there were a lot of ways to solve that problem but I think you picked the best solution. no trenches, no aerial runs, etc.. really cool. nice job. you even went the extra mile and installed a wireless router in the barn. I think i would have been cheap and just put a switch in for the cameras. with style my man, with style.
I built long-range antennas, and 3d printed a parabolic reflector with 2 5.8ghz biquad elements. I used to buy old wifi routers and upload custom firmware to make wifi repeaters. Also made some mini itx custom routers with dual wifi cards. It was a fun learning experience and one day i might get back to improving my design.
Depending on the router in the barn you may be able to change it to function as an access point, or put it in bridge mode. Essentially now you have 2 different networks which might not be a problem, but translating and routing between the 2 can introduce lag and potentially an inablity to access those cameras from outside your home internet. Nice vid
Good job! You say in the video it has been working flawless for a few years without even a restart. In the event you do start seeing odd behavior, pull your cat 5 connections (especially in the damp basement) and clean them. I have chased a number of suspected hardware failures/flakiness and it was always cable connections in cool/damp locations.
Nice. I use this at home to extend to a detached property across a road and at a business to extend to an on site residence. One site shoots across apple trees with no problem. Web cams and home assistant features all working great for years now. Could have ran a cable at business but success at home made the radios a simple choice. Did try powerline adapters, several generations, with no reliable success. But YMMV
Man thank you so much for this video. I been having problems with my internet reaching my garages. For my camera set up. It okay but some cameras get weak signals. And i been looking and found you videos explaining how should be done. Thank you. Short and straight to the point! 😂🤜🏼🤛🏼💪🏼🤙🏼
I just used a google nest mesh router from my house to the brother-in-o=laws house two doors down. Even with a large metal building between us it worked just fine
@@morstoneacres I did not think it would work myself but I figured it would not hurt to try. They really did not need internet other that for the Dish Network they just put in so I figured why not give it a try. Like I said the house in between had a large metal pole barn between us the signal would have to get thru. Maybe it was the google routers that made it work but it did
That is an amazing set up for not much $$$ or effort. Seems like something that actually works instead snake oil stuff that you end up fighting with endlessly. Nice.
Faced with the same dilemma, I bought a RadioLabs 1-watt configurable access point and a 14-element yagi directional antenna mounted under the eaves of the main building. It beams Wifi to the barn and camper which are 400 feet away. The signal is so strong, you can watch HD video on a laptop inside the aluminum camper without any delays. I had to disable the DNS and let the main router handle it, other than that, it's been up 4 years without a glitch. The advantage is there is absolutely NO hardware on the barn end, where it would just become encased in spider webs. On the barn end, no wiring and no power, ultra high data rate and nothing else to buy. For safety reasons, I don't like anything electrical running in the barn that isn't essential, and what there is, is in a strong metal cabinet with its own protective circuit breaker. I really like your cameras, and need one for the front gate. But how to power it? Solar panel? Looking for a solution.
that seems really elegant! I have seen where people are using antennas at the barn, but if I understand correctly, you're using the antenna at the main building/wifi source? Like you, my wife doesn't like to have a lot of electrical at the barn so your solution might just be ideal.
@@DeltaCharlie27 Thanks for the reply. The access point is on a shelf in the workshop, a 5-foot low-loss coax goes through a small hole in the wall near the ceiling, and a pipe mount for the Yagi antenna is fastened under the overhang of the roof outdoors. You point the Yagi toward the barn, giving a high-strength signal there. Originally, the barn had no electricity so that's all I could do. It's had 100% uptime for several years and it's still working today. But if you have a metal barn, you'll be better off with a system like the one described in the video. My camper is all-metal, but it has large windows and those let the signal in very nicely. For all the viewers, you'll find the App called "Wifi Analyzer" to be highly valuable to display your signal strength as you walk around your farm. Happy installing!
This is exactly what I suddgested above in my 2nd comment. Just replace one of the routers small antennas with a patch antenna, a yagi or dish and your done. Well done on the diy solution :)
Good info in the video but would really like to see a drawn out wiring diagram and how to hook to router and also TV. Understand all the barn side of it. Thanks.
I did the same thing to get a signal to my rental cabin and it's only about 250' away. The speed is almost exactly the same as my house and it extended my wifi network to the cabin and beyond.
Well done. I've been thinking about doing this too. I'm curious whether the WiFi signal reaches through the barn's metal skin to the outside. I thought I would also need another access point outside the barn. Thanks for the video!
All you guys need is directional patch antenna and replace one of the tiny ones fro. Inside your router if your good at a bit of diy. This set up works but it's really not what it's for, it's sup to be for seriously long range and not a few meter away from the house.
For these cameras they come with an app and a website you can use to view them. That mainly why I don’t recommend them though. As far as I can tell (and as a professional computer programmer, I’ve tried), it is extremely difficult or impossible to use these specific cameras without the website and app they come with. I would love to get some new camera that keep the video feed off the internet entirely. Someday I will and I’ll make a video about that for sure.
@@morstoneacres Good luck with that, there's a PUSH to put ALL of our DEVICES on the internet. My question is WHY? Is it to collect our data (video data included) over the internet or is it to be able to control to TURN OFF/ON our devices and or MONITOR our DEVICES using the internet? As you stated most DEVICES will not work with out being connected to the the INTERNET once again I will ASK WHY?
Another thing you can do is use something called a powerline adapter. They send internet over the wired circuits in your home. You plug ethernet into both ends of the device. One being the router, and the other whatever you want. They are extremely fast now. I used to have 10mbps ones when I was a a kid which was crucial for getting internet to all my original xbox 360 consoles (I had four because my Dad and I repaired red-ring-of-death consoles!)
Those power line modems have come a long way! For best results, use only one pair per real estate property, and be sure that both units are on the same phase of the utility feed, to get the highest data rate. Be advised, if you have solar power with randomized frequency dithering (non-constant conversion frequency), electrical noise from the solar inverter will trash (cover up) the signals from the power line modems and your results may be poor. Inverter companies do this to help pass EMI regulations, but it clobbers the poor little power line modems because the inverter noise gets spread all over the spectrum used by the modems. Constant inverter frequency, no problem because the modems automatically disable the affected carrier frequencies.
Power line adapters are shockingly poor at transferring data and as such are capped around 25mbs if your super lucky to get close (which you won't) It would not work in the set up as the barn is likely connected directly to a breaker/fuel box and junctions destroy the data transfer due to resistance. You need a direct wall plug to wall plug on the same continuous powering for this to work. Just run ethernet cable and your done
Why not use a PoE router, and eliminate the PoE injectors? Thanks for doing the video! Tip: support your patch cord where the enter an RJ-45 port. That gray one, will fail over time, with too much strain pulling down.
Since you have power in your barn, did you compare the wireless bridge to a ethernet over powerline set-up? My guess is the powerline network would be much slower but I have not looked closely at either.
So the question I have is if it works through vegetation. I had one years ago, but it was fairly low powered and pretty easily blocked by small trees. What is it's transmit and receive frequencies? Standard wireless frequencies don't punch through vegetation very well. There is some commercial stuff out there that use lower frequencies. They have long ranges, punch through vegetation. But that stuff is pretty pricey. on the plus side, your neighbors won't pick it up. It seems hard to believe that you can get almost 2 miles on standard wireless, but maybe it is very directional and focused. It's possible that this stuff has got better than it was a few years ago, I don't know, Any thoughts?
I personally didn’t test it in those types of conditions but it does say that it requires line of sight and recommends that you put it up high. Mine is through a window and I know that it affecting the performance but it works for my needs.
@@morstoneacres Yeah, thanks. I only need a bit more than 100 yards but the least obstructed path has some small trees along the driveway. Most of these lower priced ones operate at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz. But 1.8 miles sounds amazingly far for those WiFi frequencies. I looked at this one you put in and some reviews made me question its capabilities for my use, but I may have found a better choice but at twice the price without the extra hardware needed. IDK, but some of this stuff has theoretical ranges only achievable in lab conditions. It's hard to be sure if their claims are realistic. This one says that speed is not effected by trees, but I'd bet signal strength is. You seem to have a fairly simple situation. I guess I will keep reading system reviews looking for someone with as close to possible situation. A lot of this stuff is returnable from Amazon, but you still have to set it up to find out if t will work satisfactorily. Thanks for getting back to me!
Great vid.. I do have a question though. I have the same brand units. I want to expand my internet over to my father in laws barn from my shed. My shed is hardwired from my house, and plugged into my router. All I have in my shed is a 8 port hub for now. I have the "remote" end already mounted across to my in-laws barn. Both my units have 2 cat Cat5 connections in them, but are labeled differently than yours. One port is labeled LAN/POE and the other LAN. Should I run 1 cable from the unit outside my shed, and use the POE/LAN connection and plug the other end into the POE Port on the power block. Then just run 1 small cable run from the LAN on the power block to my hub. This labeling POE/LAN on the units have me kind of confused. I know what they mean, but is that telling me that POWER and Internet traffic will all be run through that one cable?
What types of speeds do you usually get in the Barn after this upgrade? I was planning on getting my Grandmother home some Internet to her home ( around 200 feet away from my home) but eadh company in our area say She out of their coverage rang and would cost 3K for them to run a line from the road up her drive way.
It’s not super fast but still very usable. I get 10mbps from the barn to a server in my house. I’m pretty sure that I could get way better if I fixed a few things 1. The transmitter is in my house beaming through a window. If I moved it up higher in the air and outside it would be better. 2. Im positive the POE injectors and several old network switches and cables are hurting performance. Some day I’ll redo my whole home network and put in the good stuff but honestly this has worked for what I need and I have had 0 complaints on its performance. Even when using it for the wireless cameras to keep an eye on the horses
How's the performance during bad weather conditions? In your case the barn is right there so it will likely work even in the worst of conditions. I wonder how it performs ways away, during bad weather?
There are several wired ports around my house and the switch in the basement distributes to all of those. The cable modem and router used to be in the basement right next to the switch, but I found that the humidity and dust in the basement would ruin electronics so I moved the modem and router upstairs
Excellent video. So basically one doesn't really need the splitter. The Ethernet cable can run right out of the Router and into the POE Adapter, correct?
Awesome soinstead of using 2.4, 5.8, 24ghz you used the open 60ghz band of frequency and now technically could transmit o er 10Gb per second lol Where did you buy it, can I ask how much it cost? Thanks in advance
@@armstrongskyview2810 the specific equipment I'm talking about is in the 1 to 2 gigabit range. The backup 5ghz link is up around 450mbps, so even if the 60ghz were to drop the backup would be plenty fast. More important, to me, is that having the 5ghz backup link makes aiming really easy. The other thing is because 60ghz is highly directional it isn't prone to the same kind of interference that 5.8 has. I have 2 3 and 3.5 mile 60ghz only links that are faster and more reliable than my 900 feet 5.8ghz only link.
It just makes it so you don’t need to run the power cord to the bridge. For example, the one I have on the side of the barn only has the Ethernet cable running to it. Saves running both cables.
I can't even get decent bandwidth from one end of my house to the other with a repeater in the middle. So 50 feet seems to be the absolute limit of the equipment I've been able to find.
Many repeaters don’t really work as described. I’d recommend you look at a mesh network for inside your house. It truly extends the reach of your WiFi by allowing several wireless endpoints to communicate and hand off the devices
As the distance is so short, you should have gone with cat 6 eth cable which would have max speed and been cheaper, just run the cable from the modem to outside, then dig a shallow trench and lay the cable across to the router. Also if you access the barn router you can set it up as an access point on the same network so when you roam from house to barn you do t need to add the barn as a different router. This way if your on an iPhone call such as zoom or WhatsApp, you would not lose the call as the second router would auto reconnect smoothly where as your set up is that of 2 separate router using super slow WiFi 2.4ghz and you might only be getting g 10+most rather than 1gbs over the cable to a 5.8ghz router. Good for a temp solution but you'd be way better off doing what I suddgested and then using the WiFi patch antennas for a 1 mile+ WiFi access to save on data while your still within site of your home. Good luck and well done on getting the job done regardless:)
Digging a trench is absurd. Even with a ditch digger, you're talking about hours of work when a 5.8ghz or 60ghz bridge would do the job in 30 minutes or less. Yes, adding an AP on the same bridged network is potentially a very good idea, depending on coverage / antenna pointing. In some cases, it might take having an outdoor AP and an indoor one (metal building)
I tried running a cable. it lasted for approximately 6 months before it just stopped working. I wasn't about to tear it out or try to troubleshoot it. That's when I switched to this solution. I'm sure there are many ways to do this. this is the one I went with and I haven't had any issues.
Just wondering on how you made the decision to go UeeVii? You didn't really need to have the antennas of the Netgear to stick out the bottom as your enclosure is wood. If you didn't have the electrical in place someone doing the same thing might think about getting a POE switch and powering the cameras that way. Very well done. Do you have some sort of video recorder to store footage?
I knew the features I wanted and I felt like because it wasn’t a super long distance I didn’t need to buy a really high end product. So I went on Amazon and looked for a wireless bridge with good reviews and was PoE so I didn’t have to run separate power. As for the cameras, I already had them and they were chosen because they were easy and cheap. At some point I will replace them with a camera system that allows local access. These require the use of the app associated with them (I tried to hack them but it’s proven impossible).
Some people may also be able to use something as simple as a power line adapter. Depending on how power is run to the outbuilding/barn and how far it is.
Yeah that’s true. I actually used one of those for a little while but it was too unreliable and slow given the distance and probably the not so great wiring running to the barn from the house.
@@morstoneacres yeah they are real picky with the wiring. I knew someone tht had one working great about 700 feet from the house in his workshop but also knew someone that had no luck getting a decent connection on a shed 50 feet from the house. I have had great luck with them from one side of the house to the other but its all about the wiring.
I did this like 10 years ago or so . Customers house was half a mile from his business. And his mom lives across the street from him …. Business internet fed both residences and owner could access files off business network. Super old school links’s bridges (3 of them) and these large antennas… Let me know if you can chat ,,. I
Nothing like creating a Double NAT by using equipment incorrectly. Replaced the second router with an AP or at least run into one of the LAN ports and set it up to act as an AP.
Can you share what internet speed you have from your ISP in your house when you use bridge and what speed you get in your barn to your wifi router. Just curious.
Hey sorry it took so long to reply. I kept forgetting to run a speed test in the barn. In my house I have 200mbps cable internet. In the barn I got 20mbps.
@@morstoneacres Great DIY Job. You could probably increase the speed by fixing a few items: 1) The bridge links need to be much higher, to clear the Fresnel Zone 2) The router antennas should be pointed up. Antennas are polarized and should face up. 3) Bonus: remove the router, install a cheap switch and dedicated access point. Best of luck!
Or just get a network switch with POE and replace the one switch in the basement, and than you wouldn't need the one the bridge comes with. And it will also have better speeds if you get the right one.
@morstoneacres 100%, I'm just saying that the included injector is not as powerful as it can be. Therefore, the speeds that you're getting are not as fast as they can be, and with the bridge, you're already getting decreased speeds
@@morstoneacres never even heard of a cat cable going bad when this house was built whoever built it installed Cat5e in 2005 we just upgraded the entire house to cat7a and everything is been working perfectly
With line of site like that you can make it hundreds of yards with even the cheapest $30 mesh wifi boxes... none of this directional beaming is needed.
Everyone be aware that the speeds for any power over ethernet device is limited to 100Mbps (theoretical max). The power uses some of the communication wires limiting the speeds Running a bunch of camera feeds over that will tax that speed. Also if your cameras are for security, never get wireless ones. This system works and is fine for the application, but if yours differs a bit, it may not work out.
You can get gigabit, 2.5 and 5gbe POE devices & switches. The standards support up to 10gbe. Even old 802.3af still works at gigabit. If you're using a PoE injector make sure it supports more than 10/100mbps as you will be limited to that even if your switch & end device support higher speeds. I do agree with your thoughts on WiFi cameras.
@@elliott7083 Looks like that standard came out in 2018 so probably didn't become mainstream for a few years. News to me though. I hadn't seen one faster than 100Mbits (theoretical). Thanks for the info.
That is good. But wayyyy to complicated. I have wireless in my shop that is 700 feet away from my house and i can stream video in shop. Just attach a yagi antenna to the router and point toward the shop and then have a 2nd router in shop that acts as a repeater.
@@morstoneacres you may have to get a 2nd router and set it up as a repeater and not just try to receive the wifi directly. Also the quality of the main router may have something to do with it. Not sure about that. I streamed tv last night in my shop 700 feet from the router.
This setup would work well with a mesh wifi setup instead of two sepqarate wifi routers. Its a little more conveniant in that you'd only be using a single ssid. the house and the barn ssid's would be the same.
you have a simple (but you've made it overcomplicated) point-to-point link. nothing really special about that. I think mine does about 10 miles if you wanted it too...
I too have WiFi in my pole barn and in my workshop, I have to say that your wiring is just as RATTY Looking as mine, for some unknown reason when the wiring is all neat and orderly it don't work until it gets RATTY looking. I have an all metal workshop and an all metal pole barn so I ran a pair of CAT-5 cables (One to use and one as a backup) from where the internet comes into my house through the floor to an outside wall down the wall into an 1.5 inch PVC conduit over to my workshop to a router used as an access point in my work shop and on to my pole barn through more 1.5 inch PVC conduit to another router/access point. Like you I have very bad cell service so I use WiFi Calling on my cell phones. The way that I have my router/access points configured I can walk and talk on my phones and it will transition from one router/access point to another without dropping the call.
@@morstoneacres Before I retired I was in the TV antenna and Satellite TV business early on I learned that if you want your cables to last you NEED to put them in conduct! Also if you ever want to change the cabling at some point in time, you don't have to dig another trench.
Another great solution is T-Mobile or Straight Talk home internet no wires required so check to see if availability is available in your area either 4G or 5G home internet either straight talk or T-Mobile so anyway just letting you guys know there are other options available just make sure you have XM coverage in your neck of the woods in your neck of the woods make sure you have excellent coverage with either Verizon home internet by straight talk or T-Mobile or Metro by T-Mobile home internet cut the cord and forget the cable cuz you will not need it just giving you guys another solution
O.g seriously, so there is poor to no signal in such areas and your saying buy more sh#t with and additional bill to boot...dumb, just dumb. Plus if he did have great signal and paid for the hotspot and additional bill chances are dara costs would skyrocket once he exceeds his data plan due to a constant live multiple cctv system running, plus any other device using data...SMART lol
@@morstoneacres what you describe is called click bait. You probably manipulate people in the relationships around you, I came here already knowing your "thumbnail" is bait and I found you actually trying to defend it lul
@@codeack101wlckthe thumbnail literally says "up to 1.8 miles" on a more accurately scaled image of the layout... you came to play victim and are not adding anything to the conversation but strife. If you have hints/tips/tricks to share that would be productive...
there were a lot of ways to solve that problem but I think you picked the best solution. no trenches, no aerial runs, etc.. really cool. nice job. you even went the extra mile and installed a wireless router in the barn. I think i would have been cheap and just put a switch in for the cameras. with style my man, with style.
You are a total legend for making this video!
I built long-range antennas, and 3d printed a parabolic reflector with 2 5.8ghz biquad elements. I used to buy old wifi routers and upload custom firmware to make wifi repeaters. Also made some mini itx custom routers with dual wifi cards. It was a fun learning experience and one day i might get back to improving my design.
So up there in the corner you can see the black widow spider, but that’s not required to barn Wi-Fi, it just comes with living in the country
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County living comes with so many benefits!
thanks I was looking to do just what you did .I need to have Internet at the barn also
Depending on the router in the barn you may be able to change it to function as an access point, or put it in bridge mode. Essentially now you have 2 different networks which might not be a problem, but translating and routing between the 2 can introduce lag and potentially an inablity to access those cameras from outside your home internet. Nice vid
Good job! You say in the video it has been working flawless for a few years without even a restart. In the event you do start seeing odd behavior, pull your cat 5 connections (especially in the damp basement) and clean them. I have chased a number of suspected hardware failures/flakiness and it was always cable connections in cool/damp locations.
Thanks for the info!
Really nice set up! That’s a nice thing for country living with a separate building
Nice. I use this at home to extend to a detached property across a road and at a business to extend to an on site residence. One site shoots across apple trees with no problem. Web cams and home assistant features all working great for years now. Could have ran a cable at business but success at home made the radios a simple choice.
Did try powerline adapters, several generations, with no reliable success. But YMMV
Man thank you so much for this video. I been having problems with my internet reaching my garages. For my camera set up. It okay but some cameras get weak signals. And i been looking and found you videos explaining how should be done. Thank you. Short and straight to the point! 😂🤜🏼🤛🏼💪🏼🤙🏼
I just used a google nest mesh router from my house to the brother-in-o=laws house two doors down. Even with a large metal building between us it worked just fine
My house must be made of some other material. I have a mesh network and it barely works 20 feet away from my house
@@morstoneacres I did not think it would work myself but I figured it would not hurt to try. They really did not need internet other that for the Dish Network they just put in so I figured why not give it a try. Like I said the house in between had a large metal pole barn between us the signal would have to get thru. Maybe it was the google routers that made it work but it did
I have tp link mesh routers that reach at least 100 ft from house into yard as well.
I’ve used a UniFi building bridge in a commercial setting to accomplish this, it’s been rock solid for 1.5 yrs, running at 1.6 Gbps!
That’s some decent speed. Unifi is pretty pricey but you definitely get what you pay for.
@@morstoneacres 100%! The UBB was around $600 CAD when I got it, which is certainly expensive, but it was cheaper than burying fibre!
@@morstoneacresunifi is pricey???? Hahaha. A cisco IW series is 7 grand for a 300 mbps bridge
That is an amazing set up for not much $$$ or effort. Seems like something that actually works instead snake oil stuff that you end up fighting with endlessly. Nice.
I’ve been really happy with it. Gets the job done and very reliable.
Setting this up this weekend at my house. Thank you so much!!
Well done! I enjoyed the video and the good humor. Liked and subscribed.
Thanks!
Faced with the same dilemma, I bought a RadioLabs 1-watt configurable access point and a 14-element yagi directional antenna mounted under the eaves of the main building. It beams Wifi to the barn and camper which are 400 feet away. The signal is so strong, you can watch HD video on a laptop inside the aluminum camper without any delays. I had to disable the DNS and let the main router handle it, other than that, it's been up 4 years without a glitch. The advantage is there is absolutely NO hardware on the barn end, where it would just become encased in spider webs. On the barn end, no wiring and no power, ultra high data rate and nothing else to buy. For safety reasons, I don't like anything electrical running in the barn that isn't essential, and what there is, is in a strong metal cabinet with its own protective circuit breaker. I really like your cameras, and need one for the front gate. But how to power it? Solar panel? Looking for a solution.
If you’re ok with batteries there are some decent battery powered cameras. They aren’t always recording but they could get the job done.
that seems really elegant! I have seen where people are using antennas at the barn, but if I understand correctly, you're using the antenna at the main building/wifi source? Like you, my wife doesn't like to have a lot of electrical at the barn so your solution might just be ideal.
@@DeltaCharlie27 Thanks for the reply. The access point is on a shelf in the workshop, a 5-foot low-loss coax goes through a small hole in the wall near the ceiling, and a pipe mount for the Yagi antenna is fastened under the overhang of the roof outdoors. You point the Yagi toward the barn, giving a high-strength signal there. Originally, the barn had no electricity so that's all I could do. It's had 100% uptime for several years and it's still working today. But if you have a metal barn, you'll be better off with a system like the one described in the video. My camper is all-metal, but it has large windows and those let the signal in very nicely. For all the viewers, you'll find the App called "Wifi Analyzer" to be highly valuable to display your signal strength as you walk around your farm. Happy installing!
This is exactly what I suddgested above in my 2nd comment. Just replace one of the routers small antennas with a patch antenna, a yagi or dish and your done.
Well done on the diy solution :)
Good info in the video but would really like to see a drawn out wiring diagram and how to hook to router and also TV. Understand all the barn side of it. Thanks.
I did the same thing to get a signal to my rental cabin and it's only about 250' away. The speed is almost exactly the same as my house and it extended my wifi network to the cabin and beyond.
Well done. I've been thinking about doing this too. I'm curious whether the WiFi signal reaches through the barn's metal skin to the outside. I thought I would also need another access point outside the barn.
Thanks for the video!
It works outside the barn but not at any kind of distance.
All you guys need is directional patch antenna and replace one of the tiny ones fro. Inside your router if your good at a bit of diy. This set up works but it's really not what it's for, it's sup to be for seriously long range and not a few meter away from the house.
Great video and information. Thank you
You''re welcome!
Nice set up. My problem is power on the receiving end. At some point I may have to dig a trench, add some conduit with some ethernet cable, etc.
"It kinda just works" did it for me. 👍
Helpful video. Thank you. Can you make a video that explains how you send the video signals from the 3 cameras?
For these cameras they come with an app and a website you can use to view them. That mainly why I don’t recommend them though. As far as I can tell (and as a professional computer programmer, I’ve tried), it is extremely difficult or impossible to use these specific cameras without the website and app they come with. I would love to get some new camera that keep the video feed off the internet entirely. Someday I will and I’ll make a video about that for sure.
@@morstoneacres Good luck with that, there's a PUSH to put ALL of our DEVICES on the internet.
My question is WHY? Is it to collect our data (video data included) over the internet or is it to be able to control to TURN OFF/ON our devices and or MONITOR our DEVICES using the internet?
As you stated most DEVICES will not work with out being connected to the the INTERNET once again I will ASK WHY?
They just connect to the barn WiFi router...
is it two separate networks though? does your phone have to switch back and forth between the two buildings?
Yes it is two different Wi-Fi networks. They don’t compete with eachother and the phone just connects to the one that’s in range.
Another thing you can do is use something called a powerline adapter. They send internet over the wired circuits in your home. You plug ethernet into both ends of the device. One being the router, and the other whatever you want. They are extremely fast now. I used to have 10mbps ones when I was a a kid which was crucial for getting internet to all my original xbox 360 consoles (I had four because my Dad and I repaired red-ring-of-death consoles!)
Yes powerline does work in some cases. I used powerline for a bit but due to the distance it was not super reliable in my situation.
Those power line modems have come a long way! For best results, use only one pair per real estate property, and be sure that both units are on the same phase of the utility feed, to get the highest data rate. Be advised, if you have solar power with randomized frequency dithering (non-constant conversion frequency), electrical noise from the solar inverter will trash (cover up) the signals from the power line modems and your results may be poor. Inverter companies do this to help pass EMI regulations, but it clobbers the poor little power line modems because the inverter noise gets spread all over the spectrum used by the modems. Constant inverter frequency, no problem because the modems automatically disable the affected carrier frequencies.
Power line adapters are shockingly poor at transferring data and as such are capped around 25mbs if your super lucky to get close (which you won't)
It would not work in the set up as the barn is likely connected directly to a breaker/fuel box and junctions destroy the data transfer due to resistance.
You need a direct wall plug to wall plug on the same continuous powering for this to work.
Just run ethernet cable and your done
Do you need to have a router to use the bridge or access point to use this bridge system?
Why not use a PoE router, and eliminate the PoE injectors? Thanks for doing the video! Tip: support your patch cord where the enter an RJ-45 port. That gray one, will fail over time, with too much strain pulling down.
So you will still need a wireless access point after putting those up ?
Can i use one as a transmitter(host) and 3 more as receivers in order to connect to 3 more houses?
Yes!
It's amazing how the unseen dangers are always the most overlooked.
Point to points really come in handy for separate buildings don't have internet and not able pull wire that far although i prefer Ubiquiti equipment
Since you have power in your barn, did you compare the wireless bridge to a ethernet over powerline set-up? My guess is the powerline network would be much slower but I have not looked closely at either.
Ahh, see you discussed this in a previous comment!
So the question I have is if it works through vegetation. I had one years ago, but it was fairly low powered and pretty easily blocked by small trees. What is it's transmit and receive frequencies? Standard wireless frequencies don't punch through vegetation very well. There is some commercial stuff out there that use lower frequencies. They have long ranges, punch through vegetation. But that stuff is pretty pricey. on the plus side, your neighbors won't pick it up.
It seems hard to believe that you can get almost 2 miles on standard wireless, but maybe it is very directional and focused. It's possible that this stuff has got better than it was a few years ago, I don't know, Any thoughts?
I personally didn’t test it in those types of conditions but it does say that it requires line of sight and recommends that you put it up high. Mine is through a window and I know that it affecting the performance but it works for my needs.
@@morstoneacres Yeah, thanks. I only need a bit more than 100 yards but the least obstructed path has some small trees along the driveway. Most of these lower priced ones operate at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz. But 1.8 miles sounds amazingly far for those WiFi frequencies.
I looked at this one you put in and some reviews made me question its capabilities for my use, but I may have found a better choice but at twice the price without the extra hardware needed. IDK, but some of this stuff has theoretical ranges only achievable in lab conditions. It's hard to be sure if their claims are realistic. This one says that speed is not effected by trees, but I'd bet signal strength is.
You seem to have a fairly simple situation. I guess I will keep reading system reviews looking for someone with as close to possible situation. A lot of this stuff is returnable from Amazon, but you still have to set it up to find out if t will work satisfactorily. Thanks for getting back to me!
Great vid..
I do have a question though. I have the same brand units.
I want to expand my internet over to my father in laws barn from my shed. My shed is hardwired from my house, and plugged into my router. All I have in my shed is a 8 port hub for now.
I have the "remote" end already mounted across to my in-laws barn.
Both my units have 2 cat Cat5 connections in them, but are labeled differently than yours. One port is labeled LAN/POE and the other LAN.
Should I run 1 cable from the unit outside my shed, and use the POE/LAN connection and plug the other end into the POE Port on the power block. Then just run 1 small cable run from the LAN on the power block to my hub.
This labeling POE/LAN on the units have me kind of confused. I know what they mean, but is that telling me that POWER and Internet traffic will all be run through that one cable?
Yes. Power and data run through the same cable
@@morstoneacres Thanks. I set it up around a month ago. Works like a champ.
What happens when a large vehicle like a ups truck drives through your line of sight?
What types of speeds do you usually get in the Barn after this upgrade?
I was planning on getting my Grandmother home some Internet to her home ( around 200 feet away from my home) but eadh company in our area say She out of their coverage rang and would cost 3K for them to run a line from the road up her drive way.
It’s not super fast but still very usable. I get 10mbps from the barn to a server in my house. I’m pretty sure that I could get way better if I fixed a few things
1. The transmitter is in my house beaming through a window. If I moved it up higher in the air and outside it would be better.
2. Im positive the POE injectors and several old network switches and cables are hurting performance.
Some day I’ll redo my whole home network and put in the good stuff but honestly this has worked for what I need and I have had 0 complaints on its performance. Even when using it for the wireless cameras to keep an eye on the horses
How can this system be made to allow a person to monitor whats happening in two out buildings?
How's the performance during bad weather conditions? In your case the barn is right there so it will likely work even in the worst of conditions. I wonder how it performs ways away, during bad weather?
I didn’t really test at other distances but at this distance I haven’t had any issues even in heavy snow or rain.
Is that "the web" in your basement? 🙂
My only question is what is the splitter for in the basement?
There are several wired ports around my house and the switch in the basement distributes to all of those. The cable modem and router used to be in the basement right next to the switch, but I found that the humidity and dust in the basement would ruin electronics so I moved the modem and router upstairs
Excellent video. So basically one doesn't really need the splitter. The Ethernet cable can run right out of the Router and into the POE Adapter, correct?
I recently used a Ubiquiti GigaBeam. It's was super easy, super fast (60 GHz plus 5Ghz backup link) and I thought very reasonably priced.
Nice. Probably a bit overkill for my needs though 🤣
@@morstoneacres understandable, but throwing the option out there for people to consider a name brand that will likely have support for years to come.
Definitely. Thanks for the useful comment!
Awesome soinstead of using 2.4, 5.8, 24ghz you used the open 60ghz band of frequency and now technically could transmit o er 10Gb per second lol
Where did you buy it, can I ask how much it cost?
Thanks in advance
@@armstrongskyview2810 the specific equipment I'm talking about is in the 1 to 2 gigabit range. The backup 5ghz link is up around 450mbps, so even if the 60ghz were to drop the backup would be plenty fast.
More important, to me, is that having the 5ghz backup link makes aiming really easy.
The other thing is because 60ghz is highly directional it isn't prone to the same kind of interference that 5.8 has. I have 2 3 and 3.5 mile 60ghz only links that are faster and more reliable than my 900 feet 5.8ghz only link.
Why is the power over ethernet required if the ethernet cord is powered by the plug that came with the bridge?
It just makes it so you don’t need to run the power cord to the bridge. For example, the one I have on the side of the barn only has the Ethernet cable running to it. Saves running both cables.
Can you eliminate the Netgear router if wifi not necessary and just use ether cable to a computer?
Yes you could do that
Does your phone automatically switch between your house Wi-Fi and the barn Wi-Fi?
Yes it does.
I can't even get decent bandwidth from one end of my house to the other with a repeater in the middle. So 50 feet seems to be the absolute limit of the equipment I've been able to find.
Many repeaters don’t really work as described. I’d recommend you look at a mesh network for inside your house. It truly extends the reach of your WiFi by allowing several wireless endpoints to communicate and hand off the devices
Had zmodo wireless, had to make a separate mesh network for them to not skip...
Interesting. I haven’t really had any performance issues with them. Only thing I don’t like is that you are forced to use their app
As the distance is so short, you should have gone with cat 6 eth cable which would have max speed and been cheaper, just run the cable from the modem to outside, then dig a shallow trench and lay the cable across to the router. Also if you access the barn router you can set it up as an access point on the same network so when you roam from house to barn you do t need to add the barn as a different router. This way if your on an iPhone call such as zoom or WhatsApp, you would not lose the call as the second router would auto reconnect smoothly where as your set up is that of 2 separate router using super slow WiFi 2.4ghz and you might only be getting g 10+most rather than 1gbs over the cable to a 5.8ghz router.
Good for a temp solution but you'd be way better off doing what I suddgested and then using the WiFi patch antennas for a 1 mile+ WiFi access to save on data while your still within site of your home.
Good luck and well done on getting the job done regardless:)
Digging a trench is absurd. Even with a ditch digger, you're talking about hours of work when a 5.8ghz or 60ghz bridge would do the job in 30 minutes or less.
Yes, adding an AP on the same bridged network is potentially a very good idea, depending on coverage / antenna pointing. In some cases, it might take having an outdoor AP and an indoor one (metal building)
I tried running a cable. it lasted for approximately 6 months before it just stopped working. I wasn't about to tear it out or try to troubleshoot it. That's when I switched to this solution.
I'm sure there are many ways to do this. this is the one I went with and I haven't had any issues.
Just wondering on how you made the decision to go UeeVii? You didn't really need to have the antennas of the Netgear to stick out the bottom as your enclosure is wood. If you didn't have the electrical in place someone doing the same thing might think about getting a POE switch and powering the cameras that way. Very well done. Do you have some sort of video recorder to store footage?
I knew the features I wanted and I felt like because it wasn’t a super long distance I didn’t need to buy a really high end product. So I went on Amazon and looked for a wireless bridge with good reviews and was PoE so I didn’t have to run separate power.
As for the cameras, I already had them and they were chosen because they were easy and cheap. At some point I will replace them with a camera system that allows local access. These require the use of the app associated with them (I tried to hack them but it’s proven impossible).
Thank you
Some people may also be able to use something as simple as a power line adapter. Depending on how power is run to the outbuilding/barn and how far it is.
Yeah that’s true. I actually used one of those for a little while but it was too unreliable and slow given the distance and probably the not so great wiring running to the barn from the house.
@@morstoneacres yeah they are real picky with the wiring. I knew someone tht had one working great about 700 feet from the house in his workshop but also knew someone that had no luck getting a decent connection on a shed 50 feet from the house. I have had great luck with them from one side of the house to the other but its all about the wiring.
I did this like 10 years ago or so . Customers house was half a mile from his business. And his mom lives across the street from him …. Business internet fed both residences and owner could access files off business network.
Super old school links’s bridges (3 of them) and these large antennas…
Let me know if you can chat ,,.
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Nothing like creating a Double NAT by using equipment incorrectly. Replaced the second router with an AP or at least run into one of the LAN ports and set it up to act as an AP.
Good tutorial but the wireless bridges need to be higher
True, but puttting the one in the window made it so much easier and it works this way
Can you share what internet speed you have from your ISP in your house when you use bridge and what speed you get in your barn to your wifi router. Just curious.
Hey sorry it took so long to reply. I kept forgetting to run a speed test in the barn.
In my house I have 200mbps cable internet. In the barn I got 20mbps.
@@morstoneacres Great DIY Job.
You could probably increase the speed by fixing a few items:
1) The bridge links need to be much higher, to clear the Fresnel Zone
2) The router antennas should be pointed up. Antennas are polarized and should face up.
3) Bonus: remove the router, install a cheap switch and dedicated access point.
Best of luck!
The router in the barn needs to be set to "Access Point" mode with DHCP disabled.
Or just get a network switch with POE and replace the one switch in the basement, and than you wouldn't need the one the bridge comes with.
And it will also have better speeds if you get the right one.
Yeah that would be the ideal way to do it but this bridge came with the injectors son I just used them
@morstoneacres 100%, I'm just saying that the included injector is not as powerful as it can be.
Therefore, the speeds that you're getting are not as fast as they can be, and with the bridge, you're already getting decreased speeds
Thanks
Welcome!
Nice.
Thanks!
I would not claim to be an expert, but I think you will find your horses 🐎 have disappeared. Thanks for the vid.🇬🇧
I’m not sure I understand. Why would my horses disappear?
I've always run ethernet cable it's been the most reliable
I tried that and did a pretty terrible job at it tbh. The cable failed in less than a year
@@morstoneacres never even heard of a cat cable going bad when this house was built whoever built it installed Cat5e in 2005 we just upgraded the entire house to cat7a and everything is been working perfectly
With line of site like that you can make it hundreds of yards with even the cheapest $30 mesh wifi boxes... none of this directional beaming is needed.
My Wi-Fi didn’t reach from my house. I tried
Yes, we used that solution on my friend's farm. It worked well, but each mesh box needs power and a weatherproof enclosure around it.
Everyone be aware that the speeds for any power over ethernet device is limited to 100Mbps (theoretical max). The power uses some of the communication wires limiting the speeds Running a bunch of camera feeds over that will tax that speed.
Also if your cameras are for security, never get wireless ones.
This system works and is fine for the application, but if yours differs a bit, it may not work out.
You can get gigabit, 2.5 and 5gbe POE devices & switches. The standards support up to 10gbe. Even old 802.3af still works at gigabit.
If you're using a PoE injector make sure it supports more than 10/100mbps as you will be limited to that even if your switch & end device support higher speeds.
I do agree with your thoughts on WiFi cameras.
@@elliott7083 Looks like that standard came out in 2018 so probably didn't become mainstream for a few years. News to me though. I hadn't seen one faster than 100Mbits (theoretical). Thanks for the info.
I appreciate the civil conversation in this thread!
another video on how to plug in ethernet cables.
That is good. But wayyyy to complicated. I have wireless in my shop that is 700 feet away from my house and i can stream video in shop. Just attach a yagi antenna to the router and point toward the shop and then have a 2nd router in shop that acts as a repeater.
I definitely tried that first. I’m guessing my house is made of steel mesh or something. Signal definitely doesn’t reach.
@@morstoneacres you may have to get a 2nd router and set it up as a repeater and not just try to receive the wifi directly. Also the quality of the main router may have something to do with it. Not sure about that. I streamed tv last night in my shop 700 feet from the router.
use the B.A.T.M.A.N. protocol instead
aliexpress has these for 40$ a pop
This setup would work well with a mesh wifi setup instead of two sepqarate wifi routers. Its a little more conveniant in that you'd only be using a single ssid. the house and the barn ssid's would be the same.
True but this was made with mostly equipment I had sitting around other than the wireless bridge.
you have a simple (but you've made it overcomplicated) point-to-point link. nothing really special about that. I think mine does about 10 miles if you wanted it too...
I don’t think it’s too complicated. The real complicated part it my weird network in my house.
I too have WiFi in my pole barn and in my workshop, I have to say that your wiring is just as RATTY Looking as mine, for some unknown reason when the wiring is all neat and orderly it don't work until it gets RATTY looking. I have an all metal workshop and an all metal pole barn so I ran a pair of CAT-5 cables (One to use and one as a backup) from where the internet comes into my house through the floor to an outside wall down the wall into an 1.5 inch PVC conduit over to my workshop to a router used as an access point in my work shop and on to my pole barn through more 1.5 inch PVC conduit to another router/access point. Like you I have very bad cell service so I use WiFi Calling on my cell phones. The way that I have my router/access points configured I can walk and talk on my phones and it will transition from one router/access point to another without dropping the call.
We also use the Wi-Fi calling in the barn. I originally ran a cable but not through conduit. It didn’t last
@@morstoneacres Before I retired I was in the TV antenna and Satellite TV business early on I learned that if you want your cables to last you NEED to put them in conduct! Also if you ever want to change the cabling at some point in time, you don't have to dig another trench.
Ethernet over power lines would have been much cheaper.
Tried that. Didn’t work
Ubiquiti probably work better
1.8 miles = 3 km. 300 foot = 100 m
You noticed that also....
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Another great solution is T-Mobile or Straight Talk home internet no wires required so check to see if availability is available in your area either 4G or 5G home internet either straight talk or T-Mobile so anyway just letting you guys know there are other options available just make sure you have XM coverage in your neck of the woods in your neck of the woods make sure you have excellent coverage with either Verizon home internet by straight talk or T-Mobile or Metro by T-Mobile home internet cut the cord and forget the cable cuz you will not need it just giving you guys another solution
Yes this is another option if you have service available. But there is likely a monthly fee involved. Thank you for the detailed comment!
O.g seriously, so there is poor to no signal in such areas and your saying buy more sh#t with and additional bill to boot...dumb, just dumb.
Plus if he did have great signal and paid for the hotspot and additional bill chances are dara costs would skyrocket once he exceeds his data plan due to a constant live multiple cctv system running, plus any other device using data...SMART lol
Neighbors? Cause I could hack that in 3 minutes.
Lol. Does it look like I have neighbors?
It would be great, but that looks ridiculous.
It works
@@morstoneacres Nice, but I ain't messin' with all that.
Why not just connect a bunch of phones together with hotspot
Seems inefficient
A mess
There is no way that this barn is 1.8 miles from the house maybe 300 feet, this is a misleading thumbnail just so people will click on this video.
The thumbnail literally says “up to” and I talk about it in the video
@@morstoneacres what you describe is called click bait. You probably manipulate people in the relationships around you, I came here already knowing your "thumbnail" is bait and I found you actually trying to defend it lul
@@codeack101wlckthe thumbnail literally says "up to 1.8 miles" on a more accurately scaled image of the layout... you came to play victim and are not adding anything to the conversation but strife. If you have hints/tips/tricks to share that would be productive...
He says in the video that his barn is about 300 feet….moron. Open your ears.
Nothing misleading - it says 'up to 1.8 miles' and in the first 20 seconds he says 'roughly 300 feet to his barn'.
Great idea!! However, that is the sloppiest cabling job I have ever seen. So hard to watch.
It’s function over form