Somebody who cares about the books and is enough of a control freak really needs to just make a 6 season TV series on HBO. If I had a billion dollars I might buy the rights and try to do it properly with no expectation of ever getting my investment back. The need to make Dune commercially viable at the movie theater just limits the story too much. I did like Dune Part One, and I'm encouraged by reviews like this one that Dune Part Two will also be good. But there's just no way it can ever be as good as the books, or a proper unrated premium cable/streaming series.
@@fakecubed I have the same bone to pick with Villeneuve. He skimmed down the story so much that it went from potentially being the next Game of Thrones/LOTR tier series to just a "great" sci-fi epic when it could've been a culturally impactful piece of fiction. We might be able to get a but closer to the books level of mastery however should we ever get the extended cuts which have like hours worth of deleted scenes.
Paul wasn't evil in the book. The whole point of the book is that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Paul was always trying to get the best outcome possible for everyone.
I've also read the book, and I agree. I never took Paul's character as being evil. He didn't use the Fremen, he became one of them and accepted their culture.
@@captainmofongo584 Well, he did use the Fremen's belief in Maud'Dib, but it was for the purpose of helping the Fremen take back the planet. The need for revenge didn't seem to be his number one goal.
It's not that Paul is evil, it's that his position or power attracts those that are. " Power attracts the corruptible" Frank Herbert said. And I agree. Paul's main problem is that he believes he can alter the storm by entering into it. But his efforts were doomed when he decided not to go off world and stay with the fremen.
The Battle of Helm's Deep is a battle, Dune is a campaign. It's a very different thing, which is necessarily shot from a wider focus. Think Stalingrad in Enemy at the Gates versus, say, Alexander (forget quality, just think outlook.) It's way easier to fuck up the campaign film than the battle one.
Paul was kinda locked into a particular set of futures. Prescience is a trap. The only way through that avoids Paul's death and defeat unfortunately leads to the Future in Messiah.
I knew nothing about Dune when I watched part one. I was so captivated by the movie that I spent hours on UA-cam learning about the Dune universe. The music was incredible and I found every part of the movie interesting. Part one was too short for me. I wanted another few hours.
@artcs No. I knew what Dune was since I was a kid but had no interest in it for some reason. I decided to watch part one last year and was completely blown away. I've seen that the 1980's version is on Max so maybe I'll check it out. Some of those 1980's movies can be rough. 😂
@@Bodhi594 Don't watch the David Lynch film. It is an abomination. The SciFi Channel Miniseries (which had a sequel covering books 2 and 3) was pretty good. But really you should read the books. Just the six that Frank Herbert wrote. At least listen to an audiobook or something.
The thing with book Chani is that she had a ton in common with Paul. She too wanted revenge big time. She too was grieving the death of her father who had been killed almost at the same time as Paul´s father. That really connected them in many levels. Chani was team Paul. But Paul and Chani were both team revenge! She was never going to try and hit the brakes on Paul. They almost fuel on each other. Which is something that book Jessica even starts having fear about. Book Jessica and book Chani have a couple confrontations because its Jessica who really starts questioning everything. And Chani is very much team Paul and lets go do all these things. Chani is a bit like....he is MINE and he is the one who is going to fulfill all the things I want. Then she has a bit of a character arc in which she will start to realize there are heavy consequences and she is not going to have all she wants. And by the end of book 1 she is more like someone who still fully supports Paul but is more aware and even ready to sacrifice herself if need be. This is where Jessica really starts giving new value to Chani. Jessica still has questions and issues but she now understands Chani is there for Paul and not her own personal revenge. Which, to be true, Chani did love Paul from the start. Its just that at the start they bond so much over revenge that one like Jessica could feel like the girl did not really love Paul but the idea of the war leader. Its quite complex! And its a shame they messed up with their motivations. Because their motivations are very much integral to their actions in the story to come. They will act precisely based on the things they believe. And its going to be huge plot points in Book 2, affecting all the way into Book 3.
Thank you for perfectly explaining what my sister and me felt after watching this. The change to Chanis character during the third act was really annoying to me and hurt the movie big time, Denis Villeneuve just constantly and unnecessarily keeps making things harder for himself and hurting the future movies. For absolutely no reason.
Gentlemen, well done. You did an excellent job of delivering an effective review without descending into spoilers. I look forward to your less restrained reviews after General Release.
Calling Paul evil in the book is a unfair over simplification. What Paul turned out to be was a flawed messiah. But you don't know that going in. Frank Herbert wanted to show the dangers of centralized governments and humanity's need to give up faculties for the promise of convenience and salvation.
Being a normie to Dune, what struck me about the film was the feeling that Paul almost had no choice other than to become what he was trying to avoid and the frightening realization of that becoming. The way this overarching (and sometimes dreadful)sense of predestination competes with the different political ambitions of each character was handled masterfully. I've seen Viiluneve's talk with Christopher Nolan, where he talks about remaining as loyal to Herbert's vision as possible, so I'm not exactly sure that was his intent. I was so gripped by the story of this film that I found myself actually becoming afraid when I began to realize that Paul was beginning to turn into a villain. I think I could literally watch both films together straight through and would love an extended version 😂 of part 2. This film was photographed beautifully, and the sheer sense of scope made me want to stay in that harsh desert world to see the final act. I hope the rest of Hollywood takes notes.
So, as a newbie as Chris would say, I loved Dune. I only watched the original a few months ago and the first part last week, and then the second part yesterday. I loved the practical effects, having real scale gives weight to a scene. The SFX were as good as any needs to be and served the story proper. The costumes, music, cinematography, acting, it all was terrific and Denis has proven several times over how reliable and good he is.
Book spoiler: Thank you for your explanations. I can't wait to watch Part 2. I never thought Paul as evil or good in Dune books, especially in Messiah. Paul is neighter one of them. He just creates a global process and he looses control over it. I never concluded to mysef that Paul is corrupted by power or egoistic and selfish intentions. He in fact admits to Chani in Dune: Messiah that he didn't want to cause all this universal uber-genoside. Paul get more lost into his visions. Paul is close to the Golden Path, but he cannot fix it, he does not have the guts to take on it. This makes him into what he is. We know what happens next after Paul's settlement of chaos. Just for me Paul is not Anakin/Darth Vader, he is much more complex. Of course this is just an oppinion.
As someone who hasn't read the books or seen any of the old movies, but have only seen Dune parts I and II... I absolutely loved it! I am now a Dune fan. Will be reading the books here soon...
Kind of bummed that we don't get to see Villeneuve's vision of the guild navigators, as I think their abilities and physical looks would have been awesome to see with today's special effects.
@@solarydays I'm a fan of Star Wars (EU/Legends) too man, but your fanboyism is showing hard. You're basically accusing anything not 50's-era sci-fi aesthetic of ripping off Star Wars' design. And Lucas has said before that Dune was a huge inspiration.
Denis Villeneuve is highly competent, high concept director ,that consistently produces top drawer quality SciFi ( Arrival, Blade Runner 2049) that the audience are for various reasons, a bit slow to react to, similar to Ridley Scott's trajectory in is earlier years ( Alien,Blade Runner).The man is long overdue a Billion Dollar Blockbuster. Like Chris Nolan had with The Dark Knight,( resulting in Interstellar and Inception),I sincerely hope that this is his moment now.We need bold directors like them to succeed so the studios can trust them more with their creative visions instead of all this A.I derived sludge we have been force fed of late.
I just saw it… it was great, of course, but I wish the _Dune_ story had been split into three parts, rather than just two 👍 _-Part 1_ ending with Paul choosing the name ‘Muad’Dib…’ so the story is about the death of Paul Atreides, and the birth of Paul Muad’Dib. _-Part 2_ exploring Paul and Jessica becoming part of the Fremen, and expanding the Harkonnens and Corrinos and Bene Gesserit, and ending with Paul drinking the Water of Life, and marching into that Fremen temple place and finally claiming the mantle of ‘Lisan Al-Gaib.’ _-Part 3_ would just be all-out war, with Paul going full Order 66 on the Harkonnens and such, ending with the birth of Emperor Paul, or whatever he’s called there 🤷🏻♂️ _-Messiah…_ less action, more of an epilogue, hopefully giving Paul some measure of redemption. nitpicks: - they did a “General Hux” on Stilgar and made him the comic relief for the first half. - the pacing and tone of the first act seemed a little odd, can’t remember why exactly 🤷🏻♂️ - I wanted more detail, like about all the Fremen sci-go tech and such… and more ornithopters. - the wispy fireworks on Geidi Prime looked bad. - Emperor Shaddam’s mobile palace and throne room did not at all resemble Carlo Scarpa’s Brion Tomb, where he lived on Kaitain… it was probably my least favorite bit of architecture in either movie. - I didn’t mind the way they handled Alia, but it did condense the timeline a whole lot, which is weird… maybe she could’ve been born, or even a small child in the final montage of the Holy War starting? - where the F was Thufir?! - the final act felt rushed… hence my wish for three parts. - why did the Fedaykin armor in Paul’s vision in _Part 1_ look so different? and why was Chani so chill about it then, but not now? - the final scene should’ve been longer, with more shots of people standing around with pensive looks on their faces… - and generally, I wish there were more visions. those were a huge part of the first movie, so where did they go? 🤔
@@ethancoster1324 My advice to readers is to read Dune. Then Stop. The subsequent novels by Herbert never again scale to that height, and the less said about the other books the better.
@@ethancoster1324 When you have finished Children of Dune, go back and re-read Dune, and then think on what you read in Messiah and Children and get back to me... If, at that point, you agree with me that they failed to rise to the level of Dune then for ghu's sake stop and proceed no further.
@@RodneyGraves Dunes more of a hero's journey shaped by prophecy, fanaticism, revenge and social/political engineering. Dune Messiah and Children appear to be a deconstruction of that narrative. Ala, perhaps Paul was wrong to use the Fremen and their beliefs for his own ends. Perhaps the following of a Messianic charismatic leader leads not to a utopian society but to the deterioration of fundamental cultural heritage and Paul's inability to control the zealotry that he started. Perhaps Paul's prescient abilities are more of a curse than a blessing given he appears to have no real agency outside of fulfilling one or more of the futures he sees.
Lasers making noise has been a trope since before _Forbidden Planet._ Every science fiction show or movie has the lasers making noise. It didn't start with _Star Wars._
I wanted the first movie to be about 30 minutes longer too, as a book fan, so I'm not terribly surprised to hear that you wanted this one to be longer, too, as a book fan.
I love part 1, but if I had to make one major criticism, it's that its pacing didn't quite work toward the end it either needed to be 20 minutes longer or 20 minutes shorter because it feels like it ended abruptly. I think they should have ended with them flying away into the sunset with the Harkonens chasing them after Dunacn Idaho died, after they crash landed, having them walk into the sunset, leaving the audience wondering if they'll find the Fremen, or immediately after we see the sandworm and it gets drawn away. The momentum was perfect up through the climax with the death of Leto, but after that, it felt like it was looking for a place to stop. I don't think they should have actually found the Fremen in that first movie. What we got at the very end with their introduction and the duel to the death felt like a very appropriate place to pick the story back up, not the place to end it.
@@Tyler_W I always thought they should end it with the funeral and naming ceremony. But I would add a couple scenes to the first half of the movie as well: Jessica and Yueh’s conversation, and then the dinner party. If they wanted to do drunk Duncan then Jessica’s meeting with Hawat as well, I wouldn’t turn it down, but they didn’t really lean into the “somebody’s going to betray us” storyline that much so it would probably require more changes. I dunno. I just basically want a TV series that does everything in the book with only those changes absolutely necessary to convey the internal monologues on screen.
My biggest issue with how they changed Chani's to a skeptic is with the last scene of the movie. It seems like she has written off Paul, which could really change where the plot goes in the next movie.
In the novel, Chani is a side character and "boring" is a good description of her. Apparently, we got a lot more of her in the movie than in the book and I can't stand Zendaya; how however really like Lady Jessica, played by a very good actress: Rebecca Ferguson. I have read the novel and I thought Part One was very watchable, BUT it seems that Denis Villeneuve have made - Part Two - way more changes compare to the novel and so, this is troubling. 😰
@@karinefonte516Adapting a novel for the big screen, I have no doubt changes are necessary, but still, you should stay as close as possible to the source material; Denis Villeneuve may have pushed the changes a bit too far - for my taste - in Part Two.
She was less involved in the second half of Dune, but was by no means a side character. My wife and I both found the most fault with Part One in the portrayal of Lady Jessica. Having not seen Part II yet, the best portrayal of Lady Jessica to date was Saskia Reeves in the Sci-Fi miniseries (2000).
I like that Film Threat brought up the use of more realistic laser weapon in Dune. As with Part 1 we saw this used sparingly and it looked realistic without the pew pew. The main reason for usage in the Dune universe takes into account that Herbert explained why lazguns aren't the prolific weapons of choice so far into the future are projectile weapons and munitions like missiles and on the personal level......pistols and swords. It wasn't explained in Part 1 but if a laser is used against a shielded platoform or a person, the interaction between the Holtzman shield tech and a laser would cause a small but devastating nuclear explosion thereby killing the attacker and defender. My nit in Part 1 was when we saw a Harkonned ship trying to laze Duncan Idaho's thopter which was shielded. Maybe this was an oversight by Denis.
It's more that there's a chance that the shield/laser interaction can backfire spectacularly, not that it will. The story is that it's 100%. But the reality might be 1%. The risk is Massive. So there would need to be a wider story reason why there's a profound "gap" that exists, despite the advantages, there would need to be a penalty for adopting the use of guerilla tactics, i.e. If people start using 4WD as weapons or drive into buildings/pedestrians ... the entire frame/structure of roads and sidewalks would have to change. If your lawnmower had a 1% chance of destroying an entire shopping center suddenly and without warning or error, you would probably not have a lawnmower in your house, forcing other people to absorb that potential disaster who were expendable or well protected. You'd also reconsider the entire use of lawnmowers and change your entire technology base. But, people will risk it, especially if they're in the military or politics. It's a plausible "accident". It has to be a constant risk and point of contention. A vulnerability they can't solve because a perfect shield would be immutable. You'd shield "Everything", everywhere, all at once. So you'd either see a defensive posture, or an aggressive posture in the use of noble and dirty tactics. Especially with Nobles having ambition and pride. Here's the problem. I can see why it exists. It's to stop the use of orbital weapons and orbital strikes on populated areas, and allows the more profane/elegant argument of nobility, i.e. you go against nobility at your peril, because they will be shielded, and the situation can backfire in a multitude of ways. It also has an achilles heel, and very likely the Emperor would need to kill anyone who starts to experiment with the Shield/Lasgun "cold war" effect, very, very harshly. Because if one faction figures out how to avoid the possibility of backfiring, or could trigger a shield to detonate/fail ... you suddenly have a useless weapon and a lot of vulnerable military targets. The peace has to be kept, and that involves cutting ties with anyone involved, victim or perpretrator. It also allows classic "cold weapons" and assassination weapons like Daggers, Missiles, cold weapons and heavy impact weaponry like spears, and kinetic rounds designed to bypass shields, i.e. needlers and poison release systems. But, it doesn't explain how it works. What does explain this "story" is if the Emperor prohibits the use of WMD level antagonism because it would escalate tension among the factions if one group started to target planets or suicide bomb large civilian targets for sympathy. And, they would need Carrot/Stick diplomacy to engage properly, because if someone brings a machete to a stick fight, that person needs to be obliterated harshly. If people started to adopt tactical weapons, the Emperor has to intervene harshly, or risk being outgunned and surrounded. i.e. as the odds decrease of sudden nuclear detonation, the more likely that people would still carry the weapons despite the risks. It has to be intrinsically random or lower than 10%. If it were closer to 1%, it would not be used as a tactical option, but a risk. Which is probably where the story intended it to be. If it's anything higher than 10%, you'd see it used tactically or as a terrorist weapon, i.e. rolling the dice that it could detonate. If someone can fire a handgun at a shielded city, and the city is nuked ... you can see what the threat / potential would be. This is a spacefaring empire. They'd still have shields and space-based laser weapons. And, given how estranged the houses are ... they likely have a prohibition on tactical / terrorist use of expendable drones / suicide ships that would leave a trace. Instead, they'd probably sabotage the guild navigators to kill their passenger ships and sacrifice a pilot/navigator. That the sardukar still use lasguns, is a sign that it's likely a prohibited weapon ... but it's within the use of tactical or applied use i.e. I think they use them on the sandworms at one point, IDK. I think they also use them during the original Harkonnen invasion, backed/hidden by the Emperor. And, this is a "peaceful time" before the Fremen engage in guerilla tactics and shed the pretense of being peaceful. i.e. Backstabbing, assassinations, poisoning, spies, kidnapping, torture, rape, et al. War of Houses and Nobles hiding the bodies from the Emperor's notice. We see later that the Emperor and the Houses are forbidden from using heavy weapons, except in the case where the Emperor gives up and the houses start killing each other anyway ... sic. And, I expect this is the ultimate reasoning ... It can happen, but in the situation where it does, plausible deniability doesn't save anyone.
@@sadomars2446 The music was great, and I loved the production values but the story was a bit of mess. They added too much nonsense (especially with the Baron) and deleted key story elements that made the movie feel very incomplete.
I am so looking forward to seeing this film. I can't wait. The first film got me to read the books, and I enjoyed them. I can't wait to see what they do in this film and how it all looks. The hype keep growing as each day passes
My wife knew nothing about Dune when we watched the first film. She needed me to explain heaps for her to truly understand what was going on. So for a normie the first part at least was really hard to follow.
I can't wait. Showtime this Thursday nite!!! Think i will rescan the book one more time just for kicks!!! For those who haven't read the book, read it. Frank Herbert writes in a VIEWPOINT narrative which gives u a feeling like u are a GOD looking down. Ur able to jumped into the head of each character and hear and feel what they feel.
Dune is one of the 4 or 5 science fiction books that I can count as my favorites. In my first 20 years of life I read it more than 20 times, partly translated into Italian (not a bad translation) and later into English. Every time with the same pleasure of being transported to an alien and (in)credible universe. I can still quote entire pages from memory. I've always thought that it's probably the most difficult book to translate into a movie. 1/2 is introspection and a percentage of the rest is explanation of the history of the universe. Hard to capture with a camera. The 1984 film wasn't bad for the time but it was just loosely tied to the story and its feel. The serial was better in some parts and quite bad in others. I pray that what you say is true and that I can finally return to that world. I held back from watching the first one because I want to binge watch them, especially if a Director's Cut comes out.... at least 5 hours each.
Books and films both tell stories but completely different mediums. The books are always much more detailed and descriptive. They can afford to be 2500 pages. Films don’t have the budget or the audience to sustain that. Rarely have I ever heard “the film was better than the book”. 😅😅 can’t wait to see it! Friday!!
only movie adaptation i've seen that i liked better than the book was ready player one...and that's because i hated the book and thought the movie was just mediocre
H. R. Giger is still not getting PROPER respect and CREDIT for the look of things in films that he directly contributed to. Geidi Prime is virtually and exclusively Giger's designs and imaginations. Denis and his team deserve tons of credit for bringing a true and realistic take on Giger's visions.
It should be judged as not knowing the books, since its a completely different medium when its on film. Dune is meant to provoke and ask you questions about religion. philosophy, class, conflict, etc.
I enjoyed the first one, and am really looking forward to this second one. I think the first movie does come across as a bit shallow in terms of adaptation and world building, it's good world building, it looks nice, there's just not much depth. People reflexively jump to movies having less time to fit everything in, but it's more than that, and we've seen plenty of adaptation films that aren't shallow, that do build the world thoroughly. But I still think it's a really good movie and it deserves success. Hopefully sci-fi dads rally to the cause.
It does have depth. Dune is quite literally known for its depth and philosophical themes. The thing is that Villeneuve skimmed down a huge amount of material from the first movie and he has probably done that with the sequel too to am extent. The first movie had an hour worth of deleted scenes which contributed a lot to the political and emotional intrigue which was lacking. I'm afraid we won't ever see the real Dune in all its glory unless Villeneuve releases the extended cuts.
We *might* have a gender-bending situation here, since the French actress Léa Seydoux plays Lady Margot Fenring and there are photos of scenes with Austin Butler's character.
Chris, I'm really interested to know if you've read the Foundation books, and what you think of the show. I've really enjoyed the show but I've only watched Season 1 so far, and I haven't read the books, and I understand that it diverges from the books. The reason I bring it up is, you were mentioning Harry Potter in this video, well now we are getting a Harry Potter TV show that is going to have the chance to do each book as a season, to really cover the material in a way that the movies had to skip through. TV has come a long way and it's very much on par with feature film quality now. So a more extended book to screen version is certainly achievable with the right vision and the right talent. Would you want Dune as a television series? With the production values and quality of shows such as Game of Thrones (earlier seasons obviously), House of the Dragon, Foundation, Silo, even look at the earlier seasons of Westworld or many other shows. Of course, on the other hand, you can also mention a lot of shows that are just disasters today, so...
I love Austin Butler. I enjoy Masters of the Air. No woke BS ! A solid war drama, very authentic in tone and attitude. Great first 4 Episodes, especially the third. I'm very sceptic about the next 4 Episodes considering which people are involved in directing and writing the other half of the series.
A North African/Middle Eastern actress would have been preferable. Zendaya ia from Oakland, FFS, and she always sounds like it. That's pretty much "the hood" of the Bay Area. Lol!
I don't care where she's from. What's important is can she act? From what I've read and UA-cam reviews of Dune 2 it sounds as if she does a serviceable job. It's after all called acting. Which means pretending. There's plenty of actresses from Oakland or North Africa/Middle East that are probably more talented. I just want the best actors, directors, screenwriters. @@kabukikommandofourthworld5266
@ Chris, lost the previous video I was watching. You were talking about the AH Board Game. As you are such a great fan of all things Dune. Have you heard the very old song called Shai Halud by Julia Ecklar?
Glad to hear this one leans closer to that R rating. The Dune saga really needs to be an X-rated 6 season television series with a high budget and go really into depth on everything covered in the books. Different seasons would be different lengths, based on the lengths of the six books. Even then some stuff just couldn't be put on screen.
I cannot wait to see this Movie Dune 2. Its about time we had some serious sci-fi from a true visionary director. Thank you Denis Villeneuve. And thanks Film Threat for getting me even more pumped to hit the cinema. Oh and its always a pleasure to see Alans dog licking his balls mid review.
I’ve been reading the book A Masterpiece In Disarray: David Lynch’s Dune - An Oral History. Really dives into the history of the Lynch version, from preproduction all the way to its legacy in our current time. Interviews were had with all manner of the production crew and actors and producers. (The book proclaims to also have an interview with Lynch, but it is a slight fabrication. Yes, there is a Lynch interview tacked on to the end but he spends almost zero time talking about Dune.) It’s a fascinating look into the idea and the subsequent ruination of the film due to financing and studio interference.
Watched this, and Frozen Empire back to back. The next day at sork,couldn't even remember this movie when telling coworkers for like 5 minutes. It was forgettable. Meanwhile I'll rush your ass as Harkonnen in Dune: Spice Wars. The Chani shit was lame, made me go rewatch the 80's version and listen to "Let's hear it for the boy".
Dune 2 is fantastic but it's not as great as Empire Strikes Back or Star Wars. It just isn't. But that doesn't take away from how great this film is. Now Chris may be referring to the battle scenes in particular and that would make more sense.
From everything I've heard, it's largely faithful to the spirit of the story, and what changes they did implement made sense for an adaptation to film. I'm good with that, but we'll see.
I recently rewatched the first part and I noticed many flaws, bad acting, and pacing issues, not liking it as much as before. I hope the second part is much better and that it ties both movies coherently together.
@@bherbo3943 Sorry, but Timothee has some weird Tommy Wiseau moments where he screams and it's not convincing. His act of a tough leader feels like he is projecting and not entirely natural. Almost everyone has this serious and monotone voice in almost every scene like there is not a drop of personality allowed. The only one who felt like having something keen to a personality was Jason Momoa with his natural charisma.
Yeah, those are definitely some personal hangups you have with it. As someone who has no interest in Chalamet on a personal level, he does a fine job and in no way can I compare him to Fuggin tommy wiseau. Sounds like you just don't like the movie. Doesn't make it flawed or bad
@@padenbang7375 You can't say it doesn't make the movie flawed, cause I just mentioned flaws. Timothee does a fine job until he is asked to bring more range, which doesn't work when he is screaming unconvincingly through his lungs. If you don't see an issue, that's fine, but in no way does it make my criticism less valid.
I just watched the first movie and I can’t wait to see part 2. I kinda got Eren Yeager-vibes from what I heard about Paul in this video. Is it a fair assessment? (If someone watched AoT)
The Dune novel is divided in three parts DUNE MUAD'DIB THE PROPHET A trilogy shot back-to-back like LOTR would've been the right thing to do. Villeneuve is by far not as invested and dedicated as Jackson was to adapt the original material. Also Paul is 15 in the beginning of the book and 22 in the end. Villeneuve did the mistake not to cast two actors for the part of Paul Atreides.
Denis Villeneuve is taking a break from the Dune franchise though, to direct the Arthur C Clarke masterpiece, Rendezvous with Rama (which in my opinion, far surpasses Dune in terms of scifi). If the cast is available, when Villeneuve returns to Dune for Part III, the timing could be perfect. That said, way more excited for Rama.
Two seperate serials, yes. Herbert decided for the publication of the novel to distinguish it in three parts. Villeneuve did not care and did a terrible job with the ending of part one. It should've ended with Paul and Jessica in the stilltent, after escaping the Harkonnens but marooned in the desert. Even the TV show did a better job with the cliffhanger.@@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526
I've always loved Herbert's "Dune," and have read it several times. But the book was bigger on philosophy than imagery, whereas the movie is the opposite, the imagery is amazing, but the philosophy is scarcely revealed. The movie is candy for the senses, but has little to offer to the mind, while the book is very mentally entertaining. I was surprised that in the movie, Liet Kines was a black woman, but in the book, Kines was a white, sandy-haired man, and father of Paul's love interest, Chani. The movie does a mis-justice to the characters, it doesn't reveal their real depth, strengths, and weaknesses, and as striking as the movie's visuals are, it comes nowhere close to telling the story. If you see like the movie, don't read the book, as you'll see how poorly the movie tells the story. On the other hand, the book is certainly a worthwhile read, and has some enlightening tangents.
While I understand where you're coming from, cinema and novels are just different forms of storytelling. The Dune novels are DENSE. It's 90% world building, lore and dialogue. I don't think anyone can argue that. It's a series that's largely been thought of as impossible to adapt to film, for that fact. To do a 1to1 adaptation, it would be 2-3 hrs of exposition and dialogue to get through 1/4 of the original novel. That doesn't make for entertaining cinema. The trick is to strike a balance and make compromises where possible. Would Dune make a better TV series adaptation? Possibly. But even then, I think it's just so lore and dialogue heavy that it would be too rote and dry to be entertaining. A cinema adaptation isn't just about pleasing the fans of the thing, it's about making the thing appeal to a much wider audience. Reading a novel is a much different experience than watching a movie. Villaneuve does a good job giving just enough lore and world building, to make an entertaining movie, that will lead people who are curious, to the novels.
Chani actress seemed immature at times. Like a 15 year old storming off all the time. That wasn’t the book. Obvious actress choice. They could have dialed it back.
The laser weaponry are more “cutting” beams as is seen from Babylon 5 (majority of the major races with the exception of the Centauri). The problem with the two Dune movies is the extremely abrupt ending of the first movie. The second movie is trying to do too much at one time and not covering anything with the Spacing Guild (from what was said in this post), who were much more prevalent in the book and noticeably absent in the second Dune movie. I’ll disagree with your opinion of Paul being “evil” and more of character growth from being spoiled and arrogant to having to make the most of a horrid series of events to ruthlessness that did not step into Harkonnen levels of sociopathy. Paul (and Chani) from the book was all about revenge on the House Harkonnen, and the Emperor, but not at the expense of his (House and Fremen) people in order to better the Atreides and Fremen peoples’ lives. Looking forward to seeing this in IMAX. Thanks again for the quick review.
I'm very skeptical that it can be a 9.5 out of 10 in today's era. Is it possible that you guys have been watching so much garbage lately that this looks like a literal masterpiece?
Same here. I'm a big sci-fi book fan but Dune and Foundation just seem to have this boredom/dullness shield that means I just can't get into them at all. I watched part 1 and other than a few visual bits I honestly couldn't tell you the plot. I hope Villeneuve makes Rendezvous with Rama more interesting, it's one of my favourites
He is a mix between Michael Corleone (book version) and Planet of the Apes' Caesar (original movie series). In fact Paul Atrides predated both of them.
@@seanhartel5362 all i know is Paul is always a hero to the fremen and atreides while slaughtering billions across the galaxies. Just like eren is always a hero to the eldians while (almost) annihilating the entire world. Im just saying both stories are very similiar in this way
I consider myself a fan of science-fiction books and movies. I've never read Dune, so I went into Dune 1 with an open mind. I was overwhelmed with boredom and confusion. I was confounded with the many positive reviews of this movie. Yes, it is shot well and the sets are interesting. The casts are loaded for these movies. I understand that building a world in 2.5 hours is near impossible, but other movies that were far less full of themselves did it better (Fifth Element, for example). I'm happy others enjoy Dune, but it isn't for me.
Dune is not supposed to be escapism. The books are more political education with a fictional example story and very important at that. I strongly recommend reading (or re-reading) the books. The Lnych adaptation is only enjoyable, if you keep it seperated from the books. They are more like Flash Gordon. The scope of the whole story exceeds far beyond terms of good and evil - that cannot be applied here.
Thank you. I think there is so much bad stuff out there that competent stuff gets wildly praised. I tried to watch Dune Part 1 but it was lifeless. Great to look at but dull and uninvolving. It's eye candy without heart.
Your milage clearly varied. As a long time fan of Dune I was deeply disappointed by the Lynch adaptation, and thus found Villeneuve's adaptation a perfectly reasonable translation of literature to cinema.
Dune is one of the very few times that I thought the movie was better than the book. Haven't seen the second movie but the book feels like someone ripped out half the chapters. I thought The First Law was the most overrated books I've read but since I've heard Dune praises since I was a child , I'd have to give my vote to Dune
Extended cut is mandatory for both parts of Dune. Mandatory!!!
Villeneuve has indicated that you will be disappointed.
I wish man. Villeneuve isn't a fan of extended cuts.
Somebody who cares about the books and is enough of a control freak really needs to just make a 6 season TV series on HBO. If I had a billion dollars I might buy the rights and try to do it properly with no expectation of ever getting my investment back. The need to make Dune commercially viable at the movie theater just limits the story too much.
I did like Dune Part One, and I'm encouraged by reviews like this one that Dune Part Two will also be good. But there's just no way it can ever be as good as the books, or a proper unrated premium cable/streaming series.
@@fakecubed I have the same bone to pick with Villeneuve. He skimmed down the story so much that it went from potentially being the next Game of Thrones/LOTR tier series to just a "great" sci-fi epic when it could've been a culturally impactful piece of fiction.
We might be able to get a but closer to the books level of mastery however should we ever get the extended cuts which have like hours worth of deleted scenes.
Paul wasn't evil in the book. The whole point of the book is that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Paul was always trying to get the best outcome possible for everyone.
I've also read the book, and I agree. I never took Paul's character as being evil. He didn't use the Fremen, he became one of them and accepted their culture.
@@captainmofongo584 Well, he did use the Fremen's belief in Maud'Dib, but it was for the purpose of helping the Fremen take back the planet. The need for revenge didn't seem to be his number one goal.
Hope Sam Altman takes note
It's not that Paul is evil, it's that his position or power attracts those that are. " Power attracts the corruptible" Frank Herbert said. And I agree. Paul's main problem is that he believes he can alter the storm by entering into it. But his efforts were doomed when he decided not to go off world and stay with the fremen.
@@DarthMerlinSpoilers.
In the book he seemed to become more aligned with vengeance after the death of his infant son Leto.
I was rolling at the name D2: The Mighty Dune! That's a good riff.
The Battle of Helm's Deep is a battle, Dune is a campaign. It's a very different thing, which is necessarily shot from a wider focus. Think Stalingrad in Enemy at the Gates versus, say, Alexander (forget quality, just think outlook.) It's way easier to fuck up the campaign film than the battle one.
Paul was kinda locked into a particular set of futures. Prescience is a trap. The only way through that avoids Paul's death and defeat unfortunately leads to the Future in Messiah.
I knew nothing about Dune when I watched part one. I was so captivated by the movie that I spent hours on UA-cam learning about the Dune universe. The music was incredible and I found every part of the movie interesting. Part one was too short for me. I wanted another few hours.
Have u seen the other 2 versions yet?
@@artcs I can't recommend the David Lynch version, but the Sci-Fi miniseries was entirely worthwhile.
@artcs No. I knew what Dune was since I was a kid but had no interest in it for some reason. I decided to watch part one last year and was completely blown away. I've seen that the 1980's version is on Max so maybe I'll check it out. Some of those 1980's movies can be rough. 😂
@@RodneyGraves I'll try and watch the miniseries. I think Gore said it was on UA-cam.
@@Bodhi594 Don't watch the David Lynch film. It is an abomination. The SciFi Channel Miniseries (which had a sequel covering books 2 and 3) was pretty good.
But really you should read the books. Just the six that Frank Herbert wrote. At least listen to an audiobook or something.
To say this is "the best since" Two Towers is NOT comparing this to it, it's comparing this to EVERYTHING ELSE SINCE.
Exactly
The thing with book Chani is that she had a ton in common with Paul.
She too wanted revenge big time. She too was grieving the death of her father who had been killed almost at the same time as Paul´s father.
That really connected them in many levels. Chani was team Paul. But Paul and Chani were both team revenge!
She was never going to try and hit the brakes on Paul. They almost fuel on each other. Which is something that book Jessica even starts having fear about.
Book Jessica and book Chani have a couple confrontations because its Jessica who really starts questioning everything. And Chani is very much team Paul and lets go do all these things.
Chani is a bit like....he is MINE and he is the one who is going to fulfill all the things I want.
Then she has a bit of a character arc in which she will start to realize there are heavy consequences and she is not going to have all she wants.
And by the end of book 1 she is more like someone who still fully supports Paul but is more aware and even ready to sacrifice herself if need be. This is where Jessica really starts giving new value to Chani. Jessica still has questions and issues but she now understands Chani is there for Paul and not her own personal revenge.
Which, to be true, Chani did love Paul from the start. Its just that at the start they bond so much over revenge that one like Jessica could feel like the girl did not really love Paul but the idea of the war leader.
Its quite complex!
And its a shame they messed up with their motivations. Because their motivations are very much integral to their actions in the story to come. They will act precisely based on the things they believe. And its going to be huge plot points in Book 2, affecting all the way into Book 3.
Thank you for perfectly explaining what my sister and me felt after watching this. The change to Chanis character during the third act was really annoying to me and hurt the movie big time, Denis Villeneuve just constantly and unnecessarily keeps making things harder for himself and hurting the future movies. For absolutely no reason.
Gentlemen, well done. You did an excellent job of delivering an effective review without descending into spoilers. I look forward to your less restrained reviews after General Release.
I have a soft spot for Lynches' Dune- the music from ToTo too
Changing Chani's character is a deal breaker for me. She was Sayyadina and a zealot. Making her a skeptic is wrong.
Calling Paul evil in the book is a unfair over simplification. What Paul turned out to be was a flawed messiah. But you don't know that going in. Frank Herbert wanted to show the dangers of centralized governments and humanity's need to give up faculties for the promise of convenience and salvation.
Got tickets for an IMAX showing next week with my mom, older brother and myself. And re-read the book already.
Being a normie to Dune, what struck me about the film was the feeling that Paul almost had no choice other than to become what he was trying to avoid and the frightening realization of that becoming. The way this overarching (and sometimes dreadful)sense of predestination competes with the different political ambitions of each character was handled masterfully. I've seen Viiluneve's talk with Christopher Nolan, where he talks about remaining as loyal to Herbert's vision as possible, so I'm not exactly sure that was his intent. I was so gripped by the story of this film that I found myself actually becoming afraid when I began to realize that Paul was beginning to turn into a villain. I think I could literally watch both films together straight through and would love an extended version 😂 of part 2. This film was photographed beautifully, and the sheer sense of scope made me want to stay in that harsh desert world to see the final act. I hope the rest of Hollywood takes notes.
Josh Brolin is killing it in every movie he is in. Loved him as Cable and Thanos as well.
"Goonies never say die!"
In conclusion, it’s better to watch the movie first before reading the book. Ive enjoyed it as a non-reader. And now Im gonna read the first book.
So, as a newbie as Chris would say, I loved Dune. I only watched the original a few months ago and the first part last week, and then the second part yesterday. I loved the practical effects, having real scale gives weight to a scene. The SFX were as good as any needs to be and served the story proper. The costumes, music, cinematography, acting, it all was terrific and Denis has proven several times over how reliable and good he is.
Book spoiler:
Thank you for your explanations. I can't wait to watch Part 2. I never thought Paul as evil or good in Dune books, especially in Messiah. Paul is neighter one of them. He just creates a global process and he looses control over it. I never concluded to mysef that Paul is corrupted by power or egoistic and selfish intentions. He in fact admits to Chani in Dune: Messiah that he didn't want to cause all this universal uber-genoside. Paul get more lost into his visions. Paul is close to the Golden Path, but he cannot fix it, he does not have the guts to take on it. This makes him into what he is. We know what happens next after Paul's settlement of chaos.
Just for me Paul is not Anakin/Darth Vader, he is much more complex. Of course this is just an oppinion.
As someone who hasn't read the books or seen any of the old movies, but have only seen Dune parts I and II... I absolutely loved it! I am now a Dune fan. Will be reading the books here soon...
I'm going on a double feature on Wednesday with Dune 1 and 2. Hype!
Kind of bummed that we don't get to see Villeneuve's vision of the guild navigators, as I think their abilities and physical looks would have been awesome to see with today's special effects.
They will be in Dune: Messiah (aka Dune 3) so make sure to support D2 so we get it!
@@solarydaysStar Wars was based off of Dune
@@solarydays You're also basically saying anything that's "blocky" (very vague term) and sci-fi is a Star Wars design ripoff, which is absurd.
@@solarydays I'm a fan of Star Wars (EU/Legends) too man, but your fanboyism is showing hard. You're basically accusing anything not 50's-era sci-fi aesthetic of ripping off Star Wars' design. And Lucas has said before that Dune was a huge inspiration.
@@solarydays You're saying that "blocky" sci-fi designs are all a ripoff of Star Wars and *I'm* the one that's reaching?
Denis Villeneuve is highly competent, high concept director ,that consistently produces top drawer quality SciFi ( Arrival, Blade Runner 2049) that the audience are for various reasons, a bit slow to react to, similar to Ridley Scott's trajectory in is earlier years ( Alien,Blade Runner).The man is long overdue a Billion Dollar Blockbuster. Like Chris Nolan had with The Dark Knight,( resulting in Interstellar and Inception),I sincerely hope that this is his moment now.We need bold directors like them to succeed so the studios can trust them more with their creative visions instead of all this A.I derived sludge we have been force fed of late.
I hope they release a version with both parts together as one movie
I just saw it…
it was great, of course, but I wish the _Dune_ story had been split into three parts, rather than just two 👍
_-Part 1_ ending with Paul choosing the name ‘Muad’Dib…’ so the story is about the death of Paul Atreides, and the birth of Paul Muad’Dib.
_-Part 2_ exploring Paul and Jessica becoming part of the Fremen, and expanding the Harkonnens and Corrinos and Bene Gesserit, and ending with Paul drinking the Water of Life, and marching into that Fremen temple place and finally claiming the mantle of ‘Lisan Al-Gaib.’
_-Part 3_ would just be all-out war, with Paul going full Order 66 on the Harkonnens and such, ending with the birth of Emperor Paul, or whatever he’s called there 🤷🏻♂️
_-Messiah…_ less action, more of an epilogue, hopefully giving Paul some measure of redemption.
nitpicks:
- they did a “General Hux” on Stilgar and made him the comic relief for the first half.
- the pacing and tone of the first act seemed a little odd, can’t remember why exactly 🤷🏻♂️
- I wanted more detail, like about all the Fremen sci-go tech and such… and more ornithopters.
- the wispy fireworks on Geidi Prime looked bad.
- Emperor Shaddam’s mobile palace and throne room did not at all resemble Carlo Scarpa’s Brion Tomb, where he lived on Kaitain… it was probably my least favorite bit of architecture in either movie.
- I didn’t mind the way they handled Alia, but it did condense the timeline a whole lot, which is weird… maybe she could’ve been born, or even a small child in the final montage of the Holy War starting?
- where the F was Thufir?!
- the final act felt rushed… hence my wish for three parts.
- why did the Fedaykin armor in Paul’s vision in _Part 1_ look so different? and why was Chani so chill about it then, but not now?
- the final scene should’ve been longer, with more shots of people standing around with pensive looks on their faces…
- and generally, I wish there were more visions. those were a huge part of the first movie, so where did they go? 🤔
I’m really wondering how part 3 will turn out since that’s supposed to be the trippiest story of all.
Read the books.
@@ethancoster1324 My advice to readers is to read Dune. Then Stop.
The subsequent novels by Herbert never again scale to that height, and the less said about the other books the better.
@@RodneyGraves I'm reading Children and it's by far easier to follow then Messiah.
@@ethancoster1324 When you have finished Children of Dune, go back and re-read Dune, and then think on what you read in Messiah and Children and get back to me... If, at that point, you agree with me that they failed to rise to the level of Dune then for ghu's sake stop and proceed no further.
@@RodneyGraves Dunes more of a hero's journey shaped by prophecy, fanaticism, revenge and social/political engineering.
Dune Messiah and Children appear to be a deconstruction of that narrative. Ala, perhaps Paul was wrong to use the Fremen and their beliefs for his own ends. Perhaps the following of a Messianic charismatic leader leads not to a utopian society but to the deterioration of fundamental cultural heritage and Paul's inability to control the zealotry that he started. Perhaps Paul's prescient abilities are more of a curse than a blessing given he appears to have no real agency outside of fulfilling one or more of the futures he sees.
Lasers making noise has been a trope since before _Forbidden Planet._ Every science fiction show or movie has the lasers making noise. It didn't start with _Star Wars._
I wanted the first movie to be about 30 minutes longer too, as a book fan, so I'm not terribly surprised to hear that you wanted this one to be longer, too, as a book fan.
I love part 1, but if I had to make one major criticism, it's that its pacing didn't quite work toward the end it either needed to be 20 minutes longer or 20 minutes shorter because it feels like it ended abruptly. I think they should have ended with them flying away into the sunset with the Harkonens chasing them after Dunacn Idaho died, after they crash landed, having them walk into the sunset, leaving the audience wondering if they'll find the Fremen, or immediately after we see the sandworm and it gets drawn away. The momentum was perfect up through the climax with the death of Leto, but after that, it felt like it was looking for a place to stop. I don't think they should have actually found the Fremen in that first movie. What we got at the very end with their introduction and the duel to the death felt like a very appropriate place to pick the story back up, not the place to end it.
@@Tyler_W I always thought they should end it with the funeral and naming ceremony. But I would add a couple scenes to the first half of the movie as well: Jessica and Yueh’s conversation, and then the dinner party. If they wanted to do drunk Duncan then Jessica’s meeting with Hawat as well, I wouldn’t turn it down, but they didn’t really lean into the “somebody’s going to betray us” storyline that much so it would probably require more changes.
I dunno. I just basically want a TV series that does everything in the book with only those changes absolutely necessary to convey the internal monologues on screen.
I intentionally didn't read the book or watch any other adaptations of Dune, and this is one of my favorite movies I've ever seen
My biggest issue with how they changed Chani's to a skeptic is with the last scene of the movie. It seems like she has written off Paul, which could really change where the plot goes in the next movie.
The spice must flow.
In the novel, Chani is a side character and "boring" is a good description of her.
Apparently, we got a lot more of her in the movie than in the book and I can't stand Zendaya; how however really like Lady Jessica, played by a very good actress: Rebecca Ferguson.
I have read the novel and I thought Part One was very watchable, BUT it seems that Denis Villeneuve have made - Part Two - way more changes compare to the novel and so, this is troubling. 😰
Sometimes it's needed. As long as the lore is not utterly trampled, it can bend a little here and there.
@@karinefonte516 Alia has certainly been bent.
@@karinefonte516Adapting a novel for the big screen, I have no doubt changes are necessary, but still, you should stay as close as possible to the source material; Denis Villeneuve may have pushed the changes a bit too far - for my taste - in Part Two.
@@ethancoster1324 Indeed, for people who haven't read the novel, Alia is four(4) years old!
She was less involved in the second half of Dune, but was by no means a side character. My wife and I both found the most fault with Part One in the portrayal of Lady Jessica. Having not seen Part II yet, the best portrayal of Lady Jessica to date was Saskia Reeves in the Sci-Fi miniseries (2000).
Next Thursday can't come soon enough.
Dune 2: Electric Boogaloo.
I like that Film Threat brought up the use of more realistic laser weapon in Dune. As with Part 1 we saw this used sparingly and it looked realistic without the pew pew. The main reason for usage in the Dune universe takes into account that Herbert explained why lazguns aren't the prolific weapons of choice so far into the future are projectile weapons and munitions like missiles and on the personal level......pistols and swords. It wasn't explained in Part 1 but if a laser is used against a shielded platoform or a person, the interaction between the Holtzman shield tech and a laser would cause a small but devastating nuclear explosion thereby killing the attacker and defender. My nit in Part 1 was when we saw a Harkonned ship trying to laze Duncan Idaho's thopter which was shielded. Maybe this was an oversight by Denis.
It's more that there's a chance that the shield/laser interaction can backfire spectacularly, not that it will.
The story is that it's 100%. But the reality might be 1%. The risk is Massive. So there would need to be a wider story reason why there's a profound "gap" that exists, despite the advantages, there would need to be a penalty for adopting the use of guerilla tactics,
i.e. If people start using 4WD as weapons or drive into buildings/pedestrians ... the entire frame/structure of roads and sidewalks would have to change.
If your lawnmower had a 1% chance of destroying an entire shopping center suddenly and without warning or error, you would probably not have a lawnmower in your house, forcing other people to absorb that potential disaster who were expendable or well protected. You'd also reconsider the entire use of lawnmowers and change your entire technology base.
But, people will risk it, especially if they're in the military or politics. It's a plausible "accident". It has to be a constant risk and point of contention. A vulnerability they can't solve because a perfect shield would be immutable. You'd shield "Everything", everywhere, all at once. So you'd either see a defensive posture, or an aggressive posture in the use of noble and dirty tactics. Especially with Nobles having ambition and pride.
Here's the problem. I can see why it exists.
It's to stop the use of orbital weapons and orbital strikes on populated areas, and allows the more profane/elegant argument of nobility, i.e. you go against nobility at your peril, because they will be shielded, and the situation can backfire in a multitude of ways.
It also has an achilles heel, and very likely the Emperor would need to kill anyone who starts to experiment with the Shield/Lasgun "cold war" effect, very, very harshly. Because if one faction figures out how to avoid the possibility of backfiring, or could trigger a shield to detonate/fail ... you suddenly have a useless weapon and a lot of vulnerable military targets.
The peace has to be kept, and that involves cutting ties with anyone involved, victim or perpretrator.
It also allows classic "cold weapons" and assassination weapons like Daggers, Missiles, cold weapons and heavy impact weaponry like spears, and kinetic rounds designed to bypass shields, i.e. needlers and poison release systems.
But, it doesn't explain how it works.
What does explain this "story" is if the Emperor prohibits the use of WMD level antagonism because it would escalate tension among the factions if one group started to target planets or suicide bomb large civilian targets for sympathy.
And, they would need Carrot/Stick diplomacy to engage properly, because if someone brings a machete to a stick fight, that person needs to be obliterated harshly. If people started to adopt tactical weapons, the Emperor has to intervene harshly, or risk being outgunned and surrounded.
i.e. as the odds decrease of sudden nuclear detonation, the more likely that people would still carry the weapons despite the risks. It has to be intrinsically random or lower than 10%.
If it were closer to 1%, it would not be used as a tactical option, but a risk. Which is probably where the story intended it to be. If it's anything higher than 10%, you'd see it used tactically or as a terrorist weapon, i.e. rolling the dice that it could detonate.
If someone can fire a handgun at a shielded city, and the city is nuked ... you can see what the threat / potential would be. This is a spacefaring empire. They'd still have shields and space-based laser weapons. And, given how estranged the houses are ... they likely have a prohibition on tactical / terrorist use of expendable drones / suicide ships that would leave a trace.
Instead, they'd probably sabotage the guild navigators to kill their passenger ships and sacrifice a pilot/navigator.
That the sardukar still use lasguns, is a sign that it's likely a prohibited weapon ... but it's within the use of tactical or applied use i.e. I think they use them on the sandworms at one point, IDK. I think they also use them during the original Harkonnen invasion, backed/hidden by the Emperor. And, this is a "peaceful time" before the Fremen engage in guerilla tactics and shed the pretense of being peaceful. i.e. Backstabbing, assassinations, poisoning, spies, kidnapping, torture, rape, et al. War of Houses and Nobles hiding the bodies from the Emperor's notice.
We see later that the Emperor and the Houses are forbidden from using heavy weapons, except in the case where the Emperor gives up and the houses start killing each other anyway ... sic. And, I expect this is the ultimate reasoning ... It can happen, but in the situation where it does, plausible deniability doesn't save anyone.
Good take.....I like. You may have made the largest post every seen words wise. Very entertaining.
I loved the 1st movie, so I can listen to the reviews of the sequel all day!
I loved Lynch’s Dune also!
@@sadomars2446 The music was great, and I loved the production values but the story was a bit of mess. They added too much nonsense (especially with the Baron) and deleted key story elements that made the movie feel very incomplete.
I am so looking forward to seeing this film. I can't wait. The first film got me to read the books, and I enjoyed them. I can't wait to see what they do in this film and how it all looks. The hype keep growing as each day passes
My wife knew nothing about Dune when we watched the first film. She needed me to explain heaps for her to truly understand what was going on. So for a normie the first part at least was really hard to follow.
I can't wait. Showtime this Thursday nite!!! Think i will rescan the book one more time just for kicks!!! For those who haven't read the book, read it. Frank Herbert writes in a VIEWPOINT narrative which gives u a feeling like u are a GOD looking down. Ur able to jumped into the head of each character and hear and feel what they feel.
I will not spend another $ on Hollyweird until DEI is gone.
100% 👏 👏 👏
Wow. You're so brave. So stunning.
Dune is one of the 4 or 5 science fiction books that I can count as my favorites. In my first 20 years of life I read it more than 20 times, partly translated into Italian (not a bad translation) and later into English. Every time with the same pleasure of being transported to an alien and (in)credible universe. I can still quote entire pages from memory.
I've always thought that it's probably the most difficult book to translate into a movie. 1/2 is introspection and a percentage of the rest is explanation of the history of the universe. Hard to capture with a camera. The 1984 film wasn't bad for the time but it was just loosely tied to the story and its feel. The serial was better in some parts and quite bad in others.
I pray that what you say is true and that I can finally return to that world.
I held back from watching the first one because I want to binge watch them, especially if a Director's Cut comes out.... at least 5 hours each.
I am a super fan of Dune, so this was such a treat to hear that it is good. Can't wait to see it when I can.
The Spice Diver cut is great. Gave me a better appreciation for the film .
Books and films both tell stories but completely different mediums. The books are always much more detailed and descriptive. They can afford to be 2500 pages. Films don’t have the budget or the audience to sustain that.
Rarely have I ever heard “the film was better than the book”. 😅😅 can’t wait to see it! Friday!!
only movie adaptation i've seen that i liked better than the book was ready player one...and that's because i hated the book and thought the movie was just mediocre
@@idawg7332 The Last of the Mohicans. The novel is a challenging read, the movie is sublime.
H. R. Giger is still not getting PROPER respect and CREDIT for the look of things in films that he directly contributed to. Geidi Prime is virtually and exclusively Giger's designs and imaginations. Denis and his team deserve tons of credit for bringing a true and realistic take on Giger's visions.
Alan Ng, I glad the movie is a little dense, because the novel is definitely dense and Dune Messiah is even more dense! A SCI-FI movie for adults 👍👍.
I was so bored by part 1 that I can't be bothered with part 2 and I loved the book.
Chris Gore claims to have read the books and love them. Chris Gore has completely misunderstood the book and missed it's point entirely.
The David Lynch movie would've been two movies it was made today.
D2: The Mighty Dune (i understood, and love dthat reference)
It should be judged as not knowing the books, since its a completely different medium when its on film. Dune is meant to provoke and ask you questions about religion. philosophy, class, conflict, etc.
The planet Harkona! lol!
I enjoyed the first one, and am really looking forward to this second one. I think the first movie does come across as a bit shallow in terms of adaptation and world building, it's good world building, it looks nice, there's just not much depth. People reflexively jump to movies having less time to fit everything in, but it's more than that, and we've seen plenty of adaptation films that aren't shallow, that do build the world thoroughly. But I still think it's a really good movie and it deserves success. Hopefully sci-fi dads rally to the cause.
It does have depth. Dune is quite literally known for its depth and philosophical themes. The thing is that Villeneuve skimmed down a huge amount of material from the first movie and he has probably done that with the sequel too to am extent. The first movie had an hour worth of deleted scenes which contributed a lot to the political and emotional intrigue which was lacking. I'm afraid we won't ever see the real Dune in all its glory unless Villeneuve releases the extended cuts.
So, I guess there’s no scene with Count Fenring deciding to side with Paul.
We *might* have a gender-bending situation here, since the French actress Léa Seydoux plays Lady Margot Fenring and there are photos of scenes with Austin Butler's character.
I dislike any movie about sand.
I hate sand.
It’s gets everywhere.
Ok Anakin
Found Anakin's burner account
Is that a John Carter reference?Because Tattoine is Arrakis and Arrakis is Barsoom 2.0
Chris, I'm really interested to know if you've read the Foundation books, and what you think of the show. I've really enjoyed the show but I've only watched Season 1 so far, and I haven't read the books, and I understand that it diverges from the books. The reason I bring it up is, you were mentioning Harry Potter in this video, well now we are getting a Harry Potter TV show that is going to have the chance to do each book as a season, to really cover the material in a way that the movies had to skip through. TV has come a long way and it's very much on par with feature film quality now. So a more extended book to screen version is certainly achievable with the right vision and the right talent. Would you want Dune as a television series? With the production values and quality of shows such as Game of Thrones (earlier seasons obviously), House of the Dragon, Foundation, Silo, even look at the earlier seasons of Westworld or many other shows. Of course, on the other hand, you can also mention a lot of shows that are just disasters today, so...
Give me Dune and Dune Messiah!!!
I love Austin Butler.
I enjoy Masters of the Air. No woke BS ! A solid war drama, very authentic in tone and attitude.
Great first 4 Episodes, especially the third.
I'm very sceptic about the next 4 Episodes considering which people are involved in directing and writing the other half of the series.
Sounds like it was cut to shallowness like part one. And no director's cut in sight ... Ill wait for the mini series thatll make up for this trilogy
Probably the third movie will cover his regrets and the horror he sees in his precognative visions
Come on Chris, you know why there's no chemistry between Paul & Chani...Zendaya is just not a very good actress...
A North African/Middle Eastern actress would have been preferable. Zendaya ia from Oakland, FFS, and she always sounds like it. That's pretty much "the hood" of the Bay Area. Lol!
I don't care where she's from. What's important is can she act? From what I've read and UA-cam reviews of Dune 2 it sounds as if she does a serviceable job. It's after all called acting. Which means pretending. There's plenty of actresses from Oakland or North Africa/Middle East that are probably more talented. I just want the best actors, directors, screenwriters. @@kabukikommandofourthworld5266
@ Chris, lost the previous video I was watching. You were talking about the AH Board Game. As you are such a great fan of all things Dune. Have you heard the very old song called Shai Halud by Julia Ecklar?
Glad to hear this one leans closer to that R rating. The Dune saga really needs to be an X-rated 6 season television series with a high budget and go really into depth on everything covered in the books. Different seasons would be different lengths, based on the lengths of the six books. Even then some stuff just couldn't be put on screen.
Not seen it yet but I have read the book and seen all the previous iterations. I am really enjoying vicariously your views on the film (pun intended)
I cannot wait to see this Movie Dune 2. Its about time we had some serious sci-fi from a true visionary director. Thank you Denis Villeneuve. And thanks Film Threat for getting me even more pumped to hit the cinema. Oh and its always a pleasure to see Alans dog licking his balls mid review.
Cheers to quality sci fi! Star Wars for adults indeed! Just as Herbert said.
I’ve been reading the book A Masterpiece In Disarray: David Lynch’s Dune - An Oral History. Really dives into the history of the Lynch version, from preproduction all the way to its legacy in our current time. Interviews were had with all manner of the production crew and actors and producers. (The book proclaims to also have an interview with Lynch, but it is a slight fabrication. Yes, there is a Lynch interview tacked on to the end but he spends almost zero time talking about Dune.) It’s a fascinating look into the idea and the subsequent ruination of the film due to financing and studio interference.
Most of the people I watch for movie reviews have said mostly positive things about the movie
Watched this, and Frozen Empire back to back. The next day at sork,couldn't even remember this movie when telling coworkers for like 5 minutes.
It was forgettable. Meanwhile I'll rush your ass as Harkonnen in Dune: Spice Wars. The Chani shit was lame, made me go rewatch the 80's version and listen to "Let's hear it for the boy".
Dune 2 is fantastic but it's not as great as Empire Strikes Back or Star Wars. It just isn't. But that doesn't take away from how great this film is. Now Chris may be referring to the battle scenes in particular and that would make more sense.
It was excellent but agreed it doesn't really compare to LotR (best movies ever) and the Star Wars OT.
Can wait to watch Dune 2. Love Anya.
Sounds good can’t wait to see it
I had a feeling they won't follow the book...😒
From everything I've heard, it's largely faithful to the spirit of the story, and what changes they did implement made sense for an adaptation to film. I'm good with that, but we'll see.
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I recently rewatched the first part and I noticed many flaws, bad acting, and pacing issues, not liking it as much as before. I hope the second part is much better and that it ties both movies coherently together.
Bad acting lol
@@bherbo3943 Sorry, but Timothee has some weird Tommy Wiseau moments where he screams and it's not convincing. His act of a tough leader feels like he is projecting and not entirely natural.
Almost everyone has this serious and monotone voice in almost every scene like there is not a drop of personality allowed. The only one who felt like having something keen to a personality was Jason Momoa with his natural charisma.
Yeah, those are definitely some personal hangups you have with it. As someone who has no interest in Chalamet on a personal level, he does a fine job and in no way can I compare him to Fuggin tommy wiseau. Sounds like you just don't like the movie. Doesn't make it flawed or bad
@@padenbang7375 You can't say it doesn't make the movie flawed, cause I just mentioned flaws. Timothee does a fine job until he is asked to bring more range, which doesn't work when he is screaming unconvincingly through his lungs. If you don't see an issue, that's fine, but in no way does it make my criticism less valid.
I'm only here to see House Harkonnen and the Sadukhar ripped to shreds, rendered into dust, or resting uncomfortably in the stomachs of the Sandworms.
And sandworms defecating from their dead eaten corpses. 😂
youtube removed my dune 2 review video
I love this channel!
I just watched the first movie and I can’t wait to see part 2. I kinda got Eren Yeager-vibes from what I heard about Paul in this video. Is it a fair assessment? (If someone watched AoT)
Is he doing all three flims just from the first book ?
The Dune novel is divided in three parts
DUNE
MUAD'DIB
THE PROPHET
A trilogy shot back-to-back like LOTR would've been the right thing to do. Villeneuve is by far not as invested and dedicated as Jackson was to adapt the original material.
Also Paul is 15 in the beginning of the book and 22 in the end.
Villeneuve did the mistake not to cast two actors for the part of Paul Atreides.
Denis Villeneuve is taking a break from the Dune franchise though, to direct the Arthur C Clarke masterpiece, Rendezvous with Rama (which in my opinion, far surpasses Dune in terms of scifi). If the cast is available, when Villeneuve returns to Dune for Part III, the timing could be perfect. That said, way more excited for Rama.
Part III will not be The Prophet but Messiah which is actually Part IV
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Dune was originally divided in two parts in Analog magazine: Dune World (1963) and The Prophet of Dune (1964).
Two seperate serials, yes. Herbert decided for the publication of the novel to distinguish it in three parts. Villeneuve did not care and did a terrible job with the ending of part one. It should've ended with Paul and Jessica in the stilltent, after escaping the Harkonnens but marooned in the desert. Even the TV show did a better job with the cliffhanger.@@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526
I replied to you , but can't see it.@@carlosaugustodinizgarcia3526
I've always loved Herbert's "Dune," and have read it several times. But the book was bigger on philosophy than imagery, whereas the movie is the opposite, the imagery is amazing, but the philosophy is scarcely revealed. The movie is candy for the senses, but has little to offer to the mind, while the book is very mentally entertaining. I was surprised that in the movie, Liet Kines was a black woman, but in the book, Kines was a white, sandy-haired man, and father of Paul's love interest, Chani. The movie does a mis-justice to the characters, it doesn't reveal their real depth, strengths, and weaknesses, and as striking as the movie's visuals are, it comes nowhere close to telling the story. If you see like the movie, don't read the book, as you'll see how poorly the movie tells the story. On the other hand, the book is certainly a worthwhile read, and has some enlightening tangents.
While I understand where you're coming from, cinema and novels are just different forms of storytelling. The Dune novels are DENSE. It's 90% world building, lore and dialogue. I don't think anyone can argue that. It's a series that's largely been thought of as impossible to adapt to film, for that fact. To do a 1to1 adaptation, it would be 2-3 hrs of exposition and dialogue to get through 1/4 of the original novel. That doesn't make for entertaining cinema. The trick is to strike a balance and make compromises where possible. Would Dune make a better TV series adaptation? Possibly. But even then, I think it's just so lore and dialogue heavy that it would be too rote and dry to be entertaining. A cinema adaptation isn't just about pleasing the fans of the thing, it's about making the thing appeal to a much wider audience. Reading a novel is a much different experience than watching a movie. Villaneuve does a good job giving just enough lore and world building, to make an entertaining movie, that will lead people who are curious, to the novels.
I wonder if they include the death of Leto II, Paul’s son?
Leto II's death was offscreen (though seen presciently by Paul) in the book...
Technically, you DO
Release the cuts - i don't care if you don't believe, I believe...!!! ; )
The Planet Harkonna. ROFL :)
Yeah, he's too excitable that he forgot Giedi Prime. Must be THAT good. Can't hardly wait.
Chani actress seemed immature at times. Like a 15 year old storming off all the time. That wasn’t the book. Obvious actress choice. They could have dialed it back.
The laser weaponry are more “cutting” beams as is seen from Babylon 5 (majority of the major races with the exception of the Centauri). The problem with the two Dune movies is the extremely abrupt ending of the first movie. The second movie is trying to do too much at one time and not covering anything with the Spacing Guild (from what was said in this post), who were much more prevalent in the book and noticeably absent in the second Dune movie. I’ll disagree with your opinion of Paul being “evil” and more of character growth from being spoiled and arrogant to having to make the most of a horrid series of events to ruthlessness that did not step into Harkonnen levels of sociopathy. Paul (and Chani) from the book was all about revenge on the House Harkonnen, and the Emperor, but not at the expense of his (House and Fremen) people in order to better the Atreides and Fremen peoples’ lives.
Looking forward to seeing this in IMAX.
Thanks again for the quick review.
I'm very skeptical that it can be a 9.5 out of 10 in today's era. Is it possible that you guys have been watching so much garbage lately that this looks like a literal masterpiece?
On the strength of Part 1 I'd say Chris's ranking is well within reason.
Knew they would change crap for woke reasons no matter how blind Chris’ love for this it’s sad
i found the dune films boring......maybe not my bag
Same here. I'm a big sci-fi book fan but Dune and Foundation just seem to have this boredom/dullness shield that means I just can't get into them at all. I watched part 1 and other than a few visual bits I honestly couldn't tell you the plot. I hope Villeneuve makes Rendezvous with Rama more interesting, it's one of my favourites
@@MrStratofish whole-heartedly agree with you both.
to millenials and gen z. Paul is as much a 'hero' as Eren Yaeger
A hero for the Fremen and Atreides, absolutely. Everyone else in the universe: not so much. Heroes are always subjective.
He is a mix between Michael Corleone (book version) and Planet of the Apes' Caesar (original movie series).
In fact Paul Atrides predated both of them.
@@seanhartel5362 yes, thats what eren yeager is. He was presented as a hero, motivated by burning vengeance, as the story proceed, it changes
@@adan3956 so when did Paul stop being a hero for house Atreides and the Fremen?
@@seanhartel5362 all i know is Paul is always a hero to the fremen and atreides while slaughtering billions across the galaxies. Just like eren is always a hero to the eldians while (almost) annihilating the entire world. Im just saying both stories are very similiar in this way
Stop talking over eachother
I consider myself a fan of science-fiction books and movies. I've never read Dune, so I went into Dune 1 with an open mind. I was overwhelmed with boredom and confusion. I was confounded with the many positive reviews of this movie. Yes, it is shot well and the sets are interesting. The casts are loaded for these movies. I understand that building a world in 2.5 hours is near impossible, but other movies that were far less full of themselves did it better (Fifth Element, for example). I'm happy others enjoy Dune, but it isn't for me.
All you ever complain about when reviewing movies is “the movies are too long”. Now the movie isn’t long enough. Never satisfied. SMH
Dune is not supposed to be escapism. The books are more political education with a fictional example story and very important at that. I strongly recommend reading (or re-reading) the books. The Lnych adaptation is only enjoyable, if you keep it seperated from the books. They are more like Flash Gordon. The scope of the whole story exceeds far beyond terms of good and evil - that cannot be applied here.
Austin Butler was really good in Masters of the Air
Villeneuve's DUNE is not a great adaption !
Thank you. I think there is so much bad stuff out there that competent stuff gets wildly praised. I tried to watch Dune Part 1 but it was lifeless. Great to look at but dull and uninvolving. It's eye candy without heart.
D- for costume and set-design.@@solarydays
Please check out the review of DUNE by Voxis Production,Smack Talk, it's hillarious. @@freedone.
I replied to you,but I can't see it. Probably someone deletes my comments. Allen and Chris please don't.@@freedone.
Your milage clearly varied. As a long time fan of Dune I was deeply disappointed by the Lynch adaptation, and thus found Villeneuve's adaptation a perfectly reasonable translation of literature to cinema.
Dune is one of the very few times that I thought the movie was better than the book. Haven't seen the second movie but the book feels like someone ripped out half the chapters. I thought The First Law was the most overrated books I've read but since I've heard Dune praises since I was a child , I'd have to give my vote to Dune
so, does it end on a "to be continued.."?