I remember the square looking seats with the light grey/red cloth and the smoked glass partitions well, and i must admit although a little dated now, looks much nicer and more airy than the garish red VTEC have applied indiscriminately. These are elegant trains that look best in simple and understated colours. BR got it right, as did GNER. More recently their appearance has been spoiled somewhat imo. I will miss them badly when they are gone.
You say these trains needed in-cab signalling to run at 140mph. During trials for 140mph running on the East Coast Main Line, there was a Flashing Green aspect which increased the permissible speed allowing the driver to run at 140mph. The usual steady Green aspect reduced the permissible speed to the standard 125mph.
They need in-cab signalling to run at 140mph in normal service. This is mainly because of the difficulties of reliably reading signals at such speeds and because even an extra signalling block is touch-and-go for sufficient stopping distance from 140 in poor adhesion.
it is amazing that the standard of how to build a train was set for all to see and has continued to be used to this day for all to see and yet they come out with rubbish like the javelin and the Class 800 and then expect people to think this is better than what they already know
Its not the new trains which are a problem - its the interior fitments and furnishings which have been designed to lower standards than older trains. I think that as a general statement we can 'thank' the civil servants at the DfT for this.
none ofurbizness I agree it’s appalling. When you buy a new car you expect it to be better than your old one, with trains in this country it is the other way round.
What a smart and beautiful locomotive. They surely looked shiny in the 1990s. With the awesome screaming HST, and the roaring of the 91s. It'll be a shame when virgin introduce those awful cramped, shoddy Class 800 trains. I'm hoping virgin trains east coast keeps all the 225s and 125s.
sorry but no, as I only had time to travel on longer InterCity journeys at weekends and on Bank Holidays - on ordinary week days my 'day job' prevented me from making such journeys.
The year 1999 is a long time ago is nearly 25 previous years ago when it comes to 2024. Now it’s 2023. I honestly remembered British Rail. It’s complicated to say why it’s privatised since Monday 1st January 1996. Privatised has happened for nearly 30 years when it comes to Thursday 1st January 2026. Should British Rail come back again and say goodbye 👋 to bloody privatised train 🚆 companies. Rail staff and passengers use the trains 🚆 perhaps 🤔 could agree on that. 🙂
Much better and more spacious than the horrible XC 220/221 Voyagers, pendolinos and horrible 800s. The 225 is spacious even in standard class with most seats lining up with windows. Not like the cheap and nasty imported crap that’s set to replace them :(
+tobysummers.exe probably just Class 801, as these will be pure electrics - albeit with a single diesel power plant for use when shunting, or in emergencies. Classes 800 and 802 will be bi-modes that mostly replace HST services, the 802's being more powerful because they will used in Devon and Cornwall where there are some steeper gradients. Hull trains will also have some 802's. Some 225's are likely to end up on the Liverpool Street - Norwich - Ipswich route. The rest... I dont know.
+Toby Summers The InterCity 225's were supposed to have in cab signalling... as for the new trains, I do not know. It would not surprise me if the decision makers do not bother to fit it.
Always been a big fan of your videos and this train, ever since it was new when I was little. Always my favourite electric train. Are you going to get the LNER Swallow 225 throwback livery for posterity? It looks fantastic and BR really knew about design.
@@CitytransportInfoplus This is my favourite 225 video because I really feel like I am there and it brings back a lot of memories, especially that station announcement chime!
They aren't getting 345s, they're getting 720s (also Aventras although they will have transverse seating throughout) and 745s/755s, which are Stadler Flirt trains with either bi-mode or electric only traction. All are set to be 12 coaches long
+David Gattenberg +KaluzaFX •Fluxx• Indeed this was from the 1990s when the TV was was 4:3 format. Most of my recent films here at UA-cam have been converted to pseudo 16:9 format, but this process includes cropping (removing) the top and bottom of the image. Because of the camera angles I decided not to do this with this film.
I remember the square looking seats with the light grey/red cloth and the smoked glass partitions well, and i must admit although a little dated now, looks much nicer and more airy than the garish red VTEC have applied indiscriminately. These are elegant trains that look best in simple and understated colours. BR got it right, as did GNER. More recently their appearance has been spoiled somewhat imo. I will miss them badly when they are gone.
I too have fond memories of them
id say nx got it right as well
@@XaviMacBash NX and EC used the same interior as GNER, VTEC were the first to refurb it since GNER
True rail therapy...Big like from Romania...THUMBS UP!!!
Thanks
You say these trains needed in-cab signalling to run at 140mph. During trials for 140mph running on the East Coast Main Line, there was a Flashing Green aspect which increased the permissible speed allowing the driver to run at 140mph. The usual steady Green aspect reduced the permissible speed to the standard 125mph.
They need in-cab signalling to run at 140mph in normal service. This is mainly because of the difficulties of reliably reading signals at such speeds and because even an extra signalling block is touch-and-go for sufficient stopping distance from 140 in poor adhesion.
Love how the DVT door was opened before train stopping on the arriving at newcastle
it is amazing that the standard of how to build a train was set for all to see and has continued to be used to this day for all to see and yet they come out with rubbish like the javelin and the Class 800 and then expect people to think this is better than what they already know
Its not the new trains which are a problem - its the interior fitments and furnishings which have been designed to lower standards than older trains. I think that as a general statement we can 'thank' the civil servants at the DfT for this.
none ofurbizness I agree it’s appalling. When you buy a new car you expect it to be better than your old one, with trains in this country it is the other way round.
What a smart and beautiful locomotive. They surely looked shiny in the 1990s. With the awesome screaming HST, and the roaring of the 91s. It'll be a shame when virgin introduce those awful cramped, shoddy Class 800 trains. I'm hoping virgin trains east coast keeps all the 225s and 125s.
1:08 Is that DVT 82221, the DVT involved in the Great Heck crash in 2001?
no
So much Better than the stupid class 800 trains that make me feel like we're in Japan instead of England .
LNER 377 Agreed.
Long live class 225 and 125 HSTs
The class 800 equivalents in Japan have seats that are better than BR days!
Very nice! I just ordered a used copy of "The Intercity Story" (original printing). Hopefully the book is as good as your video.
+Jeffrey Ornstein Thanks! A new chapter has recently started being written, as new trains will be introduced on this route in 2018.
The as-built, unrefurbished interiors of the Mark 4 coaches (as seen in this video) were the best. Was never the same after the 2003-2006 refurb
Those MK4 coaches were very similar in look to the ones for the APT-P.
brings back memories what a great train the 225 is or should i say the class 91 but thats the loco only
Do you have any weekday First Class footage with clattering tableware and savoury dinner smell?
sorry but no, as I only had time to travel on longer InterCity journeys at weekends and on Bank Holidays - on ordinary week days my 'day job' prevented me from making such journeys.
DVT=Facing King's Cross
Class 91= Facing Edinburgh
This video has 140 likes as 140mph is what the maximum speed
The year 1999 is a long time ago is nearly 25 previous years ago when it comes to 2024. Now it’s 2023. I honestly remembered British Rail. It’s complicated to say why it’s privatised since Monday 1st January 1996. Privatised has happened for nearly 30 years when it comes to Thursday 1st January 2026. Should British Rail come back again and say goodbye 👋 to bloody privatised train 🚆 companies. Rail staff and passengers use the trains 🚆 perhaps 🤔 could agree on that. 🙂
Most defenitly but we need to have british trains again and not french or german or asian ones on our rails.
Much better and more spacious than the horrible XC 220/221 Voyagers, pendolinos and horrible 800s. The 225 is spacious even in standard class with most seats lining up with windows. Not like the cheap and nasty imported crap that’s set to replace them :(
agreed
ELPaso1990TX HST ALL THE WAY
Pendolinos are bigger
Trainspotting 123 pendolinos stock of toilets, are cramped and not fit for purpose
@@EM-yk1dw Yes, but I still think that they're better, as there bigger and they can tilt the curves which is why the replaced 125s and the 86/87s
Soon to be gone and replaced by IEP class 800 and 801 units :(
+tobysummers.exe probably just Class 801, as these will be pure electrics - albeit with a single diesel power plant for use when shunting, or in emergencies.
Classes 800 and 802 will be bi-modes that mostly replace HST services, the 802's being more powerful because they will used in Devon and Cornwall where there are some steeper gradients. Hull trains will also have some 802's.
Some 225's are likely to end up on the Liverpool Street - Norwich - Ipswich route. The rest... I dont know.
12345 67890 wont they have in cab signalling to do 140mph?
+Toby Summers The InterCity 225's were supposed to have in cab signalling... as for the new trains, I do not know. It would not surprise me if the decision makers do not bother to fit it.
Always been a big fan of your videos and this train, ever since it was new when I was little. Always my favourite electric train.
Are you going to get the LNER Swallow 225 throwback livery for posterity? It looks fantastic and BR really knew about design.
I would like to see and photograph it, if at all possible. I already have the retro livery Class 43 / 253 001 HST power car.
@@CitytransportInfoplus This is my favourite 225 video because I really feel like I am there and it brings back a lot of memories, especially that station announcement chime!
I do not like the standard class seats on these units. cramming in as many seats as possible but at least the first class seats are alright.
Are these now used on abellio greater anglia or are those class 91s
at present AGA use Class 90's but there will be new trains 'soon' (few years from now)
citytransportinfo OK good to know I heard there getting class 345s
On Greater Anglia you have Class 90 + Mk3 coaches + Class 82 (Driving Van Trailer)
They aren't getting 345s, they're getting 720s (also Aventras although they will have transverse seating throughout) and 745s/755s, which are Stadler Flirt trains with either bi-mode or electric only traction. All are set to be 12 coaches long
Is a bit noisy
+TheBlackRussian mostly when travelling at higher speeds and I am near an open window.
so 4:3 :(
It's the 90's
+David Gattenberg +KaluzaFX •Fluxx•
Indeed this was from the 1990s when the TV was was 4:3 format.
Most of my recent films here at UA-cam have been converted to pseudo 16:9 format, but this process includes cropping (removing) the top and bottom of the image. Because of the camera angles I decided not to do this with this film.
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