred by a million spears)"
Fun Fact: Even if Undyne the Undying would have managed to kill you, she still would have died. Monsters are not able to handle Determination and since Undyne had this much amount of it, it made her stronger, but the effect wouldn‘t last long and the after effects would melt her like she did in the Neutral run. As the True Lab showed us, Monsters turn into Amalgamates due to a little bit of determination. In Genocide or Neutral, there never is a Happy ending for her off screen.
@@Archangel_3 that misses the point. You can spare Undyne in neutral. Neutral doesn't mean "you kill everyone you meet but not everyone in every area" but it just means that it's not true Pacifist nor genocide. Neutral is a very diverse route. You can spare half the people and kill the other half however you like, do alternate pacifist where you don't kill anyone but don't go to true lab either, or near-genocide where you leave like one froggit alive and kill every other being in the game. Neutral doesn't mean you kill Undyne, neutral means you CAN kill Undyne.
The slowed down part makes me visualize everything Undyne has experienced in life. Asgore finding her. Her meeting Papyrus for the first time. Meeting Alphys for the first time. Joining the Royal Guard and eventually becoming its leader. Then when it ramps up she goes all out. It's so sad.
I absolutely love the fact that in genocide Undyne is a true hero,protecting the world from a murderer who destroyed every monster they met up until her,and she sacrifices herself for every monster and human. She knows if Frisk gets out of the underground,they will continue their destruction in the outer world. She knows she is going to die but she fights anyway. And then in neutral and pacifist she burns her house down while cooking spagetti
I love the titles "Battle Against a True Hero" and "Spear of Justice" on the one hand, hearing BAATH on a genocide run conveys the message to YOU that you are battling the hero, and YOU are the villain in this story but on the other hand, in a pacifist route, the only song you'll hear is "Spear of Justice", which does not paint Undyne as the hero, but rather as a simple warrior trying to avenge her species, hence her spear of "justice" undyne's actions in a pacifist route may be justified but undyne's actions in a genocide route are heroic
Seeing people suddenly talk about Touhou in this comment section fills you with... Confusion??? Jokes aside, Im hyped for Zun's rendition of Battle against a true hero, im sure it will be an absolute BANGER!
@OofTheUsername the creator of touhou, ZUN, uses an instrument that is a trumpet that sounds different, for a lot of the songs in touhou. Thus it is called a zunpet 1:45 at the switch changes to the zunpet
Even after 7 years, this game still remains in our hearts, in our soul. Stay determined! P.S. Even after 8 years, of course P.P.S. Even after 9 years, true hero.
I just realized that the title of the song is a reference to Earthbound. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, basically, most of the Battle Themes’s Titles in the Earthbound OST usually follow the “Battle Against a ” format. For example, the battle theme for enemies in early parts of the game is called “Battle Against a Weak Opponent”, and the battle theme for most enemies later on is “Battle Against a Weird Opponent”.
What a suiting song. Last line of defense attacking a human- no, an anomaly head-on, with fear being suppressed for the sake of not just monsterkind, but humanity as well. In her normal fight, she's bouncing around, talking smack, constantly trying to make the human give her a reason to kill them. But this? She's silent, unwavering. She has every right and reason to kill it, and she's not letting fear get in the way of that. Deep inside, she's terrified, but she won't show it.
My brother played through and got the true ending. I told him not to do a genocide run, but he went and did it anyway. Was horrified he killed Toriel in a single hit and how her dialogue changed, along with the save zones changing. What he didn't expect was this and how brutal she is. Well, he'll get good at blocking, or he'll need to go get some better healing items. After all, The Hero has appeared to defeat the villain, because the good guys always win... Right?
That Guy Who Is Much Smarter Than You Oh, he had to reset and NOT eat all the snowman pieces as soon as he got them. He also fought "higher value targets" instead of whimsum and froggits. So he fought her at level 11 and beat her. Then he got to Sans. He didn't see anything about how he fought and he got MASSACRED on the first opening gambit at least twice. about 20 tries later, he finally got to the part where Sans offers Mercy. Because I warned him about the permanent file messup if you finish genocide, he decided to accept Sans Mercy. He was stunned, then laughed and considered it his "ending" of that run before doing pure pacifist again.
That Guy Who Is Much Smarter Than You Reaching asgore results in you being locked into the final sequence and chara holding your game hostage until you agree to screw it over for all time (unless you can wipe even the steam cloud save). He decided to not kill sans and instead let the "mercy kill" be how his genocide run ended.
Oh my god, you have no idea how much respect I gained for undyne when I saw her become undyne the undying. Undyne is willing to sacrifice herself to save the life on an innocent. That's already pretty brave and amazing. But then she literally rises from her own ashes and becomes something bigger to, not only protect the innocent, but to stop something that she knows has the power to end everything in an instant. Almost no one in the game asides sans and undyne choose to stand up to something as evil as this. These two characters are the protagonists. Undyne is extremely respectable as she's the first person to say "Ya know what? I'm not going to sit and watch everyone die at my hands." Undyne is willing to stand up to the face of evil. She can come back from death to protect what she believes in. Now THAT is what I call a hero. Sans is respectable in the sense he literally knows he can't beat you. But. He's built up so much hatred for you. You killed everyone he ever cared about. He's a man with nothing left to lose. And he takes a stand, like undyne before him. And papyrus also tries to stop this radical genocide, he just handled it in a way he thinks will give the best outcome for everyone; taming you. GOD I love these three characters they are so awesome
After 7 years of this game being released and having listened to it several hundred times, I realized that at minute 1:36 chimes begin to ring, which are associated with the snow, do you know who lived in the snow? Papyrus, who at this point in the genocidal game should already be dead thanks to you, Undyne reminds you of what you took from him and that's why later the song comes back stronger, as if Undyne was furious when she remembered it.
@@666-v1h I’m going to take you on a trip down memory lane. Remember the date that you have with Alphys on True Pacifist? Well, after Alphys runs off with Papyrus to exercise, Undyne confronts our human with a question. “Is anime real?” She says this with a desperate look in her eye, as she continues to bombard the player with worry over whether or not it’s real. Someone that didn’t like anime wouldn’t even have a second thought that a cartoon was real. But Undyne likes anime so much that the believes that it’s real. Next time, do your research before attempting to contradict a random stranger on the internet.
Fun fact: In Polish the same word - bohater - is used for "protagonist" and "hero". Think about the possibilities. "You might be a bohater of this story... But you'll never be a true bohater"
Ok so for those of you who have encountered comments referring to smth called a ZUNpet: Basically, at around 1:54, the trumpet that kicks in is the same trumpet sample commonly used in the music for the bullet hell series Touhou. This series is soley made by a man who goes by the name ZUN. Trumpets (nicknamed ZUNpets by fans) are a staple of Touhou music and always manage to stand out and sound unique in many tracks. This is a purposeful reference made by Toby, as he is a huge Touhou fan (especially with the music). As one person once said in reference to Touhou music: "It's so weird. Here, this trumpet works so well. But if it were used anywhere else, it'd make me want to rip my ears out..." (
Let's just remember that this woman burnt her house down trying to make spaghetti.
And lost to a kid in every route
the fish burnt it down you mean
Me in 2015 trying to cook
Terese Daigle while trying to teach a child how to make spaghetti as well -_-
Well, it's simple math
If it takes an hour to cook at 200°
It'll cook in a minute at 12,000°
Undyne sacrificed herself to save monster kid.
She also sacrificed her home to cook pasta.
*_ONLY PASTA_*
according to Toby, Monster kid dies during the Undyne the undying fight
Do you have a link to where he said that?
HyperLord he does? How? You never actually slice him, do you? She tells him to go home and your LV doesn’t seem affected mid-fight.
Chris Crump he tripped from the spears hitting the ground
Undetale ost 89: You're saving the world from a monster. Undertale ost 98: A monster is saving the world from you
In soviet russia we save world from YOU
@@bradblase7902 *FOR MOTHER LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!*
@Chloe Chen Wise words, my friend :)
@@arn3107 Wise words, my friend :)
Привет из России. Hello from Russia.
I love the way in her other fights, she is talkative, and angry, and shows her big ego. However, in this fight, she is completely silent.
Because she is filled with D E T E R M I N A T I O N
Yea, she is serious in this fight bc she is determined to kill you now
Clownpierce level silence is crazy
Silent but deadly
@@zzKataritruly
“The heroine appears” that’s toby actively telling you that you are the villain effectively without actually saying it
And us blaming chara and wanting to kill her as undyne said that we'll kill both monsters and humans well that's what we have become.
Heroine
you killed hundreds of innocent monsters i don't think toby needs to tell you that you're a villain
@Encrypted_Entity it's Toby saying that Undyne had to take Heroine for her Power Up.
If you need Toby to tell you to know that you're the villain, then you're too far gone
In a genocide run, the fight with Toriel is when you realize that you are a villain.
The fight with Undyne is when you realize that you are a final boss, ultimate evil level super villain.
And Megalovania is YOUR boss theme, not the other guy's.
Undyne is the protagonist, you are the villain. It's why she's so hard to beat
@@devinsanderson9483 No you are the protagonist. She's the antagonist.
@@x-rax716 were you dropped on your head as a baby?
@@devinsanderson9483 Pretty sure you forgot a brain.
Protagonist means the main character. The one who you play as. The antagonist is the one who opposes the protagonist. A protagonist can be a villain as long as you play has him/her. The antagonist can be a hero as long as he/she opposes the villain protagonist.
Undyne, the only Genocide route boss that doesn't die in one hit!
lol true
What about napstablook?
Ikr
+Moltendo unless you are planning to grind on a different place in which it is a neutral fight but it doesn't affect the genocide route
That name and that profile pic... I will never look at Ram the same way again.
A detail I don't hear nearly enough people mention is how quiet Undyne is during this fight. I've heard people say characters like Mettaton and Sans are more heroic than Undyne in this route because they know they can't win but still step up to you anyway, compared to Undyne who genuinely believes she can beat you. If you notice though, Undyne doesn't say a word until you deal the final blow. She doesn't taunt you for being low health, she doesn't boost her ego as she attacks like she does in Pacifist/Neutral. She's... Focused. Her attacks are methodical, and she is fully concentrated on defeating you. Undyne, the character with a fiery passion for battle, the character who berates you for being the enemy throughout the entirety of your battle with her in the other routes, the character who gasses herself up in every regard like someone trying to be a main character, the character who is emotionally motivated- is silent. She doesn't flaunt her strength suplexing boulders, she doesn't even change expression unless you hit her. Undyne is the most concentrated and level-headed she has ever been throughout the entirety of this game in the battle that matters the most. Undyne has confidence in herself, but she doesn't keep moving forward with the belief that she CAN beat you. She fights on and keeps her thoughts to herself because she believes that she NEEDS to beat you. Not just for monster kind, no. For EVERYONE. Even the people she grew up to despise, the humans that trapped them all underground. She fights for the world as a whole. Not only is Undyne a hero, she's the most heroic character of the bunch that are relevant in this route. This just shows that while Undyne can be a bit egotistical at times, and she can be emotionally charged with her decision making, she's an honest hero when she's needed. She has compassion for everyone when there is justice that needs to be upheld, when there is a threat to the peace that needs to be destroyed. Undyne is the main character here; the true hero.
I'm not reading all of that 💀💀💀
Your coment is beautiful
Mastermind
Congrats for embarrasing yourself@@maozedong69420
I like tis essay
You know you're the villain when your enemy uses the power of friendship against you
Yup except you are too powerful for the Power of friendship to work.
Ye but you have plot armor so it doesn't matter
Oh, how the turns have tabled
Not really the words protagonist and antagonist are not about who is good or bad, but based on who we follow in the story. You are still the protag, but you have became the villain.
@@charcoaleater343 🤓
Undyne the Undying
She attac
She Protecc
But she don’t die in one whacc
Lol
Here ya go:
She protecc
She attacc
But most importantly
She doesn't die in one whacc
Love this
*she doesn't die.
Tomi Battias the misspelling is the meme and atacc is spelled fine?
You'll always be the Protagonist, but you won't always be a Hero.
Edit: so this comment blew up, but a lot of people don’t understand what a protagonist is. By definition: the leading character or one of the major characters in a drama, movie, novel, or other fictional text.
Truer words have never been spoken
+TheCookieCrusaders (Steam Pony) Agreed
+Aeron Le Noire You can become and die as a hero or live long enough to see you're self become a villain.
Aeron Le N.
You play Infamous don't you?
+Shame You'd think that, but that's not what an antagonist means. An antagonist is a character who gets in the way of the protagonist; someone who opposes the protagonist. The Protagonist is the major character; the leading role. The Fallen Child/Frisk, the character we play as, would be the protagonist no matter which route you take.
If we played as the Monsters, then the Fallen Child/Frisk would be the antagonist. 8D
''Hearing that ZUN himself is going to arrange this OST fills you with DETERMINATION''
Fr man, I'm actually more hyped for ZUN's remix of this than of Toby's remix of UN Owen lol.
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache im excited for both
they are my two favorite game music composers
@@srsrerror7761ZUN is probably the god of composing game-music. All his theme songs for all his characters are lovely, dramatic, magical, sad, joyful, pure, and those key changes just are very interesting.
I haven't played both game, Touhou and Undertale, but in my thoughts, Touhou always better.
(Maybe because i am a dumb kid who enjoys Japanese-animation style, especially ZUN's style😂)
@@qmg523 i think that both of them are good
but zun composed more musics
and he has more experience in this part
i prefer zun music but toby fox also does some great music. i want to see how toby fox music will evolve in these years
@@srsrerror7761 right, spider dance!!
Toby encourages players not to do Genocide, but at the same time puts some of the best music in Genocide
edit 12/27/22: okay guys, i get it, i never said the best music was restricted to ONLY genocide, i just said SOME of the best music. and besides it was my own opinion anyways. so can i stop getting the same reply notifications that ive been getting from this comment for the last 3 years? youd think after the first 20 id have gotten the message. thanks.
So true!
Don’t do genocide first* you have to do it for the true ending though.
Azeara Azymoto
I did the true ending.
Now I can’t do genocide because I always think of how happy the characters are at the surface then it all resets.
The songs make you feel that perhaps what you are doing is wrong and messed up and that you should stop but guess people don't notice that. I def felt something was off when this music played.
Genocide is like the actual story
Undyne is a true hero, she is willing to sacrifice herself to save the innocent and people she loves.
She is also willing to sacrifice her home to teach you to cook pasta.
*What a true hero.*
And her house for a cooking lesson
@Fake Bob may she rest in peice
Thats why her theme is called "a battle against a true hero"
Mettaton too
You know, this fight is actually really sad when you think about it. Undyne likely knows she's going to die regardless of whether she wins or loses (harnessing determination and whatnot), but stands her ground anyways to protect her friends and loved ones no matter the cost. This is her final stand; The culmination of one's entire mental, physical and spiritual journey leading up to this one moment of great sacrifice. Truly the most noble thing a person can hope to accomplish.
Of course, at the time, this emotion is vastly overshadowed by the fact that HOLY SHIT THIS FIGHT IS REALLY HARD. I don't think I struggled nearly as much on anything in neutral or pacifist as l did with this fight. Not even close, and I believe this was done on purpose.
You see in retrospect that, the reason the fight was so hard was because Toby wanted you to lose all sympathy for this character in the moment. You don't simply beat undyne the undying on your first try and be done with it. You have to detach yourself and BECOME the cold, heartless killer you set out to be whether you realize it or not.
I don't think I've ever seen such exceptional, layered writing in a video game before. This is why people love undertale. If nothing else then hey, at least the music is amazing, and that we can all appreciate.
Excellent theory mat, keep up the hard work
Also think about Asgore too
All of this is part of why Undyne is the true hero. Like sure Sans does the same thing, relentlessly trying to stop you... but he has very different motivations, as he has a much grander insight to the world. He doesn't stop you because you killed a bunch of people, no he would have stopped you much earlier if that was the case. I mean for gosh sake you killed Papyrus, his brother, and countless others before now. Sans stops you because he knows at that ending scene if he doesn't stop you, everything is lost and the universe basically is destroyed. I'm not going to sit here and say Sans is terrible for waiting, but it is clear he isn't acting for the same reasons as Undyne, and her motivation and determination directly parallel what you are supposed to exhibit in the pacifist route. And its fantastic
underrated Comment.
This, this is my favorite comment on youtube right now. im in tears.
This is, in my opinion, the best song in the game. It's epic, it's emotional, and the last section is one of the best pieces of music in any game, ever.
7 years later, this song is as good as it always was.
I hate it
L
oh my god datmeme real
@@supermariodanny3820 Yooooo
I'm everywhere too
k@@cooperski3651
i always thought people were lying when they said music gave them chills.
guess i was wrong.
Welcome to the Undernerds, where we cry about fictional eight-bit characters and megalovania makes us feel our sins crawling on our backs.
1:36 checkmate
Some of the best music is not the best in terms of the music itself, but in the terms of memories : not only is the song at least decent, its also connected to a great fight and an emotional moment
listen to amalgam
I get goosebumps listening to Hopes and Dreams
"Human... no. Whatever you are..."
Omg. Excuse me while I cry.
I find it amazing when they say you are no longer human
Instead you are the Demon
You've become a monster. You have no soul (practically). And the fact that even some of them spare YOU, means that they are more human than any monster.
Brenduck You're not a monster. That's an insult to monsters
I don't know if that was directed toward me, but if it was, sick burn. If it was toward Chara, then HA, sick burn.
The way the Genocide run works in Undertale is really brilliant and what sets it apart from other games.
In Undertale, the Genocide wrong *feels* wrong. Not just because of the story, but because of the gameplay. It's not natural, it's inconvenient, it's not rewarding.
Running in circles to kill every monster isn't fun, and it will never happen naturally. The money you get doesn't matter because you can just steal everything from the empty shops. All bossfights but 2 become oneshots, totally unfun.
At every point the Genocide run feels like you're not supposed to play the game like this. In many games you kill thousands of enemies, in many games you can do evil shit and the NPCs will call you a monster.
But in Undertale, the gameplay itself makes you feel like what you're doing is wrong. The game becomes empty, in many ways it becomes an objectively worse game. The difficulty curve is completely thrown out the window, most fights become trivial and 2 are impossibly hard. The story largely vanishes. And while we all still did it, at some point I think we all asked ourselves: "Do I really want to do this?"
That's what sets Undertale apart from other games. Most games wouldn't dare to make the game worse on purpose like that, but Undetale does and it's brilliant.
@@juniorhpp you know what happens if you try pacifist after genocide right?
The Undyne and Sans battles were absolutely incredible though so I think that is a reward enough for all the grinding and 1 shot bosses, beating those bosses was soooo satisfying :D
Exactly, what Toby is trying to say is that it’s a meaningless act of evil that leads you to nothing but darkness. And that you MUST change or you’ll regret it forever.
@@juniorhpp you are joking right?! If you’re not, you’re just another monster of a man.
Toby's game are a rare case where Gameplay and Story don't just reluctantly share a room, but are actively making out on the couch.
Gentlemen it's official. ZUN will do an arrangement of this theme and Toby Fox an arrangement for Flandre's theme, for the game danmaku kagura. We are living the best time line.
it's a canon event
Full fucking circle, man.
The song was already complete (along with the songs for the new touhou game) before the announcement
NICE
yes.i cannot wait
All these people not able to beat Undyne while I'm chilling in the judgement hall getting fucKING DUNKED ON FUCK.
Me right now
I BEAT SANS PRAISE THE LORD
+Viktor the Creator Any tips? XD
+Colton Waters his ring of Gaster blasters will FUCK YOU UP
I KNOWWWWWW! I got to his last attack and FUCKED UP!
* You say to Undyne that anime isn't real
* Undyne's ATTACK increased by 999999999999999999!
replace undyne with alphys and youve got yourself half of the dialogue in hotlands
genderless human child: mistakes were made
@@whereismycup lol genderless
I don't get how kids like you find this funny
@@cheeseking7363 i don't get it why you don't? (Or is it just me thinking that this joke is overused)
Undyne has the BRAVERY to take you on, She has the JUSTICE to strike you down, She has the KINDNESS to protect others, She has the PATIENCE to last through this fight, She has the INTEGRITY to keep monsterkind undivided, She has the PERSERVERENCE to keep going, She has the DETERMINATION to make you try a little harder than that!
This is the best!
fun fact: this is the personalities of all the humans that fell into the underground and its in order too
Hey, all the human souls!
why is my comment getting 100 likes I'm just a random man who makes sh*tposts
@@m23medrano It isn’t in order, Patience fell down first.
1:55 i absolutely LOVE this final segment. that melody plays like SIX times, keeping up the energy. it describes the battle PERFECTLY. both of you should have died long ago but you keep the fight going and neither of you are gonna give up that easily
also because zunpets
@@suzuhuasca Trumpets always sound epic, imagine trying to make a sad song with them, you can't
@@ServeraServera0I'll face myself (non battle version) from persona 4 would like to speak with you
@@setsun4i Sounds like a heroic ending
But I really don't know the context so it could be sad
@@ServeraServera0the trumpet in heartache:
Me: hears this song
“Yeah! Go to hell, me!”
honestly same
Tbh every time I hear this song and watch Undyne fights, I always feel sorry for the monsters like they were real.
It makes it worse that the fight is really hard, so when you've fought for a while it gets frustrating and you start caring less about the story and characters and then when it's over, you're just glad to see her die, like some heartless killer.
Sorry, I didn't mean to upset the hardcore undertalers, I'm just not that well read up on Chara's backstory. There, I changed it.
@@toomuchtime4896 tru
@•William Afton• it's also a song
Undyne: **Transforming into The Undying**
Meanwhile at Alphys's lab:
Alphys: Geez she has a HOT transformation
Undyne was literally sliced in half...
transforms into the undying
dies
Ah yes dust is hot
I don't think alphys was watching this fight
I'm gonna get r/wooshed
Won't I?
@@MaanBlue r/woooosh
Human: Kills Undyne
Undyne: *pulls out an uno reverse card* no u
xD
Couldn't be more true
Holy shit i didn't think of it that way
I KILLED HER-
oooooooooof
okay i did the he he
1:36 i freaking love this moment.
Don't we all?
@@Ineophilewe love all of them
0:19 is my favourite
*UNDYNE THE UNDYING*
The boss that ended genocide for most people
Fandom Universe like me because of feelings
i gave up on sans oof
I gave up on sans😭
Where is your determination ?!!
me
the way she screamed: "ALPHYS, I-" in the end sounded like she was going to tell her that she loved her. but then she couldn't. and aplhys was probably crying, alone, seeing her loved one die from the screens.
Sadly, because of that, Alphys went to her True Lab to commit suicide (information from wiki, but I'm not sure is it true or not)
@@JustDhav Wonder what happened to the poor Amalagamates
@@theworthysoul Poor guys...
@@JustDhav that only happens in a neutral route if you kill mettaton or undyne from my knowledge (does not count with mettaton neo as then you just get her telling you she shouldve killed you when you had the chance)
After Alphys upgrades your phone and you can get messages from her, she tells that she forgot to watch Undyne fight the human.
I think this only works in pacifist/normal
This is the most badass, heroic, “I won’t let you pass, even if it kills me” boss battle music of all fucking time.
69 Likes
It was at 421 likes, I had to dislike im sorry
@@mbm_botw disliking doesn't exist, nor does it subtract likes
sadly your efforts are in vain :(
@@QUBIQUBED I think it did a long time ago, but don't quote me on that.
verdun
Toby and Zun, greatest collab between two greatest composers !!! What a dream come true
The wind is howling...
+White Heart When I watched my friend play this and that text showed up I said "Her ass is howling."
+White Heart
DING.
DING.
DING.
DING.
DING.
People are hating Jerry, and Jerry is hating Ross..
I made this my ringtone
everytime that came up on the dialogue box I would say
"You know what else is howling? My Determination to beat you!"
I was trying to hype myself up and it still took SO. MANY. TRIES. to beat her
**when you go fishing but the fish is determined*
When you go fishing but the fish is humaning
*The fish throws epic looking energy spears at you and turns you green
It Should be called Fish the Unfishing
In soviet Russia, fish fishes you!
*The bass is too long. You feel like you've broken some unspoken law by catching it.
That's what you get for becoming a monster.
monster?
more like beast or devil
+Vivian James The demon that comes when people call its name. Doesnt matter when. Doesnt matter where. Time after time, I will appear. And with your help, we will eradicate the enemy and become strong.
+Vivian James It doesn't matter what you call it. It has many names, and takes many shapes. But in the end, it's always the same. A cruel being with a lust for blood.
To call Chara a monster is insulting to the inhabitants of the underground
+Tokarief Touhou music?
Why all the bangers gotta be in the genocide route 😭
W handle
Finale, Hopes and Dreams, SAVE the World, Death By Glamour: 👁👄👁
@@phyllistaylor3087 Also ASGORE and Undyne's regular theme.
There's only two genocide specific songs this and megalovania. Both of which are amazing songs.
@@ericphillips8268spear of justice is okay but it's not nearly as good as battle against a true hero.
Undyne sacrificed herself for Monster Kid
Truly heroic
yeetenheimer
The true hero of the underground
@@vagnersobolev552 everone is...
Very e🅱️ic
why monster kid tho reee
The whole Undyne scene completely shifts the philosophy of the game. Your choices don’t matter anymore. You aren’t the hero, you’re the villain. The choices of Undyne now matter more than you.
You won, but your no longer human, you might as well be a beast.
By killing all the monsters...
You yourself have become one.
@@SqwimpyTF That would be an insult to the monsters.
You're not monster alright, you're a *demon*
@@InitiateDee *undertale community at its finest*
@@InitiateDee By that logic Asgore insults himself at the end of the Genocide Route.
Well no, being a mass murderer is a very human trait.
This is not the boss theme for you fighting Undyne. This is the boss theme for Undyne fighting you.
So you are saying that Genocide Frisk is A HERO?!
Pretty much the two (mayor) Genocide song paralel the player and the monster being fought.
In Battle against a True the song wants to sounds heroic even happy at some times but always colliding with the (minor third)
With sans
Megalovania
Its welp megalomania
You are doing all of this just for power? Curiosity?
So the floor is made of ceiling
OR the ceiling is made of floor
@@eliseudias4232 megalovania is your theme so no
Undyne, the true protagonist.
She had plot armor until she didn't.
Undyne was the only character in Undertale other than Frisk with the ability to refuse death thanks to her determination AND the only monster to have determination without Alphy's experiments. She's geniunly an amazing character and deserved so much more attention along with Asgore. Yeah, I'm complaining about the fandom fixation on Sans when it was alive.
I wonder what would've happened if sans brought undyne to fight with him in the last corridor. That be hard as hell.
The silly nice guy Sans is during any run besides genocide is charming. The cherry on the pie, however, is the fact that even though you kill his beloved brother, he's willing to allow you to continue your with journey hoping for you to push reset and make the right choice next time, unless you become a threat who not even the true hero who surpased King Asgore could stop since he knows what you'd become if you cross that line. My favorite character is Undyne, by far, but I can't deny how well written is Sans.
@@Tomoe0709 I'm not saying Sans isn't amazing, it's just that he's so popular the other characters were left forgotten.
Well, the fact we're both here means there's more than a single soul who apprrciates other great characters, so cheer up, buddy
@@Tomoe0709 c:
When you realize 50% of the songs are speeded or slowed versions of the ruins
knowing how to make good video game music is a blessing
@@rique_com_que Tbh I don't know why Undyne would have Ruins leitmotif, besides training with Asgore who, well, lived in there long time ago.
@@mithril5155 Personally, I think the ruins leitmotif represents the hope of the monsters leaving the underground. Waterfall has this leitmotif, showing that their hopes of leaving have slowly faded. Undyne has this leitmotif in Spear of Justice, showing she is hellbent on getting your soul to save everyone. The ruins leitmotif in An Ending shows that the hope is basically gone with all of the human souls destroyed.
@@mithril5155 as somebody said, waterfall has this motif so maybe that's why
When you realize that 45% of songs are remixed "once upon a time"
She protecc
She attacc
But most importantly,
She want her house bacc
nice one
Remember she burnt it down trying to cook spaghetti.
Hehey nice one
This is... good
That deserves my like m8
Ost 80: you're saving the world from a godly monster.
Ost 89: you're saving your friends from a seemingly unkillable god but turns out he's just your another friend with emotional breakdown.
Ost 98: a very strong fish lady is saving the world from you.
Ost 100: funi skeleton man fight
😂
100: dudu du du du du duu da dudu
@@the_real_kel doo du doo da doo doo doo
Ost 99: TV star becomes “powerful” to “save the world”
Went from making Touhou-inspired music to collabing with the man himself. Toby's just a fucking god.
No. Heathen
@@Andrew-ch3xj??? Idk what you mean by this, but stay mad I guess
@@Andrew-ch3xj?????
As well as putting Sans in an official Nintendo game from making an Earthbound rom hack
Toby is a man, not a deity
genocide mode: you are not the hero anymore.
The Heroine appears!
+Norrec87 i tried to do genocide run. she stopped me over and over. hate this battle. raged quitted. now im playing pacifist again
+Kevin dM You would have had a bad time at the final boss then.
+Grey the Monochrome A very bad time indeed
+Kevin dM That's the good end to the genocide run, really.
This song…just the name give me chills.
*You are not the hero anymore.*
Are just a protag
That feeling when you shit around with Undyne the Undying for an hour, only to realise what you have done...
Yea i no longer give a crap, im tired let me go to bed
You're just the plot armor guy, because youre the protagonist.
Well frisk is more of an protagonist more than a hero unless you're playing pacifist, in the genocide run you just kill everyone and in the neutral one you're killing to survive, in fact its partially your fault that omega flowey happened
You never were.
"I'm not a hero. But i know there's someone out there. Someone who'll never give up trying to do the right thing, no matter what. There's no prophecy or legend 'bout anyone like that. It's just something i know is true. That someone like that will strake you down."
-Gerson
Underrated
This is why i fucking love Gerson
Oogway 2.0 lmao
WHAT MOVIE IS THIS FROM!??!!? I NEED TO WATCH THIS
@@avatoraaengthelostairbende6682 what movie is this from fellow Avatar fan
@@QUBIQUBED it's not a film actually it's a Indie Game Made By The Legend Himself Toby Fox.
I kid you not the game is amazing.
1:55 the drop is sick
Les zunpets
Me: I FINALLY BEAT UNDYNE!!!
Also me: Oh wait...... I finally beat Undyne.....
SANS:Hi
Sans: Hello there
@DogeForever the only reason sans might be harder is because of the poison damage and how fast he can drain your health albeit only doing one damage and so much is going on so u will take a bunch of damage and no inv frames like undyne
@@kurl9429 sans does 1 damage per frame. PER GOD DAMN FRAME a single second has 60 frames (i am not sure lol) sans can drain 60 hp from you in one second if you remove the karma effect (the poison thing) sans will be the easiest boss
Not undyne the undying :)
Undyne is literally the strongest character in genocide! Don't believe me? She took more than one hit to die
General kenobi .
And she has 99 attack 99 defense
She's technically the only boss to die in more than one hit, everyone else died in one
@@juniorhpp well yea but you get used to them at some point. The thing about Undyne is you have to focus on eating items for health, but also fighting her at the same time to get her health lower, which takes way more time
@@emsiyes napsta
I'll never forget how relieved and happy I felt when I finally killed Undyne, I was estatic and proud of myself for finally finishing a fight that had taken me long hours... and then it hit me- Undyne was actually one of my favorite characters, and I felt awful that I felt happy I killed her in the first place! This game is so good at making you care for the characters and giving you a whiplash of emotions during genocide. I definitely felt guilty and I thought it was amazing how a game could make me feel such real emotions
Yeah same here, I beat Undyne the Undying yesterday… man was I happy… but it hit me hard…
And then Sans happened
UNDYNE TOOK ME A MONTH!
@@ChaoticKris964 you still trying to beat sans now?
SAME
This track straight up tells you "you're the villian of this story"
And for the first time a monster gets DETERMINATION
+1337rox she most likely got some iner body witha syringe from someone esle.. like.. if u rly have to fight as a heroine.. use this power ...as your last afford or something like that.
+Link3000XD As far as I know, based on what she said, her Determination came from within, as she seemed genuinely surprised that she didn't die when you sliced her in half.
Leafia Barrett but Monster dont have normally Determination except they get it somehow infused
The implication is that her soul was strong enough to generate its own determination.
Leafia Barrett
well i stay at my theory with the scientist ...since they are in a relationship.. and since the scientist(forgot her name) also SPOILER
put determination in a regular ''flower'' from a field and in other mobs .. she maybe put some in undyne... but maybe just a rly little bit.. for emergency times. after all.. she has a monster soul,she is not a human and cant have therefore determination.
Monster Kid: Were you killed??
Undyne: Sadly, yes...
BUT I LIVED!
I would like, but u have 69 already.
Tis but a scratch
Your pfp haunts my dreams
It’s but a flesh wound
I lived bitch
“Die a hero, or live to see yourself become the villain.”
That’s about the best quote on earth to describe the complexity of this beautiful game.
die a hero, live to see yourself becoming the villain, or die a hero then refuse to die and win
Yeah that's not fitting
@@chrysokitrino5639 no i think it is, you have a chance to just stay on the pacifist route, not ripping the good ending away, instead you reset and betray every single character killing them all, thus being a villain
@@lukitommele3798 yeah, I didn't. Did you?
@@chrysokitrino5639 like uhh most players is what i meant, might have not conveyed that properly
What a fever dream, now ZUN's now ganna remix this with his own style.
Me: this can’t be much harder than the pacifist fight
*undyne murders me in 30 seconds*
Me: nevermind
Undyne: hold my mangas
Actually yes it's harder, *mentally*
Me: sans?, nevermind he only is 1 attack 1 defense
Sans: BRINGS A BAD TIME*
Me no, i can defeat Undyne the undying easily, because i am an expert on Green soul
@@Hithalo me too xdxe
This isn't the song that plays when you fight Undyne.... This is the song that plays when Undyne fights you.
we Soviet Russia now
+Geometry Dash Jake That gave me goosebumps
DAM
+Geometry Dash Jake Actually, "your" battle theme is Megalovania. Because Sans' battle theme is "Song that might play when you fight Sans", but it's not used anywhere in the game, cause you don't fight Sans, but Sans fights you.
+MrSushimaniac You mean because your character is the one who wants to fight Sans, and not the other way around?
I love 1:35 because at the right pace you will get to the spinning arrow attack and a new set of arrows will spawn every 3 beats in the song and it is synced very well.
worst attack imo
@@jevils_ agree, those are fucking nightmares
@@jevils_ i hate the 6 spear attack more (the 6 spear pointing at you that gets faster in pace and also freakishly long)
@@minhlenq312 that one’s easy, you just have to move in a circle
@@jevils_ i died of that more than the spinning one (0)
This played inside my head during a final exam. Gave me all of the determination I needed.
how did u do
@@Notandywasheremayonnaise on an escalator
*The fiend appears.
Exam the Executioner
ATK: Questions
DEF: Questions
Unless you didn't study, you can't pass the exam.
To all those who were wondering, I passed! 😄
This is probably one of the most tragic songs. Other routes are about her facing reality that she'll not be the hero she wanted to be. Whereas this one she does become it and it's the worst case scenario.
This comment is severely underrated
Damn i got butt fucked by undying lol on genocide.i did genocide first playthrough
The genocide route brings the worst in you, and the best in the main characters.
Toriel-Dies while keeping you in the Ruins
Papyrus-Instead of hunting you he tries to find the good in you, dies doing it
Undyne-Connects with the world on a magical level and harnesses the power to defeat/give some time to evacuate hotland.
Alphys-Despite her past wrongdoings, she stands up for what is right and creates a war robot as well as an elaborate evacuation plan (we never find where they're hiding)
Mettaton-No longer a narcissistic party robot, now a killing machine, determined to stop you...
uh, he didn't really last as long as undyne, did he?
Sans-Stops being lazy because even though you can reset as long as you want, he fights you because its the only way to stop you from getting LV20. Which would give you infinite power.
@@QUBIQUBED I do not þink Alphys actually evacuated ðe monsters. Undyne mentions ðat Alphys evacuated ðe King, but Asgore is still in his palace, and ðe enemies in Hotland are still ðere.
I do not þink Alphys had time to evacuate everyone, or even where to evacuate everyone. Ðe True lab has ðe Amalgamates which would be too stressful for her. And seeing what she does in ðe Neutral routes, I am pretty sure Alphys commited Suicide. Leaving ðe Monsters to fend for ðemselves, and also since Sans and Chara comment on ðere being absolutely noþing left at all. Ðe Monsters where most likely killed by someþing or had no supplies to hide forever.
@@churro1201 I literally cannot understand what your comment is saying
Undyne is the hero of her own story. A heroine reforged by determination to save the earth! And this is her final boss. Her final battle. Struck down by you. You're not a monster. To call you such a thing would be disrespectful to them. What you are, is an evil, demented wretch of a being with no regard for life. and you're going to have a BAD TIME.
I would give you and thumbs up if I wasn't in mobile.
Wowie that is awesome!
+Sai Hitaku (Seraphicus) This has been sticking with me since I first read it...ouch...my heart can't take this... This is why I won't ever do a genocide run.
+DecepticonPointblank I think this game's metaphor is that most RPGs(or most games for that matter) are usually genocide runs in a sense, as you go around killing countless "monsters" and "evil beings", mostly just to get stronger and "level up"...
I think undertale may have ruined video games for me...
+Myne33 honestly I think this game will support world peace
[Do you love this song?]
❤Heck yeah Heck yeah
A. HECK YEAH B. HECK YEAH
❤
C. HECK YEAH D. HECK YEAH
thats music
Jessey Thompson heck no
Fawnelle would you smooch a gh[ost]
💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
i still cant believe this is going to be covered by the legendary Zun soon
Man, the name of the track is what gets me the most. "Battle Against a True Hero." It's almost as if the game is singling you out for what you've done. Chances are, you've done a True Pacifist run beforehand, and are now completing a Genocide run out of curiosity. All the monsters in the Underground thought that you were a hero, helping them with their problems, taking the time to understand them, and ultimately liberating them from their prison and allowing them to live out their dreams. But you're no hero, are you? You're a dirty brother killer. You're a filthy murderer. You're a person who is willing to commit genocide out of morbid curiosity. You're not a true hero. You see that warrior, standing up to an unstoppable force who *will* win no matter what? Who took a blow for an innocent kid trying to do the right thing, and through sheer willpower and love for her friends, was able to rise from her own ashes? *That's* what a true hero looks like. And you deserve all the Game Overs she gives to you for what you've done.
+Xiao Andy I.. regret.. NOTHING!
+Xiao Andy heh. Don't forget: You'll Have A Bad Time if you do the genocide route ;)
well she is much easier than the crap u talkin about eyyyyyyylmao
+Xiao Andy My name is Undyne Martell, and before you die, I will hear you confess!
Say it, say their names! You deceived them, you murdered them, you killed their children!
+Xiao Andy well....i think that's the deepest thing ive ever read
I love it when you're fighting off her attacks and the blocks line up with the music.
Makes you feel badass, even if you're being an ass.
+Editorial Kinda like dance dance revolution
+Editorial A badass ass.
+Editorial An ass having a bad time
Bad ass's ass with a side of ass
That never happened to me. When I would try it, I messed up and got hit by arrows.
So this is what they mean when they say that Toby took inspiration from Touhou...
*THE FREAKING TRUMPETS!*
It reminded me so much of Shoot the Bullet.
That and the bullet hell soul mechanic.
Trumpets are so underrated in video game music. I especially love the trumpets in games like Smash Ultimate. Listen to the Gangplank Galleon remake, jeez!
@@grammajam3682 Then you would like Pokemon ORAS Soundtrack, since most of the soundtracks have trumpets
IT"S NOT TRUMPETS
THEY'RE CALLED _*ZUN*PETS_
ダンマクカグラから来た人いる？
誰が予想できるんだよこの究極のクロスオーバー...
Yes!
We have come full circle, I can't wait for the remix
俺だぁ！
いやー楽しみ過ぎますわ！
ノ
マジで楽しみすぎて夜しか眠れない！
english pls. No offence. I know I can translate using the translation button written in all bold and all that but having to lift my finger the tiniest atom is just so inconvenient, GOD HELP ME!!!!!!!!
The heroine appears.
+Ruby-Lou That's the moment when you get the chills and go "Oh god. I'm the bad guy this time. What am I doing on this ruuuuuuuun-(gets massacred by a million spears)"
+Ruby-Lou The ZUNpets appear.
I love me some heroine.
+Aegix Drakan still nowhere near as bad as the sans fight! GHASTERBLASTERS EVERYWHERE!!!!
Undyne will be so proud of me!!! NYEH HEH HEH!!!
Fun Fact:
Even if Undyne the Undying would have managed to kill you, she still would have died.
Monsters are not able to handle Determination and since Undyne had this much amount of it, it made her stronger, but the effect wouldn‘t last long and the after effects would melt her like she did in the Neutral run. As the True Lab showed us, Monsters turn into Amalgamates due to a little bit of determination. In Genocide or Neutral, there never is a Happy ending for her off screen.
At that point in the game, killing the player would have been the only thing Undyne wanted, even if it meant herself dying with the player
@@danny_boi3537 Exactly
well, in a bad neutral ending at least. alternate pacifist is also technically a neutral run too. but yes.
@@bredoffender In neutral you kill Undyne
@@Archangel_3 that misses the point. You can spare Undyne in neutral. Neutral doesn't mean "you kill everyone you meet but not everyone in every area" but it just means that it's not true Pacifist nor genocide. Neutral is a very diverse route. You can spare half the people and kill the other half however you like, do alternate pacifist where you don't kill anyone but don't go to true lab either, or near-genocide where you leave like one froggit alive and kill every other being in the game. Neutral doesn't mean you kill Undyne, neutral means you CAN kill Undyne.
The slowed down part makes me visualize everything Undyne has experienced in life.
Asgore finding her. Her meeting Papyrus for the first time. Meeting Alphys for the first time. Joining the Royal Guard and eventually becoming its leader.
Then when it ramps up she goes all out. It's so sad.
has?
When she generated her own determination during that fight, regardless of weather she killed you or not she was gonna melt and die.
I always thought about what would have after she killed Chara
any song that involves Undyne and SAVE the world are my favorite because they have meaning to them
+Geneycea Brooks me too.
this and ASGORE are the most underrated tracks in undertale when it comes to battle tracks imo
If you’re tralking about any track, Another Medium is objectively the most underrated soundtrack
When I realize the abbreviation for this song is B.A.T.H.
The Void Lords bath=water water=fish fish=Undyne!
Minds blows everwere
Humor of the acronym gets even more serious & suprising.....
THU BAFFFFF
*wosh u soul*
I absolutely love the fact that in genocide Undyne is a true hero,protecting the world from a murderer who destroyed every monster they met up until her,and she sacrifices herself for every monster and human. She knows if Frisk gets out of the underground,they will continue their destruction in the outer world. She knows she is going to die but she fights anyway.
And then in neutral and pacifist she burns her house down while cooking spagetti
fucking. legend.
The contrast
Somehow, Undyne can be both the most intimidating and sad character and the funniest character
Now that's good character writing
@@EEE.654 that’s why she’s amazing
i thought that, canonically, if you were genocide, you were Chara instead?
I love the titles "Battle Against a True Hero" and "Spear of Justice"
on the one hand, hearing BAATH on a genocide run conveys the message to YOU that you are battling the hero, and YOU are the villain in this story
but on the other hand, in a pacifist route, the only song you'll hear is "Spear of Justice", which does not paint Undyne as the hero, but rather as a simple warrior trying to avenge her species, hence her spear of "justice"
undyne's actions in a pacifist route may be justified
but undyne's actions in a genocide route are heroic
why did i read that as "hearing bath on a genocide route"
@@ivyiesplace i hate when that happens
Necessary
Honestly Spear of Justice is goofy.
@@ivyiesplace when I commit genocide and I hear running water
Seven years later and this still goes hard
Battle Against a True Fish
asriel, tend the flower first!
* You eat the Asriel
yum
sounds like a rap base
Asriel, what are you doing on the Internet?
Ragnar Ahlman
I'm just a "normal" person using Asriel name
1:36
after these years I still have a goosebumps at this part
1:36 song good😊
FELLOW JIGGLYPUFF ENJOYER
Smae
same omg
the last dual.
Frisk: *beats normal undyne*
Undyne: Call an ambulance!
But not for me
*wields a SUPAH MAGA TRIDENT*
@@LeFrancht75 wields a zero damage trident
Nice pfp dude
why would he call an ambulance the point is he is trying to kill him
@@LeFrancht75 spear not trident
Seeing people suddenly talk about Touhou in this comment section fills you with... Confusion???
Jokes aside, Im hyped for Zun's rendition of Battle against a true hero, im sure it will be an absolute BANGER!
finally a version with authentic ZUN trumpets
It took me 6 years to realize this has Zunpet in it.
I read your comment just as it hit, and it was epic
zunpet?
@OofTheUsername the creator of touhou, ZUN, uses an instrument that is a trumpet that sounds different, for a lot of the songs in touhou. Thus it is called a zunpet
1:45 at the switch changes to the zunpet
@@2hufan12 thanks!
@@2hufan12 wait do you mean 1:55?
Even after 7 years, this game still remains in our hearts, in our soul.
Stay determined!
P.S. Even after 8 years, of course
P.P.S. Even after 9 years, true hero.
such a brilliant sound track. this game found me at the right time in my life
Yeaaa
But you really have to quit being determined in this route.
Bro it's alastor from HH
@@sarahreid1848 no
Somehow, I can still hear the sounds of Undyne throwing her spears when listening to this
Also the dinging noise when you block a spear.
is that like a ptsd moment
we all do.
Fush fush fush
And the damage sound
1:36 i just absolutely love this part, the piano here is so calm and the little jingles in the background sound awesome too
Funni fact: the jingles represent payrus as he lives in snow town
@@neclagungor2961 OOOH, dude that makes so much sense, thanks :)
At this point, you finally understand two things:
-You are the villain of the history
-You are against a true hero...
Also,
-I edited the files so that I take no damage
I kinda could tell when I killed everyone but sure
@@Deadass271 i edited the files so i have real knife and the locket
And then people blame on Chara, she was manipulated by your actions. In reality Chara was a good person, but you made her go insane
Villian
1:35
This part just hits you with the feels so crazy hard
same with 0:44
Touhou?
I hate when this part of the song plays in battle, the circle spears are too hard to dodge
@@jevils_ yeah they are a pain but i love how 99% the specific parts off the music play at the same attacks
That part is when the song changes to make upu realise you are the villain, not the hero
I just realized that the title of the song is a reference to Earthbound.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about, basically, most of the Battle Themes’s Titles in the Earthbound OST usually follow the “Battle Against a ” format. For example, the battle theme for enemies in early parts of the game is called “Battle Against a Weak Opponent”, and the battle theme for most enemies later on is “Battle Against a Weird Opponent”.
It’s also the perfect title for this song
oh also undertale's menu matches the earthbound (mother 2) menu, and deltarune's matches the mother 3 menu
Battle against the Masked Man
What a suiting song.
Last line of defense attacking a human- no, an anomaly head-on, with fear being suppressed for the sake of not just monsterkind, but humanity as well. In her normal fight, she's bouncing around, talking smack, constantly trying to make the human give her a reason to kill them. But this? She's silent, unwavering. She has every right and reason to kill it, and she's not letting fear get in the way of that. Deep inside, she's terrified, but she won't show it.
1:55 That ZUNpet is so lovely
Beatiful references
TouHou
The track number is also a reference (pc 98)
@Bruno 79 There is. A LOT OF EM.
My brother played through and got the true ending. I told him not to do a genocide run, but he went and did it anyway. Was horrified he killed Toriel in a single hit and how her dialogue changed, along with the save zones changing. What he didn't expect was this and how brutal she is. Well, he'll get good at blocking, or he'll need to go get some better healing items.
After all, The Hero has appeared to defeat the villain, because the good guys always win... Right?
just watch his ass fight sans
That Guy Who Is Much Smarter Than You Oh, he had to reset and NOT eat all the snowman pieces as soon as he got them. He also fought "higher value targets" instead of whimsum and froggits. So he fought her at level 11 and beat her. Then he got to Sans.
He didn't see anything about how he fought and he got MASSACRED on the first opening gambit at least twice. about 20 tries later, he finally got to the part where Sans offers Mercy. Because I warned him about the permanent file messup if you finish genocide, he decided to accept Sans Mercy.
He was stunned, then laughed and considered it his "ending" of that run before doing pure pacifist again.
***** BTW killing sans doesn't finish genocide, asgore does
That Guy Who Is Much Smarter Than You Reaching asgore results in you being locked into the final sequence and chara holding your game hostage until you agree to screw it over for all time (unless you can wipe even the steam cloud save). He decided to not kill sans and instead let the "mercy kill" be how his genocide run ended.
***** yeah I couldn't handle genocide. I used a save file editor to get to the undyne and sans battles and I beat them and gave up
Oh my god, you have no idea how much respect I gained for undyne when I saw her become undyne the undying. Undyne is willing to sacrifice herself to save the life on an innocent. That's already pretty brave and amazing. But then she literally rises from her own ashes and becomes something bigger to, not only protect the innocent, but to stop something that she knows has the power to end everything in an instant. Almost no one in the game asides sans and undyne choose to stand up to something as evil as this. These two characters are the protagonists. Undyne is extremely respectable as she's the first person to say "Ya know what? I'm not going to sit and watch everyone die at my hands." Undyne is willing to stand up to the face of evil. She can come back from death to protect what she believes in. Now THAT is what I call a hero. Sans is respectable in the sense he literally knows he can't beat you. But. He's built up so much hatred for you. You killed everyone he ever cared about. He's a man with nothing left to lose. And he takes a stand, like undyne before him. And papyrus also tries to stop this radical genocide, he just handled it in a way he thinks will give the best outcome for everyone; taming you. GOD I love these three characters they are so awesome
One problem is that protagonists doesn't mean hero many people mix those 2 things up but the protagonist is just the leading/main character of a story
And mettaton neo
3?
And the songs make you feel a sense of terror that perhaps you're the bad guy here
don’t forget mah boi mettaton
After 7 years of this game being released and having listened to it several hundred times, I realized that at minute 1:36 chimes begin to ring, which are associated with the snow, do you know who lived in the snow? Papyrus, who at this point in the genocidal game should already be dead thanks to you, Undyne reminds you of what you took from him and that's why later the song comes back stronger, as if Undyne was furious when she remembered it.
This made me cry
Just remember, this is the theme of a fish that loves anime and dinosaurs, as well as having burned her house down trying to cook spaghetti.
Alphys loves anime undyne doesn't
@@666-v1h I’m going to take you on a trip down memory lane. Remember the date that you have with Alphys on True Pacifist? Well, after Alphys runs off with Papyrus to exercise, Undyne confronts our human with a question. “Is anime real?” She says this with a desperate look in her eye, as she continues to bombard the player with worry over whether or not it’s real. Someone that didn’t like anime wouldn’t even have a second thought that a cartoon was real. But Undyne likes anime so much that the believes that it’s real.
Next time, do your research before attempting to contradict a random stranger on the internet.
@@societyman7526 Undyne then says that anime isn't real
@@societyman7526 And that's not a solid proof that she likes anime
@@societyman7526 And she even says that Anime is "Nerdy crap".
Fun fact: In Polish the same word - bohater - is used for "protagonist" and "hero". Think about the possibilities.
"You might be a bohater of this story...
But you'll never be a true bohater"
Yes
Indeed
A to dobre
@@Emerald_Shell prawda
Polska jest wszędzie
here again after listening to the amazing ZUN x Toby collab song 🤌🤌🤌
1:55 Undyne's spellcards were the hardest in the entire game...
Ah yes
finally another touhou
@@funnygiggle229 no
@@DustFellSans2 it's literally the same sound file as Touhou what are you on about?
@@DustFellSans2 yes
Unexpected TouHou
That's the most touhou-ish Toby Fox's music has ever been...
agreed, never actually played TouHou but Battle against a true hero has some energy in it like TouHou songs :D
ZUNPETS
Hear 1:55, I think you'll get it.
ZUNPETS!!!!!!!!!!
Ok so for those of you who have encountered comments referring to smth called a ZUNpet:
Basically, at around 1:54, the trumpet that kicks in is the same trumpet sample commonly used in the music for the bullet hell series Touhou. This series is soley made by a man who goes by the name ZUN. Trumpets (nicknamed ZUNpets by fans) are a staple of Touhou music and always manage to stand out and sound unique in many tracks. This is a purposeful reference made by Toby, as he is a huge Touhou fan (especially with the music).
As one person once said in reference to Touhou music: "It's so weird. Here, this trumpet works so well. But if it were used anywhere else, it'd make me want to rip my ears out..." (
Interestingly enough, I believe ZUN called this track his favourite out of the Undertale OST.
Bro made a whole documentary about one song 💀
thank you ena
@@Music_Finderr okay saud
Ty for the explanation 🙏
You messed up.
*Now you need to face a true hero.*
Coronavirus: *infects queen elizabeth*
queen elizabeth refusing to die: 0:00
Queen Elizabeth the Undying
That's dark bro...
@@DrewishComingforYou nice X 9
*but the queen refused to die*
@@DrewishComingforYou 1:55 i refuse... To let the meme... DIE!!!