“97% of Lightroom Users Don't Know It’s in Photoshop”
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In this week’s episode, we discuss Lightroom's darkest editing secret hidden inside of Photoshop. Over the years, I've noticed the vast majority of beginner photographers use Lightroom to edit their photos. And most of these beginner Lightroom users are highly intimidated of the sheer thought of using Photoshop, even though most people would agree , Photoshop is by far the most powerful photo editing platform available. And, in this video, my hope is that you'll become more confident and inspired to begin trying Photoshop on your own once I share with you this golden nugget of information that most Lightroom beginners aren't aware of. So if you've been thinking about taking your photography to the next level with Photoshop, then this video is for you! I hope you enjoy this week's episode and as always thanks so much for watching! - Mark D.
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💥QUICK QUESTION: Do you use Photoshop?
Yes!
Yes, and startet recently to use the TK8 Plug-in for making adjustment Layers. It’s a really great Toolset :)
Yes and also the Beta omg there's so much to explore
Very rare - I mostly work with Lightroom.
I dabble
In my opinion, Mark, the most effective workflow involves opening the raw file as a smart object in Photoshop. This allows for a seamless connection to Lightroom settings, and you can stack additional layers on top, just as you did. When you save the file and return it to Lightroom, you have the option to revisit the initial adjustments if you open the saved file again in Photoshop and select "open original," you'll find all the layers intact, including the original Lightroom settings. This is the only method that leaves a trail back to the RAW file. Good thoughts, Ron
This is the way.
If you could have a trail back to the original raw then you might as well just do everything in Lightroom and not use photoshop at all. I think the whole point of going to photoshop is when you need to work on the actual pixels.
@@hautehussey it is the way I work. Nice that Adobe thought to offer it.
@TheSmartWoodshop: You are absolutely right. If you transfer from Lightroom directly to Photoshop as a smartobject, the CameraRawFilter takes over the settings from Lightroom, and you can see the changes from the filter later in Lightroom. The filter recognises the snapshots from Lightroom, you can create snapshots in the filter that are transferred to Lightroom - it's mega ingenious, but care with the warning message that settings were changed outside of Lightroom.
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@@eddiegutierrezjr6226 Which is the way? Sorry, but I find your reply ambiguous. No offense intended.
The only problem with going to PS is that you end up with a TIFF or PSD file. These are huge. I try to stay in LR as much as possible to never leave the RAW file!
I came at this backwards from most. I’ve used Photoshop for over 20 years but until 5 years ago, did everything destructively - editing directly on the layer itself. Ctl z was probably my most used ”adjustment.” I was self taught so never learned about adjustment layers. Layers and masking with adjustment layers was a total game changer for me. The next game changer was learning about Smart Objects and Camera Raw followed by realizing masking was available in Camera Raw a year ago. At 70, I’m still amazed at how much there is to learn about the tools Adobe provides.
They say a person who defends themself has a fool for a lawyer. Perhaps the same can be said for us self-taught types. LOL. I'm finding all sorts of bad habits in my methods when looking at YT tuts. :)
Another quality video, Mark. My only suggestion is that a metaphor with transparent sheets atop a single paper sheet (background layer) might work better as paper layers tend to evoke an opaque quality that you didn't imply. But I really could have used this when I first rolled up my cuffs and waded into Photoshop!
Mark, I have tontell ya brotha. After 21 years in the Army, your presentations on Lightoom and Photoshop are exactly what I've gone through over the last 21 years. The Army's motto for training is the acronym, K.I.S.S. Keep it simple Stupid. This means make the training as simple as you can and avoid the confusing complexities. You nail it every time. Great stuff as usual! Don't stop!
Thanks a million Bruce - really appreciate that!
I've been watching a couple of your vids recently. Thank you! I found the image you used in this video to be most excellent! *Subscribed*
Mark, your image from Indosia of those fabulous trees is really beautiful! I could look at that all day long. Peaceful and tranquil, and at the same time, reminds me of a Dr. Seuss book!! All the best!
This really is an amazing photo! Just goes to show that you don't need the epic sunset/sunrise to capture an amazingly beautiful shot of nature!
Mark, Another very find video, but I really need to talk about the photograph you used to do the demonstrations. I have been a photography enthusiast for more than 50 years and I have to say that the picture you posted this week (which I saw a number of places) is one of the best I have ever seen. It is mesmerizing; just fun to look at! I am amazed!
Great film Mark, personally I never use Lightroom, I use exclusively Camera Raw and Photoshop, it's so versatile and actually quite easy once grasped! All the best.
Dude!!! This is the video I needed!! 🎉
Great video! I recently started using lightroom and photoshop and I found this video very helpful.
Excellent video with so much useful information. Thanks Mark!
Many thanks from a new subscriber for this video Mark. Best advice I’ve had yet regarding Photoshop. As a beginner with LR and PS this video will be invaluable.
Thank you, Mark, for motivating me to start using Photoshop. I have been stuck with Lightroom for quite a while, and your encouragement has inspired me to explore a new creative avenue🙏
G'day mate... I've been a PS & LR user for over 10 years, what I got from your video is getting back to basics, and how powerful and simple these programs can be to use. Thanks for reminder!!
This one was brilliant. Never knew this before. Before, I only used Photoshop for spot healing and removing clutter.
Amazing! I've aways enjoy watching your videos. Is that a walkman right under your monitor?
Thank you so much for this video. Taught me a lot that when I’m home I definitely start to use. Looks really powerful. Is there a good photoshop book or more videos that contains this flow to have as a reference? Again thank you. Would like more photoshop and Lightroom videos for sure.
You do a good job at explaining complicated items to me. thanks.
Great video Mark, I really wish something like this had been available when I started with PS
Thanks mark, you make this much easier to understand. Though I’m not new to photoshop, I need to be reminded how powerful it really is. I get lazy in Lightroom. So, more photoshop tutorials please!
Thanks so much for the feedback!
This is possibly the BEST Photoshop lesson I have ever watched. Thank you so much, Mark.
BTW... Is that a Sony Walkman? Takes me WAAAYYY back
LOVE that image, Mark! Oh, and the content is top-notch as usual.
Thanks Dave!
Great info. Thank you Mark.
Glad to do it!
Hello Mark,
Another enjoyable & informative video. I just want to say that I always get some very useful information from each of your videos. I've learned a lot from watching you for the past 18 months or so. Thank you for sharing your photo tips & your easy manner in which you convey the information. Good job, Tom.
Thank You I needed to see this Today. Thank you
Thank you, Mark! I've always had a love/hate (start/stop) relationship with Ps which has caused me to just stick with Lightroom. But starting with this explanatory tutorial today, I think I might give it a proper go now. And yes, ANY videos that you make about Ps will be very much appreciated, as I'm very sure that I'm not the only one doing the back & forth dance! 😄
Great video as always, Mark, and it really explained some of issues I had moving over to Photoshop. I tend to shy away from it because it can be intimidating compared to Lightroom.
Thanks Michael!
Thanks Mark. Firstly I'd like to comment on the photograph you were using... it is outstanding! I've seen it now more than several times on social media sites in just one day and now on your weekly video... still amazed. (btw, I've just returned 14:28 from Indonesia myself). In relation to the tutorial, I was hooked right off the bat when you showed me a 'photography workspace'. I'm fairly experienced in Lightroom and have only dipped my toe in the Photoshop sandpit, but now can't wait to try more. Thanks again.
Hi Mark, I agree - you do have skills with simplifying more complex concepts. I enjoyed both your picture and the "trip you made to photoshop". One potential point of clarification is (my understanding) the Camera Raw "engine" is the same whether in Lightroom or Photoshop or the standalone App. For heavy pixel manipulation and some of the newer AI resources, the need to visit Photoshop (from Lightroom) is my preferred workflow. For me personally is to know the "When" to visit Photoshop and once I get there "How" to get in, make my edits, and get out as quickly as possible. With so many features continuously being introduced to both packages, you'll have enough material for years of UA-cam videos.
Totally agree with this workflow. I first was pulled in to photoshop (from lightroom) for the heal and clone tools. Now with the smart filters, I spend so much more time in photoshop for my final edits.
Great！ Thanks! 🙏
Oh man. I had a class about 12 years ago and then hadnt used photo shop since. Now getting back into it and after watching this video I have been going about it all wrong. Great video. Thanks.
I am learning. This was great. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
At the end of the day, the question remains.. why? All the edits you showed can be easily done in Lightroom. Just more clicks to achieve the same in Photoshop. With intelligent masking in Lightroom, there are fewer reasons to jump to Photoshop. I have specific reasons I jump into Photoshop, for example photo stacking. Object removal. What are the others?
Nice. I thought it was just me that wasn't quite understanding the reasons for jumping the image to PS, as this all sounded like many extra unnecessary steps to achieve the same thing in LR. What I see people doing is playing excessively with too many sliders that are available, then transporting the image back and fourth between imaging software , making it look like something completely devoid of what the scene actually looked like in real life. Then, finally kicking out a JPEG and calling themselves tall as a photographer.... LOL
I love your videos, and would like to see more on Photoshop.
This was very helpful Mark. I have become relatively confident using Lightroom but Photoshop has intimidated me. The new remove tool in Photoshop has had me dabbling in "scary land " and I want to learn more to raise my editing up a level. Thanks for the clear instruction and encouragement!
Glad to help!
Great video!
Great Video!!
Thank you Mark. You make it seem so simple.
Many thanks!
Thank you! So far I’m mostly using photoshop to ad a watermark with my logo. I’m going to try this!
Welcome!
because of your explanation, i will try using photoshop.. that is the best explanation i saw..layers are the most confusing part..thank you
Nice shot! Enlightening information. 👍🥂
Thank ya!
Thanks Mark! Very helpful.
Glad to hear it!
I've been following your channel for a long time, it's always a lesson in each video. As a photography enthusiast, I use lightroom, and photoshop, basically to take elements from photographs and little else. And why, I'm not very comfortable with photoshop, but with this lesson I understood better how photoshop works and I'm going to practice more. It is without a doubt a powerful tool. In short, Photoshop is like an overhead projector, on which we put overhead projectors, or rather we put (today we have keynote, powerpoint) overhead projectors with the information we intended to pass on and in the end we had the total information. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and information. Until forever
Thanks so much for your continued support over the years - means a lot!
Do you have to first add the "convert to smart filters" selection to use the camera raw filter?
You teach very well. I am going to use photoshop now. Please post more such videos
Great video and the analogy finally makes sense thanks to your description. Question please...... what is the difference between "Control+Shift+Alt+E" vs "Select all Layers using SHIFT+ RIght Click" = Merge Layers.......In your example it becomes "Layer 1" and in mine It eliminates the original 3 layers and becomes "colour fill 1 (or what ever the last layer was called)
Good teaching tools. I like it.
Mark……finally after many years I now have a better understanding of how Photoshop works. THANK YOU! 🙏
Love hearing this - thank you!
Another great video, Mark! Yes, I tried Adobe Camera RAW like one year ago, I used it, I like it, but Adobe Photoshop always scared me!
I think this approach "Photoshop - Adobe Camera RAW , back and forth" is great and I will start to use it more. In this way, as you said, the Photoshop becomes more friendly :)
What I discovered on my own: since the latest update (12.4), Lightroom takes a looot of resources on my laptop. Is true, I don't have a great laptop, but still, with the pretty much the same resources, the older versions were better. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but now I can not any more open in Lightroom 5 RAW files because it freezes, no more ram memory, no more disk space. What I found on the internet seems to be related to the fact that I dont have at least 20% free space on my disk (I had it before neither). What I figured out: I preview my photo from Adobe Bridge, I select as many I want to edit and I open all on Adobe Camera RAW directly -> so there is no Photoshop, no Lightroom open. For my hardware it is far away better in this way. The Adobe Camera RAW itself, open from Adobe Bridge, works much better, much smoother, and it seems do not need too many resources (RAM, CPU etc). I didn't know that the ACR could be open alone (not as a filter from Photoshop), but works super great open from Bridge.
I use both LR and PS (mostly PS ) but this knowledge you just shared will be a game changer for me. Thank you and appreciate your time and effort 👍
The advantage of starting with LR first for me is the camera presets and easy and precise colour balance and then the new ai filters for sky and subject plus auto transform to fix small distortions or alignment. I only invoke PS to use remove tool etc which work great. But my workflow leaves everything non destructive and in raw unless I actually need the power of PS.
Thanks, Mark, for such a great explanation. I have combined using Lightroom and Photoshop for a few years, but I feel sure that this will alter the balance in favour of Photoshop!
Glad to do it!
I will try this, thanks for that video.
But one additional question: I use PS Beta for adding KI based content to play a bit with it. How can I adjust the KI content after created? When I select the KI layer created and adjust brightness or whatever, it affects the whole image. I just want to adjust that inserted content - how to do that?
Best regards from Hamburg.
Hi can you use masking in camera raw thanks
Does camera raw in Photoshop act on the pixel layer in photoshop or the raw file as in the lightroom?
excellent video, Mark!
The key to this though is that you must convert for Smart Filters otherwise CR will work more or less reset itself and "stack" edits if you don't convert for smart filters first. This is something you don't have to do in LR though as it recalls your edits when you bring up the image or add new edits, but PS is a bit different in this regard. Fun fact is that this is how it used to be before LR was developed. You'd open a photo in Photoshop usually and the ACR Dialog box would pop up if it was a RAW file and you'd edit this way using the ACR Dialog box and this was the reason Adobe did Lightroom because for some it was tedious, plus people wanted a way to organize photos better (as Bridge is an ancient program and not as intuitive as LR's library module and lacks the better organizational features -- Bridge is basically a file/folder parsing program like Windows Explorer or Mac Finder).
Hi Mark, coming from film and chemistry printing I understand the nuances to digital photo retouching.
I used digital editing quite a lot in the past and returning now to P/S quite significantly as a main stay in my work flow. Been watching various channels - Have to say so far to date having watched this episode yours for me anyways was the most enjoyable and presented very well I’ve watched so far. I’m interested in grading black and white by localising specific areas within the image - Dodging and Burning in darkroom practices. Can you help?
One question i have about this process is: When you open the image in photoshop is that still a raw file or is kind of an exported tiff/jpeg? My issue here is there gonna be the same amount of information here as in the raw file for making edits, or are you using the camera raw editing tools in photoshop on a rendered tiff/jpeg file with less information on it so adjustment headroom on things like exposure/highlights/shadow sliders will be lower?
Another awesome tutorial! Thanks Mark 👍🙂🙂
Wouldn't it be better to leave the layers seperate so you could go back and edit them if desired/needed?
Maybe just group them rather than merge them? 🤔
Ive been using Lightroom for a good many years now and only dipping into Ps when LRc is unable to photomerge a pano due to number of images etc. I have literally just sat down and followed you through this process on my Macbook pro and this 'has' made me much more comfortable about using Ps. many thanks
I am a Lr guy. I have used Ps for resizing and making logos. I never really understood the fascination with Ps for editing photos. Most images don't need anything fancy that would require Ps. Now, if you are into graphics, then that's different. My issue with Ps is the way the masking works. To complicated on Ps, but as you said Cr is Lr which I knew, then you would just is it instead. I don't get the image flow between bridge, Cr, catalogs, Ps....etc. that would be a whole paid class to figure it out to the point of comfort. Great stuff, as always, Mark!
I do this on and off, depending on the image. One tip I can give your viewers, use photoshop to do all your spot cloning, especially skies. It has far more power and control than LR. Up the contrast and those pesky sensor spots show up like you wouldn’t believe.
Thanks very much Mark, that was most informative. The Photography Workspace tip was a game changer for me! I have only been stumbling around in Photoshop to remove backgrounds when they are too messy to do in Lightroom by just adjusting the background exposure, but is relatively easy in Photoshop, assuming the masking is clean enough, otherwise it an be a laborious task (not compared to the old days though, I bet). I will use Photoshop more as I do want to tap into its power when I have the right use cases, but I really don’t understand why there is a “Remove Background” function in Lightroom, for me it is just about the only major feature missing at the moment. Do you know why, or when it may be introduced? Cheers and thanks again.
Do you have a video on the advantages of using a track pad and a mouse?
Mark, this video was very interesting and certainly helped me see reasons to use Adobe Camera Raw in my workflow. One big issue I have is how to get all the Lightroom Classic Develop Module Presets, built in many years, available in ACR. One would think Adobe would have figured out how these sync but evidently not. I rely on my presets and would want them to sync continuously for me to be comfortable using ACR regularly.
I would like to learn how to use content aware cloning moving from Lightrooom to Photoshop
Im sorry, maybe im a bit slow here but are you saying :- make adjustments in LR then send it to PS in order to open it in CR and make LR ( effectively) adjustments that i could have made in LR?
Im sure i must be missing something.
If you do (in LR) Select Photo > Edit In > Open as Smart Object Layers in Photoshop, then you don't need add smart in PS later
Great video. Learning Photoshop has been on my list for too long. I encourage you to continue with the introductory Photoshop videos. Keep it simple. One topic at a time. I learnt several new functions with this video. I like your comment about getting comfortable with PS by taking small steps.
Thanks so much for the feedback - glad the video was helpful!
The healing tool was what led me to PS first (and now the remove tool!) and then I learned a new skill every once in a while and now I'm very comfortable in PS. BUT you can still use LR for initial adjustments, then "Open as smart object in PS" (since you can still open Camera Raw and all your LR adjustments are there), do your PS thing, and then save it back to LR.
Thanks!
Welcome!
This saved me so much time, before I knew this I was editing my photos in LR then heading over to PS where I was editing and then saving my photoshop files, heading back over to lightroom, editing it a little more and then sometimes heading back to photoshop to do more editing.
Thanks Keith! Great to hear it was helpful!
Photoshop simplified... thanks Mark 👍
Glad you think so - thank you!
Is there a way to save the photo from Photoshop back to Lightroom as something other than a TIF file? I like using the new Generative Fill for removing objects, but really don't need these huge 100mb+ files lying around. I'd love to save a DNG version or something.
(For now I tend to delete the TIF once I've generated a JPEG, but that's not ideal.)
Why to save as tiff back to LR vs psd?
Mark, as you know there is a good deal of overlap between the adjustments available in Lightroom/Camera Raw and those on the layers panel in Photoshop such as exposure, contrast, curves,vibrance, HSL etc. Is there any advantage in applying these adjustments using PS vs LR/CR?
Thanks
From my perspective, local adjustments in PS are still much better than their LR equivalent for the simple reason that the brush tool in PS is so much powerful. I’m talking in the context of using the brush tool with masks to only apply your adjustments to specific parts of the picture (as opposed to globally). But as I said in another comment!I use PS less and less now that some sort of layers are also available in LR. The clone stamp tool and healing brush produces much better results in PS as well. And now the AI fill ! Amazing.
@@gilcarag274 Thanks. Appreciate your insight.
When you need to apply the adjustments on a pixel by pixel basis, or change the pixels themselves. Like duplicate a Bush or add things.
Slightly off topic (great vid, btw - thank you): do you actually use the Walkman on your desk? Or is that a paper weight? :-)
So now I am confused - what do I actually need to purchase from Adobe? Given the monthly charges, which can add up over the months / years, I am determined to avoid purchasing (renting) something that I do not need or may not use. Any comments / suggestions about this?
The thing is that now with layers available in LR there is less and less reason to go to PS. And that’s also a good way to get more familiar with layers without going into PS. 😊 I most of the time now go to PS only for my best work. One type ot tools that is really lagging far behind is the cloning and healing brush tools.
That is quite a beautiful place in Indonesia! As always, you do great explanations.
Thanks so much!
Mark, i have a tutorial challenge for you ! Lightroom cataloguing. How you do input and arrange and file your photos? I also use a NAS but I find it confusing. Thanks
Holy 💩Thanks Mark awesome video
Hey, Mark. Great video. Quick question....I've known for years now how to open photos in Photoshop from Lightroom and then save them back to Lightroom, but is there a way to re-open the file in Photoshop and see the edits that were previously done? I've had photos before where I made some Lightroom adjustments, editing in Photoshop, came back to Lightroom and made some more adjustments, and then realized I wanted to undo something I had done in Photoshop but essentially had to go back and re-do that second round of Lightroom adjustments because I couldn't undo what I had done in Photoshop. Does that make sense? Is there a way to do that?
If you close a file in Photoshop and open it again later to continue working, you can no longer undo anything, the history of the working steps (protocol palette) is lost.
However, if you work with masks and different layers, adjustment layers, pattern layers, colour layers, gradient layers and smart filters, you can always adjust, change, add to many image processing settings in Photoshop ... as Mark has shown. (non-destructive image editing).
Alternative to Mark: try passing the image from Lightroom to Photoshop as a Smart Object. In conjunction with the snapshots from Lightroom, this works much better for me.
But work mindfully and carefully so as not to accidentally mess up your edits!
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Hello Mark, what would be in your opinion still the reasons to use Lightroom then?... when you have PS and CR with these most important LR settings already built in?
When you don’t need to do anything that edits the pixels themselves.
I love using the HDR tool in photoshop, I do my basic editing in Lightroom before I do so. 😊
Hi Mark ! thank you for the amazing input !
Question here : If we open the raw file directly in photoshop, by default we come across the camera raw feature (LR features) before we enter the PS workspace, as per my understanding. Is it essential to first open the image in Lr and then migrate the file to PS ? Am I doing it wrong?
Hi there, no you don’t have to open the image in lightroom before moving it over to photoshop. Simply open it in photoshop and the image should open in the camera raw workspace.
You can open it in photoshop via camera raw, but remember what you’re doing is outputting a rasterized version which will be saved in a new file (not the raw).
Thanks I am already familiar with everything you said, My Question is What are the Trees in the Photograph, You mentioned Malaysia, I live in Thailand and go to Malaysia often. The photo is stunning and I have never seen those trees. The reflection and trees is amazing. Great shot.
Great explanation, Mark. I mostly do my image enhancements in LR, but turn to Photoshop CC, and now Photoshop (Beta), mostly for Generative AI, for compositing, and for using the many custom brushes (e.g., Adobe provided brushes from Kyle Webster, True Grit Texture, RetroSupply, etc.) that I have. As far as I can tell, there isn't a capability in LR to use such custom brushes.
Hello. It's a very good video. I'd happy to hear more about Photoshop, because I only use PS. There are many videos about PS, but you're a good teacher and u simplify stuff. PS is hard, but has so many possibilities for photographers. Thank you so much for your knowledge.
Many thanks!
Great video today. I am one of those that relies solely on Lightroom and intimidated by Photoshop, however I want to do some things like sky replacements and such. My biggest hesitation is with the cataloging and saving of original photos and edited photos. More video on photoshop would be great.
Thanks so much for the feedback!
I consider myself a lightroom expert but photoshop I rarely use. Great video I will try this approach.. and would love to see more especially like to see the advantages of photoshop over lightroom.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Being an old time Lightroom & Photoshop user from ancient times our original attitude was that when we had that top quality photo that we hoped to frame and sell we started out with Lightroom to do global edits then moved to Photoshop to fine tune with local layered edits. When the photograph was finally finished all layers were retained and it was permanently saved as a PSD file. That way this very special file that I consider my cash cow will be retained with all edits and all layers retained. Even the very first background file you deleted. As a side note, these days a vast majority of photographs can be completed within Lightroom alone. Lightroom has now really cleaned up its show but I haven’t given up on Photoshop.
Thanks Mark. You've heard correct.....you are very good at simplifying complex issues. I use Photoshop far more than I do Lightroom. I really like your discussion on smart filters as I really haven't used them much but I will now. I would really enjoy more photoshop videos from you. I'd also like to see anything you have for dealing with lens flare in the field. I'll shoot 2 images when I'm shooting into the sun - generally say f/16 and f/5.6 or so and then blend in photoshop. Do you have any favorites methods you have for dealing with flare? Hope things are well. Looks like you had a great trip to Indonesia. Nice pic! Tom
Hey Tom! Hope you've been well! And thanks a million for the feedback - Indonesia was amazing! I'll look towards creating something dealing with lens flare:)
A bit off topic but, I was a C1 user until recently. As a landscape and nature advanced photographer, I feel LR offers right now a wider bunch of tools and updates quite often. Masks are far superior, a tool where C1 has remained obsolet for me.
Thanks for the video, Mark
Along with your photography skills, you seem like such a nice fella.