The Approach Shot (nearly) Everyone Is Throwing Wrong
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- This situation comes up all the time and nearly every player in the world throws it the far more difficult way. This sounds like an exaggeration but it isn’t. This shot I show you is so simple that every player that learns it will be better at it that any pro in the world is at throwing it the incorrect way!
Note: Gerry Geare was actually shown the throw by his friend Dave Yokum. When it comes to the history of throws,  it gets quite murky, because somebody often showed “the creator of the throw” that throw first and then later we hear about that throw being used elsewhere in the world even earlier. So when it comes to crediting a throw to someone, I typically credit “the inventor of the throw” as the first person to use to throw competitively at a higher level and in competition This is completely subjective, but it’s the definition that I tend to prefer… That doesn’t make it correct though, just my opinion :-)
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Let's call it ROFL - Rolling on Fairway Lifesaver
Thanks Scott! After 35 years of disc golf, I didn't think there was another throw to learn.
Being a beginner is awesome, and I can't wait to practice this one.
I’ve only been playing for about 12 years and I’ve never seen anyone throw that shot. It’s the coolest shot I’ve ever seen. Thanks again for sharing this with us all. Can’t wait to give it a go. 😎
I've always been to scared to attempt a serious roller
I really enjoy the history bits man, those are a really cool bonus not many of the channels can speak on
Done this for years. Me and my friends call it the Seppo Paju roller, he is really good at them.
It's one he uses to get out of The Trouble (4th type of shot in his vid) ... ua-cam.com/video/2ejXCJvlb4M/v-deo.html
I'm pretty sure I watched you throw this shot during the Final 9 of the 2004 Grateful Disc at Edora Park! You rolled it to circle around a large-diameter evergreen tree and it circled it right to the basket...
Great Scott what a Great Shot. WILL add it to 'My Extended Bag of Tricks'. But I doubt the name will stick. Here's why: Most players throw for distance facing sideways with a power grip, but we putt facing forward with a fan grip. It's the same with rollers. With this shot, we are facing forward, with a fan grip, in order to throw an approach shot with accuracy. Therefore 'Approach Roller' is A. Accurate B. Easy to understand and C. Doesn't bog down in a "History of Frisbee Throws" debate😉. Thanks for posting. Can't wait to try it.
Flipping the disc and using a pistol grip, works well for me on this shot, but always willing to learn something new. And I like the sound of Rolling Gear shot.
I learned this 15 years ago from ... who? ... Scott Stokely. I might use it a dozen times a year but, every time I do, my friends look at me like I'm a genius. I don't tell them that I learned it from a genius but, rather, it's just part of my skillset. ;-) Thanks Scotty!
I like the idea and name of the Gear.
You are so correct. Cut rolling is damn near impossible , but it looks cool when it happens.
I'm going to try this. There's quite a few areas on my home course, The Sinks, when you hit a tree you are in the woods qnd that is the only option.
(commenting on wife's youtube account,ha)First tournament of 2023(1-29th), 18th hole, BH turnover ended up 15 ft in woods on rt side. I had a window & this is the only throw that would get me outta there.. I've practiced it so I thought "do it!" And I did. And it was flawless. Put me in putting range to save par. PERFECT ENDING TO FIRST 2023 EVENT!! Thanks Scott!
I vote we call it... THE STROLLER (Stokely Roller)!!
Great tip - saw something very similar on the Latitude 60º channel with Tomas and Jonathon a while back. Very simple and very effective.
Very cool and easy to learn, thanks for the tutorial and history lesson, Scott! I keep telling my buddies about your tutorials, as they've really helped my game.
That's the thing sometimes I find you a lot to digest but this is an excellent tip and I will use it thank you very much.
This is the one of the first throws you learn in discdog and it is just called a roller. It is such a simple and reliable shot. But if it wasn't for this video, I would never have thought of using it in disc golf as well. I can´t wait to give it a try.
what is discdog?
What’s discdog
Came here for the disc golf tip, stayed for the flying disc history!
We had this discussion over naming of throws ultimate versus disc golf at ultimate practice a few months ago and texted John Schiller who explained the two scoobers just as you did. Thanks for getting into the weeds for your fellow disc dorks out there.
Scoober + Roller = Scroller
Love that. It also works with Scott + Roller... Aka the Gear... or the Jerry Curl lmao
Scott, this is so amazing and literally going to change my game moving forward! Thank you!!!
Always love hearing more history of the game!
I also never have seen this shot before and i WILL be practicing this! Great video!
Scott, could have used this a week ago. Had a situation that thas lined up for it perfectly. Now I know what to work on
Holy moly it works. As a lefty it goes left. I was able to curve it around a tree next to the basket.
I have used this many times since taking your 8 hr seminar. My Son looked at me like I was a genius when it goes right around the tree and ends up by the basket.
This year i had been working on throwing a thumber roller as the flick roller right turning alternative but they require extreme angle and often cut right way too hard. Flick rollers have saved me countless strokes. This is literally genius. Thank you for sharing
I'm gonna start calling it a Stroller. I dunno, just seems like a name that fits the shot.
I just tried this out. Remarkably consistent. Thanks Scott.
7:23 I'd recognize Renaissance DGC anywhere, lol. I was there a few weeks ago right after the pro tour championship and heard that you were on the course somewhere. I was hoping to run into you at some point, but at least now I know what you were doing, haha!
Great background (and correct history) Scott!
Heck of a time of year to "roll" this one out... oh yeah, no snow there!
Feeding the basket with SCOOBER SNACKS...
Another great Scott Stokely video.
Never seen the shot until this video and I've been playing frisbee since 1975. Familiar with air bounces and rollers but never saw or thought of this kind of shot. Looks excellent will be trying. Thanks for the video. Just subscribed.
I came up with a new type of roller the other day. The grip is similar to a thumber but your thumb is laying on the inside of the disc. You just throw it like a baseball and can get 300+ feet easy.
My name suggestion would be Scoobler. Smash the names together, and you get a fun name that flows off the tounge like a salmon swimming up a stream of water. Scoobler. Scoobler!
I think whoever enjoys Scott's videos would also enjoy his book, Growing Up Disc Golf. Well written and it covers a subject we all love.
one more reason to get 1 more berg! thanks Scott!
You are a legendary teacher of the game. Maybe the best right now
I went and threw this immediately and the very first throw was perfect, I never even thought this was a possibility!!
Awesome technique!! Thanks so much. You see any snakes 🐍 in Australia? I’ll be watching. Picked it back up after 10 years. I love it again. Started in the late 80’s.
I love using my Berg to throw rollers so much more predictable than my other discs.
I will try this out, TYVM.
7:24 ok that was truly satisfying
Stokley roller it is... 🙂
It will be the gear in my world. Thanks for the lesson.
Mind blown by the simplicity! Going to try it tonight.
My friends tease about doing unnecessary scramble shots. I've had this shot in my bag for a long time :) I'd say there is a hand full of easy midrange/putter shot types everyone should know.
When you get off the tee as “well” as i do there’s no such thing as an unnecessary scramble shot
I just saw footage of Chris Dickerson using this shot, only he held the disc in a thumber grip. Still, essentially identical release angle and usage.
I vote for calling it the “Stokley Gear”!!!
This is great! I kept trying the thumber roller but I always pops out of the hand wrong. This is going to be awesome! I'm going to call it the Stokely didn't invent this roller!
I learned this at the seminar and it works. I’ve only used it once since then, but it works.
Cool. I'll be back field testing again soon after a rib injury about a month ago and will try this out. The best thing, I don't currently have a roller in my repertoire so there are no bad habits too break.
Best disc golf teacher. Period.
Thank you for clarifying the name. So few people know that history!
How about the Stokley Gear? Thanks for the ez throws and the history. "Toss a Stokley Gear at the pole it's magnetic"
Just saw McBeth do a thumber roller in this situation. Why did I never think of either of these options? They seem so obvious
I definitely try it Scott! thank you! Gear shot sounds nice :)
It's taken some work but I've been pulling this shot out while playing now and it's been great. One key, for me at least, is to be relaxed about the throw- the disc really zips out without any effort and if I try to put too much speed on it, the disc flips over to the right very fast. A little bit of left leaning angle, relaxed release, and I'm getting those 40-80' right finishing rollers without any effort.
Now if I could only stop flaring my sidearms out whenever I'm trying to go more distance than an upshot...
To the Gear!!
A little Gerry Geare Disc Golf history:
Winners of Double Disc Court at World Overall Championships
• 1978, WFC: Al Bonopane/Charlie Duvall, Laura Engel
• 1979, WFC: Steve McLean/Gerry Geare, Teresa Gaman/Cyndi Birch
• 1980, WFC Pasadena, CA: Gerry Geare/Mark Horn, Anne Campagna/Marie Braciale
Scoober roller!
I remember being shown this in the seminar. It's really cool especially when it works
Great shot. Thanks Scott.
I’ll call it the STroller, no doubt😁
So it's basically a thumber roller with a BH grip.
I've never thought of that.
Many thanks! Great instruction and history of the game to boot!
Gear roller or Jerry Roller
Thumber roller also works nicely!
Cool approach, I will have to try it with my Berg.
Scott, does the Berg spin the opposite way now that you are in Australia? Or is the Coriolis effect only work on toilet water?
No wait!
No need to rename.
Just call the shot the backhand scoober and call Brodie’s and the Ultimate throw the forehand or sidearm scoober, right?
It totally makes sense to me at least. The Ultimate is with a forehand grip and the other is with a backhand. Then we can call the roller the scoober roller as well😊
And just want to say great tip! Exactly what I need in my game. I’ve tried with the thumber roller, but that throw doesn’t have as much energy as this one👏
Love me a thumber roller for this shot shape. Has more power potential too.
Can't you get a similar result by just throwing a forehand roller with a thumber grip? That seems to allow for more power while still getting the disc "facing" the correct way to finish right.
But at least for me the disc comes out of the hand (releases) super awkwardly that way… and it never works😔
Im proud I already knew this from a latitude 64 video
The scoober is forehand. The throw you are describing is either the old man's throw or the chicken wing. Been in use for 30+ years. An old buddy of mine throws it almost exclusively after he had his like 5th shoulder surgery. Saw him ace with it on an elevated basket in league once. Impressive accuracy.
Not a chicken wing either, at least not from my ultimate background (which I agree with Scott it makes disc golf more approachable if we rename some stuff to match ultimate). Chicken wing uses an upside down fan grip (4 fingers on top, thumb under the rim) but the throw is right side up because you throw with your palm down on your throwing arm side. The mechanics of the throw are very similar to a low arm angle baseball pitch, with obvious differences because you're holding a disc, but the result is something like a forehand, at least in terms of rotation direction and release point. I've never seen it be the best option in any game but I have seen players throw it quite far, it's a fun trick shot to have
First time playing with Fish I didn’t know he was a top pro and I watched him park hole 26 short tee to A pin at Seneca with a back hand cut roller. Insanely difficult shot.
In ultimate there's an old man's throw and chicken wing as well! Our Old man throw is a backhand throw where as a right-handed player you throw from right hip like a normal throw with backhand grip. Kinda looks like the bowling or baggo style disc golf putting motion. Our chicken wing throw (my favorite goofy throw) is done with index finger on rim, all fingers fanned out out on top with thumb curled under rim. The disc is flat like normal on release and the throw is straight arm throw from about shoulder height. Comes out with the same spin as FH. I use it to throw a FH spinning throw around a defender. Love the way everyone has different names for all kinds of throws. Crazy how many ways you can throw a disc usefully!
The chicken wing is entirely different; the closest DG throw to it is the pterodactyl.
Great stuff scott!
I propose it be called the SS roller
See you in Canberra next weekend mate.
The Gear Roller so says the Stokley !
I just throw a thumber roller in stead of the wonky backhand roller if I need to.
I've been throwing that shot since the mid 80's. Especially good when you've missed a double mandy--back in the day we had to "un-wind" if you missed going through. That meant shooting back towards the Mandy ON THE SAME SIDE YOU MISSED IT ON then going through the Mandy. It could really add up strokes If your roller missed and was now 300 ft passed the Mandy in a wooded section. And of course the roller always ended up "parked" under your basket you're going to--unless your me and miss the Mandy and Ace it!!! Arghhh.
They need to bring back the old mandatory rules. Nothing says "I screwed up" better than having to unwrap a missed mandatory. Drop zones are for sissies. I've been yelling "Riley!' every time I miss a mando lately. (Bonus points if you actually HIT the sign that says "mandatory.")
@@ronjones-6977 LOL dude that's awesome. How about putts? Good to hear from you. We have to get together and reminisce. I've got plenty of good stories to share. I like the " bonus if you hit the Mandy sign!!! Niiiice
Stokley Roller!!!
Approach is my strength so it will be exciting to watch this.
Mine too :)
People ask me why my approach game is so good. Well, when you throw a LOT of crappy drives, the rest is easy.
Sadly due to limited distance off the tee, approach is my strength as well.
Wow...I've tried thumber rollers for that left to right approach roll a few times in the past. It wasn't great. Gonna have to give this doggie a try.
This might be a silly idea but what if you threw a forehand roller, but flipped the disc in your hand?
It's called a thumber roller, Chris Dickerson made a sick parkjob with one: ua-cam.com/video/Wn9elveKpXM/v-deo.html
Thumber Roller. Definitely a thing, but rarely used.
@@justinmcness Also is a thumber roller with disc as if you are doing a thumber forehand shot but vertically.
Chris Dickerson used one on Jomez this year, it was cool.
Joel F is godtier at thumber rollers
Cut rolls are definitely a little tricky to properly measure the angle, pressure, pressure. However, they can happen. I did a solid cut roll on purpose on Sunday. Rhfh, Alpine Baobab. It had to be at about 150+ feet. I planted the Baobab at a 1 o clock angle to the left, and let it curl right to under the basket. I had plenty of witnesses as well.
I'm excited to see your run of Baobabs!!!
Many blessings to you, Scott!
Like the suggestion. I've thrown it before messing around instead of thumber rolling. Gear throw it is!
Everytime I throw an awesome roller, I'm not trying to throw a roller.
Done. Gear it is!!!
Intrigued, will definitely give this a try. Is there an advantage to this over a thumber roller? i.e. Why not just flip the disc and throw a forehand roller?
Needed to see this 🙏
Dude…Ima gunna practice this tomm…Never thought about this before…
Thanks Scott…Nice name btw. 🤪🤪🤪
This is cool, but my first thought here would be to do a thumber roller. Do you think there are advantages or disadvantages vs a thumber roller?
I don’t think it matters much, might put a little more spin with the scooter roller, but if you can control your thumber roller then it achieves the same shape
Drop the thumber straight down for sure
I love the thumber roller. I find it’s a harder shot to release it past 90 deg to get my ideal roll. The forehand roller I can put 85 deg from flat and get the roll I want
8:24 How many Bergs? Lol.
I just got done watching your video about the scoober roller. I don't think you need to change the name. Just identify it as a backhand scoober versus a side arm scoober. I think that could be an adequate correction cuz both shots are similar but thrown opposite ways
And I’m just like how do u have so many pumpkin orange discs?
I usually throw a thumber roller in that situation
This is awesome. I do forehand rollers for upshots all the time but they all finish left (duh) so I've been trying to do them left handed, sidearm cut roll, or even a thumber roller (exercise in futility) to get them to finish right. I've never even seen or thought about doing the shot this way. Super "stoked" about trying this!
I'm more preoccupied by the number of Bergs you have. There's nothing on the shelves out here in Denver, CO!
cool ty
Hey Scott thanks for sharing your trip.
I haven't tried this yet, I like the mechanics,
Your Spike Hyzer is it valued arrow in my quiver.
Ty
Awesome, Scott! Jeff from Indy here that does the children's discs with CM from Z discs. This throw is perfect for step out of left brush with the right hand to roll approach in the woods. I was doing it all wrong; laying it down far too early and trying to 'flick' it down with the fingers under the rim. Thanks Brother, for all you do. Which would you recommend in Innova: Rhyno, XD or Roc?
stokely roller sound great!