Turing breaks Enigma - The Imitation Game (2014)
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2020
- Thanks to overhearing a clerk's (Tuppence Middleton) conversation in a bar, Alan (Benedict Cumberbatch) has a stroke of genius and realizes he can program Christopher to decode words he already knows exist in certain messages.
Film: The Imitation Game
Released: 2014
Director: Morten Tyldum
Distributor: The Weinstein Company - Фільми й анімація
Here is your reminder that Alan Turing is the godfather of all computers and literally saved the world by breaking the enigma code, and for his efforts, he was chemically castrated for being gay and later either committed suicide or was assassinated.
Proves how fucked up the world is.
He is influential, but his contribution is dramatically overstated overall. Still a very sad fate.
‘Overstated’ ? Enlighten me on what is your contribution?
Incredible lack of humanity. Those responsible were absolute bastards and abominations to treat this great man so.
@@darshdesai2754 Aaron is right though. Like he's not trying to say that Turing didn't do anything. But in Wolf's post he called him the godfather of computers...that's just not true. Not only did Turing not invent computers, he didn't even invent 'Computer Science', he invented Theoretical Computer Science, which is a branch of it. Also people credit him with coming up with the concept of AI, that is also false, he came up with a method that he theorized could test if a machine truly had an AI. The point is Turing had a big impact, but people credit him with way more than he actually did.
"And one day, When they've punished you enough, they'll serve you salmon and potato salad, make speeches, give you a medal, and pat you in the back telling all is forgiven. Just remember, it won't be for you... it would be for them."
Great quote. So sad what genius goes through.
oppenheimer?
@@MrCharrrles No, Turing. He was treated harshly for being gay.
@@SergeantExtreme The quote is from the recent oppenheimer movie
Yes. Exactly. Shit world we live in
The most hardcore element of that is they had to let certain attacks go ahead so the Germans wouldn't catch on that Enigma had been broken. War is hell.
Look at Pearl Harbor(ROSEVELT NEEDED TO PROVOKE AMERICA TO WAR), SEPTEMBER 11TH( TO PASS PATRIOT ACT ).
Wasn't really their decision they were code breakers full stop, not generals or commanders in the field just 1s and 0s. Office clerks at the end of the day sending pieces of paper along - THEN the Admiralty board would choose which amount of convoys would die that day and then spin the wheel again the next day. Alen Turning was gay i'll not refute that but outside that little known fact he was a code breaker any one of the many thousand and one smart people in the UK at the time would gladly trip over their shoe laces for the same chance. However, Turning liked to use computers more than most so we got that.
@@PuppetierMaster He was gae?
@@kk-qu1zc yes
Thats largely fiction.
The concept of this scene is: engineers must talk with people in the field more often
And drink beer
True, however Alan Turing was not an engineer but a mathematician
Something tells me, you - like me, work with engeers. who drive me nutz.
@@decibellone696 I am an engineer and trust me; the feeling is mutual.
We don’t want to 😋
Dear Alan you should have been knighted for your work. You saved England and you were treated appallingly. RIP to the father of computers and a true genius.
He was officially pardoned years later.
@@joedellinger9437Yeah, I considered that the final insult, myself. "Pardoned"? Are you kidding me? He should have been officially and posthumously APOLOGIZED to, with the Brits asking for forgiveness for treating him like they did. There's really nothing they could do now to make it right, but they could have at least showed some humility. That's the thing though, the Brits have a long and rich history, but humility is definitely not their strong point.
A lot of people in England still consider him to be a criminal for being gay. I had a few conversations with people about this, the UK isn't a bastion of progressive thought, in particular England, it's quite backwards in many ways.
Calling him the father of computers is wrong. Why do you call him that?
@@201hastings The original poster is correct in their statement, but he was more specifically the father of computer science, and he created the Automatic Computing Machine (ACE) that was one of the most successful and advanced early computers. His genius was not confined to wartime heroism by cracking the Enigma with his team, he also contributed greatly to theoretical computer science and early artificial intelligence.
Imagine how further along technically we’d be if he was able to continue his work.
He was.
@@Tunoi_Veil after his suicide?
@@qelapafu his after war projects were mediocre at best his peak being enigma.
@Nick West yes I get your point but we are only able to innovate in those fields because of computers and stuff like that. It's all based on that and it will only get better because of that. World Hunger would also be done but no one cares not even the company's working on it because that they would go out of business. The best thing we could do is just moving the people.
@@Tunoi_Veil Because everything they did was classified. Hard to continue a project that you are unable to discuss.
This man shortened the war and saved allied lives but his nation treated him as a criminal because he was gay.
a hero for saving millions of mens lives and a criminal for loving one. remember that the GOP wants the world that way again so get out and vote.
@@Stewpkiddable Post your message at the top, not as a reply to a comment. I'd do it for you but it's yours, not mine.
@@Stewpkiddable lmao imagine gaslighting like that to push political propaganda for a cynical, violent establishment you're a victim of
@@Stewpkiddable The GOP doesn't want that.
@@Stewpkiddable better tell peter thiel and the countless other gay republicans
In 2013, computer pioneer and codebreaker Alan Turing has been given a posthumous royal pardon. If we have only known better.
Still the wrong thing. A pardon implies that he committed a crime.
No a pardon means forgiven of an offence which it was at the time.
@@ajvanmarle By the law of the time, he did. By modern standards the law of the time was wrong, but that's quite frequently the case with old laws. While it's important to ensure that we've learned from those times and lay down laws differently now, it's also pointless judging the people of the time for it. To them homosexuality was disgusting and immoral, the law reflected that, Turing broke that law.
*if the Victorians had only not been sexual prigs you mean.
Even then Victoria herself struck down the law by refusing to sign until they removed women from it, so it wasn't even equal.
Turing's contribution to the war effort and computer science has nothing to do with the unfairness of his prosecution - he was just one of many treated thus, and no more deserving of a pardon than they were.
@@skyflyer4231
"Turing deserved to be knighted...........even posthumously"
That's not the way that works.
Plus knighted or not his notoriety far exceeds most people that have been knighted, so it hardly makes a difference.
Alan Turing was betrayed by the country he saved. But he gave us modern computing.
The geeks and nerds of the world are his true people and we will Honour him for his contributions even if his nation wouldn't.
Is just a movie.
@@easterworshipper730 yeah. A movie biography about a real actual dude.
@@ryanmcewen415 LOL. No
Is just amovie.
@@easterworshipper730 Alan Turing is a real person, and while the real events may not have played out *exactly* the same way as in the movie, the movie is still very much based on real events, including how his country betrayed him because he was gay: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing
@@easterworshipper730 search up Alan Turing and see for yourself
When Churchill said ‘Never in the field of human conflict was so much been owed by so many to so few' he may not have just been talking about the RAF.
"Never in the history of wars has so much been owed by so many to so few" - this is the most famous phrase uttered during World War II by the Prime Minister of Great Britain
Winston Churchill's British on August 20, 1940. In this way he honored the airmen
of the British RAF (Royal Air Force), who on the 13th day repulsed the massive attack of the German air force (Luftwaffe) on Great Britain. This attack went down in history as the Battle of Britain.
These words were said primarily to commemorate the participation of Polish and Czech airmen in this fight. The symbol of their brotherhood in arms is the 303 Squadron (look on Google "303 Repinski Transport Squadron). ;)
He was, if only because when he pronounced that sentence the Unit at Bletchley Park hadn't yet broken Enigma.
But retrospectively he could have applied to it.
He was talking about both because they needed each other. intelligence and Military might go hand in hand. without a military might the intelligence is worthless.
No he was talking about the RAF.
The toll on British lives would have been far worse from German bombing raids without them and the work on radar that helped us intercept them.
There's importance to Britain itself, and importance to the war effort - in this case he was talking about Britain.
Specifically he said "the geese that laid the golden egg and never gaggled".
That moment when Christopher comes to a halt. Everything stops. The music, the sound, the dialogue. It is a moment that lets it sink in the significance of what just happened. They broke the code.
And what's more poignant? It was undone by the enemy's arrogance - by ending every transmission with the same two words, the infamous two words that the egomaniac dictator demanded everyone say to prove their loyalty, ultimately betrayed them.
The part of the enemies arrogance was made up for the movie though, there's no record of them ever using the dictator's "catch phrase" as a cheat word. It's a neat piece of writing for the movie, but more likely it seems the most common phrase used in that way was "weather forecast".
@@Cimlite yep, I also remember in Robert Harris' "Enigma" novel (and the 2001 movie based on it) it was about the weather forecast
They never had a full break (unlike the Poles for the 3 wheel Enigma). They were able to break the more complex later Enigmas by initializing the Bombes (which BTW, is not a computer, it is a multiple Enigma emulator) with heuristics which were called Turingery. It worked on some days, but not on others. And, because Enigma carried tactical traffic, it became out of date very quickly.
Strategic traffic was carried by the Lorenz stream-cipher machines which was broken at the end of 1943 using the Colossus computer built by Tommy Flowers based on the work of Bill Tutte with minor input from Turing.
With just Turing's one little gasp. Then silence.
The inherent problem with encryption is that `TRUE` randomness is very difficult to achieve using either computers or people since both excel at both creating and seeing patterns (i.e. those black blotches look like a doggie, those clouds look like...). With that flaw and the directed requirement coming from the idea that code needs to be de-cryptable by the intended party (the sendee), you, as the code-breaker, are left with an always solvable problem where it is known that there is a readable message hidden in the gobbledygook. As shown here, the more likely you know the content of any message, the easier it becomes.
My older brother was brilliant at writing “code.” Only after I told him about this film did he tell me that Alan Turing was one of his most admired heroes. Rest In Peace, Brian G. and Alan Turing.
Yeah sure buddy
Yup, after telling you, his soul was finally free and he died.
@@stellviahohenheim what reason do you have for assuming this is fake?
@@parallax8322 well for one, Alan Turing ain’t even dead.
@@stevegoldstein3402 hes been dead for 68 years?
A following scene is heartbreaking when one of the codebreakers brothers is likely to die due to the attack on his convoy and they have to let it happen to protect their secret.
And too bad none of it happened in real life
@@ShaamanRyu Which part don't you think happened?
@@ShaamanRyuexcept it did 🤣
@@nicki6355 The ensuing dramatic scene, in which Alan reminds Peter and the rest of the team that they have to keep the Germans from learning that they’ve broken Enigma, is entirely invented; Hilton had no such brother, and in fact he began working at Bletchley Park long after Turing’s Bombe had been built.
@@ShaamanRyu Specifically this scene, no, however the premise that they had to pretend they couldn't read their messages and allow some attacks to occur did happen. One example is of a bombing raid on a town, whose name escapes me, resulting in hundreds of civilian deaths could have been prevented but could have cost them the war in the long run if it tipped off Germany to the fact that Enigma had been broken.
A powerful mind can destroy the world, but a kind heart can save it. Rip Alan.
This one right here needs to be THE highligted reply.
Make it happen admin.
6 minutes that summarise the whole movie and I can watch this on repeat to no end.
You do realize this is pure Hollywood. It does Not accurately reflect what really happened. For example the early scientist s who began to crack the Enigma machines were Polish.
@@raywhitehead730 I’m not sure that’s correct. I’ve heard that the Polish captured an Enigma machine and gave it to the British, but it was the Bletchley Park crew that cracked the code. Sadly, we’ll never know because history is being rewritten before our very eyes.
I doubt they ran around out of breath, but it makes a good movie scene. Also, the message he typed was entirely too short. Sucks to be a reasonable person watching a historical/scientific piece.
@@raywhitehead730 newsflash - movies NEVER do. It's not a historical documentry. It's a movie.
@@johnhamilton2213 yep. Poles also worked on their 'manual' algorithms to crack Enigma. Having a computer kinda made it simpler for the British :)
I think it is time that Alan Tuiring be Knighted posthumously. A remarkable man, a remarkable story.
You can't because there no such thing as a dead knight.
@@amanrobthis is quite the dumbest comment ever. There are tons of dead knights
@@chrisbodley8958 Before you call something dumb, you should do your research. You lose your knighthood at death. It’s a living honour only. Therefore, you have dead former knights, but not dead knights. This was the exact reason why they couldn’t strip Jimmy Savile. It was a moot point, because he had already lost it at death.
@@amanrob that is quite dumb
It’s crazy how this looks so basic in hindsight, but it’s actually a genius breakthrough. He literally invented a new way of thinking and applying logic.
And they killed him for wanting to be with another dude. Blows my mind.
They didn't kill him, they did something much worse, they sterilised him and treated him as if he was inhuman.
All sort of people gets roasted all the time every day. I am sure it was not for being gay at all, that was the excuse. It was jealousy, for sure people with power and other interest who saw him as a threat for their businesses.
@@vjreimedia oh you are sure it wasn't homofobia? and how did you reach that conclusion? very curious
@@rockpopjazz No one cares about gay people, that is a freak show LGTBQ retards came out lately out of narcissism, and victimization. Losers with no skills, no friends trying to call the attention and when they realize that saying "I am gay" people started to look at then, is when they felt for the first time they were someone, after that play victims and the drama followed. There have been tons of gay people everywhere, every actor, model, even Boy George! Right Said Fred. Freddy Mercury! You may say "the nazis killed gay people, yes, they killed jews, latinos, blacks, anybody. Saying that this man died because he was gay only just shows the diarrhea people have for a brain. A lot of the media just targets the ignorant and naive of society like yourself sadly. Controversy sells.
@GurrokHS because if we have learned anything in the last 8 years, it's that the pushed narrative is almost never what has actually happened
The fact that they have to run back and forth between buildings to do work is amazingly inefficient
totes, like why didn't they just use the internet
Unlike today's fat azz geeks, they burned some energy actually moving without the use of Virtual Reality Goggles.
@@bhakti235 web3 tots solves that
Necessity is the mother of invention.
It is an enigma...
This scene never gets old. BC deserved the Oscar for his performance.
its like the scene from a beautiful mind, kind of a copy, but its fitting so its definitely getting a pass
@@snyggmikael- that was an amazing film. Still Russell Crowe’s best in my opinion
What a phenomenal actor.
What makes this scene so brilliant isn't that come people cracked a code, it's the gravity of what breaking Enigma meant: the lives that will be saved, the intelligence, the ability to make strategic decisions, and ultimately the insight to winning the war.
Exactly! Especially since it was believed impossible to break Enigma
Strategic decisions were being made regardless of intelligence - they were just taking losses that they could not easily prevent, and missing opportunities to attack that were literally right under their noses at times.
Strategy is always applied in (sensible) warfare - Intelligence just allows it to be refined further.
Making protecting your assets and destroying the enemies assets more efficient - minimizing loss of life to your own troops and non combatant citizens.
COME people?? You IDIOT!!!!
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88. Everything is impossible, until it’s NOT.
The Poles had already cracked it before turing
Can you even imagine being there when they cracked the first message? And what I didn’t realize was that they built as many as 50 of these machines and they were called bombs. Christopher is a bit more palatable in terms of making the movie. And the cast is brilliant. I’m sometimes truly amazed at how casting directors can sometimes put together the perfect cast.
True, however in real life, Turing named his machine 'Victory'... not "Christopher."
The anglicized word was Bombe.
After the original 1938 Polish specialised code breaking machine called "bomba kryptologiczna" or cryptologic bomb.
Oh ye, that is a point too - Turing did not come up with a mechanical solution to Enigma on his own, it was an evolution of this earlier Polish concept but electrified, rather than the hand cranked original.
Had electrification not occurred only decades earlier the machine would likely not have been viable for mass decoding efforts.
Yes. It happened in Warsaw in the mid-thirties. Without those basic insights of Rejewski, Zygalski and Różycki into the way all Enigma machines worked and which led to the full break of the 3 wheel Enigma, Turing and company would have not achieved even the partial break (they never had a full break) into the later more complex Enigma machines.
In Poland? Yes, it was great - later on the knowledge was passed on to France and from France to UK.
@@kovesp1 I don't think that is the case, the Poles reverse engineered it, the Brits could have done that too. What the made the difference here was that Turing realised this could be done electronically, speeding up the decoding process considerably. He is important to CS bc he theorised the idea of a computer, a thinking machine that was reprogrammable. AI is an extension to that idea, in that it is essentially a software computer that programs itself using training data. You could argue from a military point of view Turing also showed very graphically the importance of intelligence, a fact we're seeing in realtime in the fight between Russia and Ukraine. The US warned Ukraine about the invasion long before it took place, and maybe that is one of the reasons it never succeeded initially.
Imagine your own country hating you after your brilliant mind saved them, and then then taking decades to admit they were wrong.
Don't forget all the spies within British Intelligence services operating against the UK....
in the interests of their own countries.
The smoke and mirrors continues to this day..
It neatly sums up how the establishment operates and the inbuilt flaws and failings of our societal structure.The Cambridge spies betrayed our country and were allowed to escape in some cases and hide in plain sight like Anthony Blunt for many years, without prosecution, because of who they were and their connections in society. Under the protection of a government, and the state secret service, who wanted to avoid embarrassing relevations about what these revolting creeps had been up to, rather than doing the morally and ethically right thing,these traitors got away.When you see how these individuals were treated, in comparison to Turing, then you wonder what priorities as a state the UK truly has at times.
Not the whole country.
It was a state secret.
Nobody knew what he had done.
Dude,
Where's my previous comment?
There were, to be fair, many brilliant minds that saved them and many more brave men that did, as well. Many of them paid with eyes, arms, legs and lives. Yes, it was terrible what happened to Turing but it was a different time. He had a high security clearance and homosexuality was often used to blackmail men into betraying their country.
Many people have no idea about the intelligence of Alan M. Turing. Even during his last breathe, he was working on computational biology. That means he could've proposed a machine that is capable of telling you if a mutation is possible in polynomial time or not. You wouldbve been able to predict the behaviour of organisms and produce medicones in such manners.
Turing machine was meant to do a lot. It was converted into the very first electrical computer. Just imagine what would it become if he could've shared all his mathematical proofs.
As a computer science graduate, I understand his immense contribution. He paved the way of Internet in which you're writing comments, watching this video. I'm talking about Finite Automata, you may have never heard this term.
In his name, every year Turing award is awarded which is called the Nobel of Computer Science. It's worth 10 million USD. I admire him and his intelligence. It gives me motivation to invent, to continue academic research, to carry humanity forward with real-life solutions. What a man he was!
What a great lost for mankind the day he died.
Thank you for sharing!
Amen! 🙏🏻
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The only thing about this movie that really isn't truthful is that the breaking of Enigma has been a real team effort, and not just one guy against all odds. This is not to be unfair in regards to Turing's genius, which was absolutely remarkable, but to be fair with all the others.
To know what people like Turing did for the world and what the world did to them in return. It haunts me sometimes.
he volunteered to have hormone therapy (chemical castration) instead of going to prison. what haunts you about that?
@@G-regTaylor bro got sent to prison for winning the war
@@veniulem5676 what on earth are you talking about
@@G-regTaylor the person who cracked the hardest and most important code at the time and basically won us the war had a choice to either go to jail or take hormones, idk whats more fucked up, that or the fact you dont understand.
@@veniulem5676 he was arrested in 1952. Long after the war was over, for homosexuality which was illegal at the time.
Turing's work enabled the Bombe systems to break more Enigma wheels than before this breakthrough. He also initiated UK/US relationships to a new level of understanding and cooperation in cryptosystems. This gave both sides massive breakthroughs in decoding all the Axis countries inlcuding the legendary Japanese Purple encrypts.
This level of cooperation enabled breaking the 4 wheel Enigma systems down from several hours to about 50 minutes. The large number of Navy Bombe's (121 to be exact) made it vastly easier for local cryptos to break wheels and decrypt messages for it was locally available, instead of traveling 20-50 miles to another location to access one.
And then the USA betrayed the UK over the 'tube alloys' project. Backstabbing traitors.
After Poles broke Enigma code they did propose building automated calculator BUT Germany invaded Poland and even if they did not there was not enough money.
What an incredible and remarkably unique mind this man had...the world cannot thank him enough for what he did for us nor apologize enough for what they did to him.
As an engineer this give me goosebumps every time.
Me too!
In 1932, Polish mathematician Marian Rejewski cracked the code of the first generation of the Enigma Machine.
edit: A Polish postal worker contacted his superiors after a German diplomat was unusually animated about an expected package late Friday near closing. Polish officials dismantled the package and photographed every piece over the weekend, then reassembled the Enigma Machine, which allowed Marian Rejewski the opportunity to decipher its code.
It's speculation whether Poland shared this information with the Allies and Alan Turing.
The Poles did superlative things in WW2, and - ended the Cold War via the Gdansk Shipyard.
Polish never get enough credit for their accomplishments.
Absolutely. Their work was invaluable.
Yeah and the British are such wonderful allies that they make BS movies filled with historical lies.
Turing was an extraordinary thinker, a problem solver, and we have tons to thank him for, but this scene brilliantly shows how teamwork was the true hero of Hut 8, Bletchley Park.
I personally would give all credit to Turing, because he was the one they later punished, for being something they weren't.
@@percemiettinen9207 Turing was punished for being homosexual, which at that time was illegal. He was a brilliant mind that deserved all the credit but taking credit away from others just because Turing was gay seems rather illogical. I don't think he would approve 😂
Allan I wish we could tell you how much we respect you nearly a hundred years later. You were a hero, you were amazing
Alan's work at Blechley Park was pure genius. The man is definitely one of the greatest original minds in the field of computing. However, we must not forget this is dramatized. A great many men and women participated in this. And we should recognize it wasn't just Turing holding them all up.
The portrayal that everyone would have been standing around, confused and amazed would never have happened.
The sheer magnitude of intellect of some people in this world is truly incredible. Blows me away
yeah as I age I'm truly impressed at the drive some people have. They studying from dusk to dawn every single day and many never see a breakthrough like this.
The sheer magnitude of stupidity of some people in this world is truly astounding, blows me away. I just don't know why stupid people impress me. Maybe it's because they made it that far in life.... It's like a train wreak, I can't just walk away. This is not directed at anyone in this thread, it was a great post, and it inspired me to say this.
@@No_Fuse8771 are talking about gay people? Cause they are not stupid, let me tell you buddy. Listen here buddy
@@turolretar Actually, that does not matter to me. Anyone who fits the bill. Ignorance is one thing. Stupidity is on another level. If you don't know what people are talking about, why open your mouth? BTW, that's not directed at you, just, other people here in the comments on this video. Not this thread. @turolretar I liked your post, great sarcasm. Leaving the period off was the chef kiss.
How does the "blows me away" manifest?
Great movie, and a brilliant actor.
Lewacka propaganda.
why did this put such a genuine smile in my face?
Because you're easily mislead
@@eyesforthewise hahahahahaha
Because someone ended a whole war with wit
Because this saved your way of life
@@eyesforthewise Tell me more
Such a hard film to tolerate because of the ending. Such a wonderful film to enjoy because of everything else.
And we haven’t learned the lesson shown at the end to this day
5:47 is one of the great moments of the film...it shows that both Hugh and Alan are not that close but this tym...Hugh realises how brilliant Alan was and his mutual respect towards him increased exponentially...great acting by both without saying any words.
My secret dream would be to one day experience what those guys that night felt after they deciphered Enigma. Knowing that you are living a moment in your life that will be regarded as one of the most crucial pivot point in human history, something that people would be talking about hundreds of years later. The feeling of having accomplished something hard, so hard that no one else on the planet could reach before that moment. I know that Turing and his team were not the first not the only, but that was what they experienced that night. It gives me chills to simply think about it.
It’s not for everyone
You can THINK?
elation, in that moment of discovery, everything changes - the world was saved by an idea - it is so mind blowing and you put it very well - it gives me chills too
One can say he was really a ... magician
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I will show myself out the door. Thank you.
He's a Hero and they destroyed his life cause he likes Men.
they destroyed his life because the goal was accomplished, once Europe was destroyed they had no reason to keep him around.
is that true? I never heard anything about that
@@ChairmanMeow1 Yes.
"Turing was prosecuted in 1952 for homosexual acts. He accepted hormone treatment with DES, a procedure commonly referred to as chemical castration, as an alternative to prison. Turing died on 7 June 1954, 16 days before his 42nd birthday, from cyanide poisoning. An inquest determined his death as a suicide, but it has been noted that the known evidence is also consistent with accidental poisoning. "
It was illegal to act on those impulses at the time....criminal, right or wrong, is criminal.
@@dennisking4589 Ah yes, just following orders my dear old chap.
He was a real hero and very smart
Too bad he was a pillow biter...that cost him dearly unfortunately
Don;t say this in poland or to a polish.
Yea, and unlike in the movie, the real Alan Turing was very easy to get along with and told jokes. He wasn’t some weird 40’s British version of Sheldon Cooper
@@sulmedici he also invented turing machine stfy
@@sulmedici A "polish" is a sausage.
What a great film and what a brilliant man Turning was , along with the rest of his team. This was a stunning scene
To walk such a delicate balance of having full knowledge of the messages and yet restraining from any perceptual intervention so as to not give away the advantage.
While Turing was important in the decryption of Enigma, Tunny and the other cyphers, and was fundamental to computing, it should be pointed out that the Poles had already cracked Enigma and the Brits were using a development of Polish equipment to help do it. To give the correct people the credit, the team that actually cracked Enigma was Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski. They first cracked Enigma back in 1934. This was with the help of documents given to the French by a German agent codenamed Asche, who is still unidentified. It should also be noted that a Swedish mathematician was decoding Tunny traffic (using a ten rotor Enigma machine) by hand around this time. This was very important as Tunny traffic was diplomatic traffic and had a much longer useful life.
At Bletchley there is a memorial to the Polish mathematicians who worked out the German modifications. Enigma was a commercial machine and looking at an british German or Us patent would describe how it worked, but the Germans added the plug board which was the problem, which the brilliant Plones solved. And lets not forget GPO engineer Tommy Flowers
@@tonylong4209 - Indeed, Tommy couldn't get credit for making the first digital electronic computer until 30 years after the War.
Well all I can say is if they were so good back in 1934, why did they fall so easy in a mater of weeks ???
@@stewartyoung3061 - They were good at maths, but their army and air force were not so good.
I finally watched this movie a week ago. Bloody brilliant and tragic. This movie made me feel ashamed. I didn't even do anything and am not a homophobe, but damn did this movie hurt
Yeah. Alan saved the world and we failed him.
Facts. I usually don’t watch dramas like these but I watched with my mom (she loves them) and we were sobbing at the end and in the scene after with the guys brother on the ship.
Average propagada consumer.
@@easterworshipper730 is this an insult?
@@shake307 not if you are ok consuming propaganda.
"Never in the history of wars has so much been owed by so many to so few" - this is the most famous phrase uttered during World War II by the Prime Minister of Great Britain
Winston Churchill's British on August 20, 1940. In this way he honored the airmen
of the British RAF (Royal Air Force), who on the 13th day repulsed the massive attack of the German air force (Luftwaffe) on Great Britain. This attack went down in history as the Battle of Britain.
These words were said primarily to commemorate the participation of Polish and Czech airmen in this fight. The symbol of their brotherhood in arms is the 303 Squadron (look on Google "303 Repinski Transport Squadron).
As for the Enigma... The first Polish copy of the military version of "Enigma" was built in the "Ava" factory in Warsaw in 1933. The process of putting the elements together took place in Pyry near Warsaw. Since then, Poles could read German military correspondence. For almost seven years, Polish intelligence transmitted to the French and British German military telegrams, obtained thanks to the work of the Polish Cipher Bureau. However, the method of obtaining the information has not been disclosed.
Only in 1939, as a result of deteriorating Polish-German relations, the management of the Cipher Bureau decided to reveal to the allies the secret of the work of Polish intelligence services. For this purpose, in the spring of 1939, a meeting of Polish, English and French cryptological services was organized in Pyry. In addition to a copy of the Polish "Enigma", they received mathematical assumptions regarding the methods of operating the machine.
In 1940, the British created their own center where German messages were read using the "Enigma". This greatly facilitated the actions of the local land forces, while until 1942 the British had a huge problem with the naval army. It was only thanks to the capture of the German submarine U-110 and four meteorological ships with "Enigma" encryption machines and code books on board that the British managed to break the navy's most difficult code. Thanks to the acquired ability to read German military reports, the British began to regain control of the sea.
It was Poles who created the basis for decryption, but the English for many years tried to appropriate this achievement for themselves. According to Witold Głębowicz, this is partly due to the publications that appeared after World War II. Many of their authors knew that the British had a system for reading the "Enigma" ciphers, but they did not know the origin of this system and how it was broken.
The first information indicating that Poles contributed to the deciphering of the "Enigma" appeared in the early 1970s. However, the official confirmation by the British of the role of the Poles in breaking the "Enigma" code took place only after Poland's accession to NATO in 1999.
With such friends as British who needs enemies?
I could watch this clip twenty times and never get tired of seeing it.
These are the men that lead us to a world with internet,such glorious people
In my top five movies of all time. Benedict is a great actor. Thanks Alan Turin for your contribution to end WWll. I wish Alan Turin had lived a long life.
I still get chills watching this scene
hanks for the great quality upload. This was a great part in the film.
Alan Turig and his colleagues saved so many lives in WW2
Britain 🇬🇧at its Best👍
This scene is accurate. They were told to use 5 random letters at the start of each message, but humans being humans they would use letters they were comfortable with like GF/BF names o HIT LE or HEILH over and over again.
The most common start word was actually W E T T E R B E R I C H T (weather report)
The same way we use the same password over and over...?
@@Tasarran Exactly the same.
You can always count on some overworked, underpaid, no longer giving a damn flunkie somewhere ruining even the most foolproof system out of spite or laziness. I remember someone once asking me if I was concerned about the NSA and Google listening to everything and I said no, because there arent enough engaged eyes and hands to do anything with it
And so using logic, Turing used a “if this equals this and that equals that, we can use the information from these statements to crack the bigger code”, right? Or am I missing smth?
I've watched this clip hundreds of times.
A personal favorite film, saw it twice in the theater and twice on my digital copy.
I love this movie. And I love Alan Turings story. Brilliant man.
Actually someone else solved it and Alan failed to make the machine. It was only after we basically stole the books for him that he could and at that point anyone could. It was a big project and it would be better to tell Germans that we have someone who can so we lied. ThTs why the mission stealing it wasn’t honored until 2017. You fell for propaganda
The mind required to design a machine like that. It’s phenomenal.
Has to be one of my fave movies. A story that needed to be told
Goosebumps. Every. Single. Time.
For those singing Alan's praises, he didn't do it alone, never mentioned in this film is Tommy Flowers, an engineer at Bletchley (originally from the GPO) who had to actually build colossus, it was only possible because he had been working on automated operator machines before the war and so could turn theoretical ideas into valves and rotor arms, after the war he had such great ideas which would have worked, but because of the OSA could never explain his ideas would work because he could never explain about colossus.
he diddn't do it at all. Enigma was broken by polish mathematicians. Turing and squad only solved later versions of it, but they had most important work already done
Enigma and the Poles had nothing to do with Colossus which dealt with a far more complicated machine and code. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
@@ayltonjamieson9026 Poland had given enigma machine to british few days before start of war. Without that, british would have nothing to work on.
@@adambarys1685 The polish work would have been worthless if not for the British, the British work would have been worthless if not for the polish. But theres always some idiot in the comments trying to turn it into a competition baselessly claiming who did the "most important work"
@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 that's True. Both parties were necessary. But writing like single person broke enigma is laughable
Turing was able to use reaction-diffusion equations to duplicate the 'double-slit' experiment.
Interference patterns, evidence of 'wave nature', is a natural consequence of organized systems diffusing through each other over distance and time.
Ya, that's what I was gonna say.
What are you, the Offensive Coordinator at MIT football?
I will never get tired of enjoying this part.
Man, I've never seen anything from the movie, and this sequence had me RIVETED and teary-eyed at the end.
i loved this scene and was actually looking for it and lo and behold the youtube algorithm reads my mind for the five millionth time
It was the Polish that cracked the enigma code machine, the English created the Colossus at Bleichly park that accelerated the process...
Exactly.
"In December 1932 it was "broken" by mathematician Marian Rejewski at the Polish General Staff's Cipher Bureau, using mathematical permutation group theory combined with French-supplied intelligence material obtained from a German spy."
Turing "computerisation" allowed to decrypt messages "on time", so Enigma was defeated which most likely saved millions of people.
The Polish broke the 3-rotor code. The Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarine used 4 rotors. Then the Germans replaced 4-rotor Enigma for Lorenz, that was what Colossus was for, and that was broken by Bill Tutte. It was Turing who showed them a) how to break codes, b) how to use machines, and c) how to use computers. This is why Turing is a fully paid-up genius.
So you're saying this is a propaganda film that rewrites history? @@MichaelThomas-be7gq
@@MichaelThomas-be7gq The 4 rotor system, was used later on. Initially Germans used 3.
Full credit to the Poles for breaking enigma and shame on British for trying to steal this Polish accomplishment.
Simply brilliant, creating such an analog computer. I have no idea how that thing works.
Alan Turing was a genius but the way he was treated was shocking
I wonder what Dr. Turing would say if he were to visit a chip fab today? The advances we've made since those days must look like pure magic. They made wires and drums think, but we now have magic thinking rocks.
Yep. The early wire recorders used bicycle wheels, for example. Not that this was inappropriate - indeed it was very inventive, in a garden shed kind of way - but it illustrates the terrible urgency of the task.
He'd probably spot multiple inefficiencies, hahahaha
he would be lake jon. winters in a game of pool
lit trans i ve done my thing go and do better
Not just the chip fab, imagine seeing all the programs we do with those chips. Spelling/grammar checking, online translation, cloud computing, downloadable programs, automatic data backups, and the ChatGPT expert system are all examples of building on his idea of hardware and software being two separate parts.
In Japan!
Alan Turing literally saved the world from tyranny and oppression by breaking this code!
And then the world committed tyranny and oppression against him anyways.
I'm not sure there is anything more heroic than a man who would give his life for even those who hate him.
ALAN TURING = HERO
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@@happybear3706 turing also invented turing machine and turing patterns
You saw the videos that I posted right? This movie is complete bull for anyone who actually cares about history.
Why every one forgot about polish matyematics who broke it first
Except he didin't break the code, Marian Rejewski, a Polish mathematician did.
1 decade ago. Good times. Good times.
I've watched this segment probably 100 times. Gives me chills every time, knowing that this moment literally changed history and saved millions of lives. The music fits perfectly too. Brilliant film!
I agree 👍
I've watched it multiple times also. Trying to catch his thoughts process.
Unfortunate that, yet again, Holllywood doesn't mention "others" who helped. Like the Poles who determined the solution was mathematical, not linguistic. Turing was a key figure, but so were Jerzy Rozycki, Henryk Zygalski, and Marian Rejewski. Amongst others.
Terribly exciting bit of cinema, old chap
Jolly good show indeed, old sport
Benedict Cumberbatch played Alan Turing perfectly in this movie and this scene is just so enjoyable and was done so well by all the cast.
makes me cry every time
3:51- a deafening silence.
And after saving millions of lives he was later chemically castraded and committed suicide a few years later. Well that did end well... May he rest in peace.
Brilliant film, if you can get over to Bletchley Park, get there early and take a picnic, beautiful grounds to sit in, and so much to see read, and do.
One of the greatest to have ever lived.
Here is your reminder that Turing's work was based on the early work by Polish codebreakers who succeeded in breaking the early Enigma codes and passed all their work onto Britain once the Germans and Russians invaded including teaching Turing how to build machines that simulated the Enigma machines.
Here's your reminder that you should reconsider that username.
That's right. No disrespect to Mr. Turing, he was a genius. But without the polish groundwork, he would have never achieved the codebreaking. He was actually surprised,how far his polish colleagues had already advanced in decryption, when they handed their material over to the British. And how did his country thank him? With chemical castration. The Brits are funny but idiots.
@@SuperRobertoClemente ikr? dingus mispelled amplifier.
Here is your reminder that the Enigma code of the later war years was an order of magnitude more difficult to break than the Enigma code of 1939.
The achievement of Alan Turing's work was the --> speed ---> at which the Enigma codes could be broken. Yes, other code breaker teams (including the Polish) had had success after considerable effort and time. But knowing enemy communications weeks or even months afterwards was of little use. The issue, as shown in the film was the enigma code changed daily and all the work over the past 23 hours, 59 minutes was now useless and had to be started all over again. Turing's 'Christopher' aka 'The Bombe' could break down Enigma's encryption in minutes and provide access to German communications in almost real time.
that's quite a feat, making maths and logic so damn dramatic
Numbers are far more important than sheep know
The truth is actually more dramatic and important as the breaking of enigma shorten the war by 2 years
Alan Turing was a genius. But this clip speaks also to another issue. Why didn't those trying to break the code talk to those who transcribed the intercepted messages? Imagine if the woman who told Turing about the repeated letters actually was asked for her input early on. She even says that her teammates all have a feel for their counterparts' patterns.
It's something about compartmentalization, there's a reason for information not known everywhere in the military but as a need to know. but this case comes up in a bar gossip between fellow Bletchley Park-ies.
also captain america winter soldier where SHIELD have has their "Level" classification rating on objects and information and reports.
@@PrograError One of the more accurate parts of the film, someone slipping something they shouldn't say while drinking at a "base" bar heh.
All true and most likely the case, but like many technological breakthroughs in history it could also be a matter of the solution being so simple no one would have considered it because it's so simple.
Clever little movie. Loved this scene. Sad what happened to Turing.
We owe him so much.
I just watched this movie for the first time just a couple days ago and i loved it! And just to be clear. I knew nothing about Alan Turing until i watched this film.
No apology necessary.
I’ve seen this movie 100 times, and I don’t know why, but every time it gets to “PETER BLOODY HILTON!” I always crack up laughing
One of my favourite movies
A truly great moment.
I heard that, after WW2, the Allies told some of the German command that was still alive that we had broken Enigma. They didn't believe us until all this work was de-classified.
Maybe b/c Poles actually broke it?
What I don't like about this great scene is that this didn't happen at all. Looking for commonly used words or phrases is an extremely basic tactic when trying to break a coding system and Alan Turing and everyone working on Enigma already knew this from the very start. Looking for "hail Hitler" in the messages is the very first thing they did.
Heil Hitler not hail, H.e.i.l.
But it wasn't until they searched for Heil Hitler that they got a match.
@@stargazer7644 Yes, but the entire scene makes you think that looking for "Hail Hitler" was the great idea that solved the problem. But it wasn't. Again, this is a common tactic known by cryptographers since the times of the Roman Empire. Alan Turing and anyone working with him would know this already before they were even hired to crack Enigma. The movie does a great job of using a fictitious breakthrough that the public can understand. The actual brilliant ideas that Turing had to solve this problem are the ideas behind the design of the machine which would be too complex to try to depict in the movie.
@@nicolasreyes2190 It's kind of funny, you're annoyed by screenwriters dumbing down a complex topic to explain it in a 2 hour movie that the average person might enjoy. I'm annoyed by you doing exactly the same thing by assuming you need to dumb down an explanation to me about how cryptography works and telling me what nearly every movie based on a real subject has commonly done.
@@stargazer7644 Haha good point! In my defense though, your first response really looked like you didn't get my original comment. But you're right and I know I'm wrong for being annoyed by such detail in the plot. The screenwriters know what they are doing and they found a great resource to add a breakthrough moment that fits the story and adds a dramatic "victory" moment. But it's one of those things, its just slightly annoying when movies inaccurately depict stuff that you're passionate about. But it's sometimes necessary or justified. I also enjoyed the movie overall. Cheers!
There may never be another genius like Alan Turing.
Such a brilliant man that played a key part in ending the war.
I'm sure he was rewarded accordingly.
Would liked a scene where the Team would have reveal their discovery to the crusty Generals
A shame how his country betrayed him after the war!!!
A masterpiece of filmmaking
The best part about the U.S. encryption during WW2 is that they relied on Native Americans, who the axis could never get even close to decyphering since there was nothing to learn from.
Only in a few battles, and by radio.
Navaho Code Talkers. Much respect.
@@nedames3328 What Indian tribes were code talkers?
Other branches of the military recruited Native Americans from the Assiniboine, Cherokee, Cheyenne, Chippewa, Choctaw, Comanche, Cree, Crow, Hopi, Kiowa, Menominee, Meskwaki, Mississauga, Muscogee, Osage, Pawnee, Sac and Fox, Seminole and Sioux tribes to create similar military codes based on their own languages.
So many tribal languages were used yet not many have been recognized for their contributions.
@@nedames3328 My high school Latin teacher was one of the people who worked with the Navajo on developing the code. This didn't come out until years later when all this was declassified, but hats off to Mrs Breegle!
@@Gromit801only a few, like 6 months at Guadalcanal. Only a few, though.
So many people fought on all sorts of battlefields.
From Heavy water to Enigma.
Hard times create strong people.
And many more dead ones.
What an absolute genius. Alan and the rest of them saved millions and millions of lives. Soldiers, civilians all saved by his genius.
What a powerful scene!
This is how I feel when I successfully balance my checkbook.
lol who still does that
This is it. The eureka moment