To all the harpsichord elitists in the comments: Please do not put down this brilliant recording solely because of its choice of instrument; it sounds equally good on a piano, and you will never know Rameau's intentions because he did not have a piano to experiment with! Please, if you want a harpsichord recording, find one yourself, because I don't know why you're here. Do not insult the pianist and his playing so.
@@valerieheinderyckx4506 I do love them both! Just like I love some bach piano pieces, the variety of classical music never ends and it is truly a wonderful thing
Maybe because this is not the instrument where it is written for? This is piano which everybody plays nowadays while the original was written for harpsichord which of course sounds much better
I have no words, so for ask my impression about this magnificent music!)) I like "La Poule" and 2d theme in Tricitets, from 1:05 till 1:18 !!!! Very successful performance!!!!!!
ISolokov is a very great intepret of Rameau on the piano. Nevetheles, I do not agree with some of his tempos, for instance the "tricotets' (first piece), which is played much too fast in my modest taste. There are other pieces in the book that request fas tempo, but not that one. Reversely, the 'menuets' seem to me a bit slow. 'La poule' is in the right tempo.
Just heard the last movement today and always enjoyed the savages or whatever…. I like the chicken dance and my neighbors have chickens, and this will make me think of the song here when they go at it in the mornings.
Love this performance except for one aspect - an over-abundance of ornamentation. Despite Rameau's indications, it's not necessary to play every single one on a modern piano (as opposed to the harpsichord).
NIce, but the playing doesn't match the score in the menuets (correct me if i'm wrong). for eg sokolov plays dotted rhythms while this isn't so in the sheet music.
Don't always expect Baroque or Classical scores to give you all the information you need to play the piece - players and singers were not only allowed but expected to improvise or know the rules of playing in certain dance styles. If the pianist played the exact score as shown, that would be the mistake.
How dare they record this on a piano. This is clearly for harpsichord and very poorly suited for piano. The dynamic nature of the piano can over-accent notes here and there in a way that was absolutely not intended. Where can I find a harpsichord performance of this?
Jesus Christ enough with the harpsichord conservatism already. This is a such a tremendous musical performance, all people do is whine about it being played on the wrong instrument. I truly, truly feel sorry that you're unable to hear what a wonderful performance it is and instead of just finding a performance on YT or Spotify played by a harpsichord chose to instead whine on a video where it's played by piano. Unbelievable.
I think this piece is truly pianistic in its own right. We pianists play Bach, should we stop doing that too? And finding a harpsichord performance of this is not difficult - there are several on YT - maybe type "harpsichord" along with the name?
Better listen for once to the original performance to give your opinion. This is an insult for Rameau. We don't perform Symphonies of Beethoven on synthesizers yet but musical taste obviously has degraded.
Rameau would have killed to have a piano forte (See NOTE) at his disposal. What makes many of his pieces exceptional is that they have the inherent dynamics of piano music. The crescendos, accents, etc. AND because of this, I take issue of adhering to the ornamentals which were, in my opinion, designed for the harpsichord attempting to deal with its mono-"issimo". This music transcends the instrument and the piano does it more justice. NOTE: I only recently saw a forte reproduction being played and a major disappointment doesn't come close) at his disposal!
If it sounds good, it sounds good. There is no way of knowing what Rameau would have 'intended' because there was no piano for him to try it out on. It is ridiculous to be so rigid with other peoples' intentions.
Horrible! this is an insult to Rameau. This is not a piano piece. Rameau never wrote one single note for a modern factory made bombastic piano. This is a harpsichord piece PERIOD!
Stop embarrassing yourself with these emotional rants against pianists, it's juvenile behavior! The history of keyboard music spans over 700 years, and includes music for all kinds of keyboard instruments, including harpsichord, piano, and organ. Many composers played multiple instruments and they often played their own works on various different instruments, or adapted their works for other instruments, and Rameau was no exception. One thing is for sure though, Rameau never wrote his pieces with the intention of uploading them to UA-cam, so I wonder why you are even here, if you're such a purist. Since Rameau was not only a harpsichordist and violinist, but also an organist, maybe you could move to an organ channel and discuss this topic with organists instead of pianists. Or even better, why don't you go to a petting zoo or a children's farm and start attacking little hens for not sounding exactly like Rameau's 'La Poule' as played on a harpsichord? As for Sokolov, if you are unable to at least acknowledge the extremely high quality of Sokolov's playing in these pieces by Rameau, then quite frankly, you have lost all credibility. Apart from that, your argument against performing Rameau on a piano doesn't make any sense and is just as silly as claiming that you can't translate the Bible into any modern language, since those languages didn't exists when Jesus walked the earth.
And J S Bach keyboard music? That is no problematic? Why? It´s the same issue. I don´t understand this kind of comment, if you don´t like Rameau´s music played in the piano go to the thousand other videos with Rameau played in harpsichord.
The suite was intended for harpsichord but the use of so many trills etc on the piano makes the suite sound pretentious and disjointed. Careful use of ornaments is needed when played on a piano. So 4 out 10 for Sokolov, could do better.
This is really exquisitely played. Such control, poise and daringness that suits the genius of the author.
To all the harpsichord elitists in the comments:
Please do not put down this brilliant recording solely because of its choice of instrument; it sounds equally good on a piano, and you will never know Rameau's intentions because he did not have a piano to experiment with! Please, if you want a harpsichord recording, find one yourself, because I don't know why you're here. Do not insult the pianist and his playing so.
Could not have said it better my friend. This is beautiful and I am 100% positive that Rameau would have loved it so
On peut faire comme moi...aimer les deux. ❤@@fredgarv79
@@valerieheinderyckx4506 I do love them both! Just like I love some bach piano pieces, the variety of classical music never ends and it is truly a wonderful thing
Sokolov one of the great living pianists chooses to play it on his instrument, and who is to say they know better than him?
It doesn’t sound equally good on a piano, it sounds much better.
"La Poule" reminds me of Scarlatti's sonatas. It is a very interesting and innovative piece.
agree. it keeps its baroque culture intact, but manages to travel very far.
I don't understand why Rameau is not more well known. This is great!!
Maybe because this is not the instrument where it is written for? This is piano which everybody plays nowadays while the original was written for harpsichord which of course sounds much better
@@HarpsichordVinylGallery PIANO BETTER
@@18SchabergRafe for music written for the piano because this sounds like some sort of spaghetti
Because of the french revolution that ceased to transmit the french heritage.
@@18SchabergRafe Ooga booga
J'adore cette musique.
Bravo!!!
I have no words, so for ask my impression about this magnificent music!)) I like "La Poule" and 2d theme in Tricitets, from 1:05 till 1:18 !!!! Very successful performance!!!!!!
+Franz Xaver Yes it's fantastic! Glad you enjoy it too :)
))
ISolokov is a very great intepret of Rameau on the piano. Nevetheles, I do not agree with some of his tempos, for instance the "tricotets' (first piece), which is played much too fast in my modest taste. There are other pieces in the book that request fas tempo, but not that one. Reversely, the 'menuets' seem to me a bit slow. 'La poule' is in the right tempo.
Just heard the last movement today and always enjoyed the savages or whatever…. I like the chicken dance and my neighbors have chickens, and this will make me think of the song here when they go at it in the mornings.
Je pense qu'on peut tout pardonner à Sokolov dans Rameau.
Trailer for Hold Me Tight
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Are there any links where I can buy this recording?
nop, u dont need it
The Minuets are much too slow.
how slow are they
Love this performance except for one aspect - an over-abundance of ornamentation. Despite Rameau's indications, it's not necessary to play every single one on a modern piano (as opposed to the harpsichord).
NIce, but the playing doesn't match the score in the menuets (correct me if i'm wrong). for eg sokolov plays dotted rhythms while this isn't so in the sheet music.
Two words: Notes inegales.
Don't always expect Baroque or Classical scores to give you all the information you need to play the piece - players and singers were not only allowed but expected to improvise or know the rules of playing in certain dance styles. If the pianist played the exact score as shown, that would be the mistake.
That’s notes inégalités.
Everything is better on a piano
(and I am a guitarist!)
Rameau rocks Bach, but not on a Steinway.
i'm pretty sure Rameau would have loved electric guitars. B)
"La Poule" still fucking rocks on this steinway, anyway.
@Fan Gali Just wait until you hear it on the Harpsichord …
@@louiscouperin3731 a banjo will do also
@prep0wer Not the same. Harpsichord wins.
How dare they record this on a piano. This is clearly for harpsichord and very poorly suited for piano. The dynamic nature of the piano can over-accent notes here and there in a way that was absolutely not intended. Where can I find a harpsichord performance of this?
Jesus Christ enough with the harpsichord conservatism already. This is a such a tremendous musical performance, all people do is whine about it being played on the wrong instrument. I truly, truly feel sorry that you're unable to hear what a wonderful performance it is and instead of just finding a performance on YT or Spotify played by a harpsichord chose to instead whine on a video where it's played by piano. Unbelievable.
I think this piece is truly pianistic in its own right. We pianists play Bach, should we stop doing that too? And finding a harpsichord performance of this is not difficult - there are several on YT - maybe type "harpsichord" along with the name?
Better listen for once to the original performance to give your opinion. This is an insult for Rameau. We don't perform Symphonies of Beethoven on synthesizers yet but musical taste obviously has degraded.
Rameau would have killed to have a piano forte (See NOTE) at his disposal. What makes many of his pieces exceptional is that they have the inherent dynamics of piano music. The crescendos, accents, etc. AND because of this, I take issue of adhering to the ornamentals which were, in my opinion, designed for the harpsichord attempting to deal with its mono-"issimo". This music transcends the instrument and the piano does it more justice.
NOTE: I only recently saw a forte reproduction being played and a major disappointment doesn't come close) at his disposal!
If it sounds good, it sounds good. There is no way of knowing what Rameau would have 'intended' because there was no piano for him to try it out on. It is ridiculous to be so rigid with other peoples' intentions.
Horrible! this is an insult to Rameau. This is not a piano piece. Rameau never wrote one single note for a modern factory made bombastic piano. This is a harpsichord piece PERIOD!
No one cares
Stop embarrassing yourself with these emotional rants against pianists, it's juvenile behavior!
The history of keyboard music spans over 700 years, and includes music for all kinds of keyboard instruments, including harpsichord, piano, and organ. Many composers played multiple instruments and they often played their own works on various different instruments, or adapted their works for other instruments, and Rameau was no exception.
One thing is for sure though, Rameau never wrote his pieces with the intention of uploading them to UA-cam, so I wonder why you are even here, if you're such a purist.
Since Rameau was not only a harpsichordist and violinist, but also an organist, maybe you could move to an organ channel and discuss this topic with organists instead of pianists. Or even better, why don't you go to a petting zoo or a children's farm and start attacking little hens for not sounding exactly like Rameau's 'La Poule' as played on a harpsichord?
As for Sokolov, if you are unable to at least acknowledge the extremely high quality of Sokolov's playing in these pieces by Rameau, then quite frankly, you have lost all credibility.
Apart from that, your argument against performing Rameau on a piano doesn't make any sense and is just as silly as claiming that you can't translate the Bible into any modern language, since those languages didn't exists when Jesus walked the earth.
And J S Bach keyboard music? That is no problematic? Why? It´s the same issue. I don´t understand this kind of comment, if you don´t like Rameau´s music played in the piano go to the thousand other videos with Rameau played in harpsichord.
@@codonauta Bach played on a piano? hahahahahahahaa only an idiot amateur would listen to that.
@@Mrs.Karen_Walker Yes, because that no one plays Bach on a piano.
The suite was intended for harpsichord but the use of so many trills etc on the piano makes the suite sound pretentious and disjointed. Careful use of ornaments is needed when played on a piano. So 4 out 10 for Sokolov, could do better.