Funny thing is I also remember when the original Infamous 2 trailer launched people hated Cole's new design and wanted him bald again. Then there was the whole femshep (female Shepard) from Mass Effect 3, which people voted for mind you. Then there was controversy with Uncharted 2 Elana and Chloe VS U3 version with people not liking the newer more makeuped looks. And there are still more examples but this is getting long as it is. There has always been controversy, it's just gotten easier for people to complain and harder for people to form their own opinions.
Naughty dog is going to go bankrupt if Sony doesn’t get rid of Neil Drunk man,well the entire staff needs to be fired anyway, clean house don’t, and concord won’t be the last time you lose money
Should have not sticking their nose in other people's art especially those who come from the whole new culture like the East. Shiftup CEO visited your studio but that doesn't mean that you need to redesign their work and then expecting validation like why? People already hating on that E.T bald space girl in the trailer, now they expect people to like the John Cena Eve please.... Lol
Yeah it would've been better if the original art was reworked depicting the same scene. This is merely just a portrait of her meaning that the original would still be used for its intended purpose.
You have to accept the fact that they're bowing to the pressure placed on them as the win it is. Who cares if they're sincere or not if we're all getting what we want? Let them hate us all they want as long as we're winning and getting what we want, who cares? We the gamers, getting what we want IS the apology AND the win. Judge them by each game. As long as we're getting good stuff, Let it go. This redesign is them bowing down and kissing our ring. Take the victories, even the small ones and don't become complacent. Accept it and move on to the next battlefield.
Its not an apology. Its just another fanart. And thats good. The artist doesnt owe you guys anything. And fanart is not meant to look exactly like the original.
That would make them happy what shift up should do to get back at them is to draw Ally from last of us extremely beautiful that would make them 💩 their pants lol
I can look past the "maleness" i guess you could call it. What i cant forgive is the skeletal impossibilty of it. The artist was good, done some great work in the past, but this art is shit, through and through. It so awful when compaired to their other works that it feels intentional. I'm no artist but, I'd have a hard time failing to drive a nail into a board. If that comparison makes sense.
Hey man, been enjoying your content for a while but there is something off putting about the audio setup for a bit now. Not sure if it was always like this but when I listen in headphones, there is really loud breath sounds on the left side. I feel like the reverb is not correct and is causing problems with the stereo field. It may be the compression is jacked a bit too much. It sounds off to have really loud breath sounds only in the left side when listening to both channels. If you listen in and are able to hear the issue, maybe you can find a better reverb setting, or use a gate to cut out the breaths. Idk, this might just be a me problem, but I wanted to bring it to your attention.
That makes sense. I've worked with a ton of artists, and they generally want you to know they can do various styles, not just what's expected from their overlords. It comes in handy when looking for other jobs.
Whoever is behind the Stellar Blade Twitter account is super suspicious. Their messaging is pandering and patronizing. But the Naughty Dog artist's sentiments are sincere. He illustrated EVE's redesign of his own volition, not by following Naughty Dog's "dogma" of making women more masculine. As long as we keep the pressure up, we'll continue to see progress like this. Thanks for this video, Wagner! Happy New Year!
I am inclined to give the artist the benefit of the doubt. He had to either make what the corpo wanted or risk being replaced by an intern using AI. That said, Naughty Dog is still in the dog house. If I wanted to see ugly, I would go to the subway.
Yes, the color palette doesn’t look right, but I think it’s still okay. It’s just a matter of taste rather than a poorly done picture, unlike their first upload.
While it does respect her design, this is just a portrait of her. What was wrong with just fixing the original one instead of drawing a new, generic one?
yeah, good afternoon. as long it does NOT become a norm. we can all do away with that kind of behaviour and conduct, we expect a whole lot from them. we ACCEPT the APOLOGY with NO strings attached. take care, compliments of the season. truth be told
So the actress looks better in real life than she does her video game counterpart? That's the argument here? I, too, refuse to believe that anyone is seriously upset about this.
The sad thing is that ND games are good, not thanks to Neil Druckman but despite of him. The environments, level of details, animations, gameplay etc are good, but the story and character mostly sucks. The problem is that, because these games are still good, we try to put aside the story and do with it, but of course Druckman is going to take credit for the entire thing. He will say people love TLOU 2 story, while all we cared about was that it looked good and had a pretty good gameplay, but many people disliked the story and choices. It's like having a nice steack and a bad sauce with it, because it is still a good steack we try to forget the sauce, but the cook is insisting that people buy this steack because of the sauce. He's litteraly the most useless guy at ND, developers don't need him to make good physics and good animations, artists don't need him to make good designs, level designers don't need him for making levels, artists don't need him for the environments, there's a lot of talented people at ND, that's why their games are good, but the guy at the top, who impose shit story and characters is taking all the credit and think that his contribution is what makes the game great. No, Neil. You are the one that impose that a Ferrari be built with ugly ass pink stickers with flowers everywhere, horrible interior, who add a lot of useless crap to uglify it. In the end it is still a Ferrari, it still have some great qualities, but you've ruined it and we need to deal with it and gest past your non sense to appreciate the work of all the other people !! That's what is so infuriating with this studio.
the hyper feminism agenda changes their core of storytelling, once they believe in good storytelling through gameplay, now they wanna spoonfeed representation and made a story to accomodate that.
I know what you have said about "we dont want to play as Vin Diesel" you just forgot to add as a chick female vin Diesel if it is a dude Vin Diesel sure i dont mind to play a male character that looks like him 😆
All he did was to prove that he can draw and so the first pic was clearly completely on purpose. Just the lousiest of excuses, simply to bait the idiots that actually eat it.
Even so the level of this artist i can imagine how can ve this guy working on a level company like ND. Even so are other freelancer artist with much more level and technic
Thats all they're apologising for? If they want to really apologise to the gaming world, drag Neil out by his hair and get Amy Henning back in to do intergalactic all over again from scratch or maybe just replace this atrocious character is all thats needed to be done. Redo the entire story of TLOU2. Because at the moment Naughty Dog is in ruins right now due to wokeness.
bro, hating on a game that has one of the most beautiful women in gaming, then makes her ugo. yea, you gonna get some super hate, i love EVE, and your gonna lose a lot of remaining fans if you don't change directions, QUICK
This whole thing about making female characters "good looking" or "ugly" is really confusing to me. Is this really what's important about a character or a game in general? I don't get the fixation from either side, and why does it seem to only apply to female characters? Sorry but anyone complaining that a pixel character is too ugly or too sexy is weird to me.
Totally agree, I can understand why people get upset that there is an agenda being pushed. But this painting has nothing to do with that at all. And anyone who knows a little bit about art , knows that Hyoung Taek Nam is a good artist. It was just a quick sketch, and not a really good painting by him. I really recommend people check out his portfolio.
UA-cam is a bigoted shitheap. No one had a problem until the left brought it up in the first place, it's their fixiation, and it is indeed weird.
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Yes. Beauty can launch a thousand ships. Destroyed kingdoms and made men do terrible things to posses. That this somehow confuses you speaks very poorly of any society that produces a passionless creature.
I don't see a problem at all. Maybe I'm just an old school gamer. I'm starting to think a lot of this is fake outrage and a lot of the youtubers are just jumping on this to make some money. Stuff like this doesn't bother me.
Uncharted 4 really sucked, i bought that thinkin i remember the first 3 an really enjoyed them an somethin was just wrong i dont even think i got far enough see any woke shit an if i did then i just wasnt paying attention. Game just bored me just wasnt the same anymore
In comparison I can see it being less aesthetic pleasing, but by itself I don't see the "masculinity" in it. But I don't know what even half the noise is about exactly.
I truly don't understand what exactly was wrong with the first drawing. How could the character portrayed here be considered as masculine? You don't really say how her traits here are problematic to you, I'm genuinely curious to get actual details. So please, elaborate.
MAKE VIDEO GAME GIRLS SEXY AGAIN!
They are, play good games
Touch grass bro
@@Silentkidgaming geez, you're one to talk
@@OfficialBFS 💀💀💀
@@OfficialBFS when were they sxy at first place....all i remember is lara croft having 2 huge pyramids on shitty 90s graphics
The worst thing shift up can do is have anything to do with naughty dog
Agreed
Aren’t both studios owned by Sony?
@ Sony doesn’t own shift up
@ nope Sony doesn’t own shift up
@ For some reason I thought they did.
Who remembers when beautiful characters weren't controversial?
Funny thing is I also remember when the original Infamous 2 trailer launched people hated Cole's new design and wanted him bald again. Then there was the whole femshep (female Shepard) from Mass Effect 3, which people voted for mind you. Then there was controversy with Uncharted 2 Elana and Chloe VS U3 version with people not liking the newer more makeuped looks. And there are still more examples but this is getting long as it is. There has always been controversy, it's just gotten easier for people to complain and harder for people to form their own opinions.
Neil Druckmann destroyed Naughty Dog with his ego. Congrats Neil!
Naughty dog is going to go bankrupt if Sony doesn’t get rid of Neil Drunk man,well the entire staff needs to be fired anyway, clean house don’t, and concord won’t be the last time you lose money
I don't accept that apology one bit.
lol me either they know what they were doing, they’re just mad they got caught.
Should have not sticking their nose in other people's art especially those who come from the whole new culture like the East. Shiftup CEO visited your studio but that doesn't mean that you need to redesign their work and then expecting validation like why? People already hating on that E.T bald space girl in the trailer, now they expect people to like the John Cena Eve please.... Lol
Yeah it would've been better if the original art was reworked depicting the same scene. This is merely just a portrait of her meaning that the original would still be used for its intended purpose.
You have to accept the fact that they're bowing to the pressure placed on them as the win it is. Who cares if they're sincere or not if we're all getting what we want? Let them hate us all they want as long as we're winning and getting what we want, who cares? We the gamers, getting what we want IS the apology AND the win. Judge them by each game. As long as we're getting good stuff, Let it go. This redesign is them bowing down and kissing our ring. Take the victories, even the small ones and don't become complacent. Accept it and move on to the next battlefield.
Its not an apology. Its just another fanart. And thats good. The artist doesnt owe you guys anything. And fanart is not meant to look exactly like the original.
The damage already done, and Naughty Dog pay the price by their fans distance themselves from them...
imagine shift up got their revenge by drawing crash bandicoot ugly LOL
That would make them happy what shift up should do to get back at them is to draw Ally from last of us extremely beautiful that would make them 💩 their pants lol
@@Tommydiistar lol
@@RandomCommentHandle put crash bandicoot in a sexy dress LOL
Sucks because they can't draw Abby or Dina or the new dude from intergalactic because you can't make them uglier
I still think this is overblown. I get what the artist was trying to do. They just missed the mark.
*MAKE BUSTY FEMALE CHARACTERS CAMEL TOES GREAT AGAIN IN OUR GAMING !*
🤘🗿🤘
I can look past the "maleness" i guess you could call it. What i cant forgive is the skeletal impossibilty of it. The artist was good, done some great work in the past, but this art is shit, through and through. It so awful when compaired to their other works that it feels intentional. I'm no artist but, I'd have a hard time failing to drive a nail into a board. If that comparison makes sense.
well at least somebody listened to their customers.
Who?
Hey man, been enjoying your content for a while but there is something off putting about the audio setup for a bit now. Not sure if it was always like this but when I listen in headphones, there is really loud breath sounds on the left side. I feel like the reverb is not correct and is causing problems with the stereo field. It may be the compression is jacked a bit too much. It sounds off to have really loud breath sounds only in the left side when listening to both channels. If you listen in and are able to hear the issue, maybe you can find a better reverb setting, or use a gate to cut out the breaths. Idk, this might just be a me problem, but I wanted to bring it to your attention.
That makes sense. I've worked with a ton of artists, and they generally want you to know they can do various styles, not just what's expected from their overlords. It comes in handy when looking for other jobs.
Beware. Saving face does happen.
Whoever is behind the Stellar Blade Twitter account is super suspicious. Their messaging is pandering and patronizing. But the Naughty Dog artist's sentiments are sincere. He illustrated EVE's redesign of his own volition, not by following Naughty Dog's "dogma" of making women more masculine. As long as we keep the pressure up, we'll continue to see progress like this. Thanks for this video, Wagner! Happy New Year!
I am inclined to give the artist the benefit of the doubt. He had to either make what the corpo wanted or risk being replaced by an intern using AI. That said, Naughty Dog is still in the dog house. If I wanted to see ugly, I would go to the subway.
And it doesn't cross your mind that he risked his job with the good picture if that was the case?
A man with no integrity is no man at all.
Dont they have enough ugliness from the last of us 2 and the dude from the galactic trailer?
the apology drawing is not very good either, i don't like the color palette they used.
Yes, the color palette doesn’t look right, but I think it’s still okay. It’s just a matter of taste rather than a poorly done picture, unlike their first upload.
While it does respect her design, this is just a portrait of her. What was wrong with just fixing the original one instead of drawing a new, generic one?
It alright better than the previous design
@@G4kan260 the character looks better on the new drawing , but the drawing style itself still underwhelms me .
yeah, good afternoon. as long it does NOT become a norm. we can all do away with that kind of behaviour and conduct, we expect a whole lot from them. we ACCEPT the APOLOGY with NO strings attached. take care, compliments of the season. truth be told
We know they're doing this sit on purpose
So the actress looks better in real life than she does her video game counterpart? That's the argument here? I, too, refuse to believe that anyone is seriously upset about this.
Neil is about to druk everything up.
Druckmann better not put any influencing ideas into the Stellar Blade team's heads about narratives of the west.
The sad thing is that ND games are good, not thanks to Neil Druckman but despite of him. The environments, level of details, animations, gameplay etc are good, but the story and character mostly sucks. The problem is that, because these games are still good, we try to put aside the story and do with it, but of course Druckman is going to take credit for the entire thing. He will say people love TLOU 2 story, while all we cared about was that it looked good and had a pretty good gameplay, but many people disliked the story and choices. It's like having a nice steack and a bad sauce with it, because it is still a good steack we try to forget the sauce, but the cook is insisting that people buy this steack because of the sauce. He's litteraly the most useless guy at ND, developers don't need him to make good physics and good animations, artists don't need him to make good designs, level designers don't need him for making levels, artists don't need him for the environments, there's a lot of talented people at ND, that's why their games are good, but the guy at the top, who impose shit story and characters is taking all the credit and think that his contribution is what makes the game great. No, Neil. You are the one that impose that a Ferrari be built with ugly ass pink stickers with flowers everywhere, horrible interior, who add a lot of useless crap to uglify it. In the end it is still a Ferrari, it still have some great qualities, but you've ruined it and we need to deal with it and gest past your non sense to appreciate the work of all the other people !! That's what is so infuriating with this studio.
the hyper feminism agenda changes their core of storytelling, once they believe in good storytelling through gameplay, now they wanna spoonfeed representation and made a story to accomodate that.
I know what you have said about "we dont want to play as Vin Diesel" you just forgot to add as a chick female vin Diesel if it is a dude Vin Diesel sure i dont mind to play a male character that looks like him 😆
their message is "a strong woman is a masculine woman"
It's sad i like the idea of him drawing eve kicking a$$ but he gave her the fran face.
But it is really awesome he back tracked and did a better eve.
you guys need to forgive and forget these guys. They've never seen a woman lol
When you think you can draw and no one had the balls to tell you that you suck at it. Cope art is not fan art.
Neil is trans
It's not bad, but why couldn't he just fix the original one instead of drawing a brand new one that doesn't even depict the same scene?
Probably he was not allowed to do that.
It IS bad. Look at the proportions than just the face. Also his other art is nowhere as awful as this
Not naughty dog. The artist apologized. People need to know this. But trust shall be kept wary
All he did was to prove that he can draw and so the first pic was clearly completely on purpose. Just the lousiest of excuses, simply to bait the idiots that actually eat it.
Never forget what they did to Joel.
I misread that and thought they were apologizing for the Intergalactic they/them.. heh.. but that would be crazy, right? 🤷🏻
People are upset over a drawing? Are y'all okay? 😂😂😂 It's a fu*king drawing....
Even so the level of this artist i can imagine how can ve this guy working on a level company like ND. Even so are other freelancer artist with much more level and technic
Thats all they're apologising for? If they want to really apologise to the gaming world, drag Neil out by his hair and get Amy Henning back in to do intergalactic all over again from scratch or maybe just replace this atrocious character is all thats needed to be done. Redo the entire story of TLOU2. Because at the moment Naughty Dog is in ruins right now due to wokeness.
the second version is stil not good. she isnt ugly anymore by any means. but she doesnt look asian
It still looks bad.
Naughty dog.. the biggest fall from grace story in the video game industry!! Probably equally with Ubisoft!! Maybe worse!!
bro, hating on a game that has one of the most beautiful women in gaming, then makes her ugo. yea, you gonna get some super hate, i love EVE, and your gonna lose a lot of remaining fans if you don't change directions, QUICK
Naughty Dog needs to disappear
Plus I never liked trans alex and trans steve because they are activists of Minecraft. Good dog.
This whole thing about making female characters "good looking" or "ugly" is really confusing to me. Is this really what's important about a character or a game in general? I don't get the fixation from either side, and why does it seem to only apply to female characters? Sorry but anyone complaining that a pixel character is too ugly or too sexy is weird to me.
No one ever had a problem until the "progressive left" brought it up in the first place. It's THEIR fixiation and you're right, it is indeed weird.
Totally agree,
I can understand why people get upset that there is an agenda being pushed.
But this painting has nothing to do with that at all.
And anyone who knows a little bit about art , knows that Hyoung Taek Nam is a good artist.
It was just a quick sketch, and not a really good painting by him.
I really recommend people check out his portfolio.
UA-cam is a bigoted shitheap.
No one had a problem until the left brought it up in the first place, it's their fixiation, and it is indeed weird.
Yes.
Beauty can launch a thousand ships. Destroyed kingdoms and made men do terrible things to posses.
That this somehow confuses you speaks very poorly of any society that produces a passionless creature.
I don't see a problem at all. Maybe I'm just an old school gamer. I'm starting to think a lot of this is fake outrage and a lot of the youtubers are just jumping on this to make some money. Stuff like this doesn't bother me.
Uncharted 4 really sucked, i bought that thinkin i remember the first 3 an really enjoyed them an somethin was just wrong i dont even think i got far enough see any woke shit an if i did then i just wasnt paying attention. Game just bored me just wasnt the same anymore
“Fan” art
Yall are wild, it's not ugly
@NerdettesNewsStand it is ugly, no need to be obtuse about it.
In comparison I can see it being less aesthetic pleasing, but by itself I don't see the "masculinity" in it. But I don't know what even half the noise is about exactly.
@@jerometesar2594 I'm not, I don't think it's ugly
I truly don't understand what exactly was wrong with the first drawing. How could the character portrayed here be considered as masculine? You don't really say how her traits here are problematic to you, I'm genuinely curious to get actual details. So please, elaborate.
Yeah I liked it too. It's reminiscent of some old school cartoons/anime. Nothing ugly about it. Just different art style.
Naughty Wokes
Ashlin was the last naughty dog character that had good character lmao
Really???lol