SERRAL vs HERO: $42,000 Grand Finals! | Masters Coliseum 7 (Bo9 ZvP) - StarCraft 2
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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SPOILER SHIELD: Will Parting overtake herO as the top Korean Protoss soon? Or will herO hold onto thee #1 KR Protoss title?
Let’s go parting! Need another high level Toss who isn’t quite as unhinged as Hero lol. Hero will always be my fav toss tho…
I think so. I ❤PartinG's play style.
Harstem is the true goat 🎉
@@skellskell3772 Mana!
PartinG will focus on Stormgate i think
The caster knowledge is fantastic
What Serral does is called the snowball effect. You convert your small advantages into much larger ones over time. You can opt for upgrades or more workers by gaining favorable trades. We refer to this as suffocating our opponent in chess. It is very difficult to do because it requires almost flawless technique and a great understanding of the game, but one big blunder and all of your advantage is lost and perhaps even the game.
So he's patient and he's better, thats what you are saying.
@erikm9768 I wouldn't necessarily call it patience. He isn't waiting because every minute in an rts is massive. Precise is a more accurate description. The simplest way I can explain it is having a material advantage in chess and just trading pieces into an endgame. You don't need to aim for checkmate or tactics because you already have a better offensive/defensive capability. However, if you drop a piece in that 30 to 50 moves, the game is equal or lost. It can be a very brutal experience. Explains why serral is never satisfied with his performance.
Re-watched this match just to see how a different caster covered game 3. Sweet baby Jesus in a handbasket that was some powerful voodoo in effect to cause a throw that big.
Some rough decision making. In hindsight the only conclusion I can come to is herO just assumed their was a 3rd base up way earlier then there was, and really didn't realise how far ahead he was. I think the nydus's got his blood pressure WAY up and he wasn't able to play calm after the earlygame
I see Im not the only one here doing that. I watched it on Harstems cast and wanted to see how Pig casted it.
@@PiGCastsone thing about the Third game was seralls last nydus. It wasent a try to bust hero but to drag heros air units home, which worked beutifuly
Serral was 10-0 in playoffs before this final 😳
I think he must just simulate games in his head at 10x actual gamespeed to be this good. Add a bit of sauna can't hurt either
Zerg is also OP
@@mattfarley4996 I see only with serral solar dark and reynor are OP at zerg. The rest of zerg player cannot be play in this level and in pub rank game, protoss is very op in this time that you can see when hero play againt reynor at final LB 😅
@@mattfarley4996lol no. Hero smashed the other zergs, and got wrecked my Serral. Even against Reynor, herO should have won most of the games that he lost. He blundered a lot from from a winning positions. Whereas Serral was just better.
@@space_orphan Exactly. Against Reynor, it should have been 3:1.
Against Serral, he threw only one game, the other wins of Serral were not disputed.
And if Maru didn't play this strange in game 5 against Dark, he would have had way better chances to advance too.
Remember, after 4 games it was 2:2 - Dark won two games with roaches. And Maru won both games that went nito late game (easily).
So in 5th game, all Maru had to do was go for late game. And Dark obviously had to avoid late game.
And what build order does Maru choose? The one that is good if the ENEMY is going for late game. A build order, that falls apart if the enemy goes roaches. The one strategy, that netted Dark all the wins.
And BIG SURPRISE - Dark went raoches. Of cousre he went. And won the game.
Choosing a strategy that would loose to roaches was insanity from Maru.
To blaim losses like that on "balance" is crazy. Maybe Terran and Toss should stop throwing games and using insane strategies that are close to forfeiting a game before it even starts.
They lack consistency.
It has nothing to do with balance.
if anything, Terran is too strong in TvZ.
But sure, if the Terrans throw their games before they reach late game, well, yeah, then they loose.
I am so tired of YT and Reddit who ONLY look at results and decide: The winner has to be imba.
Never care about the skill of the players , never care about how the games were played...
To me is looking like if ANY other than Serral wins IEM this time, is going to be a big upset
I see Clem as a reasonable bet... but yeah. Serral looks fucking monstrous lately. Since his loss to Solar in early October, Serral has an over 92% match win rate, continuing his 91% win rate from 2023. This is absolutely ridiculous.
Serral;s only problem is similar to Clem which is the unpredictability of mirror match up, when it comes to ZvT and ZvP he's a God & the Goat
@@jameslog3431 Lately Serral looked very strong in ZvZ.
He destroyed Solar in 2 series in a row, he defeated Reynor decisevly.
However, IEM has a lot of good players. And even if you are the favorite in every single game, overall there is a good chance you loose one series.
Sure, Serral is by far the player who has the highest probability to win of all players.
But if you have to play 4 series and if you are the favorite who wins with 75% every series, you only have a 32% chance to win all 4 series!
Man you were sooo right !
1:38:10
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
scuttled the chunder of roaches
“Forward, the Roach Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” the queen hissed.
Into the valley of Death
Shambled the roach chunder.
II
“Forward, the Roach Brigade!”
Was there a Xeno dismayed?
Not though the bug knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Scampered the chunder of roaches.
III
Stalkers to right of them,
Oracles to left of them,
Zealots in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with lazors and psi-blades,
Boldly they scuttled and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Skittered bold roaches…
Old man Serral still got it
Still got it? He's literally had it lol
"Still"? - Bro, he's smashing them left and right :)
Game 3 I'm not sure Serral won as much as Hero lost.
Normalement héros gagne à la 8e minute... Mais il a préféré attendre ..... Mauvaise idée surtout contre le God OFF WAR de StarCraft 2❤❤
I must like watching serral play because i watched rotti last night and now pig today lol
40:45
Hero had the win right there!!
And he walked away... What??? 😅
I'm so confused....
Pig was very confused why HerO whiffed so hard in game 3, playing so excessively passive that Serral had time to catch up from his failed all-in. I suggest the explanation that he was quite simply too nervous to think clearly after getting steamrolled so hard in the first 2 games, and also just going up against a guy that many consider the GOAT
Don't feel bad, mate. You are passionate. You are emotionally invested in the game and its champions. But moreover, you a Subject Matter Expert. Your depth of understanding, combined with the experiences, is the reason we all opt to to view your casts. Sometimes it's okay to call it how it is. Honesty is a rare bird. I'm sure Hero had his own rationalisation for his decision choices, but as an objective witness, you are right to question them!
Nice cast pig! Awsome 🙂
Pig! I had a dream about you, I was playing you in a game of sc2, it was a 1v1 and it was lan, my 1 year old son was there screaming his head off and you were there chilin giving me some tips on how to calm him down, meanwhile I'm there trying to read the in game menu trying to find which building is the gateway knowing that each second that goes by is another second to my demises, it was a extremely stressful dream. When I woke up I had a little talk with myself, saying "sleep time is for resting and to be away from stress"
GG! Amazing casting
01:04:00 - afaik this is called "Lowko maneuver"
Game 6 Hero attacked Serral almost nonstop using his Stalkers and few Oracles. However, Serral stood firm on his ground and counter attack hero by sending zerglings to destroy his economy, little by little until hero notice he's out of eco and serral finish him with ultralisk! Great tactics by Serral.
I think the problem is hero keeps attacking serral without any accomplished. While Serral's counterattack gave him a victory on eco.
Hero is an emotion-driven player. He let his emotion control his decioson, and aims for flashy plays rather than effectiveness, that's why he's overrrated.
To me serral is good because very consistent and makes less mistakes despite pressure
Heros still washed 😮💨... i hope he comes back one day, hero has the coolest play style
I'm glad for how game 3 started. After game 2 I was thinking that this is why I really don't enjoy Serral games as much. Sure he's damn good at the game, but he seems allergic to fun. If game 3 had been another standard opener I was going to tap. So thanks Serral! Game 3 was fun to watch.
I'm a native English speaker and had never heard the word "feint" before. I had, however, heard "feign" many times so I figured Pig must have meant that. I looked it up. It turns out both are valid words with very similar meanings. I wonder if "feint" is used more often in Australian and British English.
yeah feigning doesn't sound exactly like "fainting" so probably should use that more
Feint is actually more accurate here in my understanding. Feign is like an animal pretending to be dead. Feint usually involves movement.
Sorry guys! Hero had to poo a couple minutes into game 3 and I stepped in for him. My b!
Serral is in a period of grace.
Seems to me to have abandoned certain somewhat predictable mechanisms.
Among the rest I see new Protoss openings.
These in normal games seem to work well (Hero Mana)
Then comes Serral and end of the play....
1:02:30 i laughed too loudly to this one
Game three is the best game of serrals career. In the sense that by taking away the “serral is only mechanically good” with the Zerg being op argument (which i think the latter has some merit), and having him be on (somewhat) equal footing with hero, he strategically outplayed his opponent and came back to win in a lost position. I was a serral doubter before this, but now…how can you take anything way from the dude.
When Her O pulled that move with his stalkers to get the brood lords, and the bane/ zerglings roll in, punishing him for it... I doubted the validity of this game xD.
Wouldn't that have been something a pro would have known? Playing for years?
To serral, hero is just a nice, little kid. Serral completely cut Hero's balls, fixed him into a woman after 2 games. You can see hero in game 3 was kind of a coward.
218 O'Conner Underpass
Hero should get into baseball... with these throws he'd make a great pitcher
Why Protoss players don't use Disruptor to counter baneling?
Game 3 is great answer to those annoying sc2 players back in the day who used to say "if i had 350 apm i would be a god in starcraft." Desicion making and strategy are often more important than just being able to play fast!
Haha Serral is in the head of Hero. His been cripple multiple games psychologicaly. 😂
Damn.. Hero looks like the Cowboys in the playoffs. Hate to see it because I am a fan of both Hero... and the Cowboys...
I always wondered what "Feint Attack" meant from Pokemon. Thanks for the info! :D
No archon when corruptor is out? why all protoss player didn't realize need for archons versus zerg?
thx
Bailey Burgs
The guy is leading 2:0 and you are saying he has zero chance in the 3rd game, come on. We are talking about one of the best players ever.
You know who win when you know race are broken
Shyann Estates
Unstopable Serral
Serral is obviously best in the world but Zerg is so op lol. Remax ling rofl.
Always hatin on hero haha
I love all the knowledge and attention to detail but by your own admission the fixation on the mistakes is a little distracting sometimes.
Isaac Garden
Boyle Mount
Zerg won again I mean Serral
Game readability is very low in this game, units are very hard to differentiate or pin point, terrain is over detailed for a RTS. Upgrades should be listed permanently for caster view. Very weird that such a popular game has very obvious short comings still.
I think most high level players play with low graphics so it’s clearer to see.
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Nice.
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Kutch Run
Serial still looking too strong. Zergs needs a few more nerfs.
Protoss needs a buff more like.
Just because one player is way better than the others doesn't mean their race needs a nerf. It just means that one player is really good. Nobody else can do what Serral does. Not even close.
so after hero beat dark and reynor protoss didn't need nerfs either?
Yeah, we can't have the best player winning stuff, can we?
We need to nerf his race to a point that second rate players (compared to him) win.
But maybe you were sarcastic.
Serral is too strong so all other Zerg players have to suffer more nerfs. 🤣
How many nerfs have Zerg gotten since Serral arrived on the scene?
I don't think any will be enough until Serral never reaches any quarter finals to satisfy Serral haters.
Such a dissapointing performance from Hero. That GSL was an accident.
Such a braindead take lmao beats all the best zergs in this tournament including the gamers8 champ lol. Give a Korean a week to prep and it's a different ball game lmao.
Lolwut. Gsl is a Korean tournament. Hero was top Korean here. Doesn't that make him the best Korean? Shouldn't that mean he SHOULD be winning gsl? Your comment makes no sense.
If almost loosing 5-0 and I would say fearfully is not disappointing, I don't know what is. It felt like he was intimidated by Serral.
So pog
Serral is the best, but Zerg is insanely OP.
Wow... game 3... Hero sux
Regarding game 3.
soooo..How do we know this wasn't fixed? I mean those mistakes were was just uncreative and on par with Gold-League-Gaming. 20 Cannons after an obvious advantage? taking the exact(!) wrong decisions despite controlling the whole map? These decisions weren't like taking the wrong turn but stopping on the street, climbing on the cars roof and putting ones underwear over the head, shouting: I'm going all in now!".
This kind of sudden, incomprehensible decisionmaking activates the same pattern alarm in my fake detector as in all the other fixed games.
I'm sorry to childishly escalate this way, but bither this or Hero has had sporadic micro-strokes.
Why would you fix a game that is in the middle of a Bo9 and you aren't even the favorite, so bets will usually be not in your favor?
no sane human being would fix a match as an underdog in the grand finals of a tournament lmao
I am DONE with Hero. FFS. GD. JC. MF. WTF?
Please please please please please turn off hp on every unit going forward. I beg of you please. Love watching your casts. Not watching green dots run around the map. Please please please
Nice balance P no chance
Hero smashed the other 3 best zergs in the world to get here. Serral is just the best player in the world, he's always gonna make his race seem OP
I am sick and tired of watch serral destroy everyone. There is no point watching serral games. It is painful. I hate him so much
He’s way better than the other players. More consistent as well. He seems to be the ultimate GOAT along with Maru, in this game. There’s no reason to hate any of them.
@@danielfigueredo6994 put in the same bag the best player and the OP race and you have Serrals dominance. Strangelly there are more nerfs to Terran and Protoss
@@alejandrobarrio8731last patch was literally just Zerg nerfs and Terran buffs. Cope
@@andrewduan5123 yes that's true. And it's better balanced now. At least there are some options for Toss to compete. But zergs are still the best race in PRO Leagues.
@@danielfigueredo6994
About this GOAT debate:
- There is a player who achieved the Triple Crown twice, which only 2 other players achieved.
- There is a player who has the highest win rate vs Korean players in 5 years out of 13 StarCraft2 years (2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023).
- There is a player who won the world championship twice (most wins among two others)
- There is a player who holds the longest winning streak against at least Top 100 players (47 consecutive wins)
- There is a player who holds the longest winning streak against top Koreans (19 consecutive wins; achieved 2 times)
- There is a player who achieved an over 90% match win rate in a year (2023) overall - which no one else ever achieved
- There is a player who achieved an over 73% (73,24%) game win rate in a year (2023) vs Koreans
- which no one else ever achieved (closest is Serral with 69,86% in 2018 and Maru’s 69,44% also in 2023).
- There is a player who achieved an over 85% (!!!!) match win rate in three years (2018, 2020, 2023) vs Koreans. The next best other player being Maru with 78% in 2023 and herO with 74% in 2017.
- There is a player who has by far the most Premier Tournaments wins with top Korean Participation (15) and overall (23)
- There is a player who has NO negative win rate vs ANY pro player since his first Premier Tournament win in 2015 which he played on a regular basis (at least 10 games) - which no one else ever achieved
Here are these player’s records against these top Koreans (wins:Korean player wins: draws):
vs Maru: 13:4:2
vs Dark: 8:5:1
vs GuMiho: 10:4:0
vs Solar: 16:7:1
vs Cure: 17:3:0
vs ByuN: 12:5:0
vs Classic: 8:2:0
vs Bunny: 9:2:0
vs stats: 9:4:0
vs soO: 8:4:0
vs Innovation: 16:8:0
vs Rogue: 8:7:0
vs Trap: 14:3:0
vs Zest: 10:5:0
That player has been so dominant since his rise to the top in 2018 in Seoul that he won more tournaments - with participation of the best Koreans in the world - in 6 years of playing StarCraft 2 than all players who have been present among the top players for much longer.
That player is Serral. I have no idea how anyone can deny that Serral is the GOAT of StarCraft 2. Not one player comes even close to such a dominance over such a long period of time while at the same time amassing more important trophies in less time than anyone else.
Serral's win rate vs his weakest matchup (Zerg) is higher than most pro's overall win rates.
To anyone arguing flash = SC2 GOAT: Flash never had win rates that even come close to Serral's and had lower win rates than Innovation at time. He also was only present in SC2 for around 2 years. He definitely is the SC GOAT though.
To anyone arguing Innovation/Maru: These two both failed to show up on the really big stages. Maru only ever got a 2nd place at Worlds with his 2023 defeat against Oliveira.. He didn’t do what sOs, ROgue or Serral did: Go to a big stage, where the best of the world compete and win.
The same is true for Innovation. Both Maru and him falter when competition from outside of Korea is present/when the big stage calls. Also both have lower win rates vs the top players and less achievements.
To anyone arguing sOs: sOs, who is a 2 time world champion, only has 5 premier tournament wins. If you consider Rogue and Serral, who also are in the debate, sOs falls short. The same holds true as for Innovation and Maru. Less achievements, less dominance.
Rogue has won 11 premier tournaments from 2017 to 2022. He, as well as Serral, won 2 Worlds.
Now let’s bring Serral into the equation. Out of his 23 premier tournament wins which span from 2018 to 2023, 18 are with Korean participation, Serral won 2 World Championships. Him and Rogue in my opinion are the only two players who are consistent and showed up when the best of the world are present. They have achieved similar high end feats.
BUT: Serral has way more Premier Tournament wins (with Korean participation and yet even more without) and was more dominant in his win rates and records versus other Korean players.
To people arguing that Serral never won a GSL. So what? He played the best of the best from GSL and defeated them time and again (see record vs these players and overall win rate vs Koreans above). Does anyone seriously believe Serral would not have won the GSL if he was born Korean? And at the same taking Premier titles away from players who now claim them? If anything, Serral's dominance would have been EVEN MORE apparent.
Plus Serral even went to Korea twice and both times won the GSL vs Worlds where the best of the GSL participated.
That argument sounds a little bit like this: Real Madrid (Serral) who defeated all Premier League teams (Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool etc.) in the Champions League (GSL vs World, World Championship, etc.) is not better than Liverpool because it never played in the Premier League. The argument is absurd. The Premier League (Korea) sends its best teams (Maru, Dark, Rogue) to the Champions League (GSL vs World, World Championship, etc.) and these best teams get beaten by Madrid (Serral). No one in their right mind would argue that Madrid isn’t the best team in the world, simply because it didn't play versus Wolverhampton.
Anyways, these are my thoughts.
Share stats, if you disagree.
ur commet sucks, because one knows you know exactly what happens and try to sound smart pre action
Zerg op, fungal fucking op, P sky such
Nerf mules and ghost please.
FIRST
Can Serral stop winning pls I'm so tired of him winning
I love that some zerg win everything .. toss are so imba and boring
He's the goat, and best player in the world by far. You better get used to it.
but some people don't think he wins enough to be considered GOAT.😂
So what is it? Is Serral GOAT or not?
It's always great together home from work, sit down with some food to eat, and see a new pig cast waiting for me on top of my feed
A slave lifestyle.
Game 3 was a Serral masterclass on how to win from behind. He's so damn good
when you are in an MMA fight and other guy is stunned. if your background in BJJ or wrestling, you do take them down for submission or ground and pound (Olivera, Islam, Habib, Chimaev few examples). Bad analogy ;)
if you've got a big advantage in the grappling 100%. Man have we seen a lot of fights where guys with average wrestling and BJJ decide to start grappling and give the other guy time to recover when keeping it on the feet should lead to an easy finish
Game 3 is absolutly crazy.
People are fast to call everything a "throw".
But this is the biggest throw I have ever seen in a pro match where both players are rated extremly high.
Sure, Serral was the favorite, but it is not like Hero was without a chance to win. (Aligulac had Serral win 75% and Hero 25% IIRC).
Loosing game 3 was insane.
After this the series was decided in my mind, there was no way that Hero could come after a loss like this. 0:3 instead of a guaranteed 1:2.
Well, I wasn't sad, I always love to see Serral win :)
And I'll enjoy watching you cast the whole series now. In advance, thank you for casting :)
Yeah I don't think he threw on purpose, but definitely massive fumbles on that game
@@PiGCasts Yeah, definitly not on purpose.
I heard Harstem + Lambo casting and they were completly baffled too.
They were joking when he lost a few oracles, because Serral was completly dead.
(Lambo was even surprised, Serral didn't leave the game.)
Even though Aligulac said hero had a 25% chance, I absolutely would have bet in favour of Serral at those odds. I would have personally put the odds at more like 10 to 1. Serral has traditionally matched up very well against aggressive Protosses like hero, and has had more difficulty against macro/efficiency styles like stats, Showtime and Classic (go look at his recent map loss to Reynor on radhuset, or his Gamers8 series vs Classic). His scouting and reactions against Protoss all ins are just perfect, he's soooo hard to break by surprising him with sharp builds and timings and he just ends up ahead.
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I watch other casters first but rewatch pigcast because bacon is good for you heart
Serral haters:
- You're winning too much!
- You're not GOAT you're not winning enough.
- Zerg OP and not your skills.
Ok so game three has to either be a medical issue like a migraine or panic attack for the loser or it’s match fixing…the level of play was like diamond level…so many things just didn’t make any sense…like made at least ten choices that were just inconceivable for a pro player
26:40
Im no aussie, but for some reason it feels appropriate that you mispelled it feint-y instead of fainting.
(:
They should change the serral's nickname to the dream killer because thats really what he does. I'm sure some of the pros have had nightmares about him
18:24 OR NOR, HIS RORBOR!!! Ahah I love how Australians speak so much
Hero trying to get scouted to play as an MLB pitcher he threw that game 3 so hard
lmao
How about disruptors or storms for first game?
Nice cast! Great series!
that game 3, heart ache....
Mossie Meadow
Serral : hero? So ez
HERO PLEASE STOP MAKING CARRIERS!!
Im glad there still are tounies
Man, I'm so tired of Serral winning every single fucking thing, this is so boring...
You made the first 3 minutes of this alone so intense with info. awesome.