CinemaWins' Pathetic Defense of The Rise of Skywalker | EFAP Highlight
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- The gang rips apart CinemaWins’ poor defense of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, and break down why his style of video-making is bad for media discussion.
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Qui-gon died too early for bacta tanks
Was born too late for force healing.
The poor guy can't get a break.
All he had to do was crawl two rooms back because he left behind 2 instant use medpacks in the secret area.
The poor guy could've survived in Disney's canon. Space Jesus forgive us.
@@XenoSpyromy man knows about the Obi-wan game from back in the day!
Technically we saw a bacta tank in ESB.
very unfortunate, since we also know you normally dont die of stab-wounds too the stomach
The sequel trilogy really came off as a story where two children kept just shouting "Nuh Uh!" At each other's ideas. What an embarrassment to the world of filmmaking.
It's like two toddlers fighting in the sandbox, costing millions of dollars.
J.J saw a big, cool sandcastle made by George so he made a horrible copy, then Rian made poop inside this castle, then J.J tried to remove the poop but smeared all over the sandcastle turning everything into a stinky sand/poop mesh. Both toddlers have left, but the mess still stinks for everyone involved. Better yet, the owner of the sandbox tries to make new stuff while the sand is still infused with the texture and stink of the poo.
It is quite a sight.
It's not just the sequels, it's all of Disney Star Wars. Including the movies, the TV shows, the comics, the novels, and even the video games.
@@TheOwneroftheIC Andor is a well made show and both of the Jedi games are also good.
@@Egurius3 I can only vouch for the first one (and the second one apparently should have had a bit more time based on what I heard about bug issues). Even those have some taint due to alluding to events in the sequel trilogy (Starkiller Base is apparently Illum).
I'd say the core issue all 3 films suffered from was that there wasn't really any kind of coherent and fixed plan for how they would play out, plus they were clearly going too much out of their way almost reset the universe to the underdog rebels fighting a galaxy spanning Empire that controlled everything.
“It was designed to survive space, so it should survive the ocean.”
Oh. This came out a few years before a certain Titanic expedition.
Futurama answered this very well.
Leela: Depth at 45 hundred feet, 48 hundred, 50 hundred! 5000 feet!
Farnsworth: Dear Lord, that's over 150 atmospheres of pressure.
Fry: How many atmospheres can this ship withstand?
Farnsworth: Well it's a spaceship, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one.
@@NoobTamer lmao
C3P0: i cant translate sith language.
Rey: Pretend you were allowed to translate Sith Language, what would it say?
That's a good one 😂
ChatGPT workarounds in a nutshell
Also, why don't they have D0 translated the dagger? He's literally a SITH droid. But no, JJ wanted to bait us with C3P0's "death." He invents some BS about why R2-D2 can't make a backup because his memory is "notoriously unreliable" even though he stored the entire technical plans of a Death Star in his memory. Also, the "droid smith" apparently has no way to make a backup copy of a droid. That's just really awful writing.
Finn: "That's dumb. What kind of idiot built you?"
C3P0: "That would be Anakin Skywalker, if the stories I've heard from Master Luke are to be believed."
Rey: "You mean Darth Vader built you to not be able to read Sith language?
I like how Drinker said “the NEXT TIME I mug someone”. Typical Scot.
The Scottish take the term "side hustle" very seriously
You haven't experienced Scotland until you've been the victim of a drunken mugging
Least violent Scotsman.
Least violent Scotsman.
I'm on a train from Glasgow as I read this. Can confirm.
It doesn’t matter how many limits you put on force heal. If it exists it invalidates Anakin’s motivation in the prequels.
I agree, but why were they in the KOTOR games? (Yes I know they are set 4000 years before, don't you think someone could have prolonged the knowledge of that power?)
@MundaneThingsBackwards how is wanting to save the love of your life not a good motivation?
@MundaneThingsBackwards oh ok that's definitely fair
@@gurmyigoll3535 Force Heal in-game added chunks taken from your health bar, but in EU lore, it required a trance for self-heal and was very much not an instant fix for anything.
Went through some of the lore and I think I can conclude that force healing wouldn't help. Force healing fixes physical injuries, not psychological. Padme had no chance after Anakin betrayed her, so she gave up.
Rise Of Skywalker is genuinely one of the worst films I've ever seen. Star Wars or not. I had to watch it in two sittings. No way could I get through it in one.
I had a buddy who, no joke, had to excuse himself in the theater to go throw up in a trash can. Not for some soy fan boy reason. Rather, the ridiculous pace jumping from scene to scene literally made him nauseous to the point of vomiting.
I’m not even being dramatic when I say that the movie ruined my view of the world at the time. I was 16 when it came out and it was the first time I’ve ever looked around me and said, “Wow. There truly are evil people who ruin things people love. The world is unfair and there’s nothing I can do about it.”
@@hpw101 glad to know i wasnt the only one who got motion sickness from it. All the wild movement of that movie gave me a headache and dizzy, but not quite to throw up levels thankfully.
@@hungtotheover3385 I'm very curious in your perspective, were you not already slightly numbed from The Last Jedi?
It doesn't even feel like a movie tbj, more like a compilation of things happening out of nowhere
CinemaWins: [Speaks]
Rags: Oh, fuck off!
And he's right.
@@Zepher0987 Yep.
Go away now!
Watching Cinema Wins content is like watching someone hand out participation medals with an "Atta boy" and a pat on the head to someone who didnt even participate.
Anybody with taste: *agrees with Rags*
The crackpot theory: "Finn was trying to tell Rey she was a Palpatine before she died(???).
The PR lie: "He was trying to tell her he was force sensitive."
The Truth: Disney shot multiple versions of RoS and tested them with different audiences. The Chinese CCP didn't like the black guy getting the girl at the end so Disney cut that version but didn't want to pay for/ ran out of time for reshooting the sand trap scene.
That "pretend it's what you wanted" quote STILL pisses me off.
He is basically saying "gaslight yourself" to enjoy a movie.
I do think though that going into a movie with no expectations is better for a viewing experience. With music/movies i dont like looking at any of the leaks or trailers just cause i dont like theorizing what i think will happen i just wanna appreciate what is there. BUT in this case fuck allat cause this movie is a trainwreck, the minute i heard they brought palpatine back i never even wasted my time with this movie because it fundamentally undoes the point of the actual star wars saga which was anakins redemption.
Imagine using that in court:your honor yes I forced myself on her and violated her without consent...but pretend that's what she wanted.
@@aurianzarrineh2633 hard disagree. Going in with no expectations makes no sense. Why should I not go into a movie expecting something good?
32:46
Mauler "I don't see how you could make Rey fall to the dark side, I don't see how you could do it"
That's the thing. It *IS* impossible. Before the movie came out, Jar Jar Abrams said in an interview that "Rey was the ultimate force of good" which would simply make it impossible.
Did he actually say that ? Could you link the place where he said that, because holy damn that’s an admission he wrote a Mary Sue if there ever was one.
Yup. When they show Scary Rey in the ROS trailer, I thought, "Nope. That's trailer bait. There is no way Rey will turn to the dark side. In the last two movies, she has never done anything that's even mildly unpleasant."
Us: “Finn wanted to say he loves Rey”
JJ: “Finn wanted to say he’s Force Sensitive”
CW: “Finn wanted to say she’s a Palpatine”????
that is legit the dumbest interpretation of that scene, like how in the fuck would he even know...?
@@sinoxilurk4126 Exactly. Just brainless over reaching to trying and convince himself the film is good
Why would you tell someone that they’re related to Hitler right before you’re both about to die 😂
Especially when he’s a joke of a stormtrooper who is…a janitor put on a hit squad….boy those movies were pathetic
Finn wanted to say “I knocked up Rose, can you use Force Abort on her?”
Sins is too lazy to not make the same jokes he has been making for 10 years and actually give people his opinions but he can Sin a bad movie into oblivion and his jokes are funny the first time you hear them if he isn't just throwing an obscure boomerism at you.
Wins lacks the mental capabilities and reasoning to accurately tell you why a movie is good. His Joker video turned into calling Lord of the Rings badly written. He is so immeasurable worse than Sins at what he does.
Wins is about as great at complimenting movies as Spongebob is at driving a boat.
its to be expected when you're a shadow of something.
It's like the happy videogame nerd.
@@swainblaine1609 didn't know that existed
exactly.@@denkerbosu3551
@@swainblaine1609 Nah. I think he could have done literally anything and suck balls at it. The idea of CinemaWins isn't bad, he just can't understand concepts necessary for critique.
The fact the guy starts with "just pretend it's good!" says how much copium he is on to try and convince others the movie isn't a flaming pile of shit along with the entire Disney trilogy.
Saying "My favorite meal is unprocessed human shit because I pretend it's Chicken Risotto," is not an argument that makes sense.
Or he is trying to find the good in something he may not like. Seriously, I didn't like Rise of Skywalker, but it doesn't mean everyone hates it.
@@Raiders1917 There is a point where you just have to admit something sucks instead of trying to make up some excuses for it to soften the blow it gets.
The funny part to me is if I have to pretend it's what I wanted to enjoy it, that premise by necessity admits that none of the "wins" are things people would enjoy in good faith.
At best it's basically an admission that the movie offers nothing to enjoy and this whole thing is a hypothetical for the channel to make content. More cynically it's toxic positivity of saying "don't acknowledge negative reception and just pretend we liked the bad movie" or trying to pull a gotcha of "see we named all this good stuff, it can't be all bad."
Incidentally, does Wins ever "remove" wins for egregiously bad writing, the way Sins removes Sins for standout good/cool moments?
@@Raiders1917 if you have to lie to yourself to “find the good” in it, then you’re not being sincere, which completely invalidates the action of “finding”, because you’re not actually trying to find anything good. You’re just lying to yourself and pretending that the bad is the good. Your whole argument is mute bro. Everyone not hating is not the issue here. Are you paying attention at all? The issue is the actual quality of the film, not whether everyone hates it or not. Keep up dude. It’s like you’re not even on the same planet as the rest of us…. We’re on Earth btw.
Everyone who tries defending the sequel trilogy always act like they're walking on eggshells so they don't defend their rabid fanbase or not to upset Disney. It's pathetic how far they go to justify the bad writing. They would never do this to anything else unless 'current year' tells them it's good.
On eof my friends told me, if I don't like the sequels, why don't I make my own...
"The Death Star was built to be in Space so of course it can survive the elements"
It is literally the opposite. Come on, try and put a Space Ship into a Deep Ocean. Hey, it can survive space so it can of course survive the ocean. A lot of the big space ships in Star Wars are built in Space cause they literally cant even function in atmosphere
As Futurama put it:
"How many atmospheres of pressure can the ship withstand Professor?"
"Well it's a spaceship, so anywhere between zero and one."
@@GeordieSwordsman I love that scene. Was exactly what I was thinking of with my comment
Lol you don't even need to use a spaceship. Literally just put anything in the ocean for a long period of time without maintenance and it'll fall apart.
What's hilarious is in the Star Wars universe they use different vehicles or even tamed wildlife to move through the oceans of planets. They don't just pilot a Star Destroyer into a sea mission like a bunch of morons
If a moon sized object crashes into a moon, or earth sized body, the collision would raise the temperature into hundreds of degrees over boiling and sterilize ALL land-based life, and likely most, or all, sea based life. The "wreck" would have vaporized completely... even if it was made of unobtainium. Jar Jar never does ANY research into his ridiculous story beats and this idea is amongst the MOST stupid in all of film.
"The lightsaber deserves more respect"
It's like JJ wants us to forget that Luke was the one who threw it away in The Last Jedi. A simple "I was wrong about the Jedi" would have been less insulting to the viewer
Doesn’t help that you can hear Hamill stifling a laugh as he says it.
Didn't he literally say, "I was wrong" after Rey asks him about his change of outlook? I could be misremembering it.
I think JJ had MUCH different plans for Luke in "The Force Awakens." The first move literally ends on Rey, handing Luke his lightsaber. Notice how Luke Skywalker is wearing white Jedi Robes in that scene. At this point, we know nothing about Luke, so Rian Johnson could have taken Luke's character anywhere he wanted to. Instead, Rian has Luke do a pointless costume change out of his white outfit into his brown Hobo robes, which he wears for the rest of the movie. Rian's got plans for Luke and we are NOT going to like them.
I think Rian Johnson is just a nihilist, who likes to destroy what other people have made. Think about the way he ended "The Last Jedi." At the end of the movie, the Rebels have been reduced to a few dozen people and the Millennium Falcon. Rian even goes out of his way to point out that the Rebels contacted the Republic for help and NO ONE was coming. He also kills off the trilogy's main hero and villain. In the second movie. Where can another writer possible take things from here? If I were deliberately trying to destroy the franchise, "The Last Jedi" is exactly the kind of movie I would write.
@@KneelB4Bacon
That is true but JJ had to write the Star Wars movie after episode 8 and had to take the Luke from Last Jedi as the bases
@@KneelB4Bacon I think most, and I use the term loosely, _creatives_ in hollywood are nihilists. "I think is just a nihilist, who likes to destroy what other people have made." can describe like 99% of bullpen of todays writing.
13:51 Know what's not in space? Corrosive water, like ocean water.
Does Wins not realize people every day hear things they like or relate to be criticized or lambasted by others?
I’m a Republican and a Catholic, trust me, iv heard LOTS of people say LOTS of things about both all my life. Hell, iv even criticized them myself when i believe it warranted.
Just tell your critics to pretend Catholicism and conservative politics are what they wanted and... see how they feel?
How the hell are you a Repub *and* Catholic?
That's the thing with being Republican or Democrat. You can sometimes disagree with whatever side you're on just like disagreeing with the opposing side.
Well I for one am glad you are in support of the Republic, Palpatine really dragged them down and I wish you good luck with your addiction.
What? What do you mean republican and catholic mean different things?
Sounds like the best way to go. Idk what's the problem. @@David_the_Psalmist
Stuckmann refuses to say that bad movies are bad. Wins goes one better and insists that bad movies are good. Badly.
I'm sure Stuckman will regress into this way of thinking soon enough, he's on the slippery slope towards this type of thinking already
Stuckmann wants to enter the Hollyweird club, so any criticism towards their circus means burning bridges.
Well...and this is true...Fortnite players knew Palpatine was returning...and that still pisses me off to this day.
Like....WHO MADE THAT CALL?!
I still cannot help but cackle at the stupidity of that decision.
@gs4011 I even play the game and I was like....WHAT ARE WE DOING?!
@@thatcannonguy we truly do live in an amazing time.
Pity the dead who can no longer know such joys.
Well, that game is filled with children and manchildren, seems like the target demographic of these movies.
I can at east say Last Jedi was a terrible movie disguised as something more meaningful. Rise of Skywalker however, is one of the most unapologetically bad films I’ve ever seen. It feels like a joke film and I’ve never seen something that felt so blatantly thrown together. I genuinely think anyone that appreciates film should watch TROS just to understand how low it set the bar.
True. TLJ is at least a massive swing and a miss from a deluded director. ROS is just corporate trash. Awful.
@@muteseek99 "watching money burn" has never been more applicable.
The scene where YMS showed up at the end and called The Emperor baby garbage causing him to explode into lightening was my favourite part of the movie, even sequel haters agree that moment was pure cinema.
Scorcese was in my cinema, and he stood and clapped at that moment
YMS had to do it, The Emperor was uploading his speech in 1040p without subtitles.
A good analogy for the CinemaWins review is - a man attempting to eat a bowl of fresh diarrhea whilst desperately trying to convince onlookers that he is eating Beef Wellington that has been cooked by the world's best chef.
Saying "My favorite meal is unprocessed human shit because I pretend it's Chicken Risotto," is not an argument that makes sense.
This refusal to hate a Star Wars project, to defend it at all costs, reminds me a little of 1990 when Godfather III came out. No one wanted to really admit that the film was a disappointing denouement to the trilogy...
Hot take, but I think Godfather II wasn't ecen good. Most people just pretended to like it because they didn't want to be "the one guy" who didn't.
The first stage of grief is Denial. When you really looked forward to something, there's a kneejerk resistance that you could have been that wrong. I remember hearing a sh*tload of people who saw the midnight 1st showing of The Dark Knight Rises saw it the next day _because they couldn't believe it was so dumb._ They had to have missed something... but most people/most films get over it in 10 minutes, half an hour tops. These bozos cling to it like a religion.
Hot take: People can like things you don't like.
Cinema Wins - "I dream of being able to live in a world where people can say it's ok to like TROS."
Me - "What a cheap dream."
He rubs the genie lamp just to wish for that.
"I hope your dream comes true."
"Thank you! I hope everyone recognizes how good The R-"
"Your dreams stinks. I was talking to her."
I dream that people can say it's ok to like TROS
That's a dream. My dream is that we live in a world that has removed poverty, systemic racism, has implemented price caps on pharmaceutical corporations, and has controlled the damage caused by climate change. But no, let's just hope that people can openly love terrible movies because, consumption rules. I thought these people were progressives, they're more pro-corporation than a Reagan=nomics follower.
CinemaWins is such a tiresome channel. I can respect someone that goes through and tries to find positives in things that are unpopular or are just bad, but you have to actually be able to assess what elements are good. CinemaWins doesn't do that. He literally just points out a shot, or a line, or whatever and says "this is good because ... it just is, okay?"
Literally not what he does at all lol😅
IT'S GOOD!!!!! 😭😭😭
@@cliffrobinson5943the dude said to pretend it’s what you wanted to like, you’re a clown.
While I don't hate CinemaWins, they are pretty much the personification of the toxic positivity problem in film discourse. People like CinemaWins, and a lot of CW's fans don't really value movies in a traditional sense. They don't like movies, they like the IDEA of liking movies. They think that the only way to enjoy a movie is to just be mindlessly positive towards it. As for negativity, the mere THOUGHT of being negative towards a film is the bane of their existence. They may say that they don't mind negativity, and might even hate some movies themselves, but they prefer their negativity to be tucked away, buried deep inside, never to be revealed, and the few movies they hate are films that are insanely uncontroversial to hate, like Rise of Skywalker or Quantumania. They genuinely can't understand the idea of people like EFAP enjoying making fun of movies, because they genuinely can't understand it. In there mind "Joy=Positive, Anger=Negative, Negative is opposite of positive, Positive= Good, therefore Anger=bad" They can't understand the idea of enjoying the act of tearing apart bad media, so they rationalize it as us being angry manchildren obsessed with negativity, when really, they're spineless manchildren obsessed with positivity. That's why these people love channels like CinemaWins and Chris Stuckmann. Because they validate their fake positive outlook on life, by feeding them mindless, positive slop. Now, I don't think that Stuckmann or Wins are bad or malicious in any way, but their actions are being used by their fans to validate their mindless echochamber, and attack people like us that aren't part of that echochamber.
Also, The ArchCast recently made a great response to CinemaWins' Starship Troopers video. Highly reccomend checking it out!
This perfectly sums up this situation. I've heard the phrase "they don't like X, they like the IDEA of liking X" before. Specifically with Kramer from Living Anachronism criticised the Rings Of Power. The people who blindly enjoy things and say things as basic as "oh yeah it was good", don't actually enjoy media, for the reasons fans do. And it's arguably worse than the people who just genuinely don't like something. Because at least the people who genuinely dislike a movie or another piece of media know where they stand. There's also a difference between enjoying something, despite its flaws and refusing to acknowledge any of the issues in a piece of media, particularly if said media has had a lot of both concise and clear criticism and issues
“Pretend for a watch through that it’s what you wanted and see how you feel”.
I have never felt such a sense of defeat from a statement. The perfect encapsulation of toxic positivity.
You can justify anything with that, and I’m not even just talking about bad writing.
It gives me goosebumps, imagining a person that would live with this as their guiding light.
Sounds like Suckman...
@@nhagan001 That thought experiment isn't dictating to you how you should feel-- it's proposing a mindset from which negative thoughts can still arise.
@@seg162 would it though? Negative thoughts could arise, but when you’re outright overriding them into positive thoughts, what would that look like?
If I went to translate to movies, it would be a person that “likes everything”, questions nothing, and moves onto to the next thing to watch.
It would be paradoxical to me: if “pretend it’s what you wanted and see how you feel” was put into practice, where would you put the thoughts that you had to alter?
Would they be a landfill of all your doubts, negative thoughts, and disagreements with the media you consumed?
I remember when CinemaWins first started. I thought it would be cool if they took terrible movies and sarcastically tried to make them sound like they were good movies, but I think the channel owners legitimately just loves terrible movies. It's not funny or clever. It's just some dork trying to convince people that the terrible movies he loves aren't terrible.
Ironically defending bad movie is okay.
Unironically showcasing the very best elements of bad movies is okay.
Unironically defending bad movies by pretending they’re good ? … Yeah how about you piss off -_-
He doesn't love terrible movies, he loves seeing himself as superior to those who don't like things. People like him confuse "positivity" with covering your gas gauge so you won't be reminded you're almost out of gas.
You know… the EU had force healing, too. Except from what I’ve read, it was a “healing trance”. Meaning that whoever was doing it was basically a meditation trance, and implying that it took a while. I remember Luke doing it in his X-Wing and having R2 pilot for him.
Damn, the US never gets any of the good stuff.
@@Clownacy
We did get it. EU=Expanded Universe for Star Wars.
Exactly. It was mainly a mechanic for video games to justify being able to replenish HP. In actual lore it was almost always a highly limited ability that often would not really be used on oneself. It could be used to numb pain and heal minor injuries, not to casually repair gaping holes in people’s torsos.
You know what bothers me? Something Nobody Does? That shot with the dagger and the death star. Do you have any idea how BIG that chunk is?
The Death Star was about 99 miles in diameter, on the low end. On the low end, the dish that fired the laser was about 8 MILES across. Mount EVEREST is about FOUR MILES above SEA LEVEL. That chunk of Death Star KILLED ALL LFE ON THE PLANET WHEN IT HIT. It hit the water, meaning a THOUSAND FOOT HIGH TIDAL WAVE washed over the world... multiple times in all directions. The sky would STILL be filled with dust.
Whatever it is made of is impossible, but whatever it is, it somehow survived the impact with a PLANET. That chunk of Death Star is lying at an angle away from us, so I think it's reasonable to be half the height. So, it is MOUNT EVEREST from the water line to the top. God knows how deep it goes. Furthermore, that chunk is somehow... HOLLOW? meaning that it is basically an ENTIRE CITY WORTH OF SPACE TO EXPLORE just... sitting there.
Lord knows how much is BELOW water. That whole chunk is just stupid.
Not to mention that both the death stars were incinerated into atoms anyway, so how is there like a quarter of it just chilling on a planet? And how does the dagger line up with the jagged pieces? It is truly unbelievable.
What about scavengers? The Death Star was sitting there for 30+ years and no one thought about taking all the stuff that could be there? In the same continuity that shows Rey scavenging dead Star Destroyers? What a joke.
@@SammEater That too!
Why have it be the death star in the first place? None of the characters could even recognise it as the entire thing was built and destroyed before they were even born so it has no real connection to them, making it pointless to be the death star as you already had the star destroyer ruin in TFA, the mini drath star laser in TLJ and the death star destroyers in this movie. They've already extracted what you can do with the death star before this so having it has no appeal. They easily could have changed it to just one of the emperor's palaces/imperial fortresses that's been abandoned as it's so hard to get to and the intial new republic sweep of the place turned nothing special or of real value apart from nothing apeared to be sabotaged or scuttled, just empty as if it was never used. You could even have a tidbit that it was constructed somehere else and then was moved to its current position.
Nothing in the plot changes and you dont have all the problems that come making it the death star. Heck the knife makes more sense as it could have been made alongside the place and when sheev was alive. It would then allows you to have it make more sense by having a spot you use the knife on marked with some sort of symbol as it was planned out for this and you could also make it also function as a key to the room that the knife points to.
In the current narrative the person/people who made the knife went and scoped out and found out where the maguffin is and didn't go "hey this is a really bad place to keep something like this if we actually need it for some reason and there's only 2 of these, why don't we instead take it with us so we can put it somewhere safer and more accessible like a sith temple? We made the effort to get here to confirm the maguffin is here and not in some Flooded or collapsed section of wreck and we're not going to take it? Just saying, a sith temple that we know the jedi have entere would mean that they think thermy already know whats in it that they wouldn't explore and then discover it and all the darkside presence would mean they dont want to go back to it or keep a guard there, it would be hidden under their noses" The door may have been an issue but they would of had salvaging equipment to cut into it that would be needed to travel the wreck as you dont know if the doors would still be functioning or Hallways be accessible due to them either being collapsed on impact or flooded with the water. You'd then need to cut into the walls and make your own way to the place.
@@mikzpwnz_3199 Because JJ Abrams is a fraud and his Mystery Box was always empty, so the only way to make an ending to that mess of a trilogy was to pander to nostalgia.
I didn’t know Palpatine was coming back until the title crawl and I immediately said WTF and started laughing.
It was kind of a good thing because I was able to write off the entire film within the first few seconds and therefore everything else could just be laughed at.
Ahh yes. The ultimate way to enjoy movies. Delude yourself into thinking they’re good, regardless of context and content! Repress and reimagine. The way to a healthy mind.
I personally don't like movies that insult my intelligence, thanks.
The movie isn't insulting your intelligence, the makers of the movie are.
Pretend it doesn't insult your intelligence, and see how you feel.
@@manoz6194 so the movie is insulting your intelligence. Are you dense?
My dad didn't even watch the trailer before we went to see 9. He actually shouted "shut the fuck up" when the opening crawl started
There's such a thing as toxic positivity, and Wins loves doing it
(Also, if Elrond had killed Isildur and taken the ring, then Elrond would have the ring and been unable to throw it in for the same reason - because the ring's power is too much for anyone to bear at that proximity to Sauron's power. Elrond says "the strength of men failed" but when the ring is at Rivendell he doesn't put it in his pocket and start hiking to Mordor because he knows it would ruin him, too.)
29:10 Isildur and Elrond are also (distant) cousins, both descendants of Beren and Luthien. I can't remember it ever coming up, but I suspect kinslaying is a big no-no in Middle-Earth.
What’s so wrong with Palpatine returning? Hello, you get to look at Palpatine!
I can look at Palpatine just fine in better films!
It’s more so how he returns
As it stands now what is to stop him from returning again?
Hello
Why are you still talking about palpatine, Dune is out !
The Lore is deep with this one
The death star is in such good shape that you'd expect that thousands of soldiers and officers would have survived the crash along with countless droids
Finn: Rey! I have to tell you something! I did not care for The Godfather.
I'll still never forget not knowing palpatine was back, reading that first line and facepalming
"THEY CAN'T F**K UP EVERYTHING!"
- Rags, 2024
"Hold my beer."
- Madame Web, 2024
How dare you, Missus Webb is the greatest film of the century
In reference to the part where he's talking about the death star and waves vs space i have to bring up a great moment in futurama. I forget the episode, but its early in the running where the planet express ship gets pulled underwater by a mammoth bass or something, and Fry asks how many atmospheric pressures the ship can withstand, and the proffesor promptly says, "well, its a spaceship, so roughly about one." So yeah, building a structure to withstand vacuum and weatherless conditions is incredibly different than building for an unknown environment with atmospheric pressure and weathering conditions. This is by far on of the worst points he made in his video's while trying to use logic.
A vessel built for space travel has to compensate for a positive pressure differential. The space inside the vessel is pressurized, while the surrounding environment is not. A vessel designed for underwater travel needs to deal with the exact opposite.
It is like someone somewhere snapped their fingers and a majority of people just stopped thinking. Now you must like certain things or you are the enemy.
its funny that cinemawins says he went looking for more sincere points. Aside from saying his early videos were insincere, but the points in his new video are very insincere as well. Many of his wins can only be a result of him lying.
Not to mention the Death Star remains are on some random planet, not the forest moon.
When our heroes infiltrate the Star Destroyer to rescue Chewbacca, I thought, "Great. Maybe they'll finally make use of Finn's Stormtrooper knowledge and experience to infiltrate the ship, defeat alarms, unlock cells . . ."
But nope. Apparently, First Order Security was totally unprepared for Finn, Rey and Po's "Rush Out of the Ship and Kill Everything" plan.
Wow. Cinemawins was the source for "Pretend its a movie you wanted to see." I never got around to seeing this EFAP, but that meme was such a classic for a long while.
"Pretend for a watch through that it's what you wanted and see how you feel."
In other words:
"Lie to yourself"
It's actually what people keep doing, but this is the first time it's actually been admitted directly and the only reason for someone to ask this of you is that they can't handle negative opinions of the film.
It's very immature and unhealthy.
Moral of the Story (according to CinemaWins): ‘Gaslighting is good if you’re enjoying yourself’
CinemaWins: Gaslighting you into gaslighting yourself since 2019
I get the same feeling in that ending that I did when trying to discuss Nerflix ATLA with my sister, I said it was bad and that theu missed the point. She said it is not *that* bad the movie was the bad thing, and then recommended her friend watch the original cartoon instead of the Netflix one. It's like she knows it's bad, but, just can't admit it
What makes people shill for movies like this and billion dollar companies? Do they actually get paid for it? Or do they just say the stupidest thing in hope of getting attention?
I think it's because these IPs used to be good, it used to be cool to like them. So some people will do anything they can to be a part of the "cool guys" even though it's been years since it's lost all it's original magic. Like, it used to be cool to like Star Wars, so all the normies showed up wanting to be a part of the community and didn't realize that all the "cool kids" have already left.
They made the brand a part of their personality, meaning any flaws of those projects are a flaw in them as a person. So they must defend it with tooths and nails.
godlessness and brainwashing
now the highest authority is the government they were molded to obey willingly and unequivocally
taught to hold multiple contradicting beliefs at once and repeat them to erode any sense of objectivity
the perfect slave, the ideal citizen
This whole Cinemawins video is “Don’t think, just consume product, then get excited for next product!”
"The knife generally works." Not even slightly. At that point he lost all credibility.
The wreckage of a space station in a massive ocean is not an immovable unchanging mountain. For the knife to work you'd need the exact right spot, the exact right direction, the wreckage to never change significantly, the crust of the planet to remain consistent despite the massive impact it took, the waves and rain to never cause any damage to any of the interior bits and someone had to MAP THIS, when huge portions of it would be melted slag.
Indeed. Not to mention there is no way there is any wreckage left when both death stars were completely atomized.
@@devinschexnayder7440 Yeah, they both turned to dust on-screen.
I didn't see any "chunks" that could have made it relatively intact.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Oh f*ck me, that will be the next thing they change when they release another special edition.
Swotor and the EU handled the Healing issue a lot better than the Sequels.
Yup. Clear rules, limitations and some of those powers belong to the dark side, so they come with a terrible price to pay. Additionally, most of the talented Jedi healers had to focus nearly all their time and dedication to that craft and little else.
@@RenegadeVile Yeah, it's like how the only healers in Atla were a subset of Waterbenders who normally focus all their talents into the craft. Katara is an anomaly, but it's fine because she's the only one in the world with that feature.
32:30 Anybody who would think there's the slightest chance that Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert character would turn out to be the secret villain in the making hasn't been paying much attention to the world around them.
I think a funny clip could be from EFAP 91 Ghostbusters 2016 is actually good when they start talking about how the Nick choice awards are the best indicator for quality of a film and see what won during other years. I believe it starts around 2:33:50 and had a good laugh when listening to it yesterday. Thanks for all the great work you do!!
When he mentioned Rise of Skywalker I literally thought "maybe a nomadic tribal who only ever saw the one movie could have it as their favourite", because I didn't know what kind of derangement a regular movie watcher would need to have for it to be their favourite. Right as I pondered the kind of deranged individual, Wins chimed in with "That's me!"
Force healing was literally THE THING Anakin wanted to know!!
If the Jedi had known about It then all of the second and third prequel movies didn't need to happen.
My fiancée’s work got us early tickets for RoS. I also traditionally see the Star Wars movies with my dad in theaters. That second viewing was one of the most painful movie experiences I’ve ever had lmao. It’s so long and nonsensical.
You do not pressure a ring bearer who is teetering. If Elrond tried to force Isildor to cast the ring in, Isildor would probably put on the ring or attack Elrond. Both bad
13:51 - incorrect. Space vessels can actually be built rather flimsily compared to vehicles designed to work in an atmosphere/gravity.
Isaac Arthur covers this regularly.
A submarines are far sturdier that the average NASA vessel and could survive the rigors of space better than the other way around.
I loved Shads breakdown of the stupid lightsaber switchblade. It doesnt make sense unlike the double bladed lightsaber. The lightsaber cross guard sucks because its established that when lightsabers clash theres a magnetic field locking them in place or something. So theres already no point other than “looks cool man”
This guy is such a slave to Star Wars that he’s willing to lie to himself to enjoy it. It’s literally an abusive relationship where the abused is gaslighting himself
I mean there is a difference between being open minded and positive and toxic positively and denying any flaws with it.
So open minded their brain falls out
When his defense is literally gaslight yourself...
"Every movie is someone's favorite"?! Boy we are gonna need a citation for that claim. It seems contrary to logic, statistics and reason.
CinemaWins apparently unironically loves The Room
Pretend it's what you want and see how you feel? Does that apply to s***** assault, maiming, torture and genocide as well? Perception could indeed be reality if only we all stuck to this beautiful mantra.
CinemaWins exists so Eric Butts can feel better about himself when his wife is in "Spa".
29:32 Not even that, if Elrond had killed Isildur and taken the ring he would have been corrupted himself
What's insane to me is that Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi were *worse* than this film. I didn't know it was possible to get any worse than ROS, but they did it.
I don’t need to pretend Bad Teacher is an amazing work of art to enjoy it.
This need to justify liking things by having everyone need to find it amazing is so lame.
I like Adam sandler movies, I’m not going to pretend they’re good but I like them
So sad around 30 mins in when drinker wants to tell mauler he loves him but he bottles out and they just move on
If there's one thing I adore more than anything when watching a Star Wars video, it's arbitrary comparisons to Lord of the Fucking Rings.
This is what a Disney Star Wars fan is now. "Don't question and consume content" RLM.
A lot of people diss on the old Legends story Dark Empire yet they’ll defend this movie while dark empire actually had foreshadowing of the clones and Palpatine with Jedi Master Sabbaoth and Thrawn using the clone facility of Weyland(which was a store house for the emperor) so it made sense that the emperor came back and you got the reason why he came back in a clone body and what his goal is. If they had just foreshadowed his return like that it wouldn’t have been as jarring
This
Dark Empire, as cheesy at it was, was merely a comic line that just showed us the end of Luke's journey to become the new Grandmaster of the Jedi.
TROS is actual, calculated franchise destruction.
"Yo! DA! Mhrmm Here I Am" that deserved a much better reaction than they gave it
Force Healing existed in the oldef canon, but not like this. It usually required intense meditation to achieve, and a lot of the time the user required special objects to aide them. It aldi took a bit of time to do. A good example is Spider-Man's regenerative abilities. It wasn't super hearling, but just an acceleration on natural processes.
Sins is infinitely better than wins. It is completely inoffensive the way they just nitpick out whatever flaws they can, because that's the point. Wins is problematic in how everythingnjeeds a deep explanation for why it's actually good and you're wrong if you disagree.
Simply put, in a fight between Wins and Sins, Wins is easily the worse critic. Obviously when Sins had the advantage with MoM, he wiped the floor with Wins. But Wins barely squeaked by when he had the advantage with TLW. Hell, Wins said more insanely insulting shit in that bout than ANYTHING Sins said.
I get it, Sins had some badly formulated takes. But he didn't shit all over animation as a storytelling medium like Wins did.
I'm calling it, there will be light saber nunchakus in the next opus
You know, between the titles and descriptions for these clips, it's interesting seeing how Wolf's reactions to those moments bleeds through.
It was especially funny with the Synthetic Man clip in light of his mention of Wolf, as MauLer's guess was proven 100% right.
Sins is merely dumb, while Wins is also preachy.
Yeah but the OT ISN’T still there. You have to go find Harmy’s despecialized to avoid Lucas’s later additions.
"Pretend like you want it and you might like it"... I really didn't expect advice given to girls on Harvey Weinstein's casting couch to make this video.
Starting off the review with "pretend this is a good movie and you might like it" is bold. I'll pretend that I'm even going to countenance this idea just for that.
"No one ever made an Everything Wrong with CinemaWins"
I'm glad EFAP is here to change that with the VS series.
"pretend it's what you wanted" this gem always cracks me up :D
"Water and space are two very different things."
--Galaxy-Brain Mauler
"That's not really a sacrifice."
This is correct, in the Dark Empire comics, Palpatine offered to teach Luke the ways of the Dark Side, of which he agrees to do this in order to use said knowledge against the Sith.
Palpatine SUCCESSFULLY turns Luke to the Dark Side, Palpatine's plan worked, the only reason he didn't win was Leia (And her VERY Strong in The Force Child currently in her Womb helping her.) Coming to bring his ass back to The Light Side.
Ironically as a result, Luke's overall goal was successful.
He gained the knowledge he needed to combat the Dark Side more effectively, and in the greater canon he includes it in his teachings for his order.
Just wanted to say that I've really been enjoying the curated content on this channel! Keep it up!
…Does Wins think splash-downed space capsules are not eroded by saltwater?
Actually things designed to exist in space are usually protected against radiation and reentry, and have barriers (Whipple shields) to protect from meteor impacts, and that's it-and if it's a space station like a Death Star it won't even be rated for reentry.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't something as large as half the death star and traveling through space at the insane speeds of a nuclear explosion either crack a planet or cause a millennia-long fallout? Either way, water and life would not exist on said planet if it managed to stay in one piece, making the whole "withstand the elements" argument moot.
I always get stuck on the fact that it just settled into the planets ocean and stayed put. I like to picture the knife guy going to the spot and drawing out exactly what he wanted the dagger to look like. Then taking that drawing to a metal smith to fashion his blade. Then taking it to the planet and double checking. I imagine it took a few tries to get the hidden piece to line up exactly right.
Hey wolf are you ever up for returning to an efap or is it just special occasions like the anniversary?
He's probably the most comfortable behind the scenes, but I would lie if I said that I wouldn't love to have him back once every maybe every 10 episodes or so, to talk about something he has a passion for.
I have no intention of making further appearances. I don't think I mesh with the format of the show very well, and think it best to just keep to the sidelines.
@@EFAPHighlightsRegardless, thank you for the quality work you’ve already done and continue to create!
I like the idea now that he's still part of EFAP in spirit by handling the clips channel.
@@EFAPHighlightsNever say never, Wolf. But know we love and appreciate your work on these highlights.
"Imagine this is what you wanted in the film" is the movie equivalent of "pray the gay away".
"pretend....it's what you wanted" is saying the quiet part out loud
As far as I remember force healing in the books ,Jedi Healer mainly, force healing basically stimulated the bodies natural healing ability. It did take a lot of control, focus and importantly time. It wasnt instant it just helped you recover faster.