Anakins actor was bullied by other children at school and has Schizophrenia, JarJars actor was attacked by activists because they thought JarJar was a racist caricature. “Muh hecking toxic fans” were just a scapegoat.
Disneys paid shills will desperately Latch on to ANYthing they can possibly use to make themselves look morally better than the true fans, like how anytime an actor claims to like TLJ they’ll scream “seeee? Ur all just stoooopid”
Acolyte’s message: “The Jedi are evil all along.” Acolyte’s actual plot: “The Jedi saved a kid from a violent death cult who mind raped one of their padawan and the wookie and transformed into shadowy mist to kill a kid.”
I don't know, man. I think the Padawan was asking for it. I mean, he wanted to go home, and she took him to -her- his home sooner. They're just misunderstood. You wouldn't get her power of manyyyyyyyyyy.
They are incapable of seeing how badass Princess Leia was because she was purposefully objectified that one time by an antagonist against her will It doesn't matter that she fought back and killed her Captor it doesn't matter that she was indispensable in leading the forces of the Rebellion Simply because she was an attractive woman who was victimized nothing she did before or after matters
Ironically it wasn't fans that bullied the Star Wars actors. Anakin's actor was bullied like public schools always have happen and just had schizophrenia (can relate, not easy), and Jar Jar's actor was bullied by the media that pretends Star Wars fans did it.
Exactly. His mother even had to come out and say the lil guy basically had no idea about it all and only ever had a great time on set and that George was extremely patient with him
"The Star Wars universe is a sci-fi wonderland where anything can happen, and anything belongs." No, Star Wars is something quite particular, and you can't just shove anything in it without any care to how it clashes with established rules and story.
Honestly how they’re describing Star Wars could fit (mostly) with some fictional universe’s like Earthworm Jim (kind of) Alice in wonderland and maybe Super Mario but Star Wars is not like that at all.
I don’t believe they watched Rocky because he loses the fight with Apollo. The point of Rocky 1 is proving you can finish what you started by going the distance
It's what i keep saying about jk rowling and trans people. She's constantly, non-stop, attacked by them. Of course, she,s fed up with them, anyone in her situation would think the same.
Someone should tell the writers that we don’t self-identify as toxic, and they need to respect our identity. It’s such a micro aggression to assume our toxicity level.
13:47 hearing "the bad actors" at first i was like is the article talking about dasiy ridley and the like and being truthful? but then i heard more context and was like oh they means the fans again
That's a great point! Princess Leia killed one of the highest level gangsters around. She killed Jabba the Hutt! Never really looked at it that way, but damn that's based....
She strangled him with the very chains that enslaved her. If that's not a legit "strong, female character" than I don't know what is. A pampered princess that won't hesitate to get her hands dirty and fight for her people, leading a rebellion.
And that guy ended up basically being laughed off the internet lol That fucker was literally whitesplaining about why he’s unable to work a 9-to-5 while calling Wendigoon privileged despite Wendigoon having talked about his Native American background and how he’s living in one of the poorest towns in the country. So In Praise of Shadows was literally having that colonizer mentality in him
Being a fan of Star Wars at this point is like being in an abusive relationship. Any problem you have isn’t because of the *_actual_* toxic person in the relationship; it’s because of YOU
Hey fuck that! Jar Jar never blamed the fans he always knew & accepted that we were probably going to be upset. He has even basically confirmed that Darth Jar Jar was the original plan but that after the backlash it was changed, he can't actually say one way or the other outright likely because of possible legal concerns Disney is very trigger-happy with lawsuits. He specifically said that he was driven to contemplating ending it all because of the Media's constant harassment, yeah that's right journos blaming us "filthy peasants" for their evil who would have guessed!
I wasn’t upset. I understood he was meant to be a fool in the traditional sense of the word. Someone who was klutzy but still managed to find success a Mr. Bean in Star Wars.
@@Vaguer_Weevil That was Robot Chicken referencing a fan theory. Fans have speculated since the Phantom Menace Jar Jar was force sensitive on the basis that there was no way he could have caused a massive droid body count during the Battle of the Great Grass Plains by accident.
The fact shills keep this "positive, peak fire bro" vibes going yet the writing is so fucking terrible for recent Disney Star Wars projects, Jesus the delusion. Imagine if the prequels came out now
There’s no way Darth Vader was the second most powerful force user in the galaxy (after Palpatine) if all he could do was force choking. Just look at new force powers introduced in Disney era - Force healing/resurrection - Force self-disintegration into shadowy mist form - Force teleportation - Force skyping - Force flying Vader has none of these.
I have a friend who is suffering from this condition. Its REALLY easy to back them in a corner with questions now. Im confused if she's brand loyal or just tryin to save face in the copium den.
@@andrewmeyer3599 It has to be sheer brand-rot at this point. Desperation to say Disney Wars is not only doing not worse than Prequel Lucas, but better, if not peak Star War.
These article writers act like people loved _everything_ from the OG Star Wars, but they often forget (or straight up don't know) about the much reviled Holiday Special. Plus there was criticism for the Ewoks and their involvement in the battle on Endor.
I know it's par for the course and language might have changed in such a way that this is normal or acceptable now, but the word "attacking" used to mean something I'm sure. Medieval kings didn't get word of an impending "attack" and say "shore up the defenses, we're about to be criticised"
Trying to blame fans for bullying star wars actors in the 90,s when there was no social media is a bit rich is it not when only traditional media had the power to do that
I didn't know that I was supposed to hate the prequels until 2012 or something. I remember being a child and a lot of people liked those movies, even though first one was always seen as mid. RoS was considered by some as the best sw movie ever. Also a lot of children liked Jar-Jar, which is really telling about which demographic hated him. The EU pretty much sold my generation, especially the videogames, for example Battlefront2, a game that to this day is still original compared to other shooters. The toxic fans always existed, sure, but Lucasfilm wasn't actively creating them
28:54 discussing Leia’s connection to her father being “glossed over”….a topic that WAS covered in the EU…the same EU that KK and Disney deemed NON-CANON….lmao can’t make this shit up folks
I mean, she is borderline crying when Luke leaves after telling her the truth about their parentage, so I don't see how they "glossed over" it. The disgust in her voice, when Luke tells her Vader is his father, made it pretty clear how she felt about that. Not having a long, drawn out, scene of Leia talking about her feelings, doesn't mean it wasn't addressed. These people are just too low IQ to pick up on anything that isn't explicitly spelt out for them by the film.
We all already know we’re toxic because we criticize bad writing, bad characters, and terrible plot. We’ve heard it for years now. So when will Disney start making good Star Wars?
Maybe if they stopped knowingly making the exact opposite of what made Star Wars a globally recognized name and started giving fans what everybody knows they want, the fans could stop "viciously attacking" the show makers by telling them that they're not buying the BS they're peddling.
something in accord to what the article discussed: The actor who was most talented at playing "Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde" in the theatre had to go into early retirement bc people thought he was so good in the role, he had to be Jack the Ripper. Yeah, that happened for real, we have evidence of it from that long ago already. Just depressing
We already HAD a Rey trilogy and everyone agrees Rey was the least interesting part of it, WHY IS SHE GETTING ANOTHER ONE!? EVERYONE agreed Finn was wasted, WHY AREN'T THEY DOING A FINN TRILOGY OF HIM BECOMING A JEDI!? They're SO stupid.
Because he's a black man. If he was a white brunette woman (like KK) then Disney would have considered him more (or if he was a black genderfluid lesbian)
I remember that was an actor in eastenders who couldn't walk around for a while since his char in the show had kidnapped woman and people took it so seriously they would scream and shout at him as if he hadn't really done it.
The funny thing is, Deadwood has a better lesbian story than Disney star wars....and it's a fuckin western. These people claim to care about this shit but ignore all of the higher quality examples like Deadwood and Arcane. When they actually get that representation they are nowhere to be found.
"Star Wars is a sci fi wonderland where anything can happen" If literally anything can happen, like say the Enterprise showing up to blast an Imperial Star Destroyer, then it's not Star Wars now, is it?
Messaging stars of shows hate is awful, and the people who do it should be called out. I want the stars to show the messages they've received so we can read them. They have got the messages, right?
I really can't stand this whole rhetoric. The underlying idea is that minorities can't relate to white characters. Some of the biggest weebs on the planet are spanish speakers and black people. I want the racial identity activist to try and explain that to me. What exactly are they relating to in anime, which is 95% japanese people and maybe 4% white character and less than 1% black characters. And on the same point, what about white weebs? What do they relate to exactly, when the overwhelming majority of anime takes in a japanese school setting, something that's as unfamiliar to westerners as possible? And why do so many white people Riley, Huey and grand dad from The Boondocks, a show that's entirely black-centric.
36:16 This is honestly so telling… Writing quality means nothing to these people as long the content checks their own boxes for desired representation/diversity. Doesn’t it seem a bit selfish and narcissistic how many people require 1:1 self insert character in order to actually connect with a narrative? As if relating to any characters struggles and drama just isn’t a possibility? Pretty sad.
Makes me sad that Andor is such a diamond in the rough. how does it have worse numbers than the acolyte?! It’s so good! I feel like discerning viewers had already written off Star Wars as idiotic drivel made for kids after the sequel trilogy was so bad, so when a sophisticated production with complex characters and good writing came along the only people left were a small handful of dedicated fans (who loved it) and a bunch of idiots who would rather watch “Ow my balls!”.
I feel like the Ahmed Best argument lost weight the moment people recognized him in Mando and thought it was nice to see him back in Star Wars. Writing aside, I believe a bunch of these “hateful Star Wars bullies” were happy to see him. I think even in your guy’s coverage on the EFAPTV episodes the reaction was “that’s neat”.
I wish I could be one of these people so bad… is it gay? Is there at least a black? Is there woman? Yes? Boom, awesome movie. That life sounds so serene and simple… yet all of the people that treat storytelling this simply are always deeply unhappy and insufferable people… perhaps chasing the dragon gets tiring when you make it your life’s only goal.
Reminds me of when i was in elementary school, we went to a theater with the class and after all the actors took a bow the villain came out and took a bow himself, we all boo'd cuz well, he's the bad guy. Only years later at a musical i realised how dumb that is. People who give actors shit for their characters never cast off that child-like behaviour.
Funny how they blame the fans for the hate towards the prequels, because, as far as I remember, the SW prequels got mocked by every media Community The Simpsons Fairy Odd Parents Probably many others tv shows And many YouToubers and Influencers who are now defending the Disney Star Wars
1:35 I don't even think Anakin (Hayden) was that bad, he was obviously very young and could've had a better delivery but the dialogue and love story was so cringe. The chemistry with Natalie wasn't very good either.
18:20 You mean the lens of the vast majority of the filmmakers and the audience in the US at the time? The next thing you're going to tell me is you're surprised that Japanese, Korean, and Chinese shows and movies come from a Southeast Asian perspective! 😱
"Star Wars fans are toxic". Then why are they making shows and movies still? Just sell Star Wars back to George if the "fans" are really a problem. I love how they keep making product but when they don't get praised for it they say "Oh the fandom is the problem". Well, the fandom is who you're making the product for... so if they don't like what you make, why bother? XD
31:55 Just thought I'd mention that "the first three Star Wars movies" are in fact _Star Wars,_ _The Star Wars Holiday Special,_ and _The Empire Strikes Back._ So maybe Disney also considers them a guide to the franchise but they're reading the wrong part.
Everytime they keep mentioning actors who has been harassed in the past that isnt just star wars it feels like the list keeps growing. I will always remember one particular one with The Walking Dead. There was a kid actor who.. I think the character's name was Sam? His character was hated, with good reason, but the actor WAS A KID (back in season 6), and after a mid season finale and the return, the character did.. something bad, and the fans went to relentlessly attack him on social media for his character... a KID. People are nasty period, it's not star wars. This people sit in their bubble and think everything is against them... how many times do we have to listen to this over and over and rebuttle with the same things over and over?
btw, not gonna talk about the TWD writing quality anyways, but those episodes were some of the best back in the day because how it followed the comics. TWD was in it's best when it could replicate the comics, then s8 came in and f*d everything up
It even more sad how they have corrupted the newer fans. I saw an video of thrawn legends, how good he was before dave/disney took him and mess him up, commented about it, and got an scolding for putting the "blame on dave" when it should go to Kathleen.
Bro, the person who wrote this article implied leai isnt brave or heroic trying to lift padme up. What a punk. Both are good characters and there was nothing wrong with leia in the OT.
Considering how heavily they leaned into "toxic fandom" as a defense for this show-- the most since TLJ-- The Acolyte may well be the true optical final boss of Disney Star Wars.
The term ‘toxic’ is misapplied to ‘anyone who disagrees with us’ by the usual tolerant bunch, using only the worst examples (as was pointed out, which statiscally must happen) to represent all the opposition, even the mild.
It’s like you’re a classroom teacher but instead of 20 kids you have 20 tv shows to review and critic. one show is acting terribly and you give it pointers in an attempt for positive change. Yet that’s wrong according to Disney shills.
@@Rebelnutt Anakins arc is alright imo, the concept and the way it moves is fine. But I think the way they had him voice things was off and could be strengthened.
If you're going to praise characters and actors exclusively because of their race gender and sexuality I have no sympathy if they're criticized for the same reasons.
Disney screwed up Star Wars and they simp😢need to own up to it. Personally I liked the Star Wars prequels and didn’t have a problem with them. I consider myself a 1977-2012 Star Wars fan.
Ok, this is just clear ideology. They never once say anything positive about any of the current star wars projects outside of diversity, and even the complaints of the bad projects are simply they aren't diverse enough.
Now they portray women through a hyper-masculine lens. So funny that this is how they fixed the problem with those problematic seventies and eighties male dominated smash hits.
Anakins actor was bullied by other children at school and has Schizophrenia, JarJars actor was attacked by activists because they thought JarJar was a racist caricature.
“Muh hecking toxic fans” were just a scapegoat.
Jar jars actor simply did get backlash from fans
@@TrueGamer22887 Yeah, but it was about the character of Jar Jar, not targeting the actor...
Disneys paid shills will desperately Latch on to ANYthing they can possibly use to make themselves look morally better than the true fans, like how anytime an actor claims to like TLJ they’ll scream “seeee? Ur all just stoooopid”
@@TrueGamer22887 The actor never claimed to be harassed by fans and his mental problems he attributed to the media.
@@seanblack1320 you’re describing anakin
Acolyte’s message: “The Jedi are evil all along.”
Acolyte’s actual plot: “The Jedi saved a kid from a violent death cult who mind raped one of their padawan and the wookie and transformed into shadowy mist to kill a kid.”
I don't know, man. I think the Padawan was asking for it. I mean, he wanted to go home, and she took him to -her- his home sooner. They're just misunderstood. You wouldn't get her power of manyyyyyyyyyy.
Listen, it's about "puwah and whos alowwed to abuse it"
It's not a weapon to be wielded - until we choose to wield it
Can't believe Disney and the showrunners love the sith so much. Don't they know that Star Wars is making fun of them?
@@durrnipthey identify more with the Sith than they do the Jedi
It's no wonder we're all so toxic, we've been fed poison by Disney for 12 years.
Speak for yourself, Karen
@@JasonX909 To be fair, I think that's the opinion of rather more people than just myself.......
Stay out of this Jason x, ur probably the most toxic of all, splitting ur own fandom into fractures with ur weird space edition 😂🤪
@@councilofkarens729To be fair, Being a karen makes you a minority by default
Ya dumb joke
Evil people hiding behind a façade of righteousness is one of the things that REALLY pisses me off.
More and more people seeing through it now… gotta take some positives from this ridiculous world view 😂
They are incapable of seeing how badass Princess Leia was because she was purposefully objectified that one time by an antagonist against her will
It doesn't matter that she fought back and killed her Captor it doesn't matter that she was indispensable in leading the forces of the Rebellion
Simply because she was an attractive woman who was victimized nothing she did before or after matters
It’s pretty disgusting, it’s like they want to hide that bad guys victimize women…imagine if ‘the other side’ tried to argue that
rags: “digging a grave for SW is ground breaking”
straight gold
Sadly Disney keeps mistaking grave digging and robbery as gold mining.
Ironically it wasn't fans that bullied the Star Wars actors. Anakin's actor was bullied like public schools always have happen and just had schizophrenia (can relate, not easy), and Jar Jar's actor was bullied by the media that pretends Star Wars fans did it.
Exactly. His mother even had to come out and say the lil guy basically had no idea about it all and only ever had a great time on set and that George was extremely patient with him
The jar jar part just isn’t true man
@@TrueGamer22887No it is Achmed Best his actor says it was the media.
@@spence1770 it just isn’t lmao. He’s talked about it. I was searching for like an hour, everything saying it wasn’t are unsourced reddit comments
@@TrueGamer22887 source it then
"The Star Wars universe is a sci-fi wonderland where anything can happen, and anything belongs."
No, Star Wars is something quite particular, and you can't just shove anything in it without any care to how it clashes with established rules and story.
Hyper-inclusivity will always take precedence over silly things like world building, lore, good taste and common sense.
@@BruhMoment-fr4zrexactly, once you start being exclusively inclusive you cause a whole ton of problems with original and current Fandom
Honestly how they’re describing Star Wars could fit (mostly) with some fictional universe’s like Earthworm Jim (kind of) Alice in wonderland and maybe Super Mario but Star Wars is not like that at all.
@@mwelite1706 To the more sci-fi end of the scale, Doctor Who and Rick & Morty?
@@charmandyorton006 it might but I don’t really consume enough of them to really know.
I don’t believe they watched Rocky because he loses the fight with Apollo. The point of Rocky 1 is proving you can finish what you started by going the distance
They wanna watch Rocky win? Give them the second one.
@@charmandyorton006 Yo Adrian I did it
You can really feel the author stroking himself with every line in this article
Good god I had to wash my eyes with bleach after reading this comment
@@Theonewhoknocks408 lmao
What a sad, pathetic existence to look through everything through a racial or political lens.
Well when you attack your own fans constantly it tends to get a little toxic..
It's what i keep saying about jk rowling and trans people. She's constantly, non-stop, attacked by them. Of course, she,s fed up with them, anyone in her situation would think the same.
Someone should tell the writers that we don’t self-identify as toxic, and they need to respect our identity. It’s such a micro aggression to assume our toxicity level.
Perfect response.
13:47 hearing "the bad actors" at first i was like is the article talking about dasiy ridley and the like and being truthful? but then i heard more context and was like oh they means the fans again
That's a great point! Princess Leia killed one of the highest level gangsters around. She killed Jabba the Hutt! Never really looked at it that way, but damn that's based....
And that is Carrie Fisher’s favorite scene in the OT. Mostly because she hated the gold bikini as much as Leia as a character did.
She strangled him with the very chains that enslaved her. If that's not a legit "strong, female character" than I don't know what is. A pampered princess that won't hesitate to get her hands dirty and fight for her people, leading a rebellion.
The end of the article has the same energy as the guy who made that hit piece about wendigoon “horror is about love, horror is about compassion”
Oh that idiot who woke up and choose violence but couldn’t handle the consequences.
And that guy ended up basically being laughed off the internet lol
That fucker was literally whitesplaining about why he’s unable to work a 9-to-5 while calling Wendigoon privileged despite Wendigoon having talked about his Native American background and how he’s living in one of the poorest towns in the country. So In Praise of Shadows was literally having that colonizer mentality in him
Whaaat?
Being a fan of Star Wars at this point is like being in an abusive relationship. Any problem you have isn’t because of the *_actual_* toxic person in the relationship; it’s because of YOU
Hey fuck that! Jar Jar never blamed the fans he always knew & accepted that we were probably going to be upset. He has even basically confirmed that Darth Jar Jar was the original plan but that after the backlash it was changed, he can't actually say one way or the other outright likely because of possible legal concerns Disney is very trigger-happy with lawsuits. He specifically said that he was driven to contemplating ending it all because of the Media's constant harassment, yeah that's right journos blaming us "filthy peasants" for their evil who would have guessed!
Darth Jar Jar wasn't the original plan. The original plan was Jar Jar was a hired gun who betrayed the heroes
@@andrewmeyer3599 either way it's was thrown out so who really knows it's not George is going to say.
I wasn’t upset. I understood he was meant to be a fool in the traditional sense of the word. Someone who was klutzy but still managed to find success a Mr. Bean in Star Wars.
Wait so Darth JarJar wasn't just a Robot Chicken bit?
@@Vaguer_Weevil That was Robot Chicken referencing a fan theory. Fans have speculated since the Phantom Menace Jar Jar was force sensitive on the basis that there was no way he could have caused a massive droid body count during the Battle of the Great Grass Plains by accident.
It makes me so sad that the actor who played Geoffrey got shit for it. He was an arrogant, snotty little prick and he played it PERFECTLY!
Yeah that poor giraffe didn’t deserve that treatment.
Joffrey. You almost caused me a stroke trying to read this. I half read Geodude.
@@Itisoverthere-rwGet over yourself, both spellings are correct depending on where you live.
@@Ron_Jambo_ Cut the crap. The character's name is Joffrey. Your cope is irrelevant.
@@Itisoverthere-rw Cope ? It wasn't even my comment, stop using words you don't understand, Timmy.
The fact shills keep this "positive, peak fire bro" vibes going yet the writing is so fucking terrible for recent Disney Star Wars projects, Jesus the delusion. Imagine if the prequels came out now
If the prequels came out now, they would be head and shoulders above 99% of what is current.
If prequels came out now they would probably be loved. I mean just at the praise mid tier MCU films get lol
They seemed racist af to me back then. I would love to see the cope factory in that one. 😂
There’s no way Darth Vader was the second most powerful force user in the galaxy (after Palpatine) if all he could do was force choking.
Just look at new force powers introduced in Disney era
- Force healing/resurrection
- Force self-disintegration into shadowy mist form
- Force teleportation
- Force skyping
- Force flying
Vader has none of these.
Force flying?
@@nmr7203
It's more force gliding, but Vader has it.
He doesn't even has the power of one, the power of two, the power of many.
@@nobleman9393 ua-cam.com/video/vFEFjy44f4A/v-deo.html
Are you sure about that?
@@nmr7203Rey did it Rise of Palpatine.
As a woman who enjoys Star Wars, I'm spontaneously materializing into this instant in time to say hi Rags
I agree, anyone who is a fan of current Star Wars has something desperately wrong with them.
I have a friend who is suffering from this condition. Its REALLY easy to back them in a corner with questions now. Im confused if she's brand loyal or just tryin to save face in the copium den.
@@poshjesscott8287 Copium IMO
@@poshjesscott8287 It's definitely both. There's no way *Star Wars* could ever be *baad*
@@andrewmeyer3599 It has to be sheer brand-rot at this point. Desperation to say Disney Wars is not only doing not worse than Prequel Lucas, but better, if not peak Star War.
@@poshjesscott8287Pretty sure she thinks inly racists and sexists dislike Star wars so she's forcing herself to love it.
These article writers act like people loved _everything_ from the OG Star Wars, but they often forget (or straight up don't know) about the much reviled Holiday Special. Plus there was criticism for the Ewoks and their involvement in the battle on Endor.
Rotj was so disappointing on rewatch
Tbh, half of RotJ makes little to no sense.
@@mala6238 thats being a bit generous. Both the jabba plan and everything that happends on endor have strong gasleak energy.
@@dodojesus4529 true 🤣. Love that movie, but man, it has BIG problems. Great finale and a true SW feeling though.
I know it's par for the course and language might have changed in such a way that this is normal or acceptable now, but the word "attacking" used to mean something I'm sure. Medieval kings didn't get word of an impending "attack" and say "shore up the defenses, we're about to be criticised"
And this person was paid $5 to write this defense of a massive corporation.
Trying to blame fans for bullying star wars actors in the 90,s when there was no social media is a bit rich is it not when only traditional media had the power to do that
I didn't know that I was supposed to hate the prequels until 2012 or something. I remember being a child and a lot of people liked those movies, even though first one was always seen as mid. RoS was considered by some as the best sw movie ever. Also a lot of children liked Jar-Jar, which is really telling about which demographic hated him. The EU pretty much sold my generation, especially the videogames, for example Battlefront2, a game that to this day is still original compared to other shooters.
The toxic fans always existed, sure, but Lucasfilm wasn't actively creating them
@@LampolukeSame here.
@@LampolukeYou can thank RLM for that. Plinkett really brainwashed a bunch of naive teens into hating the movies they loved as kids.
28:54 discussing Leia’s connection to her father being “glossed over”….a topic that WAS covered in the EU…the same EU that KK and Disney deemed NON-CANON….lmao can’t make this shit up folks
I mean she doesn’t get it completely glossed over. She barely interacts with Vader after A New Hope so it make sense it doesn’t covered as much.
I mean, she is borderline crying when Luke leaves after telling her the truth about their parentage, so I don't see how they "glossed over" it. The disgust in her voice, when Luke tells her Vader is his father, made it pretty clear how she felt about that. Not having a long, drawn out, scene of Leia talking about her feelings, doesn't mean it wasn't addressed. These people are just too low IQ to pick up on anything that isn't explicitly spelt out for them by the film.
We all already know we’re toxic because we criticize bad writing, bad characters, and terrible plot.
We’ve heard it for years now. So when will Disney start making good Star Wars?
Maybe if they stopped knowingly making the exact opposite of what made Star Wars a globally recognized name and started giving fans what everybody knows they want, the fans could stop "viciously attacking" the show makers by telling them that they're not buying the BS they're peddling.
Rey and Finn are the prime examples of unrealized potential.
something in accord to what the article discussed:
The actor who was most talented at playing "Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde" in the theatre had to go into early retirement bc people thought he was so good in the role, he had to be Jack the Ripper.
Yeah, that happened for real, we have evidence of it from that long ago already.
Just depressing
Oh yeah Mansfield
We already HAD a Rey trilogy and everyone agrees Rey was the least interesting part of it, WHY IS SHE GETTING ANOTHER ONE!?
EVERYONE agreed Finn was wasted, WHY AREN'T THEY DOING A FINN TRILOGY OF HIM BECOMING A JEDI!? They're SO stupid.
Because he's a black man. If he was a white brunette woman (like KK) then Disney would have considered him more (or if he was a black genderfluid lesbian)
RIP Star Wars 1977 - 2012...
I remember that was an actor in eastenders who couldn't walk around for a while since his char in the show had kidnapped woman and people took it so seriously they would scream and shout at him as if he hadn't really done it.
At least 20 years ago
The funny thing is, Deadwood has a better lesbian story than Disney star wars....and it's a fuckin western. These people claim to care about this shit but ignore all of the higher quality examples like Deadwood and Arcane. When they actually get that representation they are nowhere to be found.
That's because they don't actually watch movies or anything, they only see articles online and even then they can only read as far as the title.
0:02 DECADES?! Might as well said centuries!
XD
WE ARE THE HATEMONGERS OF THE TOXIC BROOD!✊️
"Star Wars is a sci fi wonderland where anything can happen"
If literally anything can happen, like say the Enterprise showing up to blast an Imperial Star Destroyer, then it's not Star Wars now, is it?
Dayum. Toxic things are starting to sound appealing now.
Because clearly it's OUR fault that they keep making shit
I'm a terrible writer but I'm confidant that I good do a better job writing something for Star Wars.
I mean you struggled to write that sentence properly so you're definitely more qualified already
@Vaguer_Weevil I didn't even realize I typed good instead of could. I even re-read it before commenting.
Indeed Star Wars fans are toxic, Disney Star Wars.
Articles like this are persuasive in the sense that they attempt to browbeat you into saying what you're supposed to believe.
Messaging stars of shows hate is awful, and the people who do it should be called out. I want the stars to show the messages they've received so we can read them.
They have got the messages, right?
5:50 I actually brought up the Andor stuff to one of those types and the response was "That doesn't count because everyone liked Andor"
Star wars OT never had a straight storyline. The prequels required one because Anakin needs to have kids
That's the Toxic Brood, to you.
Hatemongers of the Toxic Brood unite
I really can't stand this whole rhetoric. The underlying idea is that minorities can't relate to white characters.
Some of the biggest weebs on the planet are spanish speakers and black people. I want the racial identity activist to try and explain that to me. What exactly are they relating to in anime, which is 95% japanese people and maybe 4% white character and less than 1% black characters. And on the same point, what about white weebs? What do they relate to exactly, when the overwhelming majority of anime takes in a japanese school setting, something that's as unfamiliar to westerners as possible? And why do so many white people Riley, Huey and grand dad from The Boondocks, a show that's entirely black-centric.
36:16 This is honestly so telling… Writing quality means nothing to these people as long the content checks their own boxes for desired representation/diversity. Doesn’t it seem a bit selfish and narcissistic how many people require 1:1 self insert character in order to actually connect with a narrative? As if relating to any characters struggles and drama just isn’t a possibility? Pretty sad.
Makes me sad that Andor is such a diamond in the rough. how does it have worse numbers than the acolyte?! It’s so good! I feel like discerning viewers had already written off Star Wars as idiotic drivel made for kids after the sequel trilogy was so bad, so when a sophisticated production with complex characters and good writing came along the only people left were a small handful of dedicated fans (who loved it) and a bunch of idiots who would rather watch “Ow my balls!”.
I feel like the Ahmed Best argument lost weight the moment people recognized him in Mando and thought it was nice to see him back in Star Wars. Writing aside, I believe a bunch of these “hateful Star Wars bullies” were happy to see him. I think even in your guy’s coverage on the EFAPTV episodes the reaction was “that’s neat”.
I wish I could be one of these people so bad… is it gay? Is there at least a black? Is there woman? Yes? Boom, awesome movie.
That life sounds so serene and simple… yet all of the people that treat storytelling this simply are always deeply unhappy and insufferable people… perhaps chasing the dragon gets tiring when you make it your life’s only goal.
Reminds me of when i was in elementary school, we went to a theater with the class and after all the actors took a bow the villain came out and took a bow himself, we all boo'd cuz well, he's the bad guy. Only years later at a musical i realised how dumb that is.
People who give actors shit for their characters never cast off that child-like behaviour.
Gosh we are so toxic guys! Im sure that the only reason why disney gets bad reviews is cuz we are trolls that hate everything right? Right
I wonder how these article writers reconcile how John Boyega feels about his character's treatment in disney star wars. Do they think he's racist too?
Funny how they blame the fans for the hate towards the prequels, because, as far as I remember, the SW prequels got mocked by every media
Community
The Simpsons
Fairy Odd Parents
Probably many others tv shows
And many YouToubers and Influencers who are now defending the Disney Star Wars
1:35 I don't even think Anakin (Hayden) was that bad, he was obviously very young and could've had a better delivery but the dialogue and love story was so cringe. The chemistry with Natalie wasn't very good either.
Whenever he's involved in the action he's awesome, and he's the undisputed lightsaber champion.
18:20 You mean the lens of the vast majority of the filmmakers and the audience in the US at the time?
The next thing you're going to tell me is you're surprised that Japanese, Korean, and Chinese shows and movies come from a Southeast Asian perspective! 😱
"Star Wars fans are toxic". Then why are they making shows and movies still? Just sell Star Wars back to George if the "fans" are really a problem. I love how they keep making product but when they don't get praised for it they say "Oh the fandom is the problem". Well, the fandom is who you're making the product for... so if they don't like what you make, why bother? XD
31:55
Just thought I'd mention that "the first three Star Wars movies" are in fact _Star Wars,_ _The Star Wars Holiday Special,_ and _The Empire Strikes Back._ So maybe Disney also considers them a guide to the franchise but they're reading the wrong part.
Everytime they keep mentioning actors who has been harassed in the past that isnt just star wars it feels like the list keeps growing. I will always remember one particular one with The Walking Dead. There was a kid actor who.. I think the character's name was Sam? His character was hated, with good reason, but the actor WAS A KID (back in season 6), and after a mid season finale and the return, the character did.. something bad, and the fans went to relentlessly attack him on social media for his character... a KID. People are nasty period, it's not star wars. This people sit in their bubble and think everything is against them... how many times do we have to listen to this over and over and rebuttle with the same things over and over?
btw, not gonna talk about the TWD writing quality anyways, but those episodes were some of the best back in the day because how it followed the comics. TWD was in it's best when it could replicate the comics, then s8 came in and f*d everything up
True, but the thing is, it's the perpetually online crazy people who do this. And those people are mostly fans of Disney Star Wars.
@@CarlosThadeuI thought the downfall came in S7, and S8 was just terrible period
33:50 being victimized isnt a mark against her character
It even more sad how they have corrupted the newer fans. I saw an video of thrawn legends, how good he was before dave/disney took him and mess him up, commented about it, and got an scolding for putting the "blame on dave" when it should go to Kathleen.
The writer sounds like AI
The fact this popped on my feed after the show got canceled is amazing lol
Bro, the person who wrote this article implied leai isnt brave or heroic trying to lift padme up. What a punk. Both are good characters and there was nothing wrong with leia in the OT.
4:30 "många bäckar små gör en stor Å" (many smal streams make a great river)
Considering how heavily they leaned into "toxic fandom" as a defense for this show-- the most since TLJ-- The Acolyte may well be the true optical final boss of Disney Star Wars.
This entire freaking industry needs a freaking restart. Activism was a mistake...
1999 when the Ep 1 released Was the Live journal era of the Internet, The "toxic" crowd of Media.
The term ‘toxic’ is misapplied to ‘anyone who disagrees with us’ by the usual tolerant bunch, using only the worst examples (as was pointed out, which statiscally must happen) to represent all the opposition, even the mild.
It’s like you’re a classroom teacher but instead of 20 kids you have 20 tv shows to review and critic. one show is acting terribly and you give it pointers in an attempt for positive change. Yet that’s wrong according to Disney shills.
That article said the clone wars was the first to show but surely that was ewoks
The most notable non-human lead characters in star wars are Ashoka and Lop lmao
Ki-Adi Mundi was a white old man in power, and we were still disappointed in his use. The inconsistency is strong with them...
Toxic? Toxic they say!? No… we are the Toxic BROOD!!!
The "muh representation" crowd must lose their minds when they see a Disney movie.
"A lion? THAT'S NOT A HUMAN! I CAN'T RELATE!" **head explodes**
29:50 wait…isn’t that the specific outfit that women cosplay as when cosplaying leia?
Revenge of the Sith in my opinion is better of a film than Return of the Jedi.
I like them both but for different reasons, both of them however have lines that I will always remember
@@TheFatalcrest I'll say Luke's arc is a lot better than Anakin's however I really love Obi relationship with his apprentices.
Yeah the fight choreography was great too.
@@Rebelnutt Anakins arc is alright imo, the concept and the way it moves is fine. But I think the way they had him voice things was off and could be strengthened.
@@TheFatalcrest If I remember correctly the sand village scene would have had him force drag one of the kids towards him for a slash.
And they were totally okay with the horrific things they did to the prequel actors and director
" So many dead people in this show, not even one has ever eaten their brains afterwards.
1/5"
Venom review
You would need the Chewbacca defence!
Hi Wolf!
Toxic avenger here.
I wish more people got the reference. Did you know they're making a side scrolling beat em up with the IP?
You know what? Starwars was born dead in the sense that the OT didnt even have a cohesive plan
If you're going to praise characters and actors exclusively because of their race gender and sexuality I have no sympathy if they're criticized for the same reasons.
Disney screwed up Star Wars and they simp😢need to own up to it.
Personally I liked the Star Wars prequels and didn’t have a problem with them. I consider myself a 1977-2012 Star Wars fan.
Fringy’s Venom riff is great
Ngl star wars is probaly one of the most toxic fan bases ive been apart of and i absolutely love it 😂😂
Ok, this is just clear ideology. They never once say anything positive about any of the current star wars projects outside of diversity, and even the complaints of the bad projects are simply they aren't diverse enough.
Ob1 show is what broke me 54:11
Can't call Obi Wan series 'male led'.
I don’t think there is a group of fans out there worse than star wars
Well, we are the TOXIC BROOD, after all.
Now they portray women through a hyper-masculine lens. So funny that this is how they fixed the problem with those problematic seventies and eighties male dominated smash hits.
The only ones I’ve seen complain about Andor, are those who came for the “representation”.
Funny that, eh
Has Professor Geek ever been on EFAP?
did they identify the article writers pronouns and then not use them? that’s pretty wild lmao
as a newer view on efap on im scared to get in to star then like it to she how far it fell