Mooney M20J IFR | Icing Forces Retreat | ATC Audio
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2018
- My first solo IFR flight after receiving certification. Plan was to follow two friends on same route from Lebanon, NH to Saranac Lake, NY. They got into some ice and diverted. I decided to return to home base.
Flight is in a 1983 Mooney M20J aircraft. This was the first time I'd flown this airplane IFR, as well. I did my IFR training in a Cessna 172.
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Your doing man! your radio work was excellent and decision to retreat with signs of icing was the right one.
Thanks Landon!
Thanks for sharing! Love the Mooney.
Thanks for watching!
Just found these videos, loving it. Situation handeled very well!
Joshua Kaplan thank you!
Great video, well done and awesome ADM. No hesitation in your decision, love it!
Thanks Josh :)
Who man ATC is rapid fire! Excellent read-back thanks this is helping me with my radio.
Thanks Michael :)
Great call on the icing, enjoyed the flight video, nice airplane you got there, thanks for sharing!
Thanks Noel :)
Congrats to you on your 'First IFR Solo'.. Saddened to see you had to 'divert' back to LEB. Handled it well! Thanx for your post!
Thanks Sean!
Nice job on the trip👍🏻👍🏻👨🏼✈️
Thanks Marin :)
Thanks for sharing, love the videos
Thanks for watching!
Matt, great video! I have a Mooney 201J as well, need to get my instrument rating. You had some great instruction.
Thanks James.
Awesome Video. I’m buying a Mooney M20F soon!!!
Congrats! They are great planes.
very nice final and landing
Thanks!
Good to see aeronautical decision making while its taking place. Sounded like there was little if any doubt about what the best course of action was for you, given the icing. It was fun watching the procedures of flying IFR. I'm about 11 hrs into my IFR training right now so I appreciate the IMC and potential for vertigo by even a long turn or series of climbs/descents. Thanks for posting!
Thanks Dave. Good luck with your training!
Thanks.
Nice flying .. looked like great IFR conditions for your first flight after checkride .. good decision to turn back also , I wouldnt mess with ice anytime .. nice job ..
Thanks! Yes, I agree!
Great job! I always loved ifr clearances due to the positive control and professionalism of the pilots up there with you. On this flight I would haqve made a same or similar decision in the M20E I drove, but would have continued in the 690 Commander with boots...
Thanks Scott!
Excelent video!
Thanks Jorge!
great vid!
Thanks h2oski1200 :)
Well done
Thanks Landon
Love the ADM demonstrated in the vid! If you ever swing by ASH i’d love to meet up!
Greg Taylor sure thing!
Great video. It was nice to see one shot in familiar air space. :D
Thanks Kelly. Do you fly around here?
@@aloofdork Not yet. I tested in the mid-90s when I was in the Air Force, but missed the mark by thiiiiis much. So I'm doing my due diligence to see if I can get my PPL. Augusta is a long drive from PI so I'm looking into New Brunswick schools. I hope I can sort it out. :D
@@kokyudosa Presque Isle? There is a flight school there..dunno if it's open.
@@aloofdork yes, Presque Isle. I'm from Barre, VT but live here now so I'm looking to get my PPL so I can get back to VT in less than a day of driving. There is no school up here in PI or Caribou, I called. :( I found one just over the border though. Hopefully Canadian hours count!
@@kokyudosa Dang, that's too bad. Good luck finding a flight school. I run a flying club here in NH, but that's even further.
Very good video Matt. I own an '83 J a dozen serial numbers lower than yours and earned my IR two years ago.
Your panel is equipped very close to mine except that I have a GTN 750. Other than that it looks identical.
Your radio skills are very good, but I have two suggestions. The first is to end all transmissions with your tail number. Most of the time, especially when leaving the frequency, you just confirm the frequency and switch over. Secondly, when vacating an altitude, report that altitude. For example "Mooney Zero One Juliet, descend and maintain five thousand" should be responded with "Mooney Zero One Juliet leaving seven thousand for five thousand". Other than that, very good work!
AFLAAV8R thanks and thanks for the tips!
Just bought a m20k 231 out of Portland, ME. I’m from KRUT country. I will have some training to do but hope to meet up someday when you are in the area. Nice video.
Congrats Joel! You might want to check out Mooney Safety Foundation’s courses. They run Mooney specific weekend training courses. You get your Flight Review, and IPC too, if rated. Also, google Mooney CFI. There are many in the region. Glad to meet up sometime. I fly over to Rutland once in a while. Or stop in a LEB sometime.
@@aloofdork Yes, I was hoping to sign up for one of these. I did join the Mooney group and looked at the Mooney CFI site. I did get in touch with Mooney legendary instructor, Ted Corsoanes but he's retired now but may be interested in going up sometime when he's back in his Rutland Vermont home.
@@lisaleedavidson Great. They're good programs. Ted did my flight review a few years ago.
Hi Matt! Real nice flight and prompt decision given the icing conditions. Real good example of how to deal with safety concern due to weather. Did I see you several times reducing first the prop then MP?
Thanks for sharing! Cheers
Thanks! I probably did reduce prop then went back to throttle. I don't worry about being over square. I was taught "never over square" but that rule isn't supported by engine literature, or even the POH if you look at cruise engine settings. Lycoming allows running continuously well over square. Turbos do it all the time with more or less the same cylinders. For big adjustments, such as entering descent where I bring the prop back to 2200 RPM to keep temps up, I'll make sure the MP is brought back before making that big a move.
Good video . Remnided me why I only fly VFR. ( Like to see the ground and where I am going).
Thanks!
Good job''
Thanks Ron.
Can you tell me how you liked the M20J airplane vs 172? and was that a KLN 94 you were using as GPS?
ashaikh95 GPS is a Garmin 430W. I like both Mooney and Cessna, fly both. Cessna good for sightseeing, high wing. Mooney good for speed, efficiency.
Really enjoyed flying IMC with you. Good job! Was this your first IMC x country? Did you have a performance document on your ForeFlight document folder? Thank you for a nice video and edit.
Thank you! This was my first solo IFR XC. I have ForeFlight "Pro", not the performance version. We briefed the flight using FF's briefer.
@@aloofdork Once again, very nice video and edit. If in Florida, stop by KVRB for breakfast or lunch ... I'll buy and then we can go shoot a few approaches. Take a look at Vero Flyboys , my channel.
@@veroflyboys Thanks will do!
So your last name is pronounced Boutchy? Or what ? 😊😁😆 love that Mooney but who does not?! Everybody love mooney!
Say it any way you want 😜
Since this video is 3 years old, I’m sure you have gone back and said “why did I do that?” 😂 I was curious about your decision to cancel IFR when you were being worked by the tower?
Tower appreciates it because they can release flights they'd otherwise have to hold for my landing.
That ice at that altitude would never be a threat to me as long as I knew I had warm air between me and the ground by 2 or 3 thousand. All the ice immediately comes off the aircraft when you drop into air that is 33 degrees or warmer. What would be dangerous would be to descend into icing on an approach ,without a hot prop you would not be able to climb back up to get on top again if you were to make a missed approach. A hot prop is 90% of you ice protection.
Hi Ralph. Are you talking about Mooneys in particular? The couple times I’ve gotten into ice with the Mooney it did not come off quickly.
Most of my IFR flying was in Comanches and Moneys, About 2000 or more with scores of encounters with ice and none of them were any thing that caused me concerns because I had a freezing level below me that was more than 2000 feet above the ground. Always when I descended below the freezing level it immediately came off, but if I passed thru an ice laden cloud and then few on at altitude in clear dry air the ice did not come off right away, but did come after quit some time by evaporation of the ice in fridgid dry air.
I’m reminded of a time when crossing the Appalachians with the freezing level was 4000 feet. I was told the tops were at 9000 ft . After 2 or 3 attempts I was never able to get any higher than 8000 ft. There was very little ice on my wings , but my propel blades were becoming like baseball bats and producing little thrust. In clear air that Comanche 250 would quickly clime to 15,000 no problem. Ice is not much that much of a problem when you have plenty of warm air beneath you, but to fly in air when the freezing level is at the ground is almost certain death. Then you better fear the ice. Ice protection is not to be used to continuously fly thru ice but to get out of it when you encounter it.,Or to get you down thru a solid low cloud on an approach to landing.
How do you like your Mooney?
Love my Mooney. Solid plane. Fast and economical. Great for tall pilots.
Working on my IFR now and looking for a plane. all paths keep leading me back to a Mooney...….I Want the speed, what do you cruise at typically?
landon sock cruises reliably at 150kt tas. I’ll run lean of peak and go a bit slower sometimes, usually 145kt, 8.5 gosh. Otherwise 10.7gph ROP to keep speed up. If you want to spend the fuel it’ll get up to 160kt.
landon sock I’m pretty green with ifr but some ATPs have told me it’s their favorite ifr platform of small aircraft.
Which size iPad are you using?
Mark Hamilton its a 9.7” iPad, not mini, not pro. It’s a little big but I had a mini before and I prefer the larger size for approach charts. They appear just about same size as the paper ones.
Matt Bucy thx...I’m trying to decide if the 9.7 or 10.5 Pro is too big
Mark Hamilton I think a pro would be too big if mounted in pilot yoke. With the 9.2 I can just see the HSI. I think the pro would obscure it unless mounted on the other yoke or to the side.
Matt Bucy I believe the outer dimensions are nearly the same...just the actual screen goes closer to the edge thus, the larger screen. I’ll need to verify that first...?
@@markhamilton8612 yeah, good idea. I cut out a piece of cardboard to simulate iPad size before I bought my recent one to see how I liked the fit. The 11" Pro is 0.4" inches wider and 0.34" taller than the iPad plain model.