What feels really realistic about Luz and Hunter's mindsets in "Thanks to Them" is that it's full of projection. Luz doesn't really think her friends will hate her, but she currently hates _herself_ for what she did, and so she's projecting that onto them believing that they _should_ hate her. Hunter doesn't really think that everyone will turn on him, but he doesn't know who he is right now, and so he's projecting that the others will suddenly treat him like a stranger since that's how he feels to himself. It makes what might otherwise just be a dumb "miscommunication" trope feel real and earned.
"Luz reads too many enemies to lovers fanfictions" "Holy shit her enemies to lovers plan worked" You know Luz's browser history is filled with Azura/Hecatey fanfics. Who I imagine have a very subtexty xena and gabrielle type of thing going?
Yeah, and I would have loved some interaction between Vee and Hunter in particular. Both were artificially created by Belos, and both are trying to be allowed to literally just continue existing. I would have loved to see some stuff between them.
@@LittleHobbit13 you were comparing them, and the first thing I thought of when I thought about their similarities was their smarts. Especially because of the main comment we're replying under.
@@uniwolfgamer1094 Then you should work on your phrasing, because your wording makes it sound like you were refuting me saying one was smarter than the other, when intelligence wasn't even a point I touched on.
13:29 "and luz is like dont worry ive seen scooby doo a million times, separating from the group is always a good thing" my god you really cracked me up with that one SJKFBHJGH
When talking about the show to a friend I summarized the magic system and how Luz works within it by comparing it to dnd and saying "She is like a wizard in a world full of sorcerers"
I love that Vee is tracking Luz's phone 💚 She probalby heard so many wild stories from Camlia so being the sensible sister she did the best thing to keep the chaos child safe
I mean, there's not much to say about Vee, as adorable and lovable as she is, she was kind of just, there. The only important thing that was going on with her character in that episode was her and Masha. But that only got a minute of screentime.
Having sad Mickey Mouse over here reinforces my idea that Mickey is just an scapegoat for the Disney Execs,since apart from all the child abuse and murder,Canon Mickey would probably think The Owl House is kinda cool.
Something I'm struck by is that Amity and Luz kinda... flipped. Not 1 for 1 or anything. Luz isn't a mean rich girl stereotype, but she's DROWNING under the (imagined) expectations/judgement of others. Amity has thrown all that baggage in an incinerator and is the happy, optimistic one of the group now, even over Good Boy Gus.
One thing I did notice is that Luz was able to use hunter's staff to power magic, she was able to use hunter's jump ability when she held his staff. I suspect this means she will gain some ability to use magic when she gets her palisman. Edit I will also state that luz's Mom having a tracking app on her phone makes sense as she fears losing Luz again.
There is parentless narrative that plagues fantasy media and I love how toh pushes against this. We need more media that shows diverse and healthy relationships between adults and children, especially in children’s media.
3:44 I know this video’s about TOH but an interesting note on Adora’s selfless tendencies was the fact that her best friend Catra often hated when she did this due to the fact that while having good intentions, Adora would often go over Catra’s feelings & never stop to consider how her actions affected Catra (which included her condescension) & it wasn’t just her who was affected by this. Adora’s selflessness also lacked personal reasoning most of the time hence why Catra eventually asks her with such frustration “Why are you like this?!”
Fantastic analysis and summary. I enjoyed the references you made to other media, while also still focusing entirely on toh. Very well scripted and edited :3
Luz’s Palisman is 110% going to be a snake or I will eat my shoe. Reddit has convinced me there’s just to many subtle snake related Easter eggs. I can’t unsee the L in the logo as an upside down staff with the S in house as a snake.
While I don't think Belos will (or should) be redeemed but I think he has a solid chance of becoming a sorta ally of circumstance. He wants to go back to the boiling isles for a reason even though he knows the collector is free.
Frankly it might be a 50/50 of which one is the ally of convenience and for hunter' sake if nothing else i hope it's the collector over belos, because that's some shadow weaver lvl bs and she didn't even kill swift wind.
Er. He wants to go back to the Boiling Isles so he can finish killing all the witches. Did you miss the last words he said as he went through the portal? That doesn't make for a good ally.
Yeah He's been around for 360 years and has had a million and one chances to understand other views, understand other cultures and turn a new leaf He didn't and he won't
That's a good point about the adults. So many shows and even movies feel like maybe the creator must have had a lot of negative experiences or just relies on the old trope of adults sucking, but it's an outdated way of thinking/ writing in my opinion
"I'm not the first person to say how nesicary it is that Hunter meet Gus and Willow outside of Luz which... segway (*shows a picture of a Segway*)" I love this. Also ignore my typos I'm dyslexic.
I love the humor in this video WHAT, Thank you for 16 minutes of laughs oh my lord. Also, good points made. I too, feel very conflicted about the big event in s3 and I need happiness for Hunter like, so bad I cry
Not only is Belos (and Viren from Dragon Prince) irredeemable because they're evil and awful, but also because no matter what he will never believe he was in the wrong.
this was SUCH a good video i loved it!!! you did such a good job breaking down everyone's development over the series and then using that to interpret why thanks to them progressed as it did, it was awesome
Always thought if the friends was to hate Hunter or Luz I’ll say they would hate Luz cuz like Hunter only think they hate him for being born/ created he couldn’t really do anything to stop that from happening unlike Luz Lilith did try to tell her when helping Philip and seeing how she a nerd I’m pretty sure she knows about going into the past change / fuck up the future also belos would of never found the light glyph cuz Luz used her cracked phone to get the spell
"If I had seen more adult characters like these, I probably wouldn't have assumed life stopped once you hit 18." Hello, FBI? Yes, it seems like a UA-camr has been probing my life for content and I would like to make a report.
Difference is that RWBY involves the wider world of Remnant as we follow the journey to save it. Trope Talk put it best but Save The World plots can be Mainly tense when we’re attached to the world in question and not just a few main characters. Whatever one feels about the Battle of Haven, my issue was that we never got to know Mistral or Haven inside or out too properly. By comparison, we get plenty of Atlas and Mantle to care about them. A lot of that comes with Ironwood, the ACE-OPs and the Happy Huntresses representing facets of this area of Remnant. I can’t complain about “cast bloat” when it helps us care about the world that’s at risk.
the first one, Luz doesn't work as the protagonist she is the worst element of the series she only serves to be Amity's girlfriend. Luz only started to be better worked at the end of the series, Luz depressive is the best version of her is where the feelings will come sincerity she wants to be honest and doesn't lie as much as before, from the secondary group Gus and Willow didn't work for a long time due to her bad fist ep but in the second season they found their place in the series they shine. the rest of the series is well work and i only have praises
'Philip cancelled Caleb for wanting a piece of wussy' was like an auditory slap in the face, 11/10
Yeah, and now I can't call people wussies anymore without considering this esoteric new form of wussy.
Hey, Belos is racist against witches. Why don't we cancel him?
YES. I crashed under my table I couldn't handle how crazy of a ride this one phrase sounded
@@rootsnootthnute8598 what even was a wussy before this new definition
@@_marshP A coward, generally, or a weakling. You might call someone a wimp, a whelp, or a wuss/wussy, they all mean generally the same thing.
What feels really realistic about Luz and Hunter's mindsets in "Thanks to Them" is that it's full of projection. Luz doesn't really think her friends will hate her, but she currently hates _herself_ for what she did, and so she's projecting that onto them believing that they _should_ hate her. Hunter doesn't really think that everyone will turn on him, but he doesn't know who he is right now, and so he's projecting that the others will suddenly treat him like a stranger since that's how he feels to himself. It makes what might otherwise just be a dumb "miscommunication" trope feel real and earned.
I love how you put this!!
I really love their first scene together because of how it plays with this
"Luz reads too many enemies to lovers fanfictions" "Holy shit her enemies to lovers plan worked"
You know Luz's browser history is filled with Azura/Hecatey fanfics. Who I imagine have a very subtexty xena and gabrielle type of thing going?
Hecate*
@@LustrousCalamity Yeah I had no idea how to spell it.
Man I wish we got more of a Vee. But at least she’s well characterized as the brain cell of the group xD
Yeah, and I would have loved some interaction between Vee and Hunter in particular. Both were artificially created by Belos, and both are trying to be allowed to literally just continue existing. I would have loved to see some stuff between them.
@@LittleHobbit13 The fact they're both smart in their own ways tho-
@@uniwolfgamer1094 I mean yeah, but I wasn't talking about their intelligence?
@@LittleHobbit13 you were comparing them, and the first thing I thought of when I thought about their similarities was their smarts. Especially because of the main comment we're replying under.
@@uniwolfgamer1094 Then you should work on your phrasing, because your wording makes it sound like you were refuting me saying one was smarter than the other, when intelligence wasn't even a point I touched on.
"Luz comes out to her mom in comic sans" when I tell you I laughed...
Same !!
13:29 "and luz is like dont worry ive seen scooby doo a million times, separating from the group is always a good thing" my god you really cracked me up with that one SJKFBHJGH
When talking about the show to a friend I summarized the magic system and how Luz works within it by comparing it to dnd and saying "She is like a wizard in a world full of sorcerers"
I really liked that hunter buy one get one deal joke near the beginning. It cracked me up
I love that Vee is tracking Luz's phone 💚 She probalby heard so many wild stories from Camlia so being the sensible sister she did the best thing to keep the chaos child safe
Brilliant, thank you. My only critique is I wish you had put in a section about Vee, because what a perfect cinnamon roll.
I mean, there's not much to say about Vee, as adorable and lovable as she is, she was kind of just, there. The only important thing that was going on with her character in that episode was her and Masha. But that only got a minute of screentime.
Having sad Mickey Mouse over here reinforces my idea that Mickey is just an scapegoat for the Disney Execs,since apart from all the child abuse and murder,Canon Mickey would probably think The Owl House is kinda cool.
Wait you’re so right…
Someone make a comic of Mickey mouse protesting Disney!
12:03 “Luz comes out to her mom in Comic Sans” followed by “Amity officially cancels her own mom” -I almost choked on my water
the delivery of the line "flapjack fucking dies" had me in tears
i mean i was laughing, IM NOT SOBBING I SWEAR
Something I'm struck by is that Amity and Luz kinda... flipped. Not 1 for 1 or anything. Luz isn't a mean rich girl stereotype, but she's DROWNING under the (imagined) expectations/judgement of others. Amity has thrown all that baggage in an incinerator and is the happy, optimistic one of the group now, even over Good Boy Gus.
“Luz comes out to her mom in Comic Sans”. I didn’t realize that but when you said that I lost my mind!
The Ten Ten of Owl House? You did not disrespect my boy Gus like that lol Also I will never forgive the invention of Belass.
One thing I did notice is that Luz was able to use hunter's staff to power magic, she was able to use hunter's jump ability when she held his staff. I suspect this means she will gain some ability to use magic when she gets her palisman.
Edit I will also state that luz's Mom having a tracking app on her phone makes sense as she fears losing Luz again.
2:17 I believe this is called lamp shading in writing which can be really hard to pull off but owl house uses it masterfully
There is parentless narrative that plagues fantasy media and I love how toh pushes against this. We need more media that shows diverse and healthy relationships between adults and children, especially in children’s media.
3:44 I know this video’s about TOH but an interesting note on Adora’s selfless tendencies was the fact that her best friend Catra often hated when she did this due to the fact that while having good intentions, Adora would often go over Catra’s feelings & never stop to consider how her actions affected Catra (which included her condescension) & it wasn’t just her who was affected by this. Adora’s selflessness also lacked personal reasoning most of the time hence why Catra eventually asks her with such frustration “Why are you like this?!”
Fantastic analysis and summary. I enjoyed the references you made to other media, while also still focusing entirely on toh. Very well scripted and edited :3
Omg an editing/scripting compliment… you made my day 🥺💙
Luz’s Palisman is 110% going to be a snake or I will eat my shoe. Reddit has convinced me there’s just to many subtle snake related Easter eggs. I can’t unsee the L in the logo as an upside down staff with the S in house as a snake.
I just realised that most likely for the other two specials they will be wearing their Halloween costumes, while fighting belos/collector
While I don't think Belos will (or should) be redeemed but I think he has a solid chance of becoming a sorta ally of circumstance.
He wants to go back to the boiling isles for a reason even though he knows the collector is free.
Frankly it might be a 50/50 of which one is the ally of convenience and for hunter' sake if nothing else i hope it's the collector over belos, because that's some shadow weaver lvl bs and she didn't even kill swift wind.
Er. He wants to go back to the Boiling Isles so he can finish killing all the witches. Did you miss the last words he said as he went through the portal? That doesn't make for a good ally.
Yeah
He's been around for 360 years and has had a million and one chances to understand other views, understand other cultures and turn a new leaf
He didn't and he won't
I think he will try to possess the collector
10:19 amazing delivery...
also please breathe
That's a good point about the adults. So many shows and even movies feel like maybe the creator must have had a lot of negative experiences or just relies on the old trope of adults sucking, but it's an outdated way of thinking/ writing in my opinion
"I'm not the first person to say how nesicary it is that Hunter meet Gus and Willow outside of Luz which... segway (*shows a picture of a Segway*)" I love this. Also ignore my typos I'm dyslexic.
I love the humor in this video WHAT, Thank you for 16 minutes of laughs oh my lord. Also, good points made. I too, feel very conflicted about the big event in s3 and I need happiness for Hunter like, so bad I cry
Love your videos
I am so happy it finally came out
He put the evil goop on his wound
Maybe they just went to the boiling isles to buy more cars?
"In which Luz comes out to her mum in Comic Sans" I'm a technical writer and love typography so this made me laugh. You're so witty btw
Awesome video!! Love what you have to say about the characters & funny commentary:)
Not only is Belos (and Viren from Dragon Prince) irredeemable because they're evil and awful, but also because no matter what he will never believe he was in the wrong.
this was SUCH a good video i loved it!!! you did such a good job breaking down everyone's development over the series and then using that to interpret why thanks to them progressed as it did, it was awesome
Always thought if the friends was to hate Hunter or Luz I’ll say they would hate Luz cuz like Hunter only think they hate him for being born/ created he couldn’t really do anything to stop that from happening unlike Luz Lilith did try to tell her when helping Philip and seeing how she a nerd I’m pretty sure she knows about going into the past change / fuck up the future also belos would of never found the light glyph cuz Luz used her cracked phone to get the spell
Why does everyone forget that Masha originally appeared in Season 2😭😭
This is true. I immediately forgot the second s3 started 😂
Wish you talked more about Luz and amity as awesome couple
Yeah, Phillip was jealous that Caleb got a girlfriend before him
I want to see Mama Luz and Mama Eda teaming up
Mama Luz?
I vote for a snake palisman
You are hilarious
Can’t Luz do magic with a staff?
this is such a good video omg
there is no way the palisman will be anything other than a snake
Now that everyone is saying this i feel like it’s obvious 😭 Snakes are cool though
U made me watch rwby bruh ty
I talk smack on it but at the end of the day I look forward to each new season!
@@tallswordlady6642 i look forward to to watch ALL THE 8 SEASONS
This was an amazing video
Agree
Is it me or did Belos do the pale king move (only hollow knight fans will understand) 💀
banger video
3:39 why would anyone hate you for this?? I don’t get it
Not actually! I just mention SPOP in every video even if it’s not about SPOP😭
8:24
"If I had seen more adult characters like these, I probably wouldn't have assumed life stopped once you hit 18."
Hello, FBI? Yes, it seems like a UA-camr has been probing my life for content and I would like to make a report.
Difference is that RWBY involves the wider world of Remnant as we follow the journey to save it. Trope Talk put it best but Save The World plots can be Mainly tense when we’re attached to the world in question and not just a few main characters.
Whatever one feels about the Battle of Haven, my issue was that we never got to know Mistral or Haven inside or out too properly. By comparison, we get plenty of Atlas and Mantle to care about them. A lot of that comes with Ironwood, the ACE-OPs and the Happy Huntresses representing facets of this area of Remnant.
I can’t complain about “cast bloat” when it helps us care about the world that’s at risk.
.
the first one, Luz doesn't work as the protagonist she is the worst element of the series she only serves to be Amity's girlfriend. Luz only started to be better worked at the end of the series, Luz depressive is the best version of her is where the feelings will come sincerity she wants to be honest and doesn't lie as much as before, from the secondary group Gus and Willow didn't work for a long time due to her bad fist ep but in the second season they found their place in the series they shine. the rest of the series is well work and i only have praises
But Luz workes as well protagonist before she became Amity girlfriend. Did you overslept over the season one?