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You could do an entire history series of 'terrible ideas in hindsight'. Maos great Leap famine might be a little dark, but it's an important lesson on planning and over-optimism. 'Military invention stories' would be great, too. How an American-made Holt tractor and a tin can named "little willy" led to the great war stalemate being broken by the British mark IV tank, for example
Nobody spies on their allies (or assassinates civilians in allied nations) better than Mossad. The Russian GRU/FSB is _still_ trying to catch up to their K/D ratio abroad. They still deny the elimination of allied agents, sources and citizens of the UK, the US, and Canada.
@@Infernal460 lol now we know it was brexit that was the stupid move but never interrupt your enemy when they are shooting themselves in the foot I say lol
A bit sad they didnt mentioned Mexico’s thoughts on the matter. There was NO WAY Mexico accepted the deal, as they were in the middle of a civil war, they were aware that grabbing so much territory filled with americans was an exercise in futility, and commerce between the two nations was starting to pick up. But still, a reaction or a position would have been appreciated.
Carranza did dispatch a commision to investigate its likeness, as he disliked the americans. But of course, the answer was: Even if we did invade, the U.S. will absolutely murder us, Germany won't provide other than paper support since the blockade is effective in Europe and we will be blockaded in the gulf. Even if by some miracle we win, it's unlikely we can hold on to the land since its so heavily anglo populated. In other words, completely unfeasible. And that was that
don't be ridiculous, they were never trying to disguise the origin or destination of the message, merely its contents. A VPN doesn't help with that, you need encryption at a higher layer :P
Informative stuff about one of the glossed-over events in history. Now talk about what was going on in Mexico when they sent the telegram (aka the Mexican Revolution). There’s enough twists and turns for a good series
Great episode! I like breaking down the 'yadda yadda's. I love history because one of my college history teachers stressed the "whats and whys" rather than the "When and Who". We all know when and who, but the fascinating bits are the backstories and causes.
Yeah, school curricula often focus too much on boring dates and names while glossing over the important connections. But memorizing dates and names is easier to grade, so...
To be fair, 1914-1918, Franz Ferdinands' assassination, and Otto von Bismarck are super easy answers to put on a multiple choice test. It's a terrible disservice to the students, but grading 30+ history nuance essays would suck the life out of anyone.
@@crinkly.love-stick OTOH being asked to remember hundreds of meaningless dates and names is also not very fun. I guess it's best to seek a middle ground. Modern media can help a lot with animeted visualisations and stuff compared to simple text books.
On the other hand, sometimes you don’t get enough of the who. I went through an entire course on the British Empire that talked a lot about what happened and why, but didn’t mention any of the people who actually made the stuff happen. They’re an important part of the why.
Germany's allies in WWI: the outdated Ottoman Empire, the unstable Austro Hungarian Empire, and small countries like Bulgaria. Seriously If you want to win a war you have to have strong allies. Mexico was going through a civil war .How were they supposed to help Germany?
Giving the US something to worry about at its own doorstep. They would have thrown Mexico under the bus in a heartbeat if that meant the Americans would keep out of Europe.
Their perspective was basically “this is a really bad idea that couldn’t possibly work in our favor. Plus we’re kind of in the middle of a civil war and are in no position to start wars with other countries right now.”
Also, the USA was extremely strong by this time and Mexico's military was currently in shambles and had no chance of defeating them in organized combat of any form
There’s a fascinating detail left out in all this that the US didn’t have a dedicated intelligence service at the time and would only have the predecessors of the CIA and NSA basically built for the US by UK-hence continuing the “special relationship” between the US and UK through the modern age.
They missed the best part the telegraph line the Germans used to send the message across the Atlantic was a Danish one that went through a relay station in England they literally sent the entire telegram straight to the British
I heard of something predictable being telegraphed, but this is ridiculous! Funny thing is... This might very well be the ONE thing Wilhelm and Trotsky have in common, as he did the exact same mistake with the Czechoslovak legion.
Suddenly in the mood for more series/one-off episodes on pre-Information Age codebreaking for some reason... edit: wait, I've got a better idea. Extra Cryptography, anyone?
@@mestre12 that would be a good series, but I'd be concerned that EC would have to get stuck on LGBT inequalities, because of UA-cam politics. It's hard to teach nuances, when some people only pick up keywords and run wild without the context. I definitely agree that alen Turin deserves a full biography series, seeing as around 90% of today's tech stems from his genius
I wrote this episode and I teach a class called The History of Information Warfare that is ALL ABOUT this topic (intelligence history and cryptography from the ancient era to today). I love this idea!
Another thing was Mexican response to the telegram. The president of Mexico was terrified by the telegram. With revolution brewing in Mexico, the last thing he wanted was conflict with the US. So after some discussion, they decided to present the telegram to the US ambassador as a gesture of goodwill and friendship between the two countries. As an additional benefit, while engaged with the war in Europe, there would be less incentive to interfere with the internal affairs of Mexico.
The telegram specified "Texas, New Mexico, Arizona," but not the other lost territory to the north and west (i.e. California, Nevada, Utah or Colorado)
@@pflume1 Overall probably not..... since most of what kids/teens will only find the conflicts exciting as shown in shows/movies they might get to watch. Think Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan and the such, while the chances of watching them might be low also depends on the teacher and or what lesson they can build off it. Really depends on level of school/class, and how its portrayed.... never mind when you were in school learning it. I know there were the odd movie we watched in school when said teacher was sick and the fill didn't have a good game plan for the day. But like any part of school... depends on the student. Also depends on what history is covered, I remember some national history, a minor amount of world, industrial revolution, some WW1 then lots of retread WW2 for jr/sr high. Something like this I feel movie was only recently shown in showing like the adaptation of "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" for example. And maybe given the hype of the recent film "Oppenheimer" fits here as well.
I never get tired of the delightful ironies of history that come from the tangled webs that we humans like to weave fiction could never be so interesting
Fascinating story indeed! And btw, glad to see (and hear again!) Zoey. I have to say I was a bit worried by her sudden very silent shyness during those last weeks.
A similar thing happened during the US Civil War. It’s called the Trent Affair. A British ship called the Trent was intercepted by the U.S. Navy carrying ambassadors from the CSA tasked with trying to get the UK into the war. The British complained about their ship being intercepted, so the ambassadors were allowed to go on their way, but the UK declined to enter the war anyway.
They probably would have entered the war if Lincoln didn't quickly throw together the Emancipation Proclamation to change the objective of the war from refusing to let the South govern themselves to ending slavery in the rebel states.
A historical topic I can't hear of without thinking of a witty tweet from some years ago. [paraphrased] While in a bar, watching Mexico play Germany in the World Cup, I commented: "Ah yes, the Zimmerman Telegram." With no response, thinking no one had heard me, I repeated myself. I did this again and again until 911 was called and the Fire Marshal made a citizen's arrest. I didn't know they could do that.
Also probably a convenient way around privacy laws. "I didn't read your email without a warrent, that's illegal. That other country did, just as we read their peoples' emails. Then we tell each other what we found out."
@@anthonyyates9003 well, not really. They used America's lines to contact Mexico, not knowing that England had tapped the line. It's like having a private conversation with someone, without knowing they're on speaker phone, with the volume so high the neighbours can eavesdrop.
@@crinkly.love-stick except the cables where lade by the English and as such pretty much all went through Cornwall in England if you where looking for the shortest route you would go from Spain or North Africa but because the English placed them and said everyone else could use them you can emagin what happened
Historian Barbara Tuchman’s “The Zimmerman Telegram” is an excellent book that deals with a lot of this. One thing I’ve never understood is why Zimmerman didn’t deny the authenticity of the letter.
Yes indeed. Things had settled down comparatively by early 1917 but that was the same year that Mexico's modern-day Constitution was ratified and so I can imagine there were plenty of other things, non-military related, on the minds of Mexican president Venustiano Carranza.
They also had a focus meeting on the feasibility of taking on the States. Two main reasons aside from their civil war was that all they had from Germany was their word that they would support them, and the States was far too strong to win and keep lands from invading the States.
@@jonnunn4196 the mexican government was later vindicated it's choice when Germany proved that they were backstabbers in WWII: they made promises to other countries that took them up on offers, and then betrayed them. Mexico was smart enough to avoid any sort of alliance with germany and will always have bragging rights for that; even Russia can't make that claim.
Minor point from a national point of view, If you're not spying on your friends, then how do you know they are your friends? Remember "Trust, buy verify'?
It's amazing to imagine two countries could have kept a secret this important this long. We live in an age where a soldier will put secret information on a Discord server just to impress people.
I absolutely love your videos. I would love to see videos on how Samoa was split up between Independent Samoa and American Samoa, one an independent sovereign country, another a part of the United States. Another one is how the Marianas islands are two separate parts of the United States on the same island chain. Another one if you haven’t created one is on the Spanish American war
Espionage is too valuable a tool in geopolitics to not use even on close allies. The public may be unaware, but every country is always spying on all other countries at all times
What a wonderful episode. I hope to see y'all do an episode or serious covering the fall of Constantinople. It's a pivotal point in our world's history and changes so much for Europe.
History teaches us that when powerful people want war it will happen regardless of excuse. In fact history lessons glorify war a lot more than the peace that follows. As a result unfortunately to this day politicians around the world grow up having learned far more ways to make war than to make peace.
One thing missed, Mexico had NO interest in war with the USA, they were in the middle of a revolution, and the US at was far better equipped, they weren’t going to win, and Mexico knew it.
I love how currently - we see ourselves as the most advanced humanity has been in centuries Yet during this time, the people of the day thought the same and some even believed there’s no more that can be done that has been done Just the hindsight and the prospect of seeing what may come in the future….amazes me and I can’t wait
Random unrelated history fact: When Greece won their war of independence against Turkey, they got their independence, while the Serbs who after decimating the turkish forces in the 1st serbian uprising and won the 2nd serbian uprising only got autonimy. (sory for bad english)
@@Sirmatthaeus The Greeks had Britain, France and Russia on their side. Also, (EDIT: Philhellenism) was all the rage back then, so the idea of an independent Greece was a bigger deal to them. The British and French probably knew next to nothing about Serbia's history.
To be honest I think the Zimmerman telegram is overly credited concerning American entry into the war, there was a large concentrated effort from American industries to join the war so that war loans would be repaid by the Entente.
Yes, there are several episodes about one Polish-Ukrainian war.What would be really interesting to hear is what ordinary citizens and cultural figures thought about the civil war.
One of the reasons we teachers have to yada yada so much is that the school year is short. In the school that I teach at in the state of New Jersey, there are only 3 years of social studies required. I believe two important changes need to be made to social studies education: 1. Require 4 years of social studies, and 2. Get rid of the "world history" and "U.S. history" distinctions. We could cover things so much more efficiency and in true chronological order if we just taught the history of the world for 4 years. Just call them History 1, History 2, History 3, and History 4.
"I know not why we should blush to confess that molasses was such an essential ingredient in American independence. Many great events were preceded by small causes." --John Adams
Brilliant episode, so glad to see a more in-depth telling of s crucial part out the world wars history. Also love the rainbow representation for Turing!!
@@ericmcconnaughey2782 Yes he was, but at the end of the episode they talk about how the events of the Zimmerman Telegram directly related to the work Turing and the rest of the team did during the 2nd World War.
Fun fact! You can wiretap telegraph lines by digging up a wire, scraping the insulation off of a couple of points on the wire, alligator clipping two leads to the line, and popping the other ends of the leads into your mouth. The pattern of electric shocks across your tongue is the signal. (Do not try this if you have metal fillings.)
Another important consequence of this beginning the alliance between UK and USA is that UKs intelligence service trained the CIA because USA had no spy network or intelligence service to counter the KGB.
Interesting yada yada video. You forgot to mention that the Telegram was the only win condition left to the Central Powers. At the time of the telegram the US already had a regiment in Northern Mexico under the command of Pershing (Yes. The initial person in charge sent once war was declared) looking for Pancho Villa. The US was the major supplier for Britain so any disruption to that supply chain would be catastrophic. Also Mexican oil powered 90% Of the British Navy at the time which would also disrupt that.
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Yada yada can be the title of a history series with similar topics. ☝️
Video about Ho Chi Minh Vietnam revolutionary
could you cover one off episodes in the "lies" episodes where you talk about mistakes?
You could do an entire history series of 'terrible ideas in hindsight'. Maos great Leap famine might be a little dark, but it's an important lesson on planning and over-optimism.
'Military invention stories' would be great, too. How an American-made Holt tractor and a tin can named "little willy" led to the great war stalemate being broken by the British mark IV tank, for example
Y’all gonna close down soon?
"The british were spying on their potential ally"
Every spy service ever: "Yeah? And?"
even when already ally lol
@@thehumus8688 especially if already ally.
Stalin could have learned from them...
Nobody spies on their allies (or assassinates civilians in allied nations) better than Mossad.
The Russian GRU/FSB is _still_ trying to catch up to their K/D ratio abroad.
They still deny the elimination of allied agents, sources and citizens of the UK, the US, and Canada.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing I'm going to say citation needed.
"Why is America spying on Merkel? You don't spy on allies " *Britian whistling as they walk out of the room*
*Britain stays in room*
Britain: Well considering what Merkel has done. We would be fools not keep ourselves informed on her next stupid move.
Which is hilarious since Germany 100% spies on the US, but they pretend they don't.
@@Infernal460 lol now we know it was brexit that was the stupid move but never interrupt your enemy when they are shooting themselves in the foot I say lol
America has spies everywhere. Hell, I'm pretty sure we spend more than a little time spying on ourselves.
A bit sad they didnt mentioned Mexico’s thoughts on the matter. There was NO WAY Mexico accepted the deal, as they were in the middle of a civil war, they were aware that grabbing so much territory filled with americans was an exercise in futility, and commerce between the two nations was starting to pick up. But still, a reaction or a position would have been appreciated.
I agree.
For some reason history channels rarely discuss the Mexican Revolution
Carranza did dispatch a commision to investigate its likeness, as he disliked the americans. But of course, the answer was: Even if we did invade, the U.S. will absolutely murder us, Germany won't provide other than paper support since the blockade is effective in Europe and we will be blockaded in the gulf. Even if by some miracle we win, it's unlikely we can hold on to the land since its so heavily anglo populated. In other words, completely unfeasible. And that was that
Thank you folks for the extra details. This was a big question mark in the video and really glad to hear.
Check out History Matters - he did a video on exactly that topic!
Zimmerman should have used Nord VPN.
He probably did, since security breach is almost a daily event xD
And maybe considered using Honey for his war supplies
And Raid Shadow Legends to secure tactical advantages
don't be ridiculous, they were never trying to disguise the origin or destination of the message, merely its contents. A VPN doesn't help with that, you need encryption at a higher layer :P
@@keiyakinsVPN are now only useful for geo-blocking contents instead.
Informative stuff about one of the glossed-over events in history. Now talk about what was going on in Mexico when they sent the telegram (aka the Mexican Revolution). There’s enough twists and turns for a good series
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Yes!! Oh goodness, that could be a three part series.
Mexican President: So… who would a war with America fare for us?
Mexican Generals: Everything already on fire will be even more on fire.
If you want, Mike Duncan’s Revolutions ha a very good podcast on the twists and turns of the Revolution. Truly very interesting stuff.
Not just that América invade México and defeated one of the rebel groups that invade Texas
Great episode! I like breaking down the 'yadda yadda's. I love history because one of my college history teachers stressed the "whats and whys" rather than the "When and Who". We all know when and who, but the fascinating bits are the backstories and causes.
Yeah, school curricula often focus too much on boring dates and names while glossing over the important connections. But memorizing dates and names is easier to grade, so...
To be fair, 1914-1918, Franz Ferdinands' assassination, and Otto von Bismarck are super easy answers to put on a multiple choice test. It's a terrible disservice to the students, but grading 30+ history nuance essays would suck the life out of anyone.
@@crinkly.love-stick OTOH being asked to remember hundreds of meaningless dates and names is also not very fun.
I guess it's best to seek a middle ground.
Modern media can help a lot with animeted visualisations and stuff compared to simple text books.
On the other hand, sometimes you don’t get enough of the who. I went through an entire course on the British Empire that talked a lot about what happened and why, but didn’t mention any of the people who actually made the stuff happen. They’re an important part of the why.
Germany's allies in WWI: the outdated Ottoman Empire, the unstable Austro Hungarian Empire, and small countries like Bulgaria. Seriously If you want to win a war you have to have strong allies. Mexico was going through a civil war .How were they supposed to help Germany?
“No guys we got this; we’re fine we can take on the US.”
@@stevemc01 Mexico you’re drunk
Indeed. Mexico was going through a major Civil. The most civil I've ever seen
By making the US a bit scared and divert resources. The video said they didn't expect Mexico to invade the US
Giving the US something to worry about at its own doorstep. They would have thrown Mexico under the bus in a heartbeat if that meant the Americans would keep out of Europe.
So, that plot in The King's Man WAS true....
That was true, though they did mess with the details of that event (as well as various other events) for the sake of an entertaining movie.
I Just watched the film lol
Interesting that the mexican perspective is missing in this episode considering the 10 years long civil war that was unfolding in the country
Their perspective was basically “this is a really bad idea that couldn’t possibly work in our favor. Plus we’re kind of in the middle of a civil war and are in no position to start wars with other countries right now.”
Not to mention the US had already placed troops on the Mexican American border, due to said Mexican civil war.
Also, the USA was extremely strong by this time and Mexico's military was currently in shambles and had no chance of defeating them in organized combat of any form
There’s a fascinating detail left out in all this that the US didn’t have a dedicated intelligence service at the time and would only have the predecessors of the CIA and NSA basically built for the US by UK-hence continuing the “special relationship” between the US and UK through the modern age.
All I can say is you truly gave us something Extra here.
This is the most accurate explaination of the zimmerman telegram ive heard. (Outside of credible research papers).
They missed the best part the telegraph line the Germans used to send the message across the Atlantic was a Danish one that went through a relay station in England they literally sent the entire telegram straight to the British
@@Enigmaticldeas I don’t think it went to London but a signal boosting station on Cornwall
I heard of something predictable being telegraphed, but this is ridiculous! Funny thing is... This might very well be the ONE thing Wilhelm and Trotsky have in common, as he did the exact same mistake with the Czechoslovak legion.
Suddenly in the mood for more series/one-off episodes on pre-Information Age codebreaking for some reason...
edit: wait, I've got a better idea. Extra Cryptography, anyone?
I think a serie on Alan Turin would be intresting.
@@mestre12 that would be a good series, but I'd be concerned that EC would have to get stuck on LGBT inequalities, because of UA-cam politics. It's hard to teach nuances, when some people only pick up keywords and run wild without the context.
I definitely agree that alen Turin deserves a full biography series, seeing as around 90% of today's tech stems from his genius
Sharing secrets: from the Caesar cipher to quantum cryptography.
I wrote this episode and I teach a class called The History of Information Warfare that is ALL ABOUT this topic (intelligence history and cryptography from the ancient era to today). I love this idea!
Here's a thought: If the US had joined the war later or not at all, wouldn't the "Spanish" flu have been less destructive?
Very nice.
Good question.
Still wouldve killed loads of people, but maybe less than in our own timeline.
Slightly
No.
Another thing was Mexican response to the telegram. The president of Mexico was terrified by the telegram. With revolution brewing in Mexico, the last thing he wanted was conflict with the US. So after some discussion, they decided to present the telegram to the US ambassador as a gesture of goodwill and friendship between the two countries. As an additional benefit, while engaged with the war in Europe, there would be less incentive to interfere with the internal affairs of Mexico.
My textbook may not have noted these details, but I do recall hearing/reading that Zimmerman got the states he promised to Mexico wrong.
He promised Alaska and hawaii
The telegram specified "Texas, New Mexico, Arizona," but not the other lost territory to the north and west (i.e. California, Nevada, Utah or Colorado)
@@yetigriff naw
A perfect example of how the "boring" parts of history are just as interesting and important as the exciting ones.
History in school is exciting?
@@pflume1 Overall probably not..... since most of what kids/teens will only find the conflicts exciting as shown in shows/movies they might get to watch. Think Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan and the such, while the chances of watching them might be low also depends on the teacher and or what lesson they can build off it. Really depends on level of school/class, and how its portrayed.... never mind when you were in school learning it. I know there were the odd movie we watched in school when said teacher was sick and the fill didn't have a good game plan for the day. But like any part of school... depends on the student. Also depends on what history is covered, I remember some national history, a minor amount of world, industrial revolution, some WW1 then lots of retread WW2 for jr/sr high.
Something like this I feel movie was only recently shown in showing like the adaptation of "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" for example. And maybe given the hype of the recent film "Oppenheimer" fits here as well.
Besides the Zimmerman telegram don't forget the Balfour Declaration.
The Holcroft Covenant, The Chancellor Manuscript, The Rhinemann Exchange & The Scarlatti Inheritance are also underrated.
I never get tired of the delightful ironies of history that come from the tangled webs that we humans like to weave fiction could never be so interesting
Fascinating story indeed! And btw, glad to see (and hear again!) Zoey. I have to say I was a bit worried by her sudden very silent shyness during those last weeks.
A similar thing happened during the US Civil War. It’s called the Trent Affair. A British ship called the Trent was intercepted by the U.S. Navy carrying ambassadors from the CSA tasked with trying to get the UK into the war. The British complained about their ship being intercepted, so the ambassadors were allowed to go on their way, but the UK declined to enter the war anyway.
They probably would have entered the war if Lincoln didn't quickly throw together the Emancipation Proclamation to change the objective of the war from refusing to let the South govern themselves to ending slavery in the rebel states.
4:47 as a spy main i approve this is 100% tf2 canon
A historical topic I can't hear of without thinking of a witty tweet from some years ago.
[paraphrased]
While in a bar, watching Mexico play Germany in the World Cup, I commented:
"Ah yes, the Zimmerman Telegram."
With no response, thinking no one had heard me, I repeated myself.
I did this again and again until 911 was called and the Fire Marshal made a citizen's arrest. I didn't know they could do that.
Lol I hope that's not a true story
Germany:
There is no way asking Mexico to invade America will have any consequences
America:
You bois dun goofed up
Spying on allies is not at all weird, its pretty much been a practice of statescraft since maciaveilli.
Also probably a convenient way around privacy laws. "I didn't read your email without a warrent, that's illegal. That other country did, just as we read their peoples' emails. Then we tell each other what we found out."
@@TombaFanatic jeus christ its jason borne
@@TombaFanatic not that it actually stops us spying on ourselves too.
I'm not going to lie, I burst out laughing at the fact that the message was intercepted was because Britain was spying on us lmao 😂
Germany: “Let’s use the US’s telegram system to get Mexico into the war.”
“HOW DID THEY FIND OUT”
Because they used British cables to get to the USA
@@anthonyyates9003 that’s the joke
@@anthonyyates9003 well, not really. They used America's lines to contact Mexico, not knowing that England had tapped the line.
It's like having a private conversation with someone, without knowing they're on speaker phone, with the volume so high the neighbours can eavesdrop.
@@yumenoko-g6y please look up who lade the cross Atlantic cables please
@@crinkly.love-stick except the cables where lade by the English and as such pretty much all went through Cornwall in England if you where looking for the shortest route you would go from Spain or North Africa but because the English placed them and said everyone else could use them you can emagin what happened
Man, imagine the alternate history where Germany knows how to properly code messages.
They did. British intelligence was just so good that with enough time they were able to decode the enigma
@@alaron1784 There was no Enigma in WW1
@@pilum3705 But he IS talking about the Enigma getting decoded.
@@Nexandr That is exactly what he is pointing out.
And Japan
Historian Barbara Tuchman’s “The Zimmerman Telegram” is an excellent book that deals with a lot of this. One thing I’ve never understood is why Zimmerman didn’t deny the authenticity of the letter.
I'm glad you're talking about Mexico, in this case in the context of the Great War.
If any episode of Extra History should've been sponsored by a VPN provider, you'd think this would be the one.
By the way, even when Mexico found out about the telegram they didn't care because at the time they were dealing with their own civil war
The Mexican government also regarded Germany's promise of financial backing as unreliable.
Yes indeed. Things had settled down comparatively by early 1917 but that was the same year that Mexico's modern-day Constitution was ratified and so I can imagine there were plenty of other things, non-military related, on the minds of Mexican president Venustiano Carranza.
They also had a focus meeting on the feasibility of taking on the States. Two main reasons aside from their civil war was that all they had from Germany was their word that they would support them, and the States was far too strong to win and keep lands from invading the States.
@@jonnunn4196 the mexican government was later vindicated it's choice when Germany proved that they were backstabbers in WWII: they made promises to other countries that took them up on offers, and then betrayed them.
Mexico was smart enough to avoid any sort of alliance with germany and will always have bragging rights for that; even Russia can't make that claim.
Love that Alan Turing's name is rainbow colored, nice touch
I am surprised this video wasn't sponsored by Nord VPN
As a history teacher I can confirm the "Yadda, yadda" part.
(@1:44) “But a lot of important stuff happens in those yaddas!”
_Extra Credits,_ Jan. 2022
The greatest slip-up in history.
No asking about a family member on the Bismarck was.
@@redwind5150 “Is my son ok?”
“Yeh.”
End of message; all they could’ve done and done over with.
the Zoniev Letter brought down PM Ramsay Macdonald
THE ARTIST FOR THIS DID NOT DRAW SPY FROM TF2 FOR THIS
A CROSSOVER I DIDNT KNOW I NEEDED FR
I LOVE THIS SO MUCH
Minor point from a national point of view, If you're not spying on your friends, then how do you know they are your friends? Remember "Trust, buy verify'?
Better drama and plotting than The Eternals. 10/10
Love the throwback to the WWI episode art style
yada-yada-ing is most definitely making its way straight into my vocabulary
You yada yada’d the best part!
No I mentioned the war declaration.
It's amazing to imagine two countries could have kept a secret this important this long. We live in an age where a soldier will put secret information on a Discord server just to impress people.
I absolutely love your videos. I would love to see videos on how Samoa was split up between Independent Samoa and American Samoa, one an independent sovereign country, another a part of the United States. Another one is how the Marianas islands are two separate parts of the United States on the same island chain. Another one if you haven’t created one is on the Spanish American war
I think he covered the occupation of the Philippines by the US but I'm not sure
Espionage is too valuable a tool in geopolitics to not use even on close allies. The public may be unaware, but every country is always spying on all other countries at all times
Even little Liechtenstein?
What a wonderful episode. I hope to see y'all do an episode or serious covering the fall of Constantinople. It's a pivotal point in our world's history and changes so much for Europe.
History teaches us that when powerful people want war it will happen regardless of excuse. In fact history lessons glorify war a lot more than the peace that follows.
As a result unfortunately to this day politicians around the world grow up having learned far more ways to make war than to make peace.
"And America did nothing"
A true staple of the Wilson administration
Love that you displayed Turings name in rainbow colors ^_^
You should do an episode on the Mexican revolution some time.
One thing missed, Mexico had NO interest in war with the USA, they were in the middle of a revolution, and the US at was far better equipped, they weren’t going to win, and Mexico knew it.
But Mexico paid for it with 700 miles or more of a wall at the border and security measures because now USA did not trust them.
@@judycarver7542 Can't blame the USA for not trusting them after the US had just dealt with Pancho Villa.
“keep calm and intercept “ lol¡!
Keep bringing more history stuff. I love this Channel 😍
i need more ww2/ww1 history from this channel
the spy from team fortress 2 lurks somewhere in this video
Just watched king's man
Was excited when they put into movie along with all the historical incident 😀
I *just* got home after watching The King's Man.
The timing for this episode is rather conspicuous.
Heard my name, decided to stop by.
Actually I don't know anything about WW1 and would like to. Thanks for keeping this channel up and going man.
I love how currently - we see ourselves as the most advanced humanity has been in centuries
Yet during this time, the people of the day thought the same and some even believed there’s no more that can be done that has been done
Just the hindsight and the prospect of seeing what may come in the future….amazes me and I can’t wait
I feel like you could do a whole mini-series on Yada Yada History
You need to do the Gouzenko affair, the insane force and comedy of errors that is the definitive start date of the Cold War.
4:50
Thanks for recognising the masterpiece of Team Fortress 2 lads!
England was always lucky when it came to 50:50 chances...
I had no idea. That's fascinaing. Thanks!
Random unrelated history fact:
When Greece won their war of independence against Turkey, they got their independence, while the Serbs who after decimating the turkish forces in the 1st serbian uprising and won the 2nd serbian uprising only got autonimy.
(sory for bad english)
I just don't know how that works.
@@Sirmatthaeus The Greeks had Britain, France and Russia on their side. Also, (EDIT: Philhellenism) was all the rage back then, so the idea of an independent Greece was a bigger deal to them. The British and French probably knew next to nothing about Serbia's history.
@@andrewklang809 that kind of makes sence
I loved this episode 👍🏽
You should start a mini series dedicated to and titled "The Yada yadas of History"
To be honest I think the Zimmerman telegram is overly credited concerning American entry into the war, there was a large concentrated effort from American industries to join the war so that war loans would be repaid by the Entente.
Indeed, the tail was wagging the dog even then. When the military industrial complex gets going...
@Tora
Sources or evidence?
I mean even a small delay in America joining gives the central powers more time to capitalize on the collapse of Russia
I have a suggestion for Extra History!!! The Russian Civil War! I would love to see how you guys go about this event.
They did already , through 1939.
Yes, there are several episodes about one Polish-Ukrainian war.What would be really interesting to hear is what ordinary citizens and cultural figures thought about the civil war.
@One beat brony They have one about the August coup. Also look under ten minute world history list.
@One beat brony I wish I knew how, but look under the cold war list.
@@redwind5150 they never did wym
Beautiful illustrations in this one.
Particularly enjoyed the TF2 spies at 4:48.
I’ve always considered this the most “what the fu*k did you think was gonna happen?” Moment
Can you make a video about Alan Turing?
Wish they talked about Mexico's perspective on this
One of the reasons we teachers have to yada yada so much is that the school year is short. In the school that I teach at in the state of New Jersey, there are only 3 years of social studies required. I believe two important changes need to be made to social studies education: 1. Require 4 years of social studies, and 2. Get rid of the "world history" and "U.S. history" distinctions. We could cover things so much more efficiency and in true chronological order if we just taught the history of the world for 4 years. Just call them History 1, History 2, History 3, and History 4.
I ran 6 red lights!
heh, you sure did bud..😅
There is a saying: 'There is nothing more dangerous than a smiling Englishman'.
It's like Germany wanted defeat, but they didn't want to stand in line. They wanted to take the Defeat Express.
Great video
"I know not why we should blush to confess that molasses was such an essential ingredient in American independence. Many great events were preceded by small causes."
--John Adams
Brilliant episode, so glad to see a more in-depth telling of s crucial part out the world wars history.
Also love the rainbow representation for Turing!!
I thought Turing was ww2 vs Enigma??
@@ericmcconnaughey2782 Yes he was, but at the end of the episode they talk about how the events of the Zimmerman Telegram directly related to the work Turing and the rest of the team did during the 2nd World War.
btw, mexicos response in a nutshell was:
"hahahahaha NO."
Huh, had no idea. Interesting for sure.
Good morning
"it's the type of message that can change the course of history"
Me a Mexican: PFFFFFFTT! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Yeah right!
Fun fact! You can wiretap telegraph lines by digging up a wire, scraping the insulation off of a couple of points on the wire, alligator clipping two leads to the line, and popping the other ends of the leads into your mouth. The pattern of electric shocks across your tongue is the signal.
(Do not try this if you have metal fillings.)
8:48 "IS THAT A TF2 REFERENCE!???!?!?!!??"
I love how the British are accredited with breaking the enigma code in ww2 🤣🤣
I was taught in school (US, Massachusetts) that the Zimmerman telegraph was probably staged
Your school teacher was a master of understatement.
staged as in the whole thing was made up by the British?
2:17 why do those ships look like there fire nation vessels
That’s a U-Boot dude….
And that "small part" that Germany played in releasing Lenin contributed to that Austrian painter's rise.
The Treaty of Versailles played a way more important role than anything Lenin did
Weird - I was just thinking about the Zimmermann Telegram the other day (in part because I just watched the whole World War I prelude series).
I expect to hear about how Texas wasn’t lost by Mexico in the Mexican-American war in the Lies episode 😉
One-episode topics don't often get Lies episodes.
Another important consequence of this beginning the alliance between UK and USA is that UKs intelligence service trained the CIA because USA had no spy network or intelligence service to counter the KGB.
Interesting yada yada video. You forgot to mention that the Telegram was the only win condition left to the Central Powers. At the time of the telegram the US already had a regiment in Northern Mexico under the command of Pershing (Yes. The initial person in charge sent once war was declared) looking for Pancho Villa. The US was the major supplier for Britain so any disruption to that supply chain would be catastrophic. Also Mexican oil powered 90% Of the British Navy at the time which would also disrupt that.
Guess who's going to conduct an amateur research on involvement of USA in WW-1 after watching this video ☺️☺️📸