Also little tip I noticed. If in rage always opt for F41 instead of WS23 where possible. For some reason normally F41(perfect) and WS23 when not in rage is same damage but when in rage F41(normal) and WS23 do same damage and the perfect one does more damage. Strange I know
I knew that F4, 1 is automatically adjusted to the just-frame version in Heat* if you don't get the frame; but I didn't know that the Perfect version is EVEN more damage. That's really cool to know.
Unsure if it's been mentioned by anyone else but ch silvertail (fcdf4) is currently capable of giving a full combo: Fcdf4(3+4) HMSuf4, df4, b33f, b2x2 f41*, ender
It's, unfortunately, not a real combo. They can evade it by simply holding back, which will result in df4 only kicking them away rather than floating them. Still, it's somewhat of a mind game if they decide they want to stay (still, knowing Lee's options from there, all people in the know will just hold back lol).
don't try to combo it just try to get the right input 10/10 times first. if you tap forward he goes into mist step, right before mist step ends if you tap back he cancels and moves back evasively. just as this back evasive movement starts if you press and button you get WS moves, try it.
If you launch them by doing slide ws23 mix up the heat will always connect ( or I least I don't recall it to drop ) but it whiffs if you duck a strings or block a low
Another notation error, should say b3,3 instead of 4u3 at 4:21 . Also someone else asked how to perform this trick and you have to enter hitman after the d3 by holding 4. Move is too damn hard for me 😭
Having trouble understanding the wall combos for Lee in T8. I know in T7 99% of the time it was d/f1, f4,3 , d3 and it seems similar in this game but because of d/f4:1 doing that high resplat, wouldn't that almost always be what we want? It seems kinda inconsistent. Does it always need a d/f1 to work? Does it depend on how slouched the opponent is? It feels like it gives you that high resplat sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't work. Everything else in his combo game feels great but this part is a bit strange.
That resplat is called tornado and it's similar in mechanics to screws in T7. The main difference is that you can use it at the wall ONLY IF you haven't used it before the wall splat, just like bounds in T6 and TAG2. That means if you use your tornado before the wall, the wall combo would be df1 > f4,3 > d3. But if you didn't, it would be df1 > f4:1 > HMS uf4 < ub3 Try doing this combo at the arena stage as an example: uf4 > 4,u3 > b2f > ws1,2f > f2,1 > W! > df1 > f4:1 > HMS uf4 > ub3
@@BoyOnBike4 I appreciate your indepeth coverage. I noticed that other Lees only used it at the wall without using their screw or whatever. But I appreciate this help!
No it doesn't need d/f1 to work but if you can do it do it cause it's easy so free damage You can also see more combos here if you want. I precise it's my video so sorry for self-add... ua-cam.com/video/hNdqHSe3jkA/v-deo.htmlsi=aU_FiCCwP1eDGR9C
how on earth do you do the ws moves out of the forward cancels from b2 and other moves in the combo? I cant get ws moves outside the forward movement after b2, ever.
@@lolnight0 thanks for the reply. I found that out by trial and error in the meantime lol, but getting into the backsway and timing it before its too late is really hard... I wish this was a little bit easier, but I guess its lee after all.
You have to do it very quickly if not instanteneoulyou want : Check my video for more combos if you want: ua-cam.com/video/hNdqHSe3jkA/v-deo.htmlsi=B5XKNkL7i32T9xX9
Is this stuff even possible without a stick, I may be a little new, but I am getting it down to the minimal frames for b2 and have only gotten a double off in a couple of these combos in like 100 tries on controller d-pad
You cancel the Mist Step into the Sway to get the while rising moves to come out. The first few frames of Lee's Sway is considered while rising/standing, so you can make while rising moves come out during it. Try practicing this: b2f > b > 2,3. ws 2,3 should come out. Make sure to tap only the f and b input or it won't work
@@BoyOnBike4 do you guys play on pad cuz mine only works consistently if i buffer the input which is too slow for the combo if i do it quick it just does standing 1,2 and i can see the back in my command history.
Can someone help,I'm new to Lee and im trying to do the b3,3 pick up move after kicking my opponent to the floor like in 1:35 and he wont pick up for me to carry the combo he just stays on the floor,I'm in practice mode
@@lolnight0you were right I just did it twice,guess I wasn't fast enough, nice guide but why is there no uf4 b243 b2f f41 ff4 combos or anything along those lines,they're easier to do especially for beginners cause they dont require the ws moves or your going to make a different guide on em🤔
Nah, now we basically do b2 x2 and ws1,2 There're some situation when it's only one b2, or only two ws12 no b2, or one b2 and one ws12, or three b2 and one ws12... but it's usually the one above You can check my optimal Lee combo video if you want : ua-cam.com/video/hNdqHSe3jkA/v-deo.htmlsi=B5XKNkL7i32T9xX9
So lee has a stance called mist step and some of his move allows him to go into this stance for example if you do b2f you go into this stance. During this stance if you tap back and press for example 2,3 you will get ws2,3.
@lolnight0 Gotcha, I've noticed that you can shift into "new" moves from mist step, but I can't execute ws1,2, or ws2,3. Is the timing very tight or something? (I don't want to give up on Lee, but omg, this is infuriating) nice vids btw
@@beowulf1694 If you haven't figured it out, iWS from mist step is done by doing forward, then hitting back and then going to neutral. A common problem people will do is do it too fast. Try to get the mist step to come out first, and then get the "backstep" next. The way I have always thought of it is that you are hitting the frames between the mist step and the back step and the game counts it as while standing (this isn't technically the case, but it's how I've always thought of the timing of doing his iWS moves in combos). Just take it slow, again commonly people think it's f, b, neutral incredibly fast but it's much more deliberate. It is kinda tight but you can do it 99% of the time after some practice.
@@beowulf1694 At the end of Mist step animation, you can tap back to make lee enter Sway. The first few animation frames of Sway is considered While Rising. Inputting 2,3 during that time will make Lee do ws2,3 As for the timing, practice doing b2 > f > b first. Make sure you only tap f to enter mist step, DO NOT hold. Same with sway, tap b and DO NOT hold. Once you can consistently do that, then input 2,3 immediately after you tap b. And ws 2,3 should come out.
Very shity w1, 2 combo most of time whifs if opponent is slightly off axis, so w1, 2 combo are very very inconsistent rely on b2 combo (like.,t7 4b2s), need to fix this otherwise t8 combo Lee is just 90 time out of 100 is useless. W2, 4 is also not reliable so u are always reluctant to use heat after w2, 4. So as usual Lee is better in t8 but still very low tier character.
I get 73 damage when I do F333334* bb4 d2 b2 ws12 w23 If you wanna check, it's in my video here: ua-cam.com/video/hNdqHSe3jkA/v-deo.htmlsi=B5XKNkL7i32T9xX9
THIS IS LEI CHAOBLA
Important tip
you can change order to B2 > ws 1, 2 > B2
to avoid dropping double B2
will I lose style points?
no I think this is more stylish 😎
f4:1 drops alot if I do it this way. Any tips?
this makes it 2x easier and cooler. thanks.
@@BoyOnBike4 help sqme problem here
Also little tip I noticed. If in rage always opt for F41 instead of WS23 where possible. For some reason normally F41(perfect) and WS23 when not in rage is same damage but when in rage F41(normal) and WS23 do same damage and the perfect one does more damage. Strange I know
I knew that F4, 1 is automatically adjusted to the just-frame version in Heat* if you don't get the frame; but I didn't know that the Perfect version is EVEN more damage. That's really cool to know.
@@SwordSaint892 Wait it's adjusted in rage?? Don't you mean in heat?
@@heroce974 yeah that's what I meant, sorry. Heat always gets the just-frame at the cost of heat meter
7:02 & 7:52 & 8:45 minor notation error... Should be df+4,4
Vr vr thank u for the guide, been trying to figure out the optimal combo routes
Dude, you don't know how much I wanna do some different combos and still do damage. Thank you very much❤😢🙏🏽
Finally thanks for putting this together exactly what I needed!
you're a legend for this video. gonna be my chaobla bible 🌹
cool stuff, just now learning about that BB4 pickup variation from this video. gonna try to sneak it in a bit.
Small notation error at 4:21 for the ch d3 combo. The second move should be b3,3, not 4u3, right?
You beat me too it
True
Excerent!
Unsure if it's been mentioned by anyone else but ch silvertail (fcdf4) is currently capable of giving a full combo:
Fcdf4(3+4) HMSuf4, df4, b33f, b2x2 f41*, ender
It's, unfortunately, not a real combo.
They can evade it by simply holding back, which will result in df4 only kicking them away rather than floating them.
Still, it's somewhat of a mind game if they decide they want to stay (still, knowing Lee's options from there, all people in the know will just hold back lol).
Try acid storm into b243(whiff the 2),b2 into ws1,2 into ws2,3
That's what I want. THANK YOU!!!
Such an helpful video
You can use ff+4 to d+2 after d/f+2 for 3 more damage.
Don't know which other launchers support it yet.
Great guide, thank you
He is to OP🔥💯
Man I thought drag sneak cancel combos were hard but this is way harder. Having fun learning it but I’m dreading p2 side.
For f33334 bb4 d2 bb2f ws1,2f f2,1 you can do F+1+2 as the ender for 73 dmg instead of 72. More consistent aswell
What is bb2f ? 2x b2 ?
Nice pfp btw
I’m new tryna learn Lee, I’m having trouble doing the rising spinning punch during misstep, can someone help please?
don't try to combo it just try to get the right input 10/10 times first.
if you tap forward he goes into mist step, right before mist step ends if you tap back he cancels and moves back evasively. just as this back evasive movement starts if you press and button you get WS moves, try it.
to loop them once you can do them you do WS 1,2 then hold forward for mist step transition after move then back before it ends and loop.
@@haroon7275 cheers mate
Nice combo video
Ws23 at 2:10 how come it doesn't always connect? Is it dependent on the characters hotbox?
Yes its a hitbox issue, it 50/50 whiffs if you try and duck punish a move
If you launch them by doing slide ws23 mix up the heat will always connect ( or I least I don't recall it to drop ) but it whiffs if you duck a strings or block a low
FF4 combo, b4, d3 ender is guaranteed due to axis. You can opt for this combo if the wall is too far
EXCELLENT!!!
Marvelous sir 🌹.
Notice that ch d2 into acid rain don't work off-axis
are heat extensions only worth it on ws2,3 launchers?
You can do them in others combos to get more damage if the combo is going to kill.
how do you correctly input 0:09(The WS imean)
During mist step tap back and press 2,3
Another notation error, should say b3,3 instead of 4u3 at 4:21 . Also someone else asked how to perform this trick and you have to enter hitman after the d3 by holding 4. Move is too damn hard for me 😭
🔥
Having trouble understanding the wall combos for Lee in T8. I know in T7 99% of the time it was d/f1, f4,3 , d3 and it seems similar in this game but because of d/f4:1 doing that high resplat, wouldn't that almost always be what we want? It seems kinda inconsistent. Does it always need a d/f1 to work? Does it depend on how slouched the opponent is? It feels like it gives you that high resplat sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't work. Everything else in his combo game feels great but this part is a bit strange.
That resplat is called tornado and it's similar in mechanics to screws in T7. The main difference is that you can use it at the wall ONLY IF you haven't used it before the wall splat, just like bounds in T6 and TAG2. That means if you use your tornado before the wall, the wall combo would be df1 > f4,3 > d3. But if you didn't, it would be df1 > f4:1 > HMS uf4 < ub3
Try doing this combo at the arena stage as an example: uf4 > 4,u3 > b2f > ws1,2f > f2,1 > W! > df1 > f4:1 > HMS uf4 > ub3
@@BoyOnBike4 I appreciate your indepeth coverage. I noticed that other Lees only used it at the wall without using their screw or whatever. But I appreciate this help!
No it doesn't need d/f1 to work but if you can do it do it cause it's easy so free damage
You can also see more combos here if you want. I precise it's my video so sorry for self-add... ua-cam.com/video/hNdqHSe3jkA/v-deo.htmlsi=aU_FiCCwP1eDGR9C
Is the ws 2, 3 in combos imstead of f4, 1 for consistency?
Yes
@@lolnight0 ty, night❤️
do you have any tips on getting ws23 after ws 12
Check out my video ( lee quick tips #1) it will help you
@@lolnight0thank you it helped! i can do them consistently now!
4:21 subtitles for ch d3 combo is wrong
how on earth do you do the ws moves out of the forward cancels from b2 and other moves in the combo? I cant get ws moves outside the forward movement after b2, ever.
Check out my last video, it will help you out
@@lolnight0 thanks for the reply. I found that out by trial and error in the meantime lol, but getting into the backsway and timing it before its too late is really hard... I wish this was a little bit easier, but I guess its lee after all.
How do you hit down 2?
why does my heat burst not connect after ws23?
Bro how do you do the while rising moves during the combo it don’t work for me
I did a video on it, check my channel
Which video is it?
@@Biosaga4eva ua-cam.com/video/0WEZuYSflv0/v-deo.htmlsi=3P8z70osFYYR6jkW
Any advice on hitting ws12 more reliably during a combo?
I don’t know man.. just practice
I'm also having trouble with this. What exactly are you doing with the stick or d-pad after the forward input to initiate the mist step?@@lolnight0
based
Hey whats the trick to get the Ch d3 combo at 4:26 I can't do it consistently because I don’t know the timing for the pick up
you have to enter hitman stance then input b3,3 immediately when you see lee stick out his left hand during the stance
@@kingkai3729 Thank you
Is that max optimal dmg cimbos?
For some reason i cant get the b b 4 combo in heat :(
You have to do it very quickly if not instanteneoulyou want :
Check my video for more combos if you want: ua-cam.com/video/hNdqHSe3jkA/v-deo.htmlsi=B5XKNkL7i32T9xX9
any reason to use ws23 in combos anymore? doesn't the just frame of f4,1 deal more damage?
f4,1 just frame deals the same damage as ws2,3 in combos, also f4,1 the second hit whiffs sometimes.
@@lolnight0ooh I see, thanks boss
@@lolnight0 Well in rage JF f4,1 does one more damage than ws2,3
And there're optimal combos, at least in my book, that you can only do with f4,1
@@heroce974 This is true, I forgot to mention this after some testing
ch b4 HMS combo? I used to cancel HMS into ws 2,3 but it bounds now.
Just replace it with ws2,4
Is this stuff even possible without a stick, I may be a little new, but I am getting it down to the minimal frames for b2 and have only gotten a double off in a couple of these combos in like 100 tries on controller d-pad
Yes you can do his combos on a controller
can attest, you can definitely do them reliably on pad
Can anybody tell me how I get the ws 1-2 after the second b2
First combo
How you consistently get the while rising moves to come out I play on pad and it seems iffy
I just practice bro.
Is it the same time as inputting the b2 loops but you are doing 1-2 > 2-3?
The back input is important to get the whole rising off mist step yeah?
You cancel the Mist Step into the Sway to get the while rising moves to come out. The first few frames of Lee's Sway is considered while rising/standing, so you can make while rising moves come out during it.
Try practicing this: b2f > b > 2,3. ws 2,3 should come out. Make sure to tap only the f and b input or it won't work
@BoyOnBike4 I'll try it brother
@@BoyOnBike4 do you guys play on pad cuz mine only works consistently if i buffer the input which is too slow for the combo if i do it quick it just does standing 1,2 and i can see the back in my command history.
Can someone help,I'm new to Lee and im trying to do the b3,3 pick up move after kicking my opponent to the floor like in 1:35 and he wont pick up for me to carry the combo he just stays on the floor,I'm in practice mode
You are probably taking to long to do dash b3,3, try to do it faster 👍
@@lolnight0 can I get in close with mist step or it just needs to be a ff dash?
@@lolnight0you were right I just did it twice,guess I wasn't fast enough, nice guide but why is there no uf4 b243 b2f f41 ff4 combos or anything along those lines,they're easier to do especially for beginners cause they dont require the ws moves or your going to make a different guide on em🤔
@@martianchill6631 i think this combo is in the combo challenge right? And I tried including the most reliable and damaging combos in this video.
so now its not necessary to do a b2 loop 3x?
Nah, now we basically do b2 x2 and ws1,2
There're some situation when it's only one b2, or only two ws12 no b2, or one b2 and one ws12, or three b2 and one ws12... but it's usually the one above
You can check my optimal Lee combo video if you want : ua-cam.com/video/hNdqHSe3jkA/v-deo.htmlsi=B5XKNkL7i32T9xX9
How do you do ws from mist step?? It’s so f’n hard
Just tap back during mist step
@@lolnight0 does that also apply to B2F > ws 12F?
@@Lotus048 yes
Wall combos in heat? D:
why is d2 pickup after bb4 so hard
You probably have to dash closer to the opponent
is b1:1+2 better than f2,1 i thought it was same damage ?
b1:1+2 if you wanna get your opponent to the wall more further
I believe b1:1+2 does one more damage but it's harder to do. And f2,1 is useful as a middle punish (b1:1+2 being a high).
5:52 can't hit b11f after pickup any tips?
Does it whiff ?
@@lolnight0 yes
@@tracksssit368 it is probably because you didn’t dash enough after 44:4
@@lolnight0 thx. Also, CH b4 bb4 b33f combo does 1 more dmg xdd. Do you know if it's possible to pick up with something other than b3?
@@tracksssit368 bb4 dash d2
Dude what? While rising strikes only come out when you let go of down but there's never a down input. Please explain come on
So lee has a stance called mist step and some of his move allows him to go into this stance for example if you do b2f you go into this stance. During this stance if you tap back and press for example 2,3 you will get ws2,3.
@lolnight0 Gotcha, I've noticed that you can shift into "new" moves from mist step, but I can't execute ws1,2, or ws2,3. Is the timing very tight or something? (I don't want to give up on Lee, but omg, this is infuriating) nice vids btw
@@beowulf1694 If you haven't figured it out, iWS from mist step is done by doing forward, then hitting back and then going to neutral. A common problem people will do is do it too fast. Try to get the mist step to come out first, and then get the "backstep" next. The way I have always thought of it is that you are hitting the frames between the mist step and the back step and the game counts it as while standing (this isn't technically the case, but it's how I've always thought of the timing of doing his iWS moves in combos). Just take it slow, again commonly people think it's f, b, neutral incredibly fast but it's much more deliberate. It is kinda tight but you can do it 99% of the time after some practice.
@@beowulf1694 At the end of Mist step animation, you can tap back to make lee enter Sway. The first few animation frames of Sway is considered While Rising. Inputting 2,3 during that time will make Lee do ws2,3
As for the timing, practice doing b2 > f > b first. Make sure you only tap f to enter mist step, DO NOT hold. Same with sway, tap b and DO NOT hold. Once you can consistently do that, then input 2,3 immediately after you tap b. And ws 2,3 should come out.
F3+4 should be guaranteed after uf1+2
You sure it's not? ff3 is stronger in any case
Damn so damaging and satisfying
Very shity w1, 2 combo most of time whifs if opponent is slightly off axis, so w1, 2 combo are very very inconsistent rely on b2 combo (like.,t7 4b2s), need to fix this otherwise t8 combo Lee is just 90 time out of 100 is useless.
W2, 4 is also not reliable so u are always reluctant to use heat after w2, 4.
So as usual Lee is better in t8 but still very low tier character.
so many notation errors, did you even watch it before uploading
Bro I worked on it until 5am how am I not supposed to make any mistakes!!!
All the execution and like lee in everything but tekken 5, his damage just sucks :(
1:20 bad combo. F333334 b243 b2f ws12 f21 will give you more damage. 4u3 is overall not optimal combo filler
That's too many hits, ws1,2 won't connect
@@BoyOnBike4 i do this combo every match. First hit of b243 must whiff
I get 73 damage when I do F333334* bb4 d2 b2 ws12 w23
If you wanna check, it's in my video here: ua-cam.com/video/hNdqHSe3jkA/v-deo.htmlsi=B5XKNkL7i32T9xX9
nice AI combo , lol