How long should Munster continue to remain an average team? After 12 years, its time for a deep rethink. Merely replacing the Coach will not suffice. The club needs a major and fundamental recalibration if it is to return to its glory days of being a top European team.
@barryryan14 True, Leinster's century old commitment to open and flowing rugby has been a great foundation on which to build. That and the monopoly on passion and toughness that Southside schools seem to instil!
I mean, it’s probably not on Rowntree even if his methods were causing some injuries above normal. What has the academy produced in 10 years? 3 regular internationals in Casey, Crowley and Nash and not a lot else of note. Sure there are guys like Gleeson coming through now, but that’s shocking. It’s the least productive academy in the country and while emulating Leinster is a bit fanciful, Munster should be juking it out with Ulster for 2nd.
Firstly I'll say that I wholeheartedly belive Rowntree and the other coaching staff are responsible for the amount of injuries over the last 3 seasons. But to add to your point, the prospects who should be taking the next step up are injured and missing key development time. Players like Ahern, Edogbo, Kendellen, Gleeson, Patterson, have all been stifled. They haven't developed a center internally in years, never mind the front row issues. We're at the point that Connacht have leap frogged both Munster and Ulster in terms of player pathways.
People calling for Jones. He has never been a head coach. Walked out on Munster before although I don't blame him with JVG. Walked out on England. Was rather lucky to walk into an established SA environment. Not sure Munster should take a punt on him and it is definitely a punt.
It may seem harsh but the signs have been there a while: loosing away to Zebre for the first time ever was abysmal, very lucky to beat Connacht in the first game of the season, Munster skills / handling has gotten worse over the past 2 seasons, defensively they have been shockingly poor (yes Denis Leamy is defence coach but Rowntree is the Head Coach & has to take responsibility for the good & d bad), loosing to Leinster conceded 3 tries in 20 minutes has left alot of question marks over team preparation going into the game. Attack was very blunt in all the games so far this season. I will thank Graham Rowntree for bringing Munster silverware in the form of the URC in his first season but it was time for him to go. Wishing Graham Rowntree all the best. Munster ABÚ!
Munster is more of a Soccer Club than a Rugby Club. Sacking decent Managers in a fit of pique, booing their own players, not turning up.to Thomond in any kind of numbers when on a losing run. A Sugar Daddy in JP who has lost intetest. Cobwebs in the Museuem. Axel's Ghost haunting them like The Phantom of The Opera in a Scrum Cap!
Word is they hope to escape their financial mire by launching a new Theatrical production starring Quinny as Oliver Twist heading up to the Big Smoke with the begging bowl out to plead for more Leinster Academy players. "Shure l wasn't intending to blind ya, Leo". Premiering at the La Rochelle filum Festival.
Munster need a major revamp, a group to invest directly in schools rugby, gaa dominates in munster esp since limerick hurlers doing so well, surely more games in Cork there's a reason connaught don't play there games in sligo and leinster don't play in kilkenny, the rugby experience in limerick closed due to lack of footfall, pairc ui caoimh for big games for Income and that's a start
@@PaddleWithPaddy Hard to say who will be first to make an appearance on Dancing on Ice. Him, Gaillimh, or The Claw. Could be a Munster Xmas Special in it.
Idiotic to let him go at this point, especially given they hung onto JVG until thomond was essentially empty. Munster up top seem absolutely clueless. I think GR's record flattered him with the win and top of table. Munster looked average enough over that period IMO but got some results. I would expect the upper management in Munster to recognise this and make a strategic transition. But they seem incapable of this this has gone on for years. Their solution will be to sign another big name centre.
Leamy - defence has more holes then a sieve Prendergast - consistently inconsistent attack The boss….passionate……good luck with next gig! Feels like the time when IRFU shafted Gatland….
What the hell is behind this? Terrible start to the season but since he's been here he's won of the three URC titles on offer and topped the table in another.
To me it seems Munster have been living of the free pints from their Heineken cups and fully expected the talents the big names the success to come to them rather than going out pulling up their sleeves doing the hard work and using the success as the catalyst. How many games have I seen at Thomond Park ( on TV mind you ) that were nowhere a big crowd never mind a sell out !! Munster Rugby need a full reset and to go away and find their identity again and decide who and what they want to be!
And yet Leo Cullen continues to blunder along and get new contracts winning absolutely nothing with 90% of the best team in the world., yet they can't beat the Bulls, can't beat Saracens, can't beat Toulouse and can only beat la Rochelle when it doesn't matter.
Complaining about leinster losing a final that none of the other provinces can even reach isn't the flex you think it is. At least Leinster haven't copped a loss to Zebre...
Fekitoa, Healy, Snyman, Frisch, Carberry, Zebo etc etc. Flood gates have been open for some time! Where's the investment!! All the money is in Leinster, no hope! No big name coach would touch the job
Wake up the writing was on the wall 4 out of 6 losses and lucky at that. Munsters ageing team leaves me to say no forward thinkig! A shock did you stick your finger in the socket? 6'9" South Africa went to Leinnster and has played out of his skin, so why did he not play like this for Munster, no he was not injured all the time this year. Munster playing this new season looked flat footed nothing in the tank. That is what I seen from Munster this season. They looked like not instered in the setup no stand up and fight. Old players 30 to 36 year olds? so something had to give and it has. So lets see some farward thinking. younger strong big players neededs to be blooded and lets move forward. Munster now and for ever. Felix Jones bring him on, we need someone with forward thinking instead of going backwards! It is not ask rocket science ask LEO.
cian really ?a huge night against a south African experimental team of juniors and not one world cup player in that selection was hardly a great win for Munster
Almost as crazy as England calling a 6/2 split!!!!! What does Matt Williams have to say about that unsportsmanlike display by Borthwick????? Please ask him what he thinks I’d love to see him choke on his words he was spewing last year this time about Rassie
Munster rugby is toxic with a sense of entitlement matched with poor backgroud staff like costello etc. These guys were never good enough. Casey is definitely not a good enough scrum half either, not nearly good enough for whats needed. Two centres are poor two, so many bad players on that team especially in the backs and front five.
@@bernardtynan1725 Casey cant run, cant tackle, pass is ok and box kick is average. His attitude is very good but he will never be good enough for top level rugby. Munster and Ireland need better or they will suffer for years.
If there's one thing Munster do well, it's beating a cobbled-together international touring side at home. A win against the All Blacks XV could get that feel-good factor back in town
How long should Munster continue to remain an average team?
After 12 years, its time for a deep rethink. Merely replacing the Coach will not suffice. The club needs a major and fundamental recalibration if it is to return to its glory days of being a top European team.
What right has it to return to being a top team?
No need to self reflect when you can just deflect and blame Leinster.
How can they do that?
@eoinmiller5620 it's not Leinsters fault and denying Leinsters obvious ans huge advantages over the other 3 province's is also ignorance.
@barryryan14 True, Leinster's century old commitment to open and flowing rugby has been a great foundation on which to build. That and the monopoly on passion and toughness that Southside schools seem to instil!
Most stupid thing Munster have ever done.
Nah, signing Billy Burns
I mean, it’s probably not on Rowntree even if his methods were causing some injuries above normal. What has the academy produced in 10 years? 3 regular internationals in Casey, Crowley and Nash and not a lot else of note. Sure there are guys like Gleeson coming through now, but that’s shocking. It’s the least productive academy in the country and while emulating Leinster is a bit fanciful, Munster should be juking it out with Ulster for 2nd.
Firstly I'll say that I wholeheartedly belive Rowntree and the other coaching staff are responsible for the amount of injuries over the last 3 seasons. But to add to your point, the prospects who should be taking the next step up are injured and missing key development time. Players like Ahern, Edogbo, Kendellen, Gleeson, Patterson, have all been stifled. They haven't developed a center internally in years, never mind the front row issues. We're at the point that Connacht have leap frogged both Munster and Ulster in terms of player pathways.
People calling for Jones. He has never been a head coach. Walked out on Munster before although I don't blame him with JVG. Walked out on England. Was rather lucky to walk into an established SA environment. Not sure Munster should take a punt on him and it is definitely a punt.
Cian makes more sense than anyone on the possible reasons behind GR departure. BTW - great email
Crazy decision, maybe Rowntree had enough
It may seem harsh but the signs have been there a while: loosing away to Zebre for the first time ever was abysmal, very lucky to beat Connacht in the first game of the season, Munster skills / handling has gotten worse over the past 2 seasons, defensively they have been shockingly poor (yes Denis Leamy is defence coach but Rowntree is the Head Coach & has to take responsibility for the good & d bad), loosing to Leinster conceded 3 tries in 20 minutes has left alot of question marks over team preparation going into the game. Attack was very blunt in all the games so far this season. I will thank Graham Rowntree for bringing Munster silverware in the form of the URC in his first season but it was time for him to go. Wishing Graham Rowntree all the best. Munster ABÚ!
Munster is more of a Soccer Club than a Rugby Club. Sacking decent Managers in a fit of pique, booing their own players, not turning up.to Thomond in any kind of numbers when on a losing run. A Sugar Daddy in JP who has lost intetest. Cobwebs in the Museuem. Axel's Ghost haunting them like The Phantom of The Opera in a Scrum Cap!
Word is they hope to escape their financial mire by launching a new Theatrical production starring Quinny as Oliver Twist heading up to the Big Smoke with the begging bowl out to plead for more Leinster Academy players. "Shure l wasn't intending to blind ya, Leo". Premiering at the La Rochelle filum Festival.
@@FR-je9bw you’re bit of a fucking clown are you?
Munster need a major revamp, a group to invest directly in schools rugby, gaa dominates in munster esp since limerick hurlers doing so well, surely more games in Cork there's a reason connaught don't play there games in sligo and leinster don't play in kilkenny, the rugby experience in limerick closed due to lack of footfall, pairc ui caoimh for big games for Income and that's a start
What's with Cian's earring? I'm 47 so maybe i'm off the boil, is that in now?
Yeah all the really cool people are wearing them now
@MegaTkls never thought of Cian as really cool but decent journalist yeah. Strange he's doing something like that in his mid 30s
@@PaulWhelan-yb9uf He's identifying as a women now too. Says it makes him feel special and unique just like his earring.
This is not good news. How many poor starts has Munster had to a start to the season. A good email.
Fell out with pom
POM is full time on Instagram these days. The Missus has notions
Gearing up for retirement, trying to get gardening endorsements 👀
@@PaddleWithPaddy Hard to say who will be first to make an appearance on Dancing on Ice. Him, Gaillimh, or The Claw. Could be a Munster Xmas Special in it.
POM should have been put out to pasture last year.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Edinburgh show an interest?
Idiotic to let him go at this point, especially given they hung onto JVG until thomond was essentially empty. Munster up top seem absolutely clueless.
I think GR's record flattered him with the win and top of table. Munster looked average enough over that period IMO but got some results.
I would expect the upper management in Munster to recognise this and make a strategic transition. But they seem incapable of this this has gone on for years. Their solution will be to sign another big name centre.
Munster strength and conditioning is pathetic, half the team looks like they've never seen a rugby pitch
@Earscoop POM has had 20 years to add muscle and still can't knock the skin off custard
Leamy - defence has more holes then a sieve
Prendergast - consistently inconsistent attack
The boss….passionate……good luck with next gig! Feels like the time when IRFU shafted Gatland….
I take no joy in saying this but Irish rugby would be absolutely fucked without Leinster.
You're welcome
What the hell is behind this? Terrible start to the season but since he's been here he's won of the three URC titles on offer and topped the table in another.
To me it seems Munster have been living of the free pints from their Heineken cups and fully expected the talents the big names the success to come to them rather than going out pulling up their sleeves doing the hard work and using the success as the catalyst. How many games have I seen at Thomond Park ( on TV mind you ) that were nowhere a big crowd never mind a sell out !! Munster Rugby need a full reset and to go away and find their identity again and decide who and what they want to be!
And yet Leo Cullen continues to blunder along and get new contracts winning absolutely nothing with 90% of the best team in the world., yet they can't beat the Bulls, can't beat Saracens, can't beat Toulouse and can only beat la Rochelle when it doesn't matter.
Complaining about leinster losing a final that none of the other provinces can even reach isn't the flex you think it is. At least Leinster haven't copped a loss to Zebre...
Get over it!
Won plenty
JVG was an awful coach for Munster. Shocked to see Bath playing well as I don't rate Van Grann as a coach at all
Noel McNamara forwards coach at Bordeaux??
Why are they having so many injuries all of the time ?
We won the URC! Slow start too that season…. WTAF. ☘️
Maybe the home coming of Felix Jones??
@DerekChaplin-mu1gc He has come home, has bought a house in Dublin
Fekitoa, Healy, Snyman, Frisch, Carberry, Zebo etc etc. Flood gates have been open for some time! Where's the investment!! All the money is in Leinster, no hope! No big name coach would touch the job
All players ye couldn't get the best out of, shows Munster haven't gotten a clue, don't know why Leinster are being brought into it.
Wake up the writing was on the wall 4 out of 6 losses and lucky at that. Munsters ageing team leaves me to say no forward thinkig! A shock did you stick your finger in the socket? 6'9" South Africa went to Leinnster and has played out of his skin, so why did he not play like this for Munster, no he was not injured all the time this year. Munster playing this new season looked flat footed nothing in the tank. That is what I seen from Munster this season. They looked like not instered in the setup no stand up and fight. Old players 30 to 36 year olds? so something had to give and it has. So lets see some farward thinking. younger strong big players neededs to be blooded and lets move forward. Munster now and for ever. Felix Jones bring him on, we need someone with forward thinking instead of going backwards! It is not ask rocket science ask LEO.
The excuse is always munsters injury list. The dont have the players.
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cian really ?a huge night against a south African experimental team of juniors and not one world cup player in that selection was hardly a great win for Munster
@getridofneocons The young Boks were Roided to the eyeballs and all the Munster lads had were Spuds.
Almost as crazy as England calling a 6/2 split!!!!! What does Matt Williams have to say about that unsportsmanlike display by Borthwick????? Please ask him what he thinks I’d love to see him choke on his words he was spewing last year this time about Rassie
Jfc shut up
Best thing for Munster:...go out beat the All Blacks
@bengormley2517 Please God No. Don't want another 50 years of all that 1978 nonsense.
Means nothing beating all blacks selection (b team)
Munster rugby is toxic with a sense of entitlement matched with poor backgroud staff like costello etc. These guys were never good enough. Casey is definitely not a good enough scrum half either, not nearly good enough for whats needed. Two centres are poor two, so many bad players on that team especially in the backs and front five.
Piss poor attempt at rage baiting man 🫢
Casey seems good enough for Andy Farrell
@@cathalos1 nonsense, the rugby is shit for years, maybe you know these people and thats why you talk the shit you do. Stop defending and just get out
@@bernardtynan1725 Casey cant run, cant tackle, pass is ok and box kick is average. His attitude is very good but he will never be good enough for top level rugby. Munster and Ireland need better or they will suffer for years.
Bang on the money,munster fans just cant accept reality,and blame leinster for all their woes.
Nice earring Snowflake.
If there's one thing Munster do well, it's beating a cobbled-together international touring side at home. A win against the All Blacks XV could get that feel-good factor back in town
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Good at sing songs
Nenagh Bar...'sake!