The FIRST Golden Guard & Luzura Theories! | The Owl House 'Thanks to Them' Breakdown Pt. 1 Explained

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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
  • Part one of The Owl House season 3 finale is here & there's so much to breakdown! In this first breakdown we're going to talk Manny & Camilla Noceda raising Luz, it's contrast to the Wittebanes and then a handful of theories including the very first golden guard, Luz's Palismen, and Luzura's confirmation!
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  • @bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119
    @bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119 Рік тому +301

    I cried realizing that her mom had supported her all along it was outside influences that wanted her to make her daughter change when really she loved her daughter for who she was because she was that same weird kid.

    • @roserott
      @roserott Рік тому +19

      god, i could write an essay about camila and how she was wrongly accused of abuse. its not abuse, tbh, so much as it is her being a victim of social control. its sad esp when this same scenario happens a Lot, esp with poc.

    • @rafaelgiovannibatistaduran5709
      @rafaelgiovannibatistaduran5709 Рік тому +7

      I hope that Camila meets Eda and King and the others in second special

    • @urphakeandgey6308
      @urphakeandgey6308 Рік тому +2

      This was probably one of my favorite revelations from the new episode. Even without these details, I wouldn't really classify it as "abuse," but it was nice to see a whole new dimension to Camila.

    • @garrettjackson1451
      @garrettjackson1451 Рік тому +1

      I blame the Gravesfield school system since they didn’t have any true ways to help her succeed

  • @bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119
    @bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119 Рік тому +567

    In a discord server someone had an interesting theory about Camilla. In Camila’s nightmare, her dream was being filled with water. They said that Manny died in something water related. They believe this because of the fact because of how quick Camilla was to act and save Hunter, even before Luz. Plus the fact that she sounded so determined as she said “Move.” It’s an interesting theory that Camilla acted so quick to save Hunter because she couldn’t save her husband in the past. If this turned out to be true then holy shit the grief and guilt Camilla must’ve felt.

    • @NerveUnderscore
      @NerveUnderscore Рік тому +48

      When you love someone, you don't hesitate to dive in the water :"D

    • @autumngalix4616
      @autumngalix4616 Рік тому +115

      Yeah but that's ignoring Luz's comment "Mom said were moving because the house looks nicer, but I think it's because there's a better hospital for dad nearby"
      He died of an illness.

    • @bobthebacon3163
      @bobthebacon3163 Рік тому +40

      @@autumngalix4616 Nowhere stated that he died of an Illness, and that it could be that he had a lung problem after almost drowning?

    • @OriasRofocale
      @OriasRofocale Рік тому +104

      @@bobthebacon3163 I mean, I doubt it. That's not usually what happens after a near drowning. Manny dying of cancer works a lot better, and is more relatable to the target audience (I have know multiple kids who lost a parent to cancer even growing up). The water in the nightmare was most likely metaphoric... Camilla feeling "underwater" in her life. She is the one drowning from the stress of raising a daughter on her own after losing her husband. That's an extremely common metaphor for that situation.

    • @WeirdoJimbo
      @WeirdoJimbo Рік тому +3

      wuts the discord

  • @Thesleepytimes
    @Thesleepytimes Рік тому +739

    The existence of the Manny cosplay box implies the existence of a Camila cosplay box

  • @bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119
    @bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119 Рік тому +215

    I just realized that in the hayride presentation, it showed Caleb had that blue jacket. That means after Phillip... got rid of Caleb, he took his jacket! Damn Phillip you're ruthless! 😳

    • @NerveUnderscore
      @NerveUnderscore Рік тому +17

      Or... he really wanted something os his brother? For... the spite? IDK

    • @martian99arrival
      @martian99arrival Рік тому +15

      Honestly, there's always some new horror related to Belos 😬

    • @ruthcload7727
      @ruthcload7727 Рік тому +31

      The true motive of Caleb's murder. A mighty fine jacket. Phillip is a true monster.

    • @br2147
      @br2147 Рік тому +24

      @@ruthcload7727 only for luz to insult his drip in kings tide

    • @ruthcload7727
      @ruthcload7727 Рік тому +23

      @@br2147 Yep. Also thinking about it when Hunter saw Caleb's face in the mirror (S3 Ep1), Caleb wasn't wearing the blue coat. He's haunting people over the injustice of having his coat stolen.

  • @lilydunnle8393
    @lilydunnle8393 Рік тому +58

    I am seeing no one talking about Hunters eye color switch from pink to brown after Flapjack heals him?? It means Hunter is potentially human/witch now! He can do all the things he wanted to do!

    • @15_heidune72
      @15_heidune72 Рік тому +8

      I noticed. Still don't know what that means.
      Reboot asap and move to cartoon nickelodeon

    • @Owhousefan402
      @Owhousefan402 6 місяців тому

      @@15_heidune72it’s like a mixing of flapjack and hunters eye colors

  • @bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119
    @bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119 Рік тому +283

    I had a feeling that Flapjack's death was going to happen, but it still hurts. Like I said, this needed to happen for Hunter to completely break free of Belos' influence. Flapjack bound himself with Hunter’s heart. His soul is now one with Hunter’s.
    I’m hoping Hunter can now do the teleport thing as a sign that Flapjack is a part of him. Please make this happen, Dana! 🥺🙏

    • @dadams106
      @dadams106 Рік тому +28

      yeah, I'm hoping Hunter has some small form if any magic, the teleport trick would be an amazing way to show they are one.

    • @ThatCosmohoganyMelon
      @ThatCosmohoganyMelon Рік тому +6

      I wanna see Hunter use Chaos Control!!!!!

    • @TheYeetedMeat
      @TheYeetedMeat Рік тому +13

      @@ThatCosmohoganyMelon I wanna see hunter have a gun as his neutral special

    • @ruthcload7727
      @ruthcload7727 Рік тому +10

      @@dadams106 That would be cool. I've seen lots of theoys that Hunter will have full magic after Flapjacks sacrifice but I much prefer your idea of him still having his unique yellow teleporting magic instead of learning wild or a covens magic.

    • @chavitacarranza
      @chavitacarranza Рік тому

      Chainsaw man style ilikeit

  • @danmur15
    @danmur15 Рік тому +49

    1:30 i feel like the earlier hate on Camilla was more because of a lack of info rather than because we saw her made like, a singular bad decision. The fact that they fleshed her out so much in the little time they had was honestly more than we could have hoped for.

  • @theluigifan1
    @theluigifan1 Рік тому +50

    Luz’s little Mario shirt from when she was first showing off her Azura book in her video diary was so cute because I have a Mario shirt just like it
    Love seeing the little things that show off how much of a nerd she’s always been 🙂

  • @avch1209
    @avch1209 Рік тому +185

    Luz's mom went with her to the boiling islands
    The only thing missing is that in the end she is the one who saves both worlds and destroys the last piece of Belos by stepping on it, everyone on the islands finds out and congratulates her. They congratulate her so much that they want to make her their new queen/empress and and Luz becomes another Disney princess

    • @bunnyconcubus8468
      @bunnyconcubus8468 Рік тому +27

      Nice sweet ending, coulda worked in any other series, but owlhouse is more or less grounded in reality and Luz's mom is a nurse. There's no way she can rule over the boiling ilse's plus I'm pretty sure that there are laws in place to decide the next ruler once the current one dies

    • @qs-ii1872
      @qs-ii1872 Рік тому +14

      @@bunnyconcubus8468 She can handle being a mom of 6 magical children, I think she can hire new guards and whatnot to take on that role. She's could do it.

    • @bunnyconcubus8468
      @bunnyconcubus8468 Рік тому +11

      @@qs-ii1872 Yeah, but she's not fit to rule over thousands of people whose lives she has no way to begin to fathom how they operate or what to do to improve them since she has no training in magic or magical creatures.
      Besides there is a reason why in our world some chum that care alot doesn't become a ruler of any country, cuz they don't have the forte for it

    • @autumngalix4616
      @autumngalix4616 Рік тому +14

      If anything, it's Eda who's gonna take over the Boiling Isles, then she says "Ew, responsibility" and Lilith takes her place. Honestly anybody but King please.

    • @stormy.wholesome.moments
      @stormy.wholesome.moments Рік тому

      Stolen comment from another video

  • @space.404
    @space.404 Рік тому +74

    I love the fact that the first thing you brought up was Camila's story, I know its easy to overlook what she has done for the series with all that has been going on with the major characters, so thank you, her dream scene had me tearing up!
    Also, regarding the last theory, I've always been on board with the "Luz is Azura" theory since the concept of time travel had been introduced, and I fully wanna see it unfold ✨️

    • @monomonito929
      @monomonito929 Рік тому

      but if luz is azura does that mean that amity dies?🥺

  • @SkittzelzStudios
    @SkittzelzStudios Рік тому +6

    What they did with Camila’s story was so important in my opinion. I’ve never seen a kids show go this in depth about the dynamics between parent and child. If I saw this when I was a kid I feel like it would have changed the way I saw my parents entirely. They humanize her, and it shows the audience that parents can and do make mistakes, but that doesn’t always mean that they’re against you. I hope it’s addressed more at some point in the ending. Seeing clear communication between them after all of this building would feel so worth it.

  • @ccherry.berryy
    @ccherry.berryy Рік тому +58

    3:33 AND THATS WHY SHE GOES SO CRAZY AT HALLOWEEN AWEEE cuz the guys who gave her the flyer knew her for her elaborate costumes, which is sad to see that she was so out of it when it came to something we didn’t even see but hear she was so fond of.
    Which like I understand how getting them home should be her top priority but in any other circumstance she definitely would have lead the charge to go as Heckity and Azura with Amity

  • @avch1209
    @avch1209 Рік тому +58

    Flapjack sacrifices himself to save Hunter.
    Hunter: now he's part of me…I don't know if that's good or bad…someone else suddenly had a craving for some worms?

  • @qs-ii1872
    @qs-ii1872 Рік тому +26

    I think the emperor's coven theme is directly linked to Gravesfield, granted that the crest is literally on Hunter's Golden Guard uniform. Making the emperor's coven almost a personal army against the witches and demons of the isles, in a sense making him a "Witch hunting general".
    Caleb might've been the creator of some mask that would later be reused as the golden guards, then again we can't really confirm that with the info we have atm. If so, he'd likely use it to play a guardian role to his little brother or used it when the two of them played together.
    I see the Owl deity as something connected to Evelyn directly. Granted that Dell Clawthorn made the house, it's likely that the deity was worshiped by the Clawthorns or at least acts as a family crest of sorts. A being that came from the stars, much like the Titan seemed to as depicted in murals, could play a role in stopping the Collector.
    I think Evelyn was the one who built the original towner behind the Owl House and that hooty was a part of it long before Eda or Dell came around. Specifically, I doubt he's a "bug demon" like he claims to be since his likeness has been seen in Eda's fighting, clearly taking on a wooden appearance. Leading me to believe that Hooty was made by Evelyn(?) and potentially linked to the Owl deity featured in the same house that exists within.
    So yes, I believe Hooty is low-key the new god of the Boiling Isles and that only Hootsifer has the right to take on the title of Emperor. After all, magic is running out and we'll need some celestial being to bring that cosmic power back down to the children of the Titan.
    I mean, have you looked at Hooty, he's infinite, can remove his skin, and can seemingly organize and bring forth whatever things he's eaten. King Just hatched, he's not ready to rule just yet. Not sure if Hooty is ready for that sort of commitment, so hopefully whoever takes up power spreads it out quite a bit. (I'd vote Raine for president, just saying.)

    • @madamplatypus313
      @madamplatypus313 Рік тому +4

      Concept: Hooty, Raine, and various others rule as a regent council until King is old enough (and probably stay to help when he is, bring some democracy to the Boiling Isles).

  • @MrHappymanx
    @MrHappymanx Рік тому +14

    Camilla and Vee were the unexpected stand outs of this episode, Camilla actively wanting to go to the Demon Realm to help Luz and her temporary adopted children was so shocking to me. Learning about the book had me crying so much, and Vee's new look is soo good, it was so nice to see her embrace a look she can be proud off. Phenomenal episode and I am so excited for what's to come. I'm just so sad there is only 2 episodes left to go, cancelled to soon.

  • @Elantra2_0
    @Elantra2_0 Рік тому +29

    I literally can’t wait for an Eda and Camila interaction!

  • @caitlinowens0622
    @caitlinowens0622 Рік тому +21

    I called it! I knew that the whole Possessed Hunter plot line would be in this special’s climax!

    • @WhitneyVision
      @WhitneyVision  Рік тому +4

      Omg yesssss great call!!!!

    • @clayharris7740
      @clayharris7740 Рік тому

      @@WhitneyVision hey WhitneyVision did you know that Luz's father's name in 2:05 was Manny and there is a lovable goofy courageous and grumpy woolly mammoth in Blue Sky Studios Ice Age named you guessed it Manny you should do that in the Easter egg video and you should look up Manny's and Luz's backstorys and symbolism with each other and do The Owl House and Amphibia and The Ice Age franchise videos and theories

  • @AJ-xc4qe
    @AJ-xc4qe Рік тому +24

    Disney Channel has had a helluva weekend, haven't they? The 100th episode of Raven's Home, multiple episodes of Villains and Violet on Disney Plus with huge storyline developments AND the first out of three Owl House specials! I definitely know that this season shortage is gonna inspire even more fanfic that takes place on Earth!

  • @RodolfoPimenta1998
    @RodolfoPimenta1998 Рік тому +6

    4:10 having lost both my parents I started sobbing hard on that part. God damnit

  • @brycejohnson6234
    @brycejohnson6234 Рік тому +21

    Great video as always, Whit! The level of detail and character development the TOH crew managed to fit into this episode is just amazing. Can’t wait for the second half of your breakdown!

    • @WhitneyVision
      @WhitneyVision  Рік тому +2

      Thank you!!! ❤

    • @brycejohnson6234
      @brycejohnson6234 Рік тому +1

      You’re welcome! You and your crew do such a great job. 👍

    • @WhitneyVision
      @WhitneyVision  Рік тому +2

      It’s just me & Brett & Puggy, so it means a lot!!! We really appreciate the support.

    • @brycejohnson6234
      @brycejohnson6234 Рік тому +1

      No problem! Also, speaking of Pugsly, have you seen “Dead End: Paranormal Park” yet? I feel like you and Brett would be all over that show.

    • @rafaelgiovannibatistaduran5709
      @rafaelgiovannibatistaduran5709 Рік тому

      I hope they meets face an face in second special

  • @CMR324
    @CMR324 Рік тому +9

    My thoughts on the first The Owl House Special Thanks to Them, I love this first episode, and I am impressed with all the work Dana Terrace and her writing team put into this episode despite their limited time and how it works to make a satisfying episode. It is a testament to Dina Terrence and her writing team's skills in them putting so much of their previous storyline into this episode and seeing it naturally progress without it being rushed and feeling unnatural.
    I'm going to be real as much as I love this episode; I am disappointed that we did not get a third season to explore so much more of this world and the characters.
    So much interaction Camila could've had with the Luz friends (the Hexsquad), especially Amity and Hunter, though her relationship with the other teens is just as meaningful. Amity's mother sucked, and that's the nicest I can say about her, and Hunter never had any family other than his horrible uncle; again, that's the nicest I can describe his uncle. Camila could've been the mother figure they both needed in their lives, especially with Amity dating her daughter; seeing how serious Luz and Amity's relationship is, Amity could practically be family already. The time passes montage where we see the Hexsquad experience the human world could've been the first half of the season. Again it's a testament to the writing team's skill that they were able to fit the time passes montage that allowed us to see the witch teens experienced the human world for a bit.
    Luz Noceda coming back to her old school could've been an interesting idea. I recognize some of the side characters in her class from the first episode flashback of why she got into trouble. It could've been interesting seeing her relationship with her old classmates, especially with the fact that Vee had been impersonating her. And there are those two classmates that approached her; I love them, two new students that actually liked and accepted Luz, and there the fact that they are to first human teens to accept her as who she is. Tragically, we're likely never gonna see those teens again; I would've loved for them to become Luz friends.
    On Jacob Hopkins's appearance and fate, fans suspected that he would team up with Emperor Belos. As much as I would've loved to see that, I see Jacob Hopkins's fate being reduced to conspiracy theories no one believes and his ego costing him his job as a perfect punishment. Jacob Hopkin Being also reduced to a nuisance is also a perfect way to send off that character since this is someone who has so much pride in himself.
    But as much as that sucks, I'm going to enjoy the three specials we got and try not to be bitter, except at the people who shorten this season.
    Now onto the stuff, we got that I'd love.
    I love what they did with Camila Noceda. A minor group of the fandom believes that she's a bad parent. I never saw it; in the first episode, she was genuinely concerned about how Luz's behavior was both getting her into trouble and keeping her from making friends. Camila's concern for her daughter was the one that was only legitimate; she never judged her daughter or harshly told her that she needed to be normal. Instead, Camilla told Luz that while she loves her daughter's creativity, it's just getting out of hand. Camilla also said that while she loves how her daughter expressed herself, but if she can't separate fantasy from reality, she'll need to go to reality check summer camp. Later, when Camila was talking to Luz about going to camp, she pointed out that her fantasy world was holding her back and that if she had any friends, and the camp was an opportunity to make new friends. In Camila's next major appearance, she showed concern when Vee, disguised as her daughter Luz was throwing away Luz's favorite things. That shows that Camila was not against her daughter's interest or weird behavior; she just wanted her daughter to tone it down. I remember how Camila reacted when she learned the truth. Camila admitted to her daughter that she was barely holding it together, though she admits that she's happy that it appears Luz has matured. But when Luz let it slip that she chose to stay in another world, shock Camila asked if Luz was trying to live out a witch fantasy but then asked if her daughter hated living with her that much. Camila asked her daughter to promise her to stay here, telling Luz that she did not mean to drive her away and things would be different. That shows that while Camila was understandably shocked and angry, she blamed herself and wanted to fix her behavior so she would not lose her daughter.
    This all comes to a head in this episode. This episode reveals that Camila was actually very accepting of her daughter Luz's eccentric behavior and was truly proud and amused by her personality quirks and weird behavior. A lot of parents from animated shows and movies (I'd rather not name them) can learn a lot from Camila about being a good parent. Camila was so open-minded that she was not even concerned or embarrassed by Luz's behavior. I admit it if I was in Camila's place; I would've been a little concerned if my daughter had dug up snakeskin or used meat sausages for a Romeo and Juliet play. But then I realize Luz is not actually hurting herself or anyone. Despite my concerns, I was heartbroken and outraged by how those parents judged Camila and Luz. That scene with Camilla's principal was interesting; we learned that she was also bullied in high school, Luz's behavior is partly dealing with her grief for her father's death, and Camila was pressured into sending her to reality check camp. It's very clear that Camilla has nothing but concern and love for her daughter Luz. Camilla wants to protect her daughter Luz because she lost her husband, and it is deeply implied that she went through the things Luz is going through and that she was also an outcast with no friends. And Camila hopes by sending Luz to camp, she can have a better life and hopefully make some friends.
    And on the other things, I heard someone say that Principal Hal manipulated Camila into sending Luz to Reality Check Camp. I don't believe that; from what I saw in the first episode, I think he really did have good intentions, and if you look at it from his point of view, he was easy on Luz, he could've easily expelled her, and I believe his concerns were valid. Unfortunately, he unintentionally put too much pressure on Camilla, and since she was criticized by other parents before, she unintentionally bought old wounds from her.
    Learning the backstory of Philip and his brother Caleb was great. It was interesting to learn that they were both orphans and to fit into their new town, they both became witch hunters. I already guessed that Caleb was the older brother from seeing the pictures in Phillips's mind. Learning that Philip was indoctrinated into being a rich hunter at a young age to fit in with the rest of the town adds another layer of tragedy to the story, so Philip is not a sympathetic character and has lost whatever humidity he has.
    The battle with Emperor Belos was amazing, and the death of Flapjack was heartbroken. I'm glad that Camilla is coming with the kids, and it's implied that she is going to accept The Boiling Isles as a part of Luz's life.
    I think that Emperor Belos coming back to The Boiling Isles shows how delusional he is. Emperor Belos already used his best plan and failed, and it's unlikely he had a plan to defeat The Collector. I think Emperor Belos will likely die in the second special, and The Collector will be the main villain.

    • @kalifogg6610
      @kalifogg6610 Рік тому

      Legal action might have been threatened as Luz had at least one firework and intended to set it off in the schoolroom. Also in Connecticut it’s illegal for anyone that isn’t a licensed professional to buy fireworks and fireworks must be used in supervised settings with a fire marshal.
      Sparklers and Fountains are okay though.
      So Camila might have felt she had no choice as it was either the Camp or Luz would face legal repercussions for possessing a firework and intending to light it in a building and because Luz is a minority odds are high that she would be treated worse than if she was White.

  • @OriasRofocale
    @OriasRofocale Рік тому +6

    I wonder if Luz's snake palisman will be winged? The egg does look like a coiled snake, as you said, with an eye, but there are large chunks of it that don't follow an exact coil, but they could unfurl into wings. Also that would nod to the bird motif and also just be additionally kick ass.
    A time loop would be a bit sad, though, because they would never get to progress from that point, and potentially be cut off from the others? I remember Mighty Max ended with a time loop, though, so I have seen that before. Oh man, just imagine if the owlbeast's memory of being captured by the Collector was all part of the Owl House game... and Eda has been fighting with a part of herself the whole time... maybe she just went feral in that moment, which was how she failed to recognize it earlier.

  • @purpleduckybryn
    @purpleduckybryn Рік тому +2

    I think that Flapjack WAS Caleb’s palisman, but was carved by Evelyn as a gift to him. When Masha said Caleb was “lured” to the Boiling Isles, they showed Evelyn’s hand holding Flapjack. Maybe Flapjack was carved by Evelyn but given to Caleb to lure him in?

  • @emeraldqueen1994
    @emeraldqueen1994 Рік тому +7

    Not only is Camelia’s heart MASSIVE it’s also solid gold!

  • @FitzIsBetterThanYou
    @FitzIsBetterThanYou Рік тому +4

    i feel like Belos said "Goodbye Evelyn" because Flapjack was all that was left of Evelyn, not Evelyn herself

  • @Shifting_sparrow
    @Shifting_sparrow Рік тому +2

    Imagine near the end of TOH you see luz wake up in the hospital in the real world "AMITY?! EDA?..where am I??" Luz says close to panic
    The doctors go "shh calm down you're safe..that snake you brought into school bit you.. you're lucky you survived"

    • @lxlXilorihorislxl
      @lxlXilorihorislxl Рік тому +2

      Dang, her imagination really brought out Hunter's sad life in such details :^

  • @andapandacongufanda
    @andapandacongufanda Рік тому +9

    Omg one of the reasons I love this show is cuz finally at 27 I have camila and luz as Dominican Puerto Rican representation and camilas shopping list is like staple Caribbean food and omg amazing they liked yuca and pernil lol

  • @hannahrisken7183
    @hannahrisken7183 Рік тому +2

    People pointed out that Belo is most likely left handed but got punished for it. He switches from using his left and right hand.
    In Amphibia there is an owl/cat like God at the end and we see a lot of Amphibias references in the owl house.
    My time travel theory is that Luz and Amity are going to write the books. There was a joke about grammar, another about the weird nich writing style, and the fact that Amity didn't have the last book which made Luz lend hers out.

  • @mikechicago6200
    @mikechicago6200 Рік тому +6

    man so excited for Halloween and also i would've like the specials to last more!! Willuz is my favorite ans Camilla is a good mama

  • @idkp4632
    @idkp4632 Рік тому +3

    Id like to think why flapjack is named flapjack is because caleb introduced the flapjack food to evalyn and liked it so much she named the bird flapjack

  • @MrJesse4792
    @MrJesse4792 Рік тому +10

    Now don't get me wrong the time loop in Somewhere and Elsewhere works great because it a "small' time loop in that Luz meets Philip and sends him on his journey to becoming Belos by helping him meet the Collector, with the finale time pool theory it just too much of a loop scenario in which every decision the character make is pre-destiny which goes against the message Eda says in the second episode in which if everyone always waited on a chosen one then we always be waiting and I think the time loop currently doesn't hinder that message too much but if the time loop that you theorized in the video were to come true the it undercut the we make our own paths message the show was trying to make.

  • @Quackenspiel
    @Quackenspiel Рік тому +4

    Well shit you've got me emotional over this beautiful episode all over again. Excellent video as always

  • @Rhysbarret
    @Rhysbarret Рік тому +3

    I always felt like amphibia spent too long in the human realm and not enough time with sasha and the rebels so I’m glad owl house only spent one in the human realm

  • @kegorator1
    @kegorator1 Рік тому +2

    The worst part of this episode was watching all the plot points that should have had an entire episode dedicated to them.
    The change of V. Her potential love interest.
    The nerding out of hunter and Camilla.
    Amidy not understanding how the human world works...
    It feels like an entire season of plot points was squeezed into this one episode. They did an AMAZING job doing it.
    But it is sad to see what could have been.

  • @amitysluzara2022
    @amitysluzara2022 Рік тому +3

    This episode was insane 🤯
    A while back I was thinking what if Caleb was the first Golden Guard but I couldn't make that theory work so the fact that this may actually be happening is mindblowing

  • @jopinto3672
    @jopinto3672 Рік тому

    the way i gasped at the owl house logo part WHAT THE HELL!! i need to watch that roundtable video, thanks for the rec >:) this video was fascinating, i still don't quite believe in the azura is luz theory but i think its mostly because that level of paradoxes makes my skin crawl, its so eerie!! T_T i do love your breakdown on the rebirth theme, how that comes into play in luz's palisman being a snake, and when you said that if luz is azura then luz's dad got to read about her adventures before he passed... that's insane and so beautiful and tragic it honestly makes me quite emotional just thinking about it. amazing video, it's so well planned and everything you said was falling into place as the video progressed, great work!

  • @technyx8638
    @technyx8638 Рік тому

    the fact that this entire video made me feel emotional- its just so amazing. it fits perfectly.

  • @lewilbur
    @lewilbur Рік тому +3

    I know in my soul that Luz and Amity wrote the Azura books together! AND that they use the time pools to indirectly give them to their past selves. It would be soooo cute and cool if it were true!

  • @FallenA-hr9lb
    @FallenA-hr9lb Рік тому +3

    At 7:30 she also doesn’t dye her hair as well you can see that she is rocking the grew streak as well

  • @labadf
    @labadf Рік тому

    I agree with so many things you said on the video! I've seen other youtubers mention that maybe Camila was the fan of Cosmic Frontier, ignoring the fact that those boxes had his name on them. Also about Flapjack being Evelyn's palisman.

  • @jessbian3385
    @jessbian3385 Рік тому +2

    This video was absolutely stellar with the theories, especially with the symbolism of the Ouroboros.
    Until.. the azura theory. The Owl House has shown time and time again that TGWA is a hyper-foil to the Boiling Isles, used as a way to present roles and expectations to Luz that the BI doesn’t adhere to. Especially after ‘Any Sport in a Storm’ essentially laughed at its audience in the B plot for theorizing about Azura’s relevance to the plot, I don’t understand why UA-cam Theorists are so dead set on continuing to assume it will play any role.
    Luz dawning the Azura fit as she re-enters the Demon Realm is of symbolic importance. After the months of shame and guilt, Luz enters the Demon Realm once again embracing herself for who she is. If Luz simply turns out to be the good witch Azura, that would retroactively spoil most of the show for its themes of anti-fantasy and breaking expectations, the majority of S1’s themes, and would do so much damage to the shows cohesive tone and themes that it would come within inches of ruining the show, if not just ruining it full stop.

    • @Stargazer_Ley
      @Stargazer_Ley Рік тому

      It would also make her a chosen one through plot necessity and Luz isn't a chosen one. She's the one who fought back. She's just the one who happened to be there. She helped Philip because that's who she is and as Hunter said, anyone else could have been tricked into helping him. Luz isn't special and that's the point. Making her a legendary figure in a time loop makes her special. Luz is just a girl who wants to help people and be a hero, but she's a ordinary person.

  • @akiraocto9205
    @akiraocto9205 Рік тому

    15:20 Camilla also has a plush toy of a snake in her bag at her feet, presumably Luz's! She's always had an active love for them it seems

  • @williehughes1690
    @williehughes1690 Рік тому +1

    Nice job pointing out the Oriborous symbolism.

  • @physics_hacker
    @physics_hacker Рік тому

    This video has actually pointed out a lot of parallels between Luz and I that I hadn't fully realized. Thank you.

  • @bantershrimp5488
    @bantershrimp5488 Рік тому

    Guys, do you remember in season 2A how there was an anargram? well there's one in season 2B, it says: 'Fear the lock' which put together with season 2A makes 'seek the key, fear the lock.' and in season 1 it says: 'a witch loses at rueway' (rueway meaning regret) which could be in refrence to belos or lilith in season one, one of them losing to their regret.

  • @aname3941
    @aname3941 Рік тому

    when i first saw the episode i saw camilars freak to her old nerd stuff as another step hint of denial and carpmentalinsing, those memory's have her in pain, and she doesn't even want to acknowledge them

  • @SlightyLessEvolved
    @SlightyLessEvolved Рік тому

    The Owl House drawing influence from (and in several cases, parodying) Harry Potter is another reason why Luz having a snake as her palisman would make sense, since it turns the "evil snake" trope on its head. This also gels with Luz's 'sister' Vee being a basilisk. There isn't much precedent in mythology (as far as I know) of basilisks being shapeshifters, but they do have a strong connection to Slytherin in HP; since Vee needed to be a shapeshifter for story reasons, establishing the idea that "basilisk = shapeshifter" in S1 may have been a way to make that all work.

  • @forrestlemonds5968
    @forrestlemonds5968 Рік тому

    Also, I really like vee's like at the end of the episode."shoot. Camila still has the car keys." Hahaha funny

  • @friendsfamilyandpaws7539
    @friendsfamilyandpaws7539 Рік тому +1

    One thing I think lots of people miss is that the boiling isles is probably not kings father. Why? Because…
    1. When we saw the flash back of king in his egg he looked as if he wasn’t far off from being born as he had developed most if not all his senses along with the fact that eda found king when he looked like he had recently hatched. And if your thinking “ what about the statues he made?”. Well we also know that a day on the boiling isles is very similar or the same time for earth as we see that proof when luz meets vee. So in theory he had hardly anything to do with would let him be able to build up to 50 a day or more. So that rules time line out.
    2. If it is kings dad, how come he had died before he was even born. Because we know as a fact that the titan was dead with his skeleton showing in the dead warden era. Plus if that wasent so then how come the titans body today has decomposed most of its skin etc. for a titan that big it’s hard to imagine it decomposed that quickly.
    3. If it really isn’t kings dad then where is he…

  • @soupdujour4086
    @soupdujour4086 Рік тому +1

    Just noticed in the Hollow mind episode Caleb is shown to be the one to have carved Philips creepy deer mask (almost definitely out of palistrom wood) which he then uses to absorb magic. Also right before "kid belos" transforms there's a memory that's very hard to see showing him absorbing an owl palisman.

  • @giuseppedalessandro2897
    @giuseppedalessandro2897 Рік тому

    The staff of Asclepius also symbolizes medicine, curative magic.
    If i recall correctly when stealing the emperor's artifact in "agony of a witch" Gus and Willow took items related to their respective magic (illusions and plants) but Luz (even if out of necessity) took the healing hat.
    A snake is also deeply associated with human witchcraft and the temptation towards it (Luz going in a realm of demon to do something not accepted in the current society).
    Although i am equally on par with the bat palisman theory i must say this one can be valid and personally a mix of the two animals wold be fantastic.

  • @omalleycaboose5937
    @omalleycaboose5937 Рік тому +1

    to be fair I'd say Belos rule is pretty much overthrown successfully... just... replaced

  • @christopheredwards788
    @christopheredwards788 Рік тому

    Welcome back. Great videos. Congratulations on 30K

  • @dutchstewart9462
    @dutchstewart9462 Рік тому +2

    I have a potential theory for "The Owl House," could Luz (and humans in general) possibly be something of an amplifier for magic cast by witches? The reason I bring this up is because some of the most impressive feats (outside of Eda's) were performed with Luz either being directly involved or in close proximity to the spell being cast. Do you find this theory plausible or am I just finding something where there is nothing?

  • @BradTastic17
    @BradTastic17 Рік тому

    I like your theory about Luz's palisman being a snake. In the flashback to when Luz found the snake skin, some of the letters on the blocks the other children are playing with can spell out "OWL," but also, just below those, the letters spell "BOA," maybe to hint at a boa constrictor snake. I mean, maybe, right? It's as likely as anything else. 😛

  • @JohnSlaughterND
    @JohnSlaughterND Рік тому

    I just discovered you through this video and WOW. The Good Witch Azura theory is AMAZINg and I really hope that it comes true. That would be the cherry on top at the end.

  • @eliwazzhere
    @eliwazzhere Рік тому

    4:26 The poster to the (our)right: "Spirit Devourer" Is a little refference to "Soul eater" An anime :)

  • @Bulbusaur4
    @Bulbusaur4 Рік тому

    I’ve just discovered your channel and I just wanted to say that it is a complete gem.

  • @Ezraspainter
    @Ezraspainter Рік тому +1

    Camilla is possibly the best fictional mom (Aside from Morticia Adams because she was practically written to be the perfect mom alongside Gomez) Like, I can't remember 1 bad thing she's done without the influence of others (reality check camp)

  • @TartarusHimself
    @TartarusHimself Рік тому

    I love how popular bill is in this community

  • @silliestsnake
    @silliestsnake Рік тому

    4:47 ,, I act like i don’t care but i secretly DO” Luz Noceda s1 ep2

  • @tippedjoshua6802
    @tippedjoshua6802 Рік тому +1

    One thing I like about there being less episodes is that every episode is going to be good, like I would rather it be longer, but still

  • @babyalivetimetoyplaysbabya9610

    15:28 there's a snake toy in Camilla's back too

  • @blue_bubbly08
    @blue_bubbly08 Рік тому

    THESE THEORIES ARE SO GOOD

  • @LlonlyKnox
    @LlonlyKnox Рік тому

    Thank you for providing me with entertainment I’ve been very bored

  • @mikechicago6200
    @mikechicago6200 Рік тому +4

    love your vids

  • @chaos4654
    @chaos4654 Рік тому

    The Clawthornes being a Clan implies anyone with the right key features might be related, even if distantly. (Not even getting into the fact adoption is a valid entry way into the Clan)
    So it's possible Del and Gwendolyn to be distant cousins if both were in the Clan prior to marrying.
    Kinda like a lot of Clans in Naruto work.

  • @NerveUnderscore
    @NerveUnderscore Рік тому +1

    I really don´t want the Collector being traped again after so long... but, man. Is hard seing that god child learning to NOT kill just for the spite of it

  • @jancerny3657
    @jancerny3657 Рік тому

    Well big note: Flapjack technically never died, (as we seen in previous episodes) his soul is inside
    Hunter now.

  • @Axeres
    @Axeres Рік тому

    Heyo Whitney glad to hear you are going to be doing more with new rockstars i have been following you for a while and it will be amazing seeing you talk about more shows! Also do you think you will break down any of the info about s3 ep2 of TOH I have been dying to know what others think luz's palismin will become after seeing the promos

  • @ivipl5346
    @ivipl5346 Рік тому

    I really hope the collector gets a good ending. they have never had an actual parental figure, and have no idea that what they're doing is bad, because no one ever stands up to them! they are constantly only used, or pushed away for doing something they don't understand is bad. really reminds me of me when i was younger, when i didn't know ways to deal with my autism yet and didn't understand why people were getting mad at me...

  • @christinewhoyt
    @christinewhoyt Рік тому

    I felt on your channel by hasard and I already like your voice.

  • @Doodleskelo
    @Doodleskelo Рік тому

    About that snake eating their own tail symbol,I have theory that luz might die in the last episode but rebirth or reincarnation because king give lil his blood to her cuz titan's blood is the most powerful resource magic or the first Titan itself give her another life just like Anne from amphibia

  • @MrPinguinitofeliz
    @MrPinguinitofeliz Рік тому

    6:50 Blood and eyeballs are very common for Spanish/Latinx cultures. Especially Mexican and Caribbean cultures. Maybe that’s why she’s not too phased by them wanting to try it as she could’ve eaten it as a kid and doesn’t eat is anymore as Luz probably never liked it or would even eat it

  • @MrGabeanator
    @MrGabeanator Рік тому

    after hearing that Dana Terrace lost her father in a car accident I and many others assumed Luzs father met a simillar end so finding out he was terminally ill in this episode yeah its pretty shocking

  • @alexofthenow926
    @alexofthenow926 Рік тому

    My theory is it will be twin snakes! Because Of Hunter, Vee, and the fact Camila is apart of a healing Clinic! Which i think it would look like a closer twirl with snakes head near where palisman should be!

  • @pokemasta6019
    @pokemasta6019 Рік тому

    I have a theory! What if the giant "Beast Ball" ends up trapping Belos for all eternity. This way Luz won't have to kill Belos (killing is something she would never do) and Belos can't just do the same thing he did at the end of season 2. Monster Belos is actually kind of a combination of Lusamine and Nihilego. (Spoiler warning for Pokémon Sun and Moon) Belos and Nihilego are parasitic, Lusamine tricked all of Alola mirroring how Belos tricked all of the Boiling Isles, they even manipulate a young family member in Lillie and Hunter, and the both have monstrerous forms at the end.
    Plus, I think Collector would find this hilarious, since Belos did not free the Collector in the end after hundreds of years, trapping him in the same place Collector was stuck in would be Belos getting a taste of his own medicine.

  • @robertcrane5314
    @robertcrane5314 Рік тому +1

    OK 2 Things 1. I think Caleb is more than Philip older brother more like a Guardian Angle and 2. When she says “Sounds like big bro got a hot witch girlfriend and little bro got upset” will to me that Cable fell in love and was going to be a Father and Philip was going to be a Uncle.

  • @robertzarfas9556
    @robertzarfas9556 Рік тому

    It’s such a tragedy that what should have been the first half of a season got compressed into a music montage in the opening. Luz and amity coming out to Camilla should have been it’s own episode. It deserved at least that. With how skilled the writers are it likely would have been one of the best connection points for lgbt+ teens and parents ever to come out of Disney.

  • @ldog378
    @ldog378 Рік тому

    I believe the azura theory will happen because luz and amity are constantly quoting azura and the other girl (sorry I forget her name) so that’s probably a bit of it

  • @sugarhoneyedicetea4245
    @sugarhoneyedicetea4245 Рік тому

    The time loop theory is sendin me on a trip

  • @maybeanfan
    @maybeanfan Рік тому

    am i going crazy or did anyone else notice flapjacks eye wound/scar getting worse over time
    bc in the begining he has both eyes with a scar over one of them but in thanks to them he heas only one eye and the scar blocking the other

  • @kydkacani
    @kydkacani Рік тому +1

    Anybody else notice how hunters eye color is no longer red and is now brown like flapjacks

  • @oprime
    @oprime Рік тому

    I really liked your video and the ideas presented in it. Btw, is it just me or do the blocks that young Luz on the playground spell Owl? Of course the blocks can say other things if you only look at the upright letters (like Fowl for example.)

  • @thRealBochyboy
    @thRealBochyboy Рік тому

    i think that her palisman, since if has grooves in the egg, is going to unravel like a noodle and be a snake

  • @weirdogoat
    @weirdogoat Рік тому

    @WhitneyVision While I was watching this video I noticed how the tip Azura's staff is suspiciously similar to Luz's egg.

  • @supernovero
    @supernovero Рік тому

    I'm fairly certain the cosmic frontier stuff is actually camillas not Manny's. If it was Manny's I think she would have had a different reaction, but the nervous deflection reads more like it's her stuff that she tried to hide away

  • @whatsthetalkteawtydiamond6470

    It sounds like Edelyn Evelyn analyn are all in the same blood line, when below found out Ada didn't wanna be in a coven he was frightened that she would be his downfall like Evelyn was. So he tricked her sister in to cursing her so that magic would cause to morph for good.
    Belos Tricked Ada's sister to because Evelyn because of his trauma.

  • @thegamingpanda5134
    @thegamingpanda5134 Рік тому

    I got something for you flapjack may be actually now with hunter since that his eyes were dark megenta first and now after the sacrifice brown wich are the eye colors of flapjack but that also means that hunter maybe not a grimwalker now since dark megenta is always the eye color of an grimwalker but since hunter has brown eyes now maybe he isn’t a grimwalker anymore

  • @bimboybeltran1286
    @bimboybeltran1286 Рік тому

    great review !

  • @comunistbanana
    @comunistbanana Рік тому +3

    I had lost my dad a few weeks before seeing this episode. Realizing that Luz got her first Azura book from her dad before he died hit me hard.

  • @silverstar1726
    @silverstar1726 Рік тому

    I am disappointed thanks to them didn’t start with ‘NOW EAT THIS SUCCA!”

  • @dandyspacedandy
    @dandyspacedandy Рік тому

    1:29 coming from a hispanic household, its a fair assumption to make when she pulled out la chancla on that guy who kidnapped Vee.
    but i suppose that just means Luz's _grandma_ is the abusive one and thats where Camila got the idea to use la chancla on him.
    or of course its just a cheeky reference to hispanic parent stereotypes and im just reading into it too much lmfao

  • @idrawyt635
    @idrawyt635 Рік тому

    Maybe if Luz goes back in time we could get a Wittebane backstory??

  • @tyrant-den884
    @tyrant-den884 Рік тому

    My guess is the "Golden Guard" was Caleb's witch hunter persona. It looked like they've both had those masks for a long time.

  • @Fayanora
    @Fayanora Рік тому +1

    Luz desperately needs someone to point out that if she hadn't been in the boiling isles, everyone there would likely be dead.

  • @autumngalix4616
    @autumngalix4616 Рік тому +1

    Um no, that's Camila's cosplay, not Manny's. She knew about the book and got adorably nervous and embarrassed, not sad. She was saying how things "just appear in basements" in an attempt to hide it(very terribly I might add). If that was Manny's stuff, something was clearly wrong with their relationship to feel embarrassed about it. Realistically, she would of probably felt offput, not embarrassed that they found her collection of cosplay gear and books.

  • @beed2587
    @beed2587 Рік тому

    theory, Hunter can do magic now (without the help of a staff) flapjacks magic (green stuff) seeped into Hunters wounds so he probably grew a magic bile sack or something

  • @m071
    @m071 Рік тому

    i love your videos so much! sharing this with my friends you make so many good points

  • @mah29001
    @mah29001 Рік тому

    Owl House reminds me of another series Harry Potter, except the snakes are being symbolized as the bad guys (most of the time) in the series. But Luz's palisman people are saying could be a snake. I'm leaning towards a flying serpent much similar like the Aztec/Mayan Gods though it's possible it also could be a dragon.