I think I forgot to explain what is pronation/supination means and why is important to have a resistance in this movements! Pronation-supination, the rotation of the forearm around its longitudinal axis, is an important motion because it allows the hand to be oriented, allowing one to take food and carry it to the mouth, perform personal hygiene, and live autonomously.
Maybe reach out to a professional rock climber? Because there might be gear better suited to safely performing your idea while having a quicker time to complete that leg of the course that you are thinking of implementing.
Indeed, too long, but also too dangerous, if we take the point of view of a producer or of a gym manager: the screw itself is pointy, you can't risk someone stabbing themselves in the eye or in the hand, nor could you risk a disease due to rust+pointy. May I suggest: a socket and a plain bolt, for metal, not for wood. If you like the idea that you have to use rotation AND push, then indeed... you're screwed. :D
Anton must've misheard when they asked for a ninja obstacle and thought they were asking for some kind of a medieval torture device HAHA. Interesting videos as always Anton!
Such a cool idea ^^ I love the idea to force a move like the figure 4, but as others have pointed out, it would need to be faster and safer. Having some kind of key to insert in a hole that has to be turned seems maybe doable.
If the resistance was above the key and there was a hook below that would work really well. Would probably be more fun to have them twist something and have the next hold be revealed.
Maybe one option you could try to look into is instead of moving/creating each hold as you go across, perhaps you could start with each hold covered by some mechanism, and the contestants have to remove each cover before being able to progress. This way you could even customize each step a bit with a unique challenge to get rid of the cover, instead of the same sequence over and over (maybe increasing the entertainment aspect). For example, first hold maybe you have to rotate something out of the way, second hold maybe you need to unhook something, third hold maybe you need to aim and hit something, and so on. But I really like the idea of being 'stuck' hanging on the obstacle until you're able to accomplish a task to move onto the next hold.
I can see why they don't like this idea haha! Climbing with a big spike in your hands and falling doesn't sound great. Maybe some thing with a key that is a T bar and lock type design so you can use some thing not sharpe to insert ?
Suggestion: drill a hole from the side of the beam so that you can put a nut inside the wood. This way instead of screwing on wood, you can screw to the nut, having way less risk of ripping the screw out with weight, and probably could use shorter screws with less rotation needed (i.e. faster). Metal on metal can probably hold much easier and be more secure. Also if it was meant as part of something, maybe just 2 screw-in holds instead of 4 to make it even faster or having 2 then some regular holds to catch your breath and 2 more.
@@AntonFomenko What about using nyloc nuts? They'd provide resistance and be cheap to replace when worn out. You could even add multiple for increased resistance.
@@R1NR4N I agree with that. And probably going with a larger diameter because trying to force a nylok on with your fingers on a small diameter is really fricken hard. Maybe make the size 1-1/2" - 2" WAF, jam nylock nut. Thinner nut means they can't rely on 2 threads to hold them up before they dig into the nylon resistance. Force them to screw it on and use the actual nut itself as the hold. Would speed the section up and would also eliminate the tighter/looser easier/harder for the next person dillema.
Anton has finally reached that level of expertise when one starts to move into the mad science territory. Next step is an entirely new show comprised of his bold ideas
WOW you were definitely 100% correct on basically everything. By itself this seems like a very difficult and very fun challenge, I could also see this being good for training to climb ceilings, in rock climbing. But I wouldn't see it working well in a course, as it takes too long and is way too difficult. Super cool idea and video!
@@AntonFomenko Love your content man keep up the awesome work and if you ever want to do some outdoor rock climbing in colorado let me know i know of some amazing locations!
Yeah fantastic for a strength test but it would be boring for a TV show. Everything on those are usually pretty quick dynamic movements. Greats stuff though, that is very impressive
Нет, Антон, это не было скучно смотреть. Я буквально ловила себя на том, что задерживаю дыхание и напрягаю мышцы😂 я думаю от этого испытания отказались, ибо оно - как финальный босс божественного уровня💪🏼
I am seriously impressed here. That twisting motion DESTROYS your forearms, especially because you're using tapered screws on an undersized wooden hole. Ive been in construction for 20 years and do a surprisingly similar amount of motions as you all day. I'm also a climber, summited Devils Tower last year, and also boulder at a 6A level.. Im "bragging" so much because you're always humbling. I don't think i'd have made it past the 2nd hook. I want to build this, looks like it would kick my ass. I may suggest though, just for the sake of re-usability.. Embed some threaded sleeves into the wood and swap from the screw-in style eyehook to something threaded to accept a nut. it would make the challenge easier IMO, but theres no way to have repeatability of the difficulty unless you drill brand new holes every time. This isnt something you'd train on all the time though, so maybe just getting a new beam every year or so would probably be the best option. Take it easy, love your stuff man.
@@AntonFomenko if you put a spring in the nut pressing down on the bolt as you screwed it in (possibly behind a small circular plate to protect the spring) it would provide resistance
What if, going a bit more fancy, you have a more technical mechanism. E.g. the holds are already there, but you have to turn something like a key or a knob to unlock it/make the hold appear. The resistance can be adjusted to make it harder or easier to turn like that rolling beam you have to run across. When you're done, just push the hold back in and next person go.
Wouldn't threading into wood would make the holes wear out and make eye hooks fall out for contestants that attempt the obstacle later in the event? Also the screw ends of the eye hooks probably would be a danger to the athletes.
I had an idea, that you have grips, and you need to carry a drill gun on a belt holster. And while holding one grip in the air, you have to drill holes for the next spot, then screw in the next hold, grab that, and repeat the process 5 times to the end. For some reason they rejected it and banned me from submitting any more ideas. 💩
If you could create this without a Sharp point on the hook screw which makes it Dangerous if you fall on it. But if you can make the obstacle with a pre-drilled Threaded Hole and have the wooden or maybe even 3D-printed Threaded Pegs with Hoops for Ball connection that thread right into the pre-drilled/threaded Holes with a loop on the bottom to hook the balls too, then I bet they would allow that since it would be safer.
Hi Anton - how about using climbing cams? they would need to be precise to place it, with the pinching move, feel if it's secure before hanging off it, and can't just remove it by pulling, but have to do the pinching move again.
Hello from Russia man! I think its a great idea... As in climbing we have bouldering, in ninja warriors we could have something like this - to have journeys in different complexity level. I'd like to see something like that :) btw - how long you've been living in US? What's your story? Thumbs up guys to urge Anton to share it with us :))
You also unscrewed the one eye hook half a rotation when you spun yourself around. If you combined that last anchor with that motion, you would have dropped. The pump was clear in your forearms on the second grip, so much respect for toughing it out!
If you had a larger diameter coarser thread eye bolt going into an insert in the wood it would be fewer turns and more sturdy i think this could be really cool!!
Instead of a screw, perhaps make it like a skeleton key where you push it in and turn it to lock it into place. Think like a slide lock for a gate or something similar. It wouldn't be quite so taxing.
you should look at " 1/2″ Removable Anchor - CLIMBTECH " you could use that instead of screws you still have to put it into the holes and remove it but its quick action , you just pull the plunger to realise the bolt and move it to the next hole and they have a few diffrent sizes for the holes
I was going to say if there are threaded anchors and use bolts instead of the eye hook screws it would be safer/easier. I have not watched the whole video yet to see if he gets there. Your idea is even better.
@@AntonFomenko what about a screw on door knob can bolt the shafts into the wood then you have to screw the round door handle on and off to move along the plank lot safer falling with a round door handle than a spiked loop lol
This could be more attractive with a much coarser thread screw, like an injection molded plastic screw with only 3 turns. Sort of like a sand screw/ground screw for tents.
Suggestion: use the trad protection gear like cams instead of the eye screw may ease the obstacle a bit and safer. Anyway very creative to integrate figure 4 body position in your move😊
Man, this is so cool! It takes a lot of time but honestly, if I see someone hanging on one hand and screwing some stuff on a beam for 5 min., like his life depends on that, I would die laughing and at the same time will be so impressed. Ninja Worrior MUST accept this as an course obstacle! Good job!
This obstacle takes a TON of time to screw into place, so I think this could definitely work if there was much less screwing! Maybe 1 full rotation, and it has a mechanic that forces the screw to lock in?
What you really need to make it work is fit the screwloops into a bearing (so free spinning) screwthread, to make it work quicker and also prevent the obstacle from breaking (drilled out holes tend to lose their thread after a couple of in and out screwing). This way you actually have to use strength (push it upwards into the hole to prevent the bearing from spinning) to screw the holds in and can train pronation/supination in a way more isolated way. I think this is an elite obstacle, but definetly a challenge for pros.
Woah, that a really creative obstacle Anton! I think it would be much more attaiable for competition if you swapped the screw and hold for a single element, like a classic corkscrew with a reenforced handle as a grip. That would make the obstacle less impossible for people other than masochists like yourself haha. Keep up the awesome work!
I like the idea, perhaps it can be done safely and consistently but since it takes so long you'd need to decrease it to maybe 2 of these. It could be at the end of a climbing segment that's already endurance based. If reach is an issue you could make it a decline so the next hole isn't too high up. Also I'd strategically add many holes so the athlete can choose the best one. What I think is missing from ninja is full body strength. The wall lift is a great example although I think they're always too light. Also what about a see-saw obstacle where you load heavy things (like a strongman loading event) on one side to force the other one high and you run up and jump off to reach the next platform. Light guys would need less weight but have the disadvantage of being weaker.
It's also funny, because if you screw it in less you have more strength left - because you're spending less time - but you'll have more chance of the screw pulling out.
Another way you could do this is if you use a metal beam with a slit for a key. On top of the beam you would have a cylindrical hole with a sloped spiral at the bottom. This way you would insert the key, and then when you turn it, it will rise on the spiral. The spiral could be 180 degrees then have a drop to catch the key in so it doesn't slide back down. To Increase difficulty you can put a weight in the hole so the key would have to push up the weight as it travels the spiral. From the user's perspective, it would be: insert the key until it hits an obstruction ( the weight), turn the key clockwise (and the key will rise as it follows the slope) until the key drops into the slot. Then when you need the key for the next hold you would lift and turn and it will follow the slope out. If you want to have the full expanse you can have the slope mirrored such that when the key reached the peak of the slope it falls down the mirrored slope and lands practically back at the beginning with a wall separating them. In this fashion the initial turning of the key would be the same except instead of falling into a slot it will fall down the mirrored slope. Then to get the key back you must first turn it in the opposite direction. You can switch out the weight with a wooden dowel with a rubber band holding it down so that the resistance will increase as the key rises. Edit for clarity: the slope would take up part of the hole, the rest is the hold the weight or dowel. The head of the key (the part that rides up the slope) would be as tall as the hight between the bottem and top of the slope. The weight rests on the top of the slope.
You might want to test how many turns you need. I'm thinking you're over doing it. Understandably if you don't want to crash down on your back with no warnign.
I think the idea is really cool but the fact that it takes so long and requires an insane amount of strength is most likely the reason they banned it. I haven't watched much ninja warrior but from what i know the course shouldn't take a very long time to complete and should be exciting to watch. Watching someone hang there, screwing and unscrewing these things for 2-3 minutes taking up majority of the course time would really slow down the pace of the course and doesn't look all that entertaining, impressive? sure but entertaining for a live audience to watch? i don't think so
I would have rated that a little higher due to the detail control you need to get the hook into the screw hole. You have to slow down and totally control you swing to get it started. Its a cool individual challenge but I can see why its to detail for the show. Enjoyed the video because I really wanted to see how you were going to beat your own challlenge!
maybe if you didnt have to turn it 2000° maybe some thing that could lock out at 360 or up to 540°.it is a timed event and also you dont want to bore the audience. so, maybe not a conventional screw into wood.
Incredible idea, with slight tweaks I don't see why it should stay banned. What comes to mind is some sort of gear system with a high gear ratio, and having to twist that while hanging from one arm to open up a door that has access to a hold or something. Ok maybe I understand why it was banned...
Maybe if you used a bolt instead of a self tapping screw it would be safer and wouldn't be banned? Like a M12x1.75 thread. Threading and tightening would be equal for everyone and the hole won't wear out so will be equally safe for everyone. Basically a bolt will make it way more consistent over a screw and it's not stabby.
If instead of using a wood screw, a tapped beam and a bolt would be a quicker and safer option while retaining the same concept. A grade 8 1/2-13 bolt has a sheer rating of 21000lbs. Easier to replace and the chance of it going out of round is far less under stress. Another option is a key-like insert out of laser cut tube steel like others have similarly suggested.
My biceps and forearms were fatiguing watching this lol. Interesting concept... Would a metal beam and powerful magnets be better? But you may loose the screwing portion of it and just clipping in the clips and ball to manuever across; as you did.
use a c hook with the hoop attached that you have to move and replace infront of you that way is safe, faster, but still challenging. great idea, just a bit over the top. good for training but they would have to swap out the board every run and potential difference in load strength of hoop screw. but 2 c hooks that go around the stable beam would be interesting, simple, fast, but still difficult. maybe make it 3 c hooks and 2 ball grips and make rule that you have to move hook and replace grip before moving on. so c hook, ball grip, then c hook, ball grip, last c hook, and use first ball grip on 3rd c hook, then replace 1st c hook, and put 2nd ball grip on that. or just have 2 c hooks with ball grips but gotta move them forward manually kinda like your doing.
I think if the screw was bigger and little more customised (bigger thread, easy to screw in, maybe even a latch system?) This could be a very popular obstacle!! Let me know if I can design you something Anton!
make it have like a lever you have to pull down after screwing it in to lock it in place, like big metal screw, with a rod in the middle that stops it from screwing out of the thread.
Interesting. The idea is way too fresh to use it as it is. When I asked myself what is the core of my interest to it... 1st idea was some metal and wood genetic memory but it is again not so fair to everyone.. 2nd idea is better. I think its a type of resistance. Its not boring. If you think of it.. every time you turn that thing you have to overcome initial stuck resistance 1 and then it will allow you to scrrrrrrew 2 a little bit.. Wood is not all even so both resistance 1 and 2 is random, it can even drop on later turn if you poke hard and reach soft area in the wood. So how can we model it to have same level of secret but make it repeatable and resettable? I can suggest you have to be turning something that is pulling a rope. Rope is pulling a block of something on some surface that gives random resistance. Its visually hidden from you. So you have to use only body awareness to understand what energy you need next turn. You have no way to pre-calculate it. And you have to stop when its impossible to move. You dont know where. You have to use all your power and say "That's it. If I use more power I hurt myself. I'm aware enough to know my limits." Then you press the button. If its really the end door opens. If not floor opens and you drop into lava. Jokes aside, seems to be very humbling experience. Hope this helps to open new level of interest in the challenges. Good luck.
You'd need to use the kind of bolt fittings used on a climbing wall to help make the holes safer and more uniform between those trying out the challenge.
I like it, but as you pointed out the wood is not ideal. Many great suggestions already posted, but I would make the eye bolt, and the board, out of a hard polymer that is strong and fairly easy to screw. However you could make it so tightening the screw is also compressing a spring such that the resistance increases, and add a rule you must insert the eye bolt all the way. In this manner it would be the same for every run. You could even have an adjustment for the spring tension to control difficulty. Interesting video!
I think if you could find a way to have the hand holds be 2 solid puzzle piece like steel objects, and have a cut out that, when properly inserted, will hold body weight without question. Would make it much faster, as can make the key rather simple, but still takes time to figure out how to properly insert, and under load will still be the challenge you are looking for.
Damn, that looked so hard! It was actually fascinating to watch cause I was rooting for you not to peel out and fall lol. The challenge reminded me of assembling my Ikea furniture.
I thought it was great, and with a bit of tweaking, could be ready for prime time. Maybe make handled, and larger lag screws that would be easier on the skin, but harder to turn, maybe work on the spacing so a person might choose to skip some holes, but at the cost of having to screw them in more securely. Would be more exciting when it's a race, too. Although, I was still cheering for you to complete it solo - was worried about that last screw.
A few big problems here are that the obstacle is not very durable, not very safe, and not very fun to watch. Firstly, the more times the screws are screwed into the holes, the more the wood will get damaged, and may eventually give out. Secondly, the point of ninja warrior is to go as fast as possible, which means that people are incentivized to not screw the screw in all the way, which can lead to the screw putting more pressure on the wood and tearing it, causing them to fall. The athlete could also end up uncrewing themselves if they accidentally start spinning while hanging. Needless to say, an athlete never wants to fall unexpectedly, as this can lead them to fall in a position that might be dangerous to land in. Thirdly, because it takes so long to get through, with the athlete not swinging, flying through the air, running or jumping, people might find it quite boring to watch.
I think if this had been done with cams it probably would have been picked up, but this also skips the possibility of cheating a crack obstacle with crack technique. Buuut, that's another idea for a challenge
I think that a solution might be to have the device be easier to screw in, and maybe require less precision to put in the hole. Something like a large-scale version of a BNC connector, but the hole it goes in is in a divot. Like this _ | | ...../ \.... Instead of this _ | | .....| |...... The twisty part of the BNC connector could have a changeable spring to create resistance
I think this idea is great, but the screwing part is taking a long time, so I propose you forget the screwing part and just keep the moving hild thing. You hold the first one, click the second one, then unclick the first to click the third and so on. Also I the hole are already threaded, it will be easier to screw the rod, and you could have less pointy and sharp bolt.
If you had quick install slots i might be decent. Something that you push in twist and pull down and it is locked. This way you would not hang there for ages screwing god damn screw, which is boring to watch.
If they deem it to difficult or dangerous, you could hang the eyes there but giftwrap it heavily. The athlete must unwrap before he's able to utilise it? Sounds cool for a christmas period 😊
I feel what would make this challenge viable as far as time constraint and making it reusable would be having pre made grooved sockets bolted into the wood the only took like 4-5 twists to screw the hook into.
If the screws would be replaced with "machine" screws and nuts It would be potentially much safer I believe and a little easier to screw in, still requiring precision but not as much wrist strength
I think it's a bit to long and complicated for ninja warrior. Maybe it won't take as long if you use metal with good thread but it still kinda bad that you can't finish the obstacle if you lose one of the pieces. Maybe it will work if you pre screw the hooks and spread them apart but i guess in this case you lose the main idea of the obstacle you tried to make
I absolutely love the idea, but there's a few reasons why you probably got denied. If you go on the Home Depot website where you probably got those eye-hooks from, the product actually has a disclaimer that they are not meant to hold human body weight. Obviously they can, but that disclaimer means that Ninja Warrior would have liability if someone got hurt. Another reason, and maybe why the disclaimer exists, is that the more you reuse those holes, the weaker the threads in the wood become, leading to it slipping and you needing to replace the post. Lastly, even with water underneath the contestant, if they do fall while holding the eye-hook, it can cause impalement. No fun. However, I think it would be cool to implement some sort of hold that is straight, to allow passage in a through-hole, but can open up on the other side so you can hang off of it. Think of a toggle bolt, but with really strong arms to grip onto. It would be a lot safer too!
If you are going to have something like this you need threaded holes and anchors with a machine bolt. Over time those holes are going to weaken and strip causing a potential hazard.
I say that's a cool idea, but I do suggest that you make it safer by just having the eyelets screwed and pre hung but the user has to unlock and use the triple lock carabiners for the length of the section.
Why not make it out of metal? That way it could be a lot more consistent. Just get some big heavy bolts with a nice thick tread and weld some nuts onto a plate or something. You could also make the handle one piece by welding it to the bolt and maybe even grind the bolt and nut down a bit so its easier to get in.
It's a great idea. Machine screw would be more Reliable in such a test successful in this case it's a great concept and it is like a you definitely do not want to have to go back that way option.
Interesting challenge, even if it was a steel bar with threaded holes eventually there's a chance a thread would get stripped. I don't know if these already exist but what about a key that you would have to twist before it would lock in place?
make it 3 times the length and fill every hole with anchor points, it will be hard enough moving the clip on holds, no one would be capible of making it the whole way with 1 finger in each loop
How about instead of wood it can be metal bar that already has nuts welded in it, and you have to screw in big bolt with a ring on it, but it has to go all the way in to lets say push a button that together with next one screwed in completely that pushes another button lowers a third hold that you can use to move further, so it cant be cheated and you need to hold on for at least 1 minute, but this way it ruins only one of your arms for the next challenge. Seems a bit more fair this way to me
Cool idea, but in a time trial people would be incentivized to screw in the minimum possible to take their weight, which increases the risk someone could hurt themselves
Check out square threads and using all metal (might need to use some material to create friction to make this twisting strenuous rather than “just” technical)
I think I forgot to explain what is pronation/supination means and why is important to have a resistance in this movements!
Pronation-supination, the rotation of the forearm around its longitudinal axis, is an important motion because it allows the hand to be oriented, allowing one to take food and carry it to the mouth, perform personal hygiene, and live autonomously.
Supinate = palm up, pronate = palm down, if standing in a normal bicep curl position.
Maybe reach out to a professional rock climber? Because there might be gear better suited to safely performing your idea while having a quicker time to complete that leg of the course that you are thinking of implementing.
Handyman special.
Indeed, too long, but also too dangerous, if we take the point of view of a producer or of a gym manager: the screw itself is pointy, you can't risk someone stabbing themselves in the eye or in the hand, nor could you risk a disease due to rust+pointy.
May I suggest: a socket and a plain bolt, for metal, not for wood.
If you like the idea that you have to use rotation AND push, then indeed... you're screwed. :D
Anton your idea can work but you need to make it different
Anton must've misheard when they asked for a ninja obstacle and thought they were asking for some kind of a medieval torture device HAHA. Interesting videos as always Anton!
Such a cool idea ^^
I love the idea to force a move like the figure 4, but as others have pointed out, it would need to be faster and safer. Having some kind of key to insert in a hole that has to be turned seems maybe doable.
If the resistance was above the key and there was a hook below that would work really well. Would probably be more fun to have them twist something and have the next hold be revealed.
@@edwardmitchell6581 oh that's cool
I just posted something similar. Great minds think alike I suppose.
Maybe one option you could try to look into is instead of moving/creating each hold as you go across, perhaps you could start with each hold covered by some mechanism, and the contestants have to remove each cover before being able to progress. This way you could even customize each step a bit with a unique challenge to get rid of the cover, instead of the same sequence over and over (maybe increasing the entertainment aspect).
For example, first hold maybe you have to rotate something out of the way, second hold maybe you need to unhook something, third hold maybe you need to aim and hit something, and so on. But I really like the idea of being 'stuck' hanging on the obstacle until you're able to accomplish a task to move onto the next hold.
I can see why they don't like this idea haha! Climbing with a big spike in your hands and falling doesn't sound great.
Maybe some thing with a key that is a T bar and lock type design so you can use some thing not sharpe to insert ?
Good point!😅
Suggestion: drill a hole from the side of the beam so that you can put a nut inside the wood. This way instead of screwing on wood, you can screw to the nut, having way less risk of ripping the screw out with weight, and probably could use shorter screws with less rotation needed (i.e. faster). Metal on metal can probably hold much easier and be more secure. Also if it was meant as part of something, maybe just 2 screw-in holds instead of 4 to make it even faster or having 2 then some regular holds to catch your breath and 2 more.
Bolts would also make it safer! No pointy part
Good idea but there is no pronation resistance anymore. Idea is to force resistance in pronation/supination movements. 💪
@@AntonFomenko What about using nyloc nuts? They'd provide resistance and be cheap to replace when worn out. You could even add multiple for increased resistance.
Having to feed the screw into an actual thread creates a whole new level of difficulty as you need to be very controlled to get it in straight
@@R1NR4N I agree with that. And probably going with a larger diameter because trying to force a nylok on with your fingers on a small diameter is really fricken hard. Maybe make the size 1-1/2" - 2" WAF, jam nylock nut. Thinner nut means they can't rely on 2 threads to hold them up before they dig into the nylon resistance. Force them to screw it on and use the actual nut itself as the hold. Would speed the section up and would also eliminate the tighter/looser easier/harder for the next person dillema.
Anton has finally reached that level of expertise when one starts to move into the mad science territory. Next step is an entirely new show comprised of his bold ideas
WOW you were definitely 100% correct on basically everything. By itself this seems like a very difficult and very fun challenge, I could also see this being good for training to climb ceilings, in rock climbing. But I wouldn't see it working well in a course, as it takes too long and is way too difficult. Super cool idea and video!
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@@AntonFomenko Love your content man keep up the awesome work and if you ever want to do some outdoor rock climbing in colorado let me know i know of some amazing locations!
Yeah fantastic for a strength test but it would be boring for a TV show. Everything on those are usually pretty quick dynamic movements.
Greats stuff though, that is very impressive
1:17 „so I‘m not taking it personally …yet“ 😂 love your channel, binge watching all you videos! Gold!
Yay! Thank you!💪😎
This looked insane! And you did it with an injured shoulder/arm. Mad respect! Maybe even Magnus would struggle with a long enough board xD
Getting better little by little! Thank you!💪🔥
Anton: "Pronation."
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Нет, Антон, это не было скучно смотреть. Я буквально ловила себя на том, что задерживаю дыхание и напрягаю мышцы😂 я думаю от этого испытания отказались, ибо оно - как финальный босс божественного уровня💪🏼
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I am seriously impressed here. That twisting motion DESTROYS your forearms, especially because you're using tapered screws on an undersized wooden hole. Ive been in construction for 20 years and do a surprisingly similar amount of motions as you all day. I'm also a climber, summited Devils Tower last year, and also boulder at a 6A level.. Im "bragging" so much because you're always humbling. I don't think i'd have made it past the 2nd hook. I want to build this, looks like it would kick my ass. I may suggest though, just for the sake of re-usability.. Embed some threaded sleeves into the wood and swap from the screw-in style eyehook to something threaded to accept a nut. it would make the challenge easier IMO, but theres no way to have repeatability of the difficulty unless you drill brand new holes every time. This isnt something you'd train on all the time though, so maybe just getting a new beam every year or so would probably be the best option.
Take it easy, love your stuff man.
Absolutely 💪🔥 thank you!
@@AntonFomenko if you put a spring in the nut pressing down on the bolt as you screwed it in (possibly behind a small circular plate to protect the spring) it would provide resistance
"I'm not taking it personaly... yet" :"D
This obstacle could really... screw someone over
What if, going a bit more fancy, you have a more technical mechanism. E.g. the holds are already there, but you have to turn something like a key or a knob to unlock it/make the hold appear. The resistance can be adjusted to make it harder or easier to turn like that rolling beam you have to run across. When you're done, just push the hold back in and next person go.
Yep! Very fancy tho!💪😎
Bro this is CRAAAZYYY 😂 I love it, never seen you be so dead after doing a move
Looks intense ;) and ps. how about some trampoline/tricking content? I enjoyed those videos in gymnastics gyms a lot
Flips are awesome 🤩
Wouldn't threading into wood would make the holes wear out and make eye hooks fall out for contestants that attempt the obstacle later in the event? Also the screw ends of the eye hooks probably would be a danger to the athletes.
I had an idea, that you have grips, and you need to carry a drill gun on a belt holster. And while holding one grip in the air, you have to drill holes for the next spot, then screw in the next hold, grab that, and repeat the process 5 times to the end. For some reason they rejected it and banned me from submitting any more ideas. 💩
Lol, I had visions of this happening as well. Extreme drilling. 🤣
If you could create this without a Sharp point on the hook screw which makes it Dangerous if you fall on it. But if you can make the obstacle with a pre-drilled Threaded Hole and have the wooden or maybe even 3D-printed Threaded Pegs with Hoops for Ball connection that thread right into the pre-drilled/threaded Holes with a loop on the bottom to hook the balls too, then I bet they would allow that since it would be safer.
Hi Anton - how about using climbing cams? they would need to be precise to place it, with the pinching move, feel if it's secure before hanging off it, and can't just remove it by pulling, but have to do the pinching move again.
I like it💪
Hello from Russia man! I think its a great idea... As in climbing we have bouldering, in ninja warriors we could have something like this - to have journeys in different complexity level. I'd like to see something like that :) btw - how long you've been living in US? What's your story? Thumbs up guys to urge Anton to share it with us :))
Anton, you are insane!! I've seen you complete it and yet I still think it's impossible!
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You also unscrewed the one eye hook half a rotation when you spun yourself around. If you combined that last anchor with that motion, you would have dropped. The pump was clear in your forearms on the second grip, so much respect for toughing it out!
If you had a larger diameter coarser thread eye bolt going into an insert in the wood it would be fewer turns and more sturdy i think this could be really cool!!
Instead of a screw, perhaps make it like a skeleton key where you push it in and turn it to lock it into place. Think like a slide lock for a gate or something similar. It wouldn't be quite so taxing.
you should look at " 1/2″ Removable Anchor - CLIMBTECH " you could use that instead of screws you still have to put it into the holes and remove it but its quick action , you just pull the plunger to realise the bolt and move it to the next hole and they have a few diffrent sizes for the holes
I was going to say if there are threaded anchors and use bolts instead of the eye hook screws it would be safer/easier. I have not watched the whole video yet to see if he gets there.
Your idea is even better.
Yeah… my plan was actually trying to apply force to be able to scree the anchor. Harder = better 😂
@@AntonFomenko better is relative I guess. Your way is the better challenge for difficulty, Alix's idea is possibly better for an actual ninja course.
@@AntonFomenko what about a screw on door knob can bolt the shafts into the wood then you have to screw the round door handle on and off to move along the plank lot safer falling with a round door handle than a spiked loop lol
its a really good challange, but for "tv/competition" its too slow. But i would love to challenge myself with it!
This could be more attractive with a much coarser thread screw, like an injection molded plastic screw with only 3 turns. Sort of like a sand screw/ground screw for tents.
3 turns won’t fatigue your pronator ✊ but for time reducing purposes will work for sure!💪
Suggestion: use the trad protection gear like cams instead of the eye screw may ease the obstacle a bit and safer. Anyway very creative to integrate figure 4 body position in your move😊
I don't know why, but I got excited when you showed the ninja warrior from my country. It's not even that small....
Nice! Did you compete?💪😎
That's really cool challenge! Would love to see Magnus do that. But for ninja warrior format, it's taking too long.
when you reach ninja level you dont need normal sleep schedule for muscles and body anymore?
Man, this is so cool! It takes a lot of time but honestly, if I see someone hanging on one hand and screwing some stuff on a beam for 5 min., like his life depends on that, I would die laughing and at the same time will be so impressed. Ninja Worrior MUST accept this as an course obstacle!
Good job!
Thank you!✊😎
This obstacle takes a TON of time to screw into place, so I think this could definitely work if there was much less screwing! Maybe 1 full rotation, and it has a mechanic that forces the screw to lock in?
They should have this new obsticale but make it like 50 meters long 😂
What you really need to make it work is fit the screwloops into a bearing (so free spinning) screwthread, to make it work quicker and also prevent the obstacle from breaking (drilled out holes tend to lose their thread after a couple of in and out screwing). This way you actually have to use strength (push it upwards into the hole to prevent the bearing from spinning) to screw the holds in and can train pronation/supination in a way more isolated way. I think this is an elite obstacle, but definetly a challenge for pros.
Wow Anton! You were training at 3am? And you probably worked a full day before this, that’s dedication that should be admired.
Thank you! One day we will make it happen💪🔥
@@AntonFomenko yes we will! Been watching for years man, never miss a video, keep grinding 🍻
Woah, that a really creative obstacle Anton! I think it would be much more attaiable for competition if you swapped the screw and hold for a single element, like a classic corkscrew with a reenforced handle as a grip. That would make the obstacle less impossible for people other than masochists like yourself haha. Keep up the awesome work!
I like the idea, perhaps it can be done safely and consistently but since it takes so long you'd need to decrease it to maybe 2 of these. It could be at the end of a climbing segment that's already endurance based. If reach is an issue you could make it a decline so the next hole isn't too high up. Also I'd strategically add many holes so the athlete can choose the best one.
What I think is missing from ninja is full body strength. The wall lift is a great example although I think they're always too light. Also what about a see-saw obstacle where you load heavy things (like a strongman loading event) on one side to force the other one high and you run up and jump off to reach the next platform. Light guys would need less weight but have the disadvantage of being weaker.
The weights on the see saw would need to be locked in so they don't go flying everywhere. Cool idea!
Thats a good one 🤔
Regular activity for construction workers
It's also funny, because if you screw it in less you have more strength left - because you're spending less time - but you'll have more chance of the screw pulling out.
Yep!💪
Another way you could do this is if you use a metal beam with a slit for a key. On top of the beam you would have a cylindrical hole with a sloped spiral at the bottom. This way you would insert the key, and then when you turn it, it will rise on the spiral. The spiral could be 180 degrees then have a drop to catch the key in so it doesn't slide back down. To Increase difficulty you can put a weight in the hole so the key would have to push up the weight as it travels the spiral. From the user's perspective, it would be: insert the key until it hits an obstruction ( the weight), turn the key clockwise (and the key will rise as it follows the slope) until the key drops into the slot. Then when you need the key for the next hold you would lift and turn and it will follow the slope out.
If you want to have the full expanse you can have the slope mirrored such that when the key reached the peak of the slope it falls down the mirrored slope and lands practically back at the beginning with a wall separating them. In this fashion the initial turning of the key would be the same except instead of falling into a slot it will fall down the mirrored slope. Then to get the key back you must first turn it in the opposite direction.
You can switch out the weight with a wooden dowel with a rubber band holding it down so that the resistance will increase as the key rises.
Edit for clarity: the slope would take up part of the hole, the rest is the hold the weight or dowel. The head of the key (the part that rides up the slope) would be as tall as the hight between the bottem and top of the slope. The weight rests on the top of the slope.
There's no way I can do this in the shape that I am (maybe a few months), but I would love to try it. Super unique problem.
Thank you!
You might want to test how many turns you need. I'm thinking you're over doing it. Understandably if you don't want to crash down on your back with no warnign.
Thats a part of the game. No one can “test” it before actual attempt.
I think the idea is really cool but the fact that it takes so long and requires an insane amount of strength is most likely the reason they banned it. I haven't watched much ninja warrior but from what i know the course shouldn't take a very long time to complete and should be exciting to watch. Watching someone hang there, screwing and unscrewing these things for 2-3 minutes taking up majority of the course time would really slow down the pace of the course and doesn't look all that entertaining, impressive? sure but entertaining for a live audience to watch? i don't think so
I would have rated that a little higher due to the detail control you need to get the hook into the screw hole. You have to slow down and totally control you swing to get it started. Its a cool individual challenge but I can see why its to detail for the show. Enjoyed the video because I really wanted to see how you were going to beat your own challlenge!
maybe if you didnt have to turn it 2000° maybe some thing that could lock out at 360 or up to 540°.it is a timed event and also you dont want to bore the audience. so, maybe not a conventional screw into wood.
Incredible idea, with slight tweaks I don't see why it should stay banned. What comes to mind is some sort of gear system with a high gear ratio, and having to twist that while hanging from one arm to open up a door that has access to a hold or something. Ok maybe I understand why it was banned...
Maybe if you used a bolt instead of a self tapping screw it would be safer and wouldn't be banned? Like a M12x1.75 thread. Threading and tightening would be equal for everyone and the hole won't wear out so will be equally safe for everyone. Basically a bolt will make it way more consistent over a screw and it's not stabby.
takes to long. ninja warrior want speed
If instead of using a wood screw, a tapped beam and a bolt would be a quicker and safer option while retaining the same concept. A grade 8 1/2-13 bolt has a sheer rating of 21000lbs. Easier to replace and the chance of it going out of round is far less under stress. Another option is a key-like insert out of laser cut tube steel like others have similarly suggested.
My biceps and forearms were fatiguing watching this lol.
Interesting concept...
Would a metal beam and powerful magnets be better? But you may loose the screwing portion of it and just clipping in the clips and ball to manuever across; as you did.
use a c hook with the hoop attached that you have to move and replace infront of you that way is safe, faster, but still challenging. great idea, just a bit over the top. good for training but they would have to swap out the board every run and potential difference in load strength of hoop screw. but 2 c hooks that go around the stable beam would be interesting, simple, fast, but still difficult. maybe make it 3 c hooks and 2 ball grips and make rule that you have to move hook and replace grip before moving on. so c hook, ball grip, then c hook, ball grip, last c hook, and use first ball grip on 3rd c hook, then replace 1st c hook, and put 2nd ball grip on that. or just have 2 c hooks with ball grips but gotta move them forward manually kinda like your doing.
I think if the screw was bigger and little more customised (bigger thread, easy to screw in, maybe even a latch system?) This could be a very popular obstacle!! Let me know if I can design you something Anton!
Always! Any idea is better than no idea. 🤘🔥
make it have like a lever you have to pull down after screwing it in to lock it in place, like big metal screw, with a rod in the middle that stops it from screwing out of the thread.
Interesting. The idea is way too fresh to use it as it is. When I asked myself what is the core of my interest to it... 1st idea was some metal and wood genetic memory but it is again not so fair to everyone.. 2nd idea is better. I think its a type of resistance. Its not boring. If you think of it.. every time you turn that thing you have to overcome initial stuck resistance 1 and then it will allow you to scrrrrrrew 2 a little bit.. Wood is not all even so both resistance 1 and 2 is random, it can even drop on later turn if you poke hard and reach soft area in the wood. So how can we model it to have same level of secret but make it repeatable and resettable? I can suggest you have to be turning something that is pulling a rope. Rope is pulling a block of something on some surface that gives random resistance. Its visually hidden from you. So you have to use only body awareness to understand what energy you need next turn. You have no way to pre-calculate it. And you have to stop when its impossible to move. You dont know where. You have to use all your power and say "That's it. If I use more power I hurt myself. I'm aware enough to know my limits." Then you press the button. If its really the end door opens. If not floor opens and you drop into lava. Jokes aside, seems to be very humbling experience. Hope this helps to open new level of interest in the challenges. Good luck.
You'd need to use the kind of bolt fittings used on a climbing wall to help make the holes safer and more uniform between those trying out the challenge.
I like it, but as you pointed out the wood is not ideal. Many great suggestions already posted, but I would make the eye bolt, and the board, out of a hard polymer that is strong and fairly easy to screw. However you could make it so tightening the screw is also compressing a spring such that the resistance increases, and add a rule you must insert the eye bolt all the way. In this manner it would be the same for every run. You could even have an adjustment for the spring tension to control difficulty. Interesting video!
I think if you could find a way to have the hand holds be 2 solid puzzle piece like steel objects, and have a cut out that, when properly inserted, will hold body weight without question. Would make it much faster, as can make the key rather simple, but still takes time to figure out how to properly insert, and under load will still be the challenge you are looking for.
Damn, that looked so hard!
It was actually fascinating to watch cause I was rooting for you not to peel out and fall lol.
The challenge reminded me of assembling my Ikea furniture.
Ninja warrior has become just a rock climbing event. Very little agility or reflex tasks. All upper body movements.
This is incredibly impressive, but I can see why it was banned
It's really difficult, really risky, and ultimately really really boring to watch
its just to slow for a ninja obstacle
I like the recent videos where you make obstacles, it’s a good change of pace
I thought it was great, and with a bit of tweaking, could be ready for prime time. Maybe make handled, and larger lag screws that would be easier on the skin, but harder to turn, maybe work on the spacing so a person might choose to skip some holes, but at the cost of having to screw them in more securely. Would be more exciting when it's a race, too. Although, I was still cheering for you to complete it solo - was worried about that last screw.
A few big problems here are that the obstacle is not very durable, not very safe, and not very fun to watch.
Firstly, the more times the screws are screwed into the holes, the more the wood will get damaged, and may eventually give out.
Secondly, the point of ninja warrior is to go as fast as possible, which means that people are incentivized to not screw the screw in all the way, which can lead to the screw putting more pressure on the wood and tearing it, causing them to fall. The athlete could also end up uncrewing themselves if they accidentally start spinning while hanging. Needless to say, an athlete never wants to fall unexpectedly, as this can lead them to fall in a position that might be dangerous to land in.
Thirdly, because it takes so long to get through, with the athlete not swinging, flying through the air, running or jumping, people might find it quite boring to watch.
I think if this had been done with cams it probably would have been picked up, but this also skips the possibility of cheating a crack obstacle with crack technique. Buuut, that's another idea for a challenge
I think that a solution might be to have the device be easier to screw in, and maybe require less precision to put in the hole.
Something like a large-scale version of a BNC connector, but the hole it goes in is in a divot.
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The twisty part of the BNC connector could have a changeable spring to create resistance
I think this idea is great, but the screwing part is taking a long time, so I propose you forget the screwing part and just keep the moving hild thing. You hold the first one, click the second one, then unclick the first to click the third and so on.
Also I the hole are already threaded, it will be easier to screw the rod, and you could have less pointy and sharp bolt.
If you had quick install slots i might be decent. Something that you push in twist and pull down and it is locked. This way you would not hang there for ages screwing god damn screw, which is boring to watch.
Savage!!!
You could have made it harder by having to hand drill the pilot hole, then put the hook in. 💪
If they deem it to difficult or dangerous, you could hang the eyes there but giftwrap it heavily. The athlete must unwrap before he's able to utilise it? Sounds cool for a christmas period 😊
I feel what would make this challenge viable as far as time constraint and making it reusable would be having pre made grooved sockets bolted into the wood the only took like 4-5 twists to screw the hook into.
If they made this out of plastic/metal using large (hand-size), T-shaped screws, this could be a good obstacle that only takes a minute or so
It's an insane challenge, yes, but it lags drama, flair and action, which is exactly the opposite of what Ninja warrior is for ^^
If the screws would be replaced with "machine" screws and nuts It would be potentially much safer I believe and a little easier to screw in, still requiring precision but not as much wrist strength
I think it's a bit to long and complicated for ninja warrior. Maybe it won't take as long if you use metal with good thread but it still kinda bad that you can't finish the obstacle if you lose one of the pieces. Maybe it will work if you pre screw the hooks and spread them apart but i guess in this case you lose the main idea of the obstacle you tried to make
I absolutely love the idea, but there's a few reasons why you probably got denied. If you go on the Home Depot website where you probably got those eye-hooks from, the product actually has a disclaimer that they are not meant to hold human body weight. Obviously they can, but that disclaimer means that Ninja Warrior would have liability if someone got hurt. Another reason, and maybe why the disclaimer exists, is that the more you reuse those holes, the weaker the threads in the wood become, leading to it slipping and you needing to replace the post. Lastly, even with water underneath the contestant, if they do fall while holding the eye-hook, it can cause impalement. No fun.
However, I think it would be cool to implement some sort of hold that is straight, to allow passage in a through-hole, but can open up on the other side so you can hang off of it. Think of a toggle bolt, but with really strong arms to grip onto. It would be a lot safer too!
Thank you for your feedback 💪🔥
@@AntonFomenko Thank you for your amazing videos! You're an inspiration my guy♥️
If you are going to have something like this you need threaded holes and anchors with a machine bolt. Over time those holes are going to weaken and strip causing a potential hazard.
This would be really cool if you had screws that took 3-4 turns to be locked in. And if you had metal inserts for screwing into.
I say that's a cool idea, but I do suggest that you make it safer by just having the eyelets screwed and pre hung but the user has to unlock and use the triple lock carabiners for the length of the section.
Just insane, well done dude.
With some mechanical work you could create a hold that you need to rotate and swing a bar or something for the next move. Like a 10:1 gear.
Why not make it out of metal? That way it could be a lot more consistent. Just get some big heavy bolts with a nice thick tread and weld some nuts onto a plate or something. You could also make the handle one piece by welding it to the bolt and maybe even grind the bolt and nut down a bit so its easier to get in.
It's hard and interesting, but I think for the NW it's probably isn't dynamic enough.
It's a great idea. Machine screw would be more Reliable in such a test successful in this case it's a great concept and it is like a you definitely do not want to have to go back that way option.
It would be worth televising if instead of screws you used some sort of T shaped keys and key holes. It would be faster and easier.
Interesting challenge, even if it was a steel bar with threaded holes eventually there's a chance a thread would get stripped. I don't know if these already exist but what about a key that you would have to twist before it would lock in place?
There are obstacles like this. Goal was to find resistance in pronation/supination. 💪
Impressive as always Anton!! keep doing what you're doing!!
make it 3 times the length and fill every hole with anchor points, it will be hard enough moving the clip on holds, no one would be capible of making it the whole way with 1 finger in each loop
I don't understand why this obstacble is banned :( It's a true challenge of endurance and deserves a spot in level 4
I can see why they blocked this. Too much time and too much potential for failure and injury risk.
There has got to be a way to maintain the pronation/supination pump using proper threads, this is a super cool challenge though! Thanks for sharing.
How about instead of wood it can be metal bar that already has nuts welded in it, and you have to screw in big bolt with a ring on it, but it has to go all the way in to lets say push a button that together with next one screwed in completely that pushes another button lowers a third hold that you can use to move further, so it cant be cheated and you need to hold on for at least 1 minute, but this way it ruins only one of your arms for the next challenge. Seems a bit more fair this way to me
Cool challenge, but I see why they did not approve, the holes will get bigger and bigger each time and there is a risk of falling.
This should be in burnout!
Cool idea, but in a time trial people would be incentivized to screw in the minimum possible to take their weight, which increases the risk someone could hurt themselves
Crazy grip strength. Just screwing on those loops will kill. Let alone holding on to dear life and moving to the next one.
Check out square threads and using all metal (might need to use some material to create friction to make this twisting strenuous rather than “just” technical)