Shooting a bareshaft through paper is not bareshaft tuning. Although it makes it easier to read the tear. But, you have to have good form to bareshaft tune.
Mate I agree with you on 99% of what you say but when it comes to what bare shaft tuning is your wrong and the people commenting are right, you're only got to type in how to bare shaft tune a compound bow, that been said I believe if you spend the time properly paper tuning your bow that's all you need to do to get perfect broad head flight.
@ under any definition of bareshaft tuning that we choose to use, my point still stands - we don’t shoot bareshafts at animals so I don’t care how they fly. I will do some reading on what others are suggesting here, and I appreciate the feedback and for watching my videos!
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads that's like saying I don't care how the arrow goes through paper because I'm not hunting paper. Shooting a bare shaft through paper is done to confirm that your bow is shooting the arrow perfectly, same as using fletched shafts, the difference is if you can get a perfect bullet hole with a bare shaft you will not have to do another thing, your bow is tuned, you should try it, start with the fletched shafts and then when you got them looking good , shoot a couple of bare shafts and see what happens.
Shooting a bareshaft with tape to match fletch weight out as far as you can really with a fletched shaft will absolutely have you in a better place when it comes to Shooting broadheads
Been shooting archery for 51 years. Everything he says here is true. However! You can use different methods to achieve the same results. You just have to choose what works best for you.
I don't use the normal bareshaft method. With a rhinehart 18 to 1. I tune the bare shaft to run parallel horizontally and vertically with a fletched arrow. If i do that my paper tune is good. If i start with the the paper tune the above bareshaft results are not met. Timing and cam lean fix the parallel Problems. I move the rest as a last resort. Tune is at 2 and 7 yards
Great advice. I remember someone ask Frank Person a very good Pro shoot back in the 80/90' if he bare shaft tuned, he sad no. I shoot vanes there still legal in competition. 😅😅😅 NASA they dont lunch rockets without wings.
@toothofthearrowbroadheads so you're saying if you spine index a arrow and fletch accordingly it won't matter and will hit the same as another arrow fletched just any way??
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads then please do a video on why spine indexing is so important to the United States archery team. For the love of God, they even make a tool for it. At this point, im gonna agree to disagree
@@nxtpymtoffroad because they are a pro team, if there’s a step they can take to make their setups even 0.01% more accurate in theory they will do it. For our hunting purposes, there is no chance you would ever notice a difference. If I can hit a tennis ball with my broadheads at 100 yards, I don’t know what more a bowhunter would want out of their bow
@toothofthearrowbroadheads sorry buddy, I guess I missed the part where you stated only bowhunters and not archers as a whole. Either way, the main point is we are striving to give that animal a clean quick kill and archer, the ability to be more accurate
A broadhead cannot fly like a field tip, no Broadhead fixed or mechanical. The drag from exposed blades, the length, the tip differences among other things will always make them fly different. You can make them IMPACT the same, but they will NEVER “fly” the same. Having a broadhead on the front of the arrow is almost like having vanes on the front of the arrow, not the same as a field tip or target point at all.
@@ElfidoVigil a properly built arrow will not be impacted by the blades, hence they fly like a field point. If they impact the same spot, and have great arrow flight, there is little more that we should care about. I’ll touch more on this in Episode 21 of the Let Off
If you have any amount of FOC the vanes will have a much bigger effect on arrow flight than the broadhead bc of the long fulcrum to the vanes from center mass. Compared to the short length from center mass to the broadhead.
I love the first one on allignment, but. as a begginner I am missing a lot of material about building arrows. I have correct spine, I know my arrow GPI, I cut a good lenght size and got correct inserts and now the tip weight and vanes size is a big guessing on my side. Where can I find more materials on what would be good tip weight for my setup or up what distance it does not matter, same for what distance the vanes would affect me. I try a bit with that elements, but not sure if I am not below the distance where it matters? Is the fps and measuring the speed to optimal path and need to add chrono to my workshop?
My OCD won’t let me misalign them. But, it’s definitely not to improve my arrow flight. 100% agree with letting the FOC take care of itself. I went down the FOC rabbit hole and hated my tapes. Started targeting a 270-275 fps and my tapes and groups are perfect. Now I feel like no matter what arrows I want to experiment with, I build it to target that speed and my tapes only need very minor adjustments, if any at all.
Shit kills me people are so anal for pin point shots just shoot and shoot a lot you only get better when you’re shooting a lot bareshaft cracks me up use quality arrow at the right spine your golden!!
Wow, you lost me hard with bareshaft. You need to talk to target archers. FOC does matter in the penetration equation. That's been proven through study.
@toothofthearrowbroadheads when we say bare shaft, we don't mean bareshaft through paper. We mean bareshaft impacting with fletched arrows. Also, after line tunning, cross referencing with bareshaft and having that data point to know if your bow ever goes out of tune. Paper is macro tunning. Bareshaft tunning and line tunning are micro tunning. This is super common in the target and Redding crowd. Most people who disregard these tunning methods either have never tried it or are not proficient enough archers at distance to reliably execute them.
@@Practice2Perfection lol Two arrows to different weight two different speeds two different FOC two different spines that impact the same? Lol Means my bow tuned? Pls dont parot false info
Oh, but the arrows look so awesome setting in my quiver when the vanes are aligned with blades. And the vanes all have to be in the same position,lol. I have never done the bare shaft thing in all my years. I do paper shoot vaned arrows at 5 feet and 15 feet with both same weight field points and the broadheads. Mainly just because I love tinkering. I do have my field tip and broadhead arrows hitting the same poi. No idea of the FOC. 👍👍
@@zhickman338 9/10 times I don’t need to make any adjustments, but sometimes I need to make a small arrow rest adjustment. This is just due to the adjustment being so small that you can’t see it on paper. Check out my walk back tuning 101 video for that!
Shooting a bareshaft through paper is not bareshaft tuning. Although it makes it easier to read the tear. But, you have to have good form to bareshaft tune.
@@ron4546 that is the definition that most archers are using!
Most people I know when talking about bareshaft tuning are referencing where the bareshaft impacts in relation to fletched shafts.
Mate I agree with you on 99% of what you say but when it comes to what bare shaft tuning is your wrong and the people commenting are right, you're only got to type in how to bare shaft tune a compound bow, that been said I believe if you spend the time properly paper tuning your bow that's all you need to do to get perfect broad head flight.
@ under any definition of bareshaft tuning that we choose to use, my point still stands - we don’t shoot bareshafts at animals so I don’t care how they fly. I will do some reading on what others are suggesting here, and I appreciate the feedback and for watching my videos!
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads that's like saying I don't care how the arrow goes through paper because I'm not hunting paper.
Shooting a bare shaft through paper is done to confirm that your bow is shooting the arrow perfectly, same as using fletched shafts, the difference is if you can get a perfect bullet hole with a bare shaft you will not have to do another thing, your bow is tuned, you should try it, start with the fletched shafts and then when you got them looking good , shoot a couple of bare shafts and see what happens.
Shooting a bareshaft with tape to match fletch weight out as far as you can really with a fletched shaft will absolutely have you in a better place when it comes to Shooting broadheads
Vanes change everything!
Been shooting archery for 51 years. Everything he says here is true. However! You can use different methods to achieve the same results. You just have to choose what works best for you.
Exactly! Thanks for the reply and for watching!
Bro, if the logo doesn’t line up on each arrow when in my quiver, I throw the arrows in a lake😂
Only reason why i'm rotating my inserts and broadheads so that the logos match in my quiver lol.
@@elncalls 😂
On point again, definitely know your shit
Thanks Tony, hope you are enjoying the content!
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I don't use the normal bareshaft method. With a rhinehart 18 to 1. I tune the bare shaft to run parallel horizontally and vertically with a fletched arrow. If i do that my paper tune is good. If i start with the the paper tune the above bareshaft results are not met. Timing and cam lean fix the parallel
Problems. I move the rest as a last resort. Tune is at 2 and 7 yards
Thanks for the insights and for watching!
Great advice. I remember someone ask Frank Person a very good Pro shoot back in the 80/90' if he bare shaft tuned, he sad no. I shoot vanes there still legal in competition. 😅😅😅 NASA they dont lunch rockets without wings.
That is a great quote I will definitely be using!
Ask aerospace engineers if foc matters. Having a decent amount of foc allows vanes to have more control.
Yes, FOC matters as I stated in the video - I just don't suggest targeting a specific FOC as your end goal in building an arrow.
Totally agree 👍
@@TomCurry-t2w Thanks Tom!
The vanes alignment absolutely matters if you find the spine alignment and fletch accordingly
@@nxtpymtoffroad we have proven again and again that it doesn’t, but it certainly doesn’t hurt! Thanks for watching and sharing
@toothofthearrowbroadheads so you're saying if you spine index a arrow and fletch accordingly it won't matter and will hit the same as another arrow fletched just any way??
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads then please do a video on why spine indexing is so important to the United States archery team. For the love of God, they even make a tool for it. At this point, im gonna agree to disagree
@@nxtpymtoffroad because they are a pro team, if there’s a step they can take to make their setups even 0.01% more accurate in theory they will do it. For our hunting purposes, there is no chance you would ever notice a difference. If I can hit a tennis ball with my broadheads at 100 yards, I don’t know what more a bowhunter would want out of their bow
@toothofthearrowbroadheads sorry buddy, I guess I missed the part where you stated only bowhunters and not archers as a whole. Either way, the main point is we are striving to give that animal a clean quick kill and archer, the ability to be more accurate
A broadhead cannot fly like a field tip, no Broadhead fixed or mechanical. The drag from exposed blades, the length, the tip differences among other things will always make them fly different. You can make them IMPACT the same, but they will NEVER “fly” the same. Having a broadhead on the front of the arrow is almost like having vanes on the front of the arrow, not the same as a field tip or target point at all.
@@ElfidoVigil a properly built arrow will not be impacted by the blades, hence they fly like a field point. If they impact the same spot, and have great arrow flight, there is little more that we should care about. I’ll touch more on this in Episode 21 of the Let Off
I would say that the exception is the Thorn expandables.
If you have any amount of FOC the vanes will have a much bigger effect on arrow flight than the broadhead bc of the long fulcrum to the vanes from center mass. Compared to the short length from center mass to the broadhead.
Who cares (how they fly) before impact ad long as they hit straight and with the others.
@@nxtpymtoffroad I’ll get into all of this on Episode 21 of the Let Off for you guys! I really appreciate the comments and conversation!
I love the first one on allignment, but. as a begginner I am missing a lot of material about building arrows. I have correct spine, I know my arrow GPI, I cut a good lenght size and got correct inserts and now the tip weight and vanes size is a big guessing on my side. Where can I find more materials on what would be good tip weight for my setup or up what distance it does not matter, same for what distance the vanes would affect me. I try a bit with that elements, but not sure if I am not below the distance where it matters? Is the fps and measuring the speed to optimal path and need to add chrono to my workshop?
@@Ducatistto Ill go into depth on this on Episode 21 of the Let Off for you
@ great !!
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Thanks for watching!
My OCD won’t let me misalign them. But, it’s definitely not to improve my arrow flight.
100% agree with letting the FOC take care of itself. I went down the FOC rabbit hole and hated my tapes. Started targeting a 270-275 fps and my tapes and groups are perfect. Now I feel like no matter what arrows I want to experiment with, I build it to target that speed and my tapes only need very minor adjustments, if any at all.
@@bobbyfrench6735 love it!
Shit kills me people are so anal for pin point shots just shoot and shoot a lot you only get better when you’re shooting a lot bareshaft cracks me up use quality arrow at the right spine your golden!!
@@ericplatt3390 couldn’t agree more!
Wow, you lost me hard with bareshaft.
You need to talk to target archers.
FOC does matter in the penetration equation. That's been proven through study.
@@Practice2Perfection if your system works for you, that’s all that matters! Mine works for me, and it’s never included bareshaft
Bare shaft is bs. Arrows are different
@toothofthearrowbroadheads when we say bare shaft, we don't mean bareshaft through paper. We mean bareshaft impacting with fletched arrows. Also, after line tunning, cross referencing with bareshaft and having that data point to know if your bow ever goes out of tune. Paper is macro tunning. Bareshaft tunning and line tunning are micro tunning.
This is super common in the target and Redding crowd. Most people who disregard these tunning methods either have never tried it or are not proficient enough archers at distance to reliably execute them.
@@Practice2Perfection lol
Two arrows to different weight two different speeds two different FOC two different spines that impact the same?
Lol
Means my bow tuned?
Pls dont parot false info
@ I will respond to all of these comments in depth in Episode 21 of the Let Off where I can go deeper than I am willing to type out!
Oh, but the arrows look so awesome setting in my quiver when the vanes are aligned with blades. And the vanes all have to be in the same position,lol. I have never done the bare shaft thing in all my years. I do paper shoot vaned arrows at 5 feet and 15 feet with both same weight field points and the broadheads. Mainly just because I love tinkering. I do have my field tip and broadhead arrows hitting the same poi. No idea of the FOC. 👍👍
@@timbow50 good stuff Tim!
Don’t really disagree with anything. I imagine that you are still broadhead tuning at some point after paper.
@@zhickman338 9/10 times I don’t need to make any adjustments, but sometimes I need to make a small arrow rest adjustment. This is just due to the adjustment being so small that you can’t see it on paper. Check out my walk back tuning 101 video for that!
I think you know your stuff. Who cares what other people say.
Thank you! 👊