@@brandonbrown4819 Battery backups would not have made a difference because all the power was disconnected transponder stopped transmitting right engine was badly damaged from broken blades tearing it up cutting hydraulics spraying fluid over the generator shorting it and left engine was stalled from birds and battery out of service so no signals sent to the recorder
The passenger that sent a text message after the bird strike did. not mention any smoke in the cabin which would have come from incinerated bird remains in the right engine and then the right air conditioner which feeds the passenger cabin.
You are assuming there was only one bird taken in or one bird strike... That's not what it seems like happened, according to all the other pieces of information we have.
@@pa600a Again, you're assuming that, just because it wasn't mentioned in a singular person's text, describing one event that was going on, at one point in time, that still has not been confirmed in the official timeline. That's a lot of assuming there on your part... It's completely possible there was smoke, or complete possible there was none... We do not yet know for sure, and your trying to infer that from somebody's text, which was most likely sent before things actually started getting really bad, seems like a total lack of critical thinking on your side.
How ironic, let’s see birds, fix, vice, quit operating 3 minutes before impact, no flaps, no landing gear, no spoilers deployed, 1 thrust reverser #2 engine somewhat functioning, over shot runway at excessive speed. All should know what this is.🤫
Boeing has faulty designs which were approved by higher authorities and is claiming lives of innocient people...How come there is no standby powersupply to the black boxes.?? strange
They need to look at the two circuit breakers for those black boxes to see if they were manually tripped by someone or if they popped due to a short-circuit. If the breakers aren't tripped then the wires suppling power to the black boxes were damaged somehow.
Why this crew elected to go around after a bird strike is mind boggling. Many of us have had birdstrikes. We always landed. In fact, almost with almost any type of engine problem on short final , I think most crews would just continue to land.
@@Sugas_Girrthere are over 20,000 bird strike incidents every year in the US alone. It’s very common. You almost never hear incidents like this - belly landing half way down the runway
@@CodyCha Yeah, AND??? It doesn't mean weird things or freak accidents don't ever happen. Nearly every single aviation accident that I have ever heard of, has had multiple things going on that all contributed in various parts to the end result. No two accidents and their results are usually ever the exact same. All the many comments I have seen from you, under other threads or videos about this accident, are usually all pretty well informed, rational, and I almost always agree with what you are saying, because it actually makes sense. But, did you have a second paragraph here that cut off or something??? I don't understand your need to point out that, 1st, bird strikes are common, I think we ALL know that. It happens nearly everyday, and especially considering this is Muan we are talking about, is not at all surprising in the least. And 2nd, obviously 99.9+% of them do not end up like this catastrophic disaster. What was the point you were trying to make here? That this accident is strange? Yeah, again, I think we all know that. All the more reason why some random armchair commentators like the OP, shouldn't be prematurely insinuating that this tragedy occured due to the pilots wrongdoing or error. Is that possible that it played a part? Of course, as it can't yet be completely ruled out yet. But to do it like this, before anything is proven, is not alright.
@@Johnny.Natural All Pilots are trained to use the manual gear extension by pulling 3 cables the pilots would've felt the gears being deployed just by hearing the loud sound & there would've been 3 green indicator lights. It's obvious they rushed the landing
Hope not same scenario as German Wings and Silk Air 185, tragedy years earlier. I hope not same. But it sound very very very similar to both accidents before
Aircraft should have switched probably to Emerg Power for FDR after 2 Eng Out but this is mandatory only one year after Aircraft was build-Thats what i read yesterday
Battery backups would not have made a difference because all the power was disconnected transponder stopped transmitting right engine was badly damaged from broken blades tearing it up cutting hydraulics spraying fluid over the generator shorting it and left engine was stalled from birds and battery out of service so no signals sent to the recorder
On that plane, backup battery does not power CVR/FDR. They only run on AC power and APU. In case of complete electrical failure, the battery only powers flight critical components - not the blackbox
So maybe they started Go Around already when they saw first Birds comming,so getting too high for straight in and then got either two Engi ge hit by Birds or possibly switched wrong off and then to reduce Drag made a gliding very short Approach and got even high on Speed as they wanted to aim for RWY Beginning....A lot of bad Luck ....But i hate this damn Antenna Construction....Every Skiing Downhill is prepared more safely
If you thought MH370 was a hard mystery think again this is going to be a hard aviation mystery to solve what happened surely a bird strike the airfield is literally next to a roosting place for birds but that can’t be right
Shut down the wrong engine. Whippy U-turn because you have no thrust for a complete go-around overestimate the distance to the runway and keep your flaps and Gear Up come in way too fast hit a concrete barrier
or the engine blades sheered of by the bird strike and cut through the hydraulics and electrical cables? incidents like this have happened in the past...
So your genius insight is that they pulled the AC transfer bus 1 AND 2, AND every other circuit relating to comms and radio, AND somehow shutdown ADS-B, AND all the external plane lights...all PRIOR to s. even hitting the fan??? Yeah, ok, Einstein.
The blackbox got shut off less that a minute after the bird strike. The only thing they have done is call mayday and initiated the go round. What is there to hide at that point.
@@szaki based on poor execution of go around and long landing, they had limited thrust. I don’t think you can assume because engine wasn’t completely dead, it must been generating electricity. The generator needs certain RPM and you can rule out other electrical damages that could have occurred
I heard the engines have their own data recorders, they may have useful information if survived? But if there's a cover up, like with the disappeared Malaysian plane, we will never find out!
The aircraft collided with a bird that weighed over 1,000 pounds. At 300 knots that will cause severe damage to the airframe and aircraft systems. It was either a rare species that was thought to be extinct, or an occupant of a flying saucer from another planet.
My theory is that the bird strike took out the electric generator in the right engine, and the pilots accidentally turned off the left engine which turned off the electric generator in that engine. The third electric generator in the tail is normally only turned on when the plane is on the ground. Without any electricity and the right engine still providing thrust, they landed far faster than they should. As for the black boxes losing power, it is likely that the battery backups for the black boxes were not maintained.
Yup but all this can be determined from collecting debris you don’t need black boxes, it just takes longer to confirm this, the voice recorders are the big loss because it will never be known what they were saying, if the captain gave an order to shut down the wrong engine, etc
@@ytzpilot As the man said, one engine had to be working to go around. Even at landing some say the left engine was in reverse trust! I heard each engine has it's own data recorders, so they maybe able to use information from there?
@@szaki the theory is they shut the wrong engine down after the go around which prompted them to turn around and land on the inactive runway, if one engine was running they would have set themselves up for another approach on the active runway
@@ytzpilot, was it necessary to shut an engine right when you are ready to land?? I mean, why shut it off AND why go around?? This pilot was almost at the runway when he decided to go around, I don't get it?? What could be the reason to go around? Why not land immediately after the bird strike? They were right there. That was the biggest mistake, why take more chances by going around? I heard that on the first landing approach the pilot had the landing gear out, so why go around??
My summary of the past weeks since the accident:
- Bullsheet
- Bullsheet
- More bullsheet
- Even MORE bullsheet.
The fact that the FDR/CVR quit is evidence in itself that will support a root-cause analysis narrowing in on the probable cause.
But they have battery backups!
@@brandonbrown4819 The 737-800 didn't have it required until 2010.
@@brandonbrown4819 Battery backups would not have made a difference because all the power was disconnected transponder stopped transmitting right engine was badly damaged from broken blades tearing it up cutting hydraulics spraying fluid over the generator shorting it and left engine was stalled from birds and battery out of service so no signals sent to the recorder
A lot of fancy words but said nothing 😂
AC BUS 1 and 2 failed for both boxes to not have power and record. That points to a major electrical failure.
And why is their barrier at the end of the runway then
Full of incorrect technical information from this so called "expert".
Oh the irony, coming from a keyboard "expert" like you on youtube. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Did this guy just basically repeat what this chick interviewing him said.. insightful
What do you expect from a “travel advisor”
He called South Korea “Korea” lol…
They shut down the wrong engine!?!
Suspicious…..
The passenger that sent a text message after the bird strike did. not mention any smoke in the cabin which would have come from incinerated bird remains in the right engine and then the right air conditioner which feeds the passenger cabin.
You are assuming there was only one bird taken in or one bird strike... That's not what it seems like happened, according to all the other pieces of information we have.
@@Sugas_Girr No I'm just saying that there was no smoke for the pilots to be concerned about during the mayday.
@@pa600a Again, you're assuming that, just because it wasn't mentioned in a singular person's text, describing one event that was going on, at one point in time, that still has not been confirmed in the official timeline. That's a lot of assuming there on your part... It's completely possible there was smoke, or complete possible there was none... We do not yet know for sure, and your trying to infer that from somebody's text, which was most likely sent before things actually started getting really bad, seems like a total lack of critical thinking on your side.
How ironic, let’s see birds, fix, vice, quit operating 3 minutes before impact, no flaps, no landing gear, no spoilers deployed, 1 thrust reverser #2 engine somewhat functioning, over shot runway at excessive speed. All should know what this is.🤫
Turned off good engine?
blame boeing for the design. a black box should not be without power at any time.
Ohhhh my word if ever a crash needed the Black Boxes to tell the story- it was this one!! How heartbreaking
No this is performed in the simulator thousands of times per week...just ask a simulator instructor.
There’s enough known data to figure out what happened.
Did they not record OR did the South Korean authorities delete the last 4 minutes of data to save face?
Does it occur to anyone else that we are simply in WAY over our heads in aviation??
Nice job Markie with the interview!
First MCAS
Now, stupid design flaw that a black box can be disconnected from power so easily. Stupid engineers.
Non pas des ingénieurs stupides, des économies de Boeing.
Boeing has faulty designs which were approved by higher authorities and is claiming lives of innocient people...How come there is no standby powersupply to the black boxes.?? strange
My god you could find an aviation expert to talk about the incident? You found a storyteller 😂
They need to look at the two circuit breakers for those black boxes to see if they were manually tripped by someone or if they popped due to a short-circuit. If the breakers aren't tripped then the wires suppling power to the black boxes were damaged somehow.
those circuit breakers are ashes now
It is very likely that the landing scene itself is computer graphics.
sure buddy
I suppose no closure for the victim’s families.
Travel expert: Someone who travels a lot...
I smell something fishy ...and the smells seems to be coming from BOEING.
Why this crew elected to go around after a bird strike is mind boggling.
Many of us have had birdstrikes.
We always landed. In fact, almost with almost any type of engine problem on short final , I think most crews would just continue to land.
Well, hopefully you'll be in their exact same situation one day, and then you can all show us how perfect you are! 👍🏻👍🏻
@@Sugas_Girrthere are over 20,000 bird strike incidents every year in the US alone. It’s very common. You almost never hear incidents like this - belly landing half way down the runway
@@CodyCha Yeah, AND??? It doesn't mean weird things or freak accidents don't ever happen. Nearly every single aviation accident that I have ever heard of, has had multiple things going on that all contributed in various parts to the end result. No two accidents and their results are usually ever the exact same.
All the many comments I have seen from you, under other threads or videos about this accident, are usually all pretty well informed, rational, and I almost always agree with what you are saying, because it actually makes sense. But, did you have a second paragraph here that cut off or something??? I don't understand your need to point out that, 1st, bird strikes are common, I think we ALL know that. It happens nearly everyday, and especially considering this is Muan we are talking about, is not at all surprising in the least. And 2nd, obviously 99.9+% of them do not end up like this catastrophic disaster. What was the point you were trying to make here? That this accident is strange? Yeah, again, I think we all know that. All the more reason why some random armchair commentators like the OP, shouldn't be prematurely insinuating that this tragedy occured due to the pilots wrongdoing or error. Is that possible that it played a part? Of course, as it can't yet be completely ruled out yet. But to do it like this, before anything is proven, is not alright.
The communication between the tower and the flight crew and the flight crew and the airline maintenance staff should be available.
Why wasn’t the gear already down on landing
You can't fly with gear down so at 4min they lost all electrical power and performed a glider landing
@@Johnny.Natural All Pilots are trained to use the manual gear extension by pulling 3 cables
the pilots would've felt the gears being deployed just by hearing the loud sound & there would've been 3 green indicator lights.
It's obvious they rushed the landing
@@Peace-i7wof course they did Rush it when the plane was uncontrolable. They focused on even managing to land on the runway
Hope not same scenario as German Wings and Silk Air 185, tragedy years earlier. I hope not same. But it sound very very very similar to both accidents before
Last 30 minutes was way old design school...its been years they record hours
True but the power was cut so stopped recording
@SC-sf8xt in general they should record under any circumstances 😊
Aircraft should have switched probably to Emerg Power for FDR after 2 Eng Out but this is mandatory only one year after Aircraft was build-Thats what i read yesterday
*Why do you cut the video when the plane crashes, you complete clowns?*
why did it bother you this much? want to see bodies ejected in the sky , right?
You're sick.
Battery backups would not have made a difference because all the power was disconnected transponder stopped transmitting right engine was badly damaged from broken blades tearing it up cutting hydraulics spraying fluid over the generator shorting it and left engine was stalled from birds and battery out of service so no signals sent to the recorder
On that plane, backup battery does not power CVR/FDR. They only run on AC power and APU. In case of complete electrical failure, the battery only powers flight critical components - not the blackbox
The crew in the back could tell if the interior lights were working.
Nothing new, move along...
Amelia Erheart, MAS370 now Jeju crash. Aviation mystery.
So maybe they started Go Around already when they saw first Birds comming,so getting too high for straight in and then got either two Engi ge hit by Birds or possibly switched wrong off and then to reduce Drag made a gliding very short Approach and got even high on Speed as they wanted to aim for RWY Beginning....A lot of bad Luck ....But i hate this damn Antenna Construction....Every Skiing Downhill is prepared more safely
If you zoom in on the image and analyze it closely, you'll see that it's 99% computer graphics.
What happened to the passengers?
@@CodyChabruda you do understand that the plane exploded. What do you think will happen to the passengers? 🤡
If you thought MH370 was a hard mystery think again this is going to be a hard aviation mystery to solve what happened surely a bird strike the airfield is literally next to a roosting place for birds but that can’t be right
Here is the Muan RW 01 approach:
ua-cam.com/video/lZA3_BirsHw/v-deo.html
Did anyone else notice the bang from the plane in the video shortly after it hit the runway? Second bird strike?😰
Shut down the wrong engine. Whippy U-turn because you have no thrust for a complete go-around overestimate the distance to the runway and keep your flaps and Gear Up come in way too fast hit a concrete barrier
Is that how they told you spin it at the Boeing investors meeting?
or the engine blades sheered of by the bird strike and cut through the hydraulics and electrical cables? incidents like this have happened in the past...
A good guess is one of the pilots turned it off to hide something. You can do that by simply pulling the circuit breaker, at least on older planes.
But not easy to get to those circuit breakers, eh?
So your genius insight is that they pulled the AC transfer bus 1 AND 2, AND every other circuit relating to comms and radio, AND somehow shutdown ADS-B, AND all the external plane lights...all PRIOR to s. even hitting the fan???
Yeah, ok, Einstein.
The blackbox got shut off less that a minute after the bird strike. The only thing they have done is call mayday and initiated the go round. What is there to hide at that point.
@@CodyCha How they flew around without engine?
If one engine worked, they must had some power and should have power to the black boxes?
@@szaki based on poor execution of go around and long landing, they had limited thrust. I don’t think you can assume because engine wasn’t completely dead, it must been generating electricity. The generator needs certain RPM and you can rule out other electrical damages that could have occurred
Who was on that plane, that the Cabal couldn't allow to live?
I heard the engines have their own data recorders, they may have useful information if survived?
But if there's a cover up, like with the disappeared Malaysian plane, we will never find out!
Cover Up!
The aircraft collided with a bird that weighed over 1,000 pounds.
At 300 knots that will cause severe damage to the airframe and aircraft systems.
It was either a rare species that was thought to be extinct, or an occupant of a flying saucer from another planet.
Concrete wall on the fast lane is hilarious.
Uhum, uhum, so a boeing you say? 🫥
How convenient for certain people.
And who would those certain people be?
@@Sugas_Girr the people in charge
@@jin8684 Stop watching so much TV.
My theory is that the bird strike took out the electric generator in the right engine, and the pilots accidentally turned off the left engine which turned off the electric generator in that engine. The third electric generator in the tail is normally only turned on when the plane is on the ground. Without any electricity and the right engine still providing thrust, they landed far faster than they should. As for the black boxes losing power, it is likely that the battery backups for the black boxes were not maintained.
Yup but all this can be determined from collecting debris you don’t need black boxes, it just takes longer to confirm this, the voice recorders are the big loss because it will never be known what they were saying, if the captain gave an order to shut down the wrong engine, etc
@@ytzpilot As the man said, one engine had to be working to go around.
Even at landing some say the left engine was in reverse trust!
I heard each engine has it's own data recorders, so they maybe able to use information from there?
@@szaki the theory is they shut the wrong engine down after the go around which prompted them to turn around and land on the inactive runway, if one engine was running they would have set themselves up for another approach on the active runway
@@szaki the thrust reverser you see in the video is the same engine as the bird strike, which also suggests they identified the wrong engine failed
@@ytzpilot, was it necessary to shut an engine right when you are ready to land?? I mean, why shut it off AND why go around?? This pilot was almost at the runway when he decided to go around, I don't get it?? What could be the reason to go around? Why not land immediately after the bird strike? They were right there. That was the biggest mistake, why take more chances by going around? I heard that on the first landing approach the pilot had the landing gear out, so why go around??
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