Thank you everyone for the support, it's really appreciated. 🍻 I have one clarification concerning my comments about the off center sticks issue when Deadzones are set to zero. When I said I hope this is fixed in the firmware update, I meant I hope razor adds a way for users to recalibrate the sticks themselves. I think that would fix the issue. Also the tournament wired edition has been added to Amazon, so I added an Amazon link (affiliate link) in the description.
One thing to note is that a polling rate of 250 is still double of what the elite series 2 gets so if you are used to that it's no problem. That's wireless
@@qazserNOS I think it would be okay for competitive first-person shooters where you can kind of take a rest in between rounds. But for casual long form gameplay I have to agree with you
In my experience the stick offsets when the deadzone is set to zero is to be expected with any controller. If a controller has a "true" zero deadzone setting then any minor defects in the stick and spring will become apparent as they prevent the stick from going exactly 100% back to true center each time. The numbers will be different each time you let go of the sticks as they're physically resting in a different positions every time - this is why deadzones were created. Any controller that shows perfect 0's when the deadzone is set to zero is lying to you and is still using a small deadzone. Also worth mentioning is that most games have their own deadzones in addition to the hardware deadzone, so in practice you can set it to zero on the controller and games will not be affected by the imperfections in the sticks/springs, unless you also reduce the game deadzone setting all the way to zero as well. Ideally you just find the lowest settings that don't drift for each game.
I just noticed the "Prevent double deadzones" setting - would be really interesting to see how disabling that affects the results with deadzone set to zero.
Amazing thorough review. What I’ve been looking for as I’m torn between a few pro controllers. So far I’m liking the Razer v3 and its features. I’ve owned Xbox Elites, Xbox core, & Scuf controllers so I hope this takes the cake. 🤞🏼
@@alextorres3919 Thank you so much! I really appreciate that as I'm still new to UA-cam and this video was a lot of work haha. I've owned an Elite series 2 until very recently and I've mentioned it in other videos and this by far beats that out. You're if you're looking to use this on Xbox and PC. This is for sure one of the best ones out right now.
Ever since I bought this controller I’ve been loving it, it’s the best controller I’ve ever used . I have over a hundred controllers over the years from generations of gaming and this one is my favorite.
@@Hudzter wow Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words! awesome! I think especially for a PC players that's going to be the more cost effective option.
@@beizik559 Xbox controllers typically don't work being overclocked. And other reviews like gamer heaven I saw him try to overclock and it didn't work. But maybe that's changed in a firmware update since the review.
I personally think the termed edition is better. It’s $100 less although you can’t take off the thumb stick and it can’t be used wirelessly other than that it’s better imo especially because it actually has rubberized grips
Thanks for the in-depth review, watched the whole thing! The only dealbreaker for me is the 'stubbiness' of the controller. Like, why is Razer so hellbent on this specific design? This is like the 4th or 5th iteration of the Wolverine and the shape is still awkwardly small/ stubby. They've recreated their Deathadder/ Viper shape, but man this shape is just a dealbreaker. Anyways, fantastic review! The quality of the video was amazing, keep it up man.
@@bruh454 Thank you so much!! I got to agree with the shape. I've been trying to get used to it but it's just not enjoyable to use. All the other features I really like the shape is just less than ideal. Especially after holding a more standard Xbox shaped controller afterwards it's just not as comfortable in comparison.
@@chronicmayhem Sad to hear that you cant get used to it. It honestly has every feature I'm looking for in a controller (tactile buttons/ hair triggers/ paddles/ Hall sticks/ low D-Pad), yet the shape just kills it for me. Do you know what the next closest controller would be? SCUF has good features, but no Hall Effect sticks. I'm thinking the Elite v3 will be the only controller to top it if Microsoft ever decides to make one.
Great review! But I currently own both the V3 pro and the Tournament Edition and while they are great for casual gamers, they aren’t great for competitive gamers. There is stick drift and the sticks feel super sensitive while being a lot stiffer than most other controllers.
@@wrayzur Thank you for the kind words! Yeah I noticed unless this you have the dead zones on not zero like one for example It was the only way I was able to have no stick drift, on zero not possible. I experienced it differently where I couldn't use it for casual gameplay because of the comfort but for shorter rounds like in a FPS I can deal with it.
@@chronicmayhem I also reported this to them and told me it's an "expected" behavior, LOL. Are this really hall effect joysticks? out of the box stick drift. smh. Should have gone with other controllers if I knew there would be stick drifts at zero deadzone. smh
For 2024, I'd lean towards the *Xbox Elite Series 2**. Its level of customization, adjustable-tension thumbsticks, and overall build quality make it a top choice, especially for gamers who value precision and comfort. The **Razer Wolverine V3 Pro* is solid too, particularly with its responsive Mecha-Tactile buttons, but the Elite Series 2 just feels more versatile across different gaming scenarios. Ultimately, it depends on your preferences-whether you're after modular features or tactile feedback. What's your pick?
@@kycalo I have had a elite series 2 for several years and it is the more comfortable controller to use. However, I like the buttons and the triggers better off the Wolverine. If comfort was not a factor, I would choose the Wolverine easily. You are right, the elite series 2 does offer far more customization.
Elite has way too much play in sticks, and it's deadzones are enormous. And we are not talking about double click buttons and other "good" stuff on QC department) Although my first elite controller was perfect. I wonder why. Luck with the unit I guess.
@@jeeperscreepers9114 Thank you so much for the kind words, I really appreciate it! Unfortunately I have not reviewed that controller, I've seen reviews on it some time ago but I have not had one for myself.
Seems like a lot games I play ignore the controller deadzone set in the app for example: God Of War, No Man’s Sky, and Elden Ring. Not that I need a low DZ for those games but it’s kind of strange. I guess they only allow the built in game deadzone? Who knows
I would think of In-game Deadzone settings to happen on top of the controller software set Deadzones. For example If I set the Deadzone to 3 in the razer software and then set a Deadzone in game of 2, the actual Deadzone would be 5. What I do is set my Deadzone in the controller software and sent it to zero in all my games so it's consistent everywhere.
@ The games that allow me to set deadzones in seem to follow what the controllers DZ to a degree like you mentioned coming out to 5. The games like I listed don’t have any way to change it in game, and they seem to follow whatever the default in-game DZ is. It’s really neat that Razer added these settings with the V3 but they do kind of seem pointless if certain games ignore the controller DZ and games that allow that adjustment in game I can set there anyways. Don’t get me wrong this is the best controller I’ve used in a long time it’s just this one thing that bothers me.
@@x_Pojan I know @GamerheavenOfficial and @vCuda does things like that. I'm usually pretty comfortable taking apart electronics but when it comes to controllers and have quite there yet. I might in the future, but I was already getting worried about how long this video was going to be.
Have you saved the results of any other controllers tested on the Circularity Error Test? I'm pretty much making a decision on this controller if it's bad against the average. I have the Envision controller from Scuf (8% - 9%) and before that I got the Instinct Pro (11.5% - 13%). Loved the stick precision on those but I really hate the placement of the paddles, the M buttons next to the bumpers are really great. And with the Wolverines V2 and V1 I got 11% to 19% (respectively) Also, it might be worth mentioning that Razer never fixed for the V1 and V2 an issue that surprisingly happens more often than it seems: When you press 2 or more M buttons in a slight amount of time the controller software wrongly recognizes the pressing of a random M button and maintains it pressed until you find out which button is still pressed it and you have to press it again so the software "unpresses" it. Here is YT vid that shows what I mean: ua-cam.com/video/iKK6ng62T_Q/v-deo.htmlsi=-S308P5NNkNTVLYF
@@GallardoGD the other controllers I mentioned in this video I've reviewed before and linked in the description. The gamepad test for each video should be marked in a chapter. I had a scuf envision pro for awhile but had constant icue software issues. Whoa i wasn't aware of that issue that's really interesting. Thats really weird I wonder what's causing that
when they say claw grip buttons they just mean u stretch your fingers a little more than you would to press your bumper not to actually grip the controller like if you're clawing because the purpose of the back buttons is to remove the need to claw in the 1st place If you put your fingers in the extra buttons and look at them the are in the claw position..hence the name
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 oh okay, I suppose that makes sense. I've seen in other people's reviews them still holding this claw style, but I agree the back buttons should remove the need to do that at all
@@chronicmayhem Thanks. I kind of figured we couldn't make macros since this is more for competitive multiplayer, but as a single player only gamer sometimes making a macro is really helpful.
I will say and I kind of mention this in the video but I should have probably elaborated more on it but was worried about how long the video was going to be.. for casual gameplay like holding the controller for a long period of time, I do find it uncomfortable to use. For a multiplayer game where there's short bursts, 5-10 minutes, rounds or whatever it's fine and I think it really excels at competitive multiplayer. But for casual gaming with the way I hold Pro controllers, it can get uncomfortable due to the shorter hand grips @@katanamaru1
@@myteor5576 The circular to me seems to be cutting off some inputs on the outer edge. That's just how I perceive it but I could be wrong. I could see the circular coming in more handy on driving games and things like that 🤷♂️ . I did circular tests with the dead zones at zero and at 1 but the values were the same so I cut those second tests out of the video
@@chronicmayhem yeah I can't imagine the deadzones changing and the circular definitely cut off at the corner angles just tried it out now it's more sensitive to me but could be cause I changed in game deadzone to 0
@@_bhp I didn't notice any disconnections or lag or anything like that. At face value it seemed pretty stable. Agreed It's not the end of the world, 250 HZ is still the standard for a lot of controllers
@@chronicmayhem thanks for the info! of course i would prefer 1000hz any day, but some controllers even with 1000hz are so unstable it isn't even worth it to have a hz that high.
For casual racing, like Forza Horizon 5, would this be a good controller to use? Or would others like the Elite Series 2 or the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra be better? I currently use an old standard Xbox One controller. Google says the average hand size is 7.6 inches in length, which mine are over an inch shorter than, so I'd say I have small hands.
@@classiccj2569 I think this is Miles better than the elite series 2 and the turtle Beach stealth controller. And since you have the option to switch back to analog triggers, it should work perfectly fine for racing games. What makes this controller better than those other two is that if you do want to play a first person shooter turning on the trigger stops you get the mouse, click triggers which the elite series 2 and the turtle Beach do not have. The elite series 2 and the turtle Beach instead use a piece of plastic that slides into place to just act like a trigger stop. And overall this controller has better build quality than those as well. Edit. I missed the small hands question. That's A harder question to answer. You might not have the same issue I had with the hand grips being a little too short for me. You could purchase from Amazon since they have an easy return policy to see if you like it or not comfort wise.
@@chronicmayhem thanks for the speedy reply! I was worried if I ever did want to use it for FPS games which one I would want, even though I most likely won't, but I'm just the type of person to be like, "but what if I do?" If I do upgrade to a new controller I'll probably get this one! Thanks for the edit was well!
@@humanbass according to razor's website yes. That and no RGB logo on the tournament edition. If you're going to use it primarily on PC, I would probably just go with the tournament one
my tournament wired edition keeps randomly disconnecting repeatedly mid-game straight out of the box on my xbox series x. :( unacceptable for a "pro" controller. The back buttons are also a little to easy to click for me. If they honor the warranty and send me a new one that doesn't randomly disconnect then I'll say it's good. But pretty rough first experience.
I really like this controller but find my hands to cramp up very quickly when using it. Thumbstick tension is a little higher than I normally use also. So when playing destiny 2 and sliding sometimes instead I just crouch. But overall, everything else about it is great.
@@seanobreezy I experienced the same thing when trying to lose this controller for more casual gaming in terms of hands cramping up a little bit. For first person shooter rounds in multiplayer, I can deal with it. It's really unfortunate because otherwise I absolutely love this controller.
I don’t know if you still respond since it’s been 2 months, but I’m a fairly casual gamer and not really into messing with my controller unless it’s more convenient for me. I’m just wondering: is the zero dead zone a necessity, or is it just optional? Also, how bad is the stick drift-does it worsen, or does it stay the same?
@BedRockgood It's optional and completely not necessary. I mention it because some people get really anal about having zero dead zone on their controllers. But in reality no it's not necessary and some people may not even like it. On some controllers I don't like having zero dead zone because then the controller becomes very touchy if that makes any sense. This being a hall effect controller you should not need to worry about stick drift really at all theoretically. The chance of getting stick drift on a hall effect joystick versus a traditional joystick is far far far lower. That's the advantage of this technology.
@ Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate you providing a useful response. Many UA-camrs seem unable to offer helpful replies, so thank you for being one of the few who can.
i have small hands, but i used until now V2 Chroma without issues. The thing actually i am concerned is the position of the (not removable) back paddles. I hate the mere thought of press them accidentally. Can you tell me your opinion?
@@pillopilgrim6353 So I've never pressed them accidentally. Maybe it's the way I hold a controller tightly, which when I'm trying to hold the controller tight, I move my hands closer together instead of squeezing them more tightly. So it's never been an issue for me with buttons or pedals on any controller. Luckily, with the really lenient return policies of places like Amazon or Best buy, you could try the controller for quite a while and if you don't like it, you can return it
Seriously great review. Super thorough, thank you! Does anyone know if the wired tournament version will get the faster polling rate on Xbox X? Love the feel and comfort of my elite 2 with longer paddles. I just hate the slower trigger input.
I want to get this controller, but I noticed on Razer's website that the specifications are Windows 11 and above for PC. Does it still work properly with Windows 10 PC's? I have not found any information out there about this question...
@@zackery459 both my PCs are windows 11 So I can't test that unfortunately. I would assume it would still work most windows 10 stuff is windows 11 compatible and visa versa
@@daicy6674 The 1,000 Hertz is only available when the controllers in wired "pc mode" is my understanding. Whether you can switch it to that PC mode and then plug it into the Xbox with the wire and get 1000 HZ I'm not sure .
If you're used to standard Xbox controllers shape wise, you'll probably find the Vader 4 Pro more comfortable. It's also more than half the price and has a higher pulling rate. The build quality on the razor is probably better but I don't have a Vader 4 Pro to compare it with, razor definitely has better build quality than my Vader 3 Pro. The Vader 4 Pro. You also have the ability to change this stick tension. You could order both from Amazon and return the one you don't like. Between the two I would probably pick the Vader.
@@chronicmayhem I have the Vader 4 pro arriving by Wednesday to test side by side. Just got the wired razer v3 delivered today. But you might be right, I think Razer curved the controller too drastically where the middle fingers rest. If the grips were more straight and slightly longer, it could've been perfect. I like so much about it though, I'm going to keep trying to find a comfortable way to use it with extensive testing in high octane space marine 2 lol.
In terms of back buttons, do you prefer wolverine over flydigi apex 4? I'm thinking about these 2, and I'm a little bit more into apex4 but not sure about these 4 back buttons.
@@DanyKochany I Prefer the "side by side" style of the Flydigi and Scuf envision controllers vs the "stacked" style of the wolverine, Elite series 2 etec. That's because like I mentioned I like to only use my middle finger to cover all four buttons and when the back paddles are next to each other instead of stacked that's a little bit easier. But sometimes I can still make the stacked ones work like on the Elite series 2 or my aim controller if they're close enough to each other. Watch my review on the Apex 4, I think it's great for casual and story games, but if you're a competitive multiplayer kind of person, I would steer towards the Vader 4 Pro instead.
@@chronicmayhem Thanks for answering! Well I have AimController PS5 dualsense and everything is fantastic but.... these back buttons/paddles on AimController is made of plastic and it's soft/elastic/not so responsive and it's a little bit frustrating because sometimes it making my gameplay slower ;)- that why I'm thinking of mouse clicks back buttons controller. Damn I need to watch ur Flydigi videos
@@DanyKochany Awesome! Yeah I just got the Vader 4 Pro in and I'm going to make a video on it and I also have an aim PS5 controller as well there's a link to that video in the description, but I'll make sure to compare the two in the Vader video
i have a vader 4 pro on the way. but features wise i would choose the vader 4 pro. the vader is more like a normal xbox controller shape, 1k hz wireless and i like the back buttons better on the flydigi controllers. and you can adjust stick tension on the vader 4 pro. The wolverine probably has better build quality however (based on the vader 3 pro I have)
I own a Flydigi Vader 3 because I really wanted to try a tactile d-pad but I was ALWAYS getting accidental up inputs whenever I'd be playing a fighting game, which is specifically what I want a more precise d-pad for. Does the Wolverine V3's d-pad have any similar issues when trying to press diagonals or quarter circle motions?
@@nugzmedallion8929 I haven't experienced those because it's not as high up as on the fly Digi controllers. Admittedly, I only played first person shooters with this controller so far. So I usually only hit up down left or right and avoided the diagonals but I never accidentally hit a diagonal though
@@chronicmayhem yes controller is very heavy, the grip handles are super thick and that is not good it feels your hand this controller could be the best but they made the grips too big and thick and I think the aiming is hard due to the joysticks being too thick? Look at the girth if the stick compared to other controllers so that means it has no less travel to touch the friction rings
@@molanus40 oh okay I understand. I don't see an option to do that in the Razer software. You might need to do that in the settings of each individual game.
@@Phantom-_- this has much better features than the elite series 2. The only thing you would have to get over it is not being quite the same shape. If I had to pick between those two I would pick the Wolverine easy.
I’ve had both and elite does feel higher quality at first but honestly reliability is terrible, lucky to get a year out of them and I’ve had to return some day because of issues
The razer v2 chroma has the worst thumbstick I’ve ever used I’m telling you. No resistance at all and it messes up your aim if you really play FPS games. That’s what makes me look away from razer controller and just looking at this , it’s exactly thesame
@@elijnr I also don't like sticks with low tension. I haven't tried the V2 wolverines so unfortunately I can't compare them. I can say that this one had more tension than my Vader 3 Pro which is a little too light for me. But I can't comment if it's more or less than the previous version
@@chronicmayhemI really had terrible experience with the v2 chroma thumbstick tensions. I’ll just wait for the Tournament edition to release which is half way cheaper and try it out Great review btw❤️
Stick drift out of the box, i wanted them to replace this with no stick drift but they didn't want to replace it because it's an "expected" behavior LUL. Might as well just advertise that this are not hall effect joysticks. smh
@@brianrompal7480 where your dead zones set to zero? there's been a recalibration method that has been released since this launched. That could fix it.
@@KevKlopper I was talking during it so that the noise gate on my microphone wouldn't engage. If I wasn't talking, it would be completely silent and that noise is not loud enough to deactivate it. In the future, I'll disable all the filters for those tests.
Are you nuts? I tried one of those 1 time. Felt like my fingers were gonna fall off trying to reach those buttons. I love 1 finger use buttons where I flick between the buttons and these didn’t work for me.
Thank you everyone for the support, it's really appreciated. 🍻
I have one clarification concerning my comments about the off center sticks issue when Deadzones are set to zero. When I said I hope this is fixed in the firmware update, I meant I hope razor adds a way for users to recalibrate the sticks themselves. I think that would fix the issue.
Also the tournament wired edition has been added to Amazon, so I added an Amazon link (affiliate link) in the description.
xbox has a calibration tool on the console ....i hope it works with this since its an official product
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One thing to note is that a polling rate of 250 is still double of what the elite series 2 gets so if you are used to that it's no problem. That's wireless
Best review of this online hands down. Well done. 😊
@@Captdrpepper wow thank you! I really appreciate the kind words 🍻
Very solid review. Your video had some info even the bigger channels skipped out on. Good work. Will be picking up this unit myself
@@Mcsweating Thank you so much for the kind words! Its very much appreciated 🍻
Nice to hear some detailed talk about the shape. It's the same as the V2 that I tried out and simply did not find comfortable at all.
@@qazserNOS I think it would be okay for competitive first-person shooters where you can kind of take a rest in between rounds. But for casual long form gameplay I have to agree with you
In my experience the stick offsets when the deadzone is set to zero is to be expected with any controller. If a controller has a "true" zero deadzone setting then any minor defects in the stick and spring will become apparent as they prevent the stick from going exactly 100% back to true center each time. The numbers will be different each time you let go of the sticks as they're physically resting in a different positions every time - this is why deadzones were created. Any controller that shows perfect 0's when the deadzone is set to zero is lying to you and is still using a small deadzone. Also worth mentioning is that most games have their own deadzones in addition to the hardware deadzone, so in practice you can set it to zero on the controller and games will not be affected by the imperfections in the sticks/springs, unless you also reduce the game deadzone setting all the way to zero as well. Ideally you just find the lowest settings that don't drift for each game.
I just noticed the "Prevent double deadzones" setting - would be really interesting to see how disabling that affects the results with deadzone set to zero.
Amazing thorough review. What I’ve been looking for as I’m torn between a few pro controllers. So far I’m liking the Razer v3 and its features. I’ve owned Xbox Elites, Xbox core, & Scuf controllers so I hope this takes the cake. 🤞🏼
@@alextorres3919 Thank you so much! I really appreciate that as I'm still new to UA-cam and this video was a lot of work haha. I've owned an Elite series 2 until very recently and I've mentioned it in other videos and this by far beats that out. You're if you're looking to use this on Xbox and PC. This is for sure one of the best ones out right now.
@@chronicmayhemSo glad to hear. Thank you 🫡
Ever since I bought this controller I’ve been loving it, it’s the best controller I’ve ever used . I have over a hundred controllers over the years from generations of gaming and this one is my favorite.
@@LegacysCorner-i3u hundred controllers 👀
Just ordered the tournament edition based off of your feedback. Great video!
@@Hudzter wow Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words! awesome! I think especially for a PC players that's going to be the more cost effective option.
Great review~~ This guy deserves 100000 subs
@@seanhuang532 wow! Thank you!
you can overclock wireless to 500 polling rate
@@beizik559 Xbox controllers typically don't work being overclocked. And other reviews like gamer heaven I saw him try to overclock and it didn't work. But maybe that's changed in a firmware update since the review.
Excellent review, sir! Keep it up 😁
@@StripedSweater Thanks man! I really appreciate it 🍻⚔️
I personally think the termed edition is better. It’s $100 less although you can’t take off the thumb stick and it can’t be used wirelessly other than that it’s better imo especially because it actually has rubberized grips
@@vision9676 I Agree. Especially for PC only players the TE edition is the better value imo
Nice job dude!!
Thank you so much! I appreciate it 🍻
Thanks for the in-depth review, watched the whole thing! The only dealbreaker for me is the 'stubbiness' of the controller. Like, why is Razer so hellbent on this specific design? This is like the 4th or 5th iteration of the Wolverine and the shape is still awkwardly small/ stubby. They've recreated their Deathadder/ Viper shape, but man this shape is just a dealbreaker. Anyways, fantastic review! The quality of the video was amazing, keep it up man.
@@bruh454 Thank you so much!! I got to agree with the shape. I've been trying to get used to it but it's just not enjoyable to use. All the other features I really like the shape is just less than ideal. Especially after holding a more standard Xbox shaped controller afterwards it's just not as comfortable in comparison.
@@chronicmayhem Sad to hear that you cant get used to it. It honestly has every feature I'm looking for in a controller (tactile buttons/ hair triggers/ paddles/ Hall sticks/ low D-Pad), yet the shape just kills it for me. Do you know what the next closest controller would be? SCUF has good features, but no Hall Effect sticks. I'm thinking the Elite v3 will be the only controller to top it if Microsoft ever decides to make one.
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Great review! But I currently own both the V3 pro and the Tournament Edition and while they are great for casual gamers, they aren’t great for competitive gamers. There is stick drift and the sticks feel super sensitive while being a lot stiffer than most other controllers.
@@wrayzur Thank you for the kind words! Yeah I noticed unless this you have the dead zones on not zero like one for example It was the only way I was able to have no stick drift, on zero not possible. I experienced it differently where I couldn't use it for casual gameplay because of the comfort but for shorter rounds like in a FPS I can deal with it.
@@chronicmayhem I also reported this to them and told me it's an "expected" behavior, LOL. Are this really hall effect joysticks? out of the box stick drift. smh. Should have gone with other controllers if I knew there would be stick drifts at zero deadzone. smh
For 2024, I'd lean towards the *Xbox Elite Series 2**. Its level of customization, adjustable-tension thumbsticks, and overall build quality make it a top choice, especially for gamers who value precision and comfort. The **Razer Wolverine V3 Pro* is solid too, particularly with its responsive Mecha-Tactile buttons, but the Elite Series 2 just feels more versatile across different gaming scenarios. Ultimately, it depends on your preferences-whether you're after modular features or tactile feedback. What's your pick?
@@kycalo I have had a elite series 2 for several years and it is the more comfortable controller to use. However, I like the buttons and the triggers better off the Wolverine. If comfort was not a factor, I would choose the Wolverine easily. You are right, the elite series 2 does offer far more customization.
Elite has way too much play in sticks, and it's deadzones are enormous. And we are not talking about double click buttons and other "good" stuff on QC department)
Although my first elite controller was perfect. I wonder why. Luck with the unit I guess.
You need more subs. Great vid, good content! Did you ever review the gamesir kaleid?
@@jeeperscreepers9114 Thank you so much for the kind words, I really appreciate it!
Unfortunately I have not reviewed that controller, I've seen reviews on it some time ago but I have not had one for myself.
Seems like a lot games I play ignore the controller deadzone set in the app for example: God Of War, No Man’s Sky, and Elden Ring. Not that I need a low DZ for those games but it’s kind of strange. I guess they only allow the built in game deadzone? Who knows
I would think of In-game Deadzone settings to happen on top of the controller software set Deadzones. For example If I set the Deadzone to 3 in the razer software and then set a Deadzone in game of 2, the actual Deadzone would be 5. What I do is set my Deadzone in the controller software and sent it to zero in all my games so it's consistent everywhere.
@ The games that allow me to set deadzones in seem to follow what the controllers DZ to a degree like you mentioned coming out to 5. The games like I listed don’t have any way to change it in game, and they seem to follow whatever the default in-game DZ is. It’s really neat that Razer added these settings with the V3 but they do kind of seem pointless if certain games ignore the controller DZ and games that allow that adjustment in game I can set there anyways. Don’t get me wrong this is the best controller I’ve used in a long time it’s just this one thing that bothers me.
I need a review where someone opens up the controller and shows the motherboard panel etc.
@@x_Pojan I know @GamerheavenOfficial and @vCuda does things like that. I'm usually pretty comfortable taking apart electronics but when it comes to controllers and have quite there yet. I might in the future, but I was already getting worried about how long this video was going to be.
Does this have gyro support?
@@MHKyo1132 sadly no it does not
Have you saved the results of any other controllers tested on the Circularity Error Test? I'm pretty much making a decision on this controller if it's bad against the average. I have the Envision controller from Scuf (8% - 9%) and before that I got the Instinct Pro (11.5% - 13%). Loved the stick precision on those but I really hate the placement of the paddles, the M buttons next to the bumpers are really great. And with the Wolverines V2 and V1 I got 11% to 19% (respectively)
Also, it might be worth mentioning that Razer never fixed for the V1 and V2 an issue that surprisingly happens more often than it seems: When you press 2 or more M buttons in a slight amount of time the controller software wrongly recognizes the pressing of a random M button and maintains it pressed until you find out which button is still pressed it and you have to press it again so the software "unpresses" it. Here is YT vid that shows what I mean:
ua-cam.com/video/iKK6ng62T_Q/v-deo.htmlsi=-S308P5NNkNTVLYF
@@GallardoGD the other controllers I mentioned in this video I've reviewed before and linked in the description. The gamepad test for each video should be marked in a chapter. I had a scuf envision pro for awhile but had constant icue software issues.
Whoa i wasn't aware of that issue that's really interesting. Thats really weird I wonder what's causing that
when they say claw grip buttons they just mean u stretch your fingers a little more than you would to press your bumper not to actually grip the controller like if you're clawing because the purpose of the back buttons is to remove the need to claw in the 1st place
If you put your fingers in the extra buttons and look at them the are in the claw position..hence the name
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 oh okay, I suppose that makes sense. I've seen in other people's reviews them still holding this claw style, but I agree the back buttons should remove the need to do that at all
Can you make macro binds to the extra buttons?
Unfortunately no, I think you can only bind them to other buttons on the controller. Not any keyboard ones. But I will double check for you tonight.
@@chronicmayhem Thanks. I kind of figured we couldn't make macros since this is more for competitive multiplayer, but as a single player only gamer sometimes making a macro is really helpful.
I will say and I kind of mention this in the video but I should have probably elaborated more on it but was worried about how long the video was going to be.. for casual gameplay like holding the controller for a long period of time, I do find it uncomfortable to use. For a multiplayer game where there's short bursts, 5-10 minutes, rounds or whatever it's fine and I think it really excels at competitive multiplayer. But for casual gaming with the way I hold Pro controllers, it can get uncomfortable due to the shorter hand grips
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You figure out the difference in the double deadzone setting? Also suprised youre using the standard instead of circular for fps ill give that a shot
@@myteor5576 The circular to me seems to be cutting off some inputs on the outer edge. That's just how I perceive it but I could be wrong. I could see the circular coming in more handy on driving games and things like that 🤷♂️ . I did circular tests with the dead zones at zero and at 1 but the values were the same so I cut those second tests out of the video
@@chronicmayhem yeah I can't imagine the deadzones changing and the circular definitely cut off at the corner angles just tried it out now it's more sensitive to me but could be cause I changed in game deadzone to 0
6 button and wired or wireless 1000 hz polling rate all great features
@@jeffmartin8377 yep! And all those things work really well. Just keep in mind the 1,000 HZ pulling only works when the controller is wired.
@chronicmayhem it's an interesting wireless dongle how many can run in the same room with out confliction. Test it myself still.
How do you get the dead zones to 1? Mine goes from 0 to 3
@@michaelhill5427 are you on the latest firmware?
polling rate, OK, not great, but a STABLE 250hz is perfectly manageable. is it stable at least? how is the jitter? can test with xinput.
@@_bhp I didn't notice any disconnections or lag or anything like that. At face value it seemed pretty stable. Agreed It's not the end of the world, 250 HZ is still the standard for a lot of controllers
@@chronicmayhem thanks for the info! of course i would prefer 1000hz any day, but some controllers even with 1000hz are so unstable it isn't even worth it to have a hz that high.
You get 1000hz if you use a cable @@_bhp
For casual racing, like Forza Horizon 5, would this be a good controller to use? Or would others like the Elite Series 2 or the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra be better? I currently use an old standard Xbox One controller. Google says the average hand size is 7.6 inches in length, which mine are over an inch shorter than, so I'd say I have small hands.
@@classiccj2569 I think this is Miles better than the elite series 2 and the turtle Beach stealth controller. And since you have the option to switch back to analog triggers, it should work perfectly fine for racing games. What makes this controller better than those other two is that if you do want to play a first person shooter turning on the trigger stops you get the mouse, click triggers which the elite series 2 and the turtle Beach do not have. The elite series 2 and the turtle Beach instead use a piece of plastic that slides into place to just act like a trigger stop. And overall this controller has better build quality than those as well.
Edit. I missed the small hands question. That's A harder question to answer. You might not have the same issue I had with the hand grips being a little too short for me. You could purchase from Amazon since they have an easy return policy to see if you like it or not comfort wise.
@@chronicmayhem thanks for the speedy reply! I was worried if I ever did want to use it for FPS games which one I would want, even though I most likely won't, but I'm just the type of person to be like, "but what if I do?" If I do upgrade to a new controller I'll probably get this one!
Thanks for the edit was well!
The difference between the pro and non pro is just wireless?
@@humanbass according to razor's website yes. That and no RGB logo on the tournament edition. If you're going to use it primarily on PC, I would probably just go with the tournament one
@@chronicmayhemoh thank you. The price difference is massive for just that.
@@humanbass I agree! I was pretty shocked by it actually
my tournament wired edition keeps randomly disconnecting repeatedly mid-game straight out of the box on my xbox series x. :( unacceptable for a "pro" controller. The back buttons are also a little to easy to click for me.
If they honor the warranty and send me a new one that doesn't randomly disconnect then I'll say it's good. But pretty rough first experience.
@@cweb1988 agreed that's unacceptable. Hopefully it's just a faulty unit and the new one will be good
I really like this controller but find my hands to cramp up very quickly when using it. Thumbstick tension is a little higher than I normally use also. So when playing destiny 2 and sliding sometimes instead I just crouch. But overall, everything else about it is great.
@@seanobreezy I experienced the same thing when trying to lose this controller for more casual gaming in terms of hands cramping up a little bit. For first person shooter rounds in multiplayer, I can deal with it. It's really unfortunate because otherwise I absolutely love this controller.
I don’t know if you still respond since it’s been 2 months, but I’m a fairly casual gamer and not really into messing with my controller unless it’s more convenient for me. I’m just wondering: is the zero dead zone a necessity, or is it just optional? Also, how bad is the stick drift-does it worsen, or does it stay the same?
@BedRockgood It's optional and completely not necessary. I mention it because some people get really anal about having zero dead zone on their controllers. But in reality no it's not necessary and some people may not even like it. On some controllers I don't like having zero dead zone because then the controller becomes very touchy if that makes any sense. This being a hall effect controller you should not need to worry about stick drift really at all theoretically. The chance of getting stick drift on a hall effect joystick versus a traditional joystick is far far far lower. That's the advantage of this technology.
@ Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate you providing a useful response. Many UA-camrs seem unable to offer helpful replies, so thank you for being one of the few who can.
Are the stick loose or wobbly like the elite series 2 ?
i have small hands, but i used until now V2 Chroma without issues. The thing actually i am concerned is the position of the (not removable) back paddles. I hate the mere thought of press them accidentally. Can you tell me your opinion?
@@pillopilgrim6353 So I've never pressed them accidentally. Maybe it's the way I hold a controller tightly, which when I'm trying to hold the controller tight, I move my hands closer together instead of squeezing them more tightly. So it's never been an issue for me with buttons or pedals on any controller. Luckily, with the really lenient return policies of places like Amazon or Best buy, you could try the controller for quite a while and if you don't like it, you can return it
Seriously great review. Super thorough, thank you! Does anyone know if the wired tournament version will get the faster polling rate on Xbox X? Love the feel and comfort of my elite 2 with longer paddles. I just hate the slower trigger input.
I want to get this controller, but I noticed on Razer's website that the specifications are Windows 11 and above for PC. Does it still work properly with Windows 10 PC's? I have not found any information out there about this question...
@@zackery459 both my PCs are windows 11 So I can't test that unfortunately. I would assume it would still work most windows 10 stuff is windows 11 compatible and visa versa
I just got the wired version today delivered. It works fine with windows 10.
So consoles can’t use the 1000hz the controller says it does?
@@daicy6674 The 1,000 Hertz is only available when the controllers in wired "pc mode" is my understanding. Whether you can switch it to that PC mode and then plug it into the Xbox with the wire and get 1000 HZ I'm not sure .
Vader v4 pro or this? Please give me your opinion. I’m torn
If you're used to standard Xbox controllers shape wise, you'll probably find the Vader 4 Pro more comfortable. It's also more than half the price and has a higher pulling rate. The build quality on the razor is probably better but I don't have a Vader 4 Pro to compare it with, razor definitely has better build quality than my Vader 3 Pro. The Vader 4 Pro. You also have the ability to change this stick tension. You could order both from Amazon and return the one you don't like. Between the two I would probably pick the Vader.
@@chronicmayhem I have the Vader 4 pro arriving by Wednesday to test side by side. Just got the wired razer v3 delivered today. But you might be right, I think Razer curved the controller too drastically where the middle fingers rest. If the grips were more straight and slightly longer, it could've been perfect. I like so much about it though, I'm going to keep trying to find a comfortable way to use it with extensive testing in high octane space marine 2 lol.
In terms of back buttons, do you prefer wolverine over flydigi apex 4? I'm thinking about these 2, and I'm a little bit more into apex4 but not sure about these 4 back buttons.
@@DanyKochany I Prefer the "side by side" style of the Flydigi and Scuf envision controllers vs the "stacked" style of the wolverine, Elite series 2 etec. That's because like I mentioned I like to only use my middle finger to cover all four buttons and when the back paddles are next to each other instead of stacked that's a little bit easier. But sometimes I can still make the stacked ones work like on the Elite series 2 or my aim controller if they're close enough to each other.
Watch my review on the Apex 4, I think it's great for casual and story games, but if you're a competitive multiplayer kind of person, I would steer towards the Vader 4 Pro instead.
@@chronicmayhem Thanks for answering! Well I have AimController PS5 dualsense and everything is fantastic but.... these back buttons/paddles on AimController is made of plastic and it's soft/elastic/not so responsive and it's a little bit frustrating because sometimes it making my gameplay slower ;)- that why I'm thinking of mouse clicks back buttons controller.
Damn I need to watch ur Flydigi videos
@@DanyKochany Awesome! Yeah I just got the Vader 4 Pro in and I'm going to make a video on it and I also have an aim PS5 controller as well there's a link to that video in the description, but I'll make sure to compare the two in the Vader video
Can you compare this controller to the vader 4 pro? I've not been able to find a video that directly compares them.
i have a vader 4 pro on the way. but features wise i would choose the vader 4 pro. the vader is more like a normal xbox controller shape, 1k hz wireless and i like the back buttons better on the flydigi controllers. and you can adjust stick tension on the vader 4 pro. The wolverine probably has better build quality however (based on the vader 3 pro I have)
Can you apply tournament mode sequence for Xbox gameplay as well or is tournament mode only for pc play?
@@kisoshi898 I don't have a Xbox to test this but I believe so.
@chronicmayhem thank you wost case scenario I'll return it if it d
@@chronicmayhem doesn't
I own a Flydigi Vader 3 because I really wanted to try a tactile d-pad but I was ALWAYS getting accidental up inputs whenever I'd be playing a fighting game, which is specifically what I want a more precise d-pad for. Does the Wolverine V3's d-pad have any similar issues when trying to press diagonals or quarter circle motions?
@@nugzmedallion8929 I haven't experienced those because it's not as high up as on the fly Digi controllers. Admittedly, I only played first person shooters with this controller so far. So I usually only hit up down left or right and avoided the diagonals but I never accidentally hit a diagonal though
Bonjour, est il possible de remplacer les embouts de joysticks sur la version tournament ? :)
@@raphaelthomas4520 sadly no. The thumbcaps on the tournament edition are not removable. You would need to use control freaks.
I updated controller, no drift but I struggle aiming tho like idk it feels inconsistent compared to my g7
@@Mrchiefsaygg I had a little trouble aiming, not because of the increased stick tension i liked that but the overall shape of the controller
@@chronicmayhem yes controller is very heavy, the grip handles are super thick and that is not good it feels your hand this controller could be the best but they made the grips too big and thick and I think the aiming is hard due to the joysticks being too thick? Look at the girth if the stick compared to other controllers so that means it has no less travel to touch the friction rings
good video
Thank you! Very much appreciated
Is there a remap options for the sticks to get it on southpaw?
@@molanus40 Do you mean like reverse the analog sticks?
Yes left stick is right and right stick is left
Some games like starfield does not have a southpaw options
I need to aim with left
@@molanus40 oh okay I understand. I don't see an option to do that in the Razer software. You might need to do that in the settings of each individual game.
do you play fortnite if you do please make a handcam video with you 1v1ing and destroying kids with the new razer controllr v3
Unfortunately I do not play fortnite
in the controller's app, is it possible to swap the axis of each stick?
Should I get this or the elite series 2?
@@Phantom-_- this has much better features than the elite series 2. The only thing you would have to get over it is not being quite the same shape. If I had to pick between those two I would pick the Wolverine easy.
@@chronicmayhem ok thanks I just needed a little insight
I’ve had both and elite does feel higher quality at first but honestly reliability is terrible, lucky to get a year out of them and I’ve had to return some day because of issues
I currently have both and in my opinion the razor v3 te is better than the elite
The razer v2 chroma has the worst thumbstick I’ve ever used I’m telling you. No resistance at all and it messes up your aim if you really play FPS games. That’s what makes me look away from razer controller and just looking at this , it’s exactly thesame
@@elijnr I also don't like sticks with low tension. I haven't tried the V2 wolverines so unfortunately I can't compare them. I can say that this one had more tension than my Vader 3 Pro which is a little too light for me. But I can't comment if it's more or less than the previous version
@@chronicmayhemI really had terrible experience with the v2 chroma thumbstick tensions.
I’ll just wait for the Tournament edition to release which is half way cheaper and try it out
Great review btw❤️
Can you give me the Razer v3 tournament edition controller so I can try it out for my channel?
Seriously?
Would be great if not for the weird ass buttons on the back, feels really weird when playing
I like this design far more than the old Wolverine design
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Stick drift out of the box, i wanted them to replace this with no stick drift but they didn't want to replace it because it's an "expected" behavior LUL. Might as well just advertise that this are not hall effect joysticks. smh
@@brianrompal7480 where your dead zones set to zero? there's been a recalibration method that has been released since this launched. That could fix it.
The sticks are too stiff. No thanks
I prefer more stick tension haha
when you do click sound comparisons please stop talking for a second so we can at least hear one of the clicks
@@KevKlopper I was talking during it so that the noise gate on my microphone wouldn't engage. If I wasn't talking, it would be completely silent and that noise is not loud enough to deactivate it. In the future, I'll disable all the filters for those tests.
I preferred the old Razer back buttons. Don't like ones in the grips.
Bruh you got 10 inch fingers or something to like those back buttons 🤣🤣🤣
Whooooooa
@@bahgoesthesheepfor real !! 🤣🤣 worst back buttons for 90% percent of the ppl
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Are you nuts? I tried one of those 1 time. Felt like my fingers were gonna fall off trying to reach those buttons. I love 1 finger use buttons where I flick between the buttons and these didn’t work for me.