Yikes. I was keeping an open mind but when I heard the adversary whisper to me..”see, you can go back to smoking and drinking and God will love you no matter what! It won’t affect where you land for all of eternity!” I took a huge step back. I had to shoot up a prayer to ask which parts of his opinions were true. I got my answer immediately. “The philosophies of men mingled with scripture” Any person struggling with addictions who doesn’t have a FIRM foundation in Christ will take what he said and use it as an excuse to give in to those addictions that block the light of Christ. We are here to be tested and tried because I guarantee that no one will be inheriting kingdoms or principalities unless you prove you are faithful enough and disciplined enough to handle that inheritance. Also, being gifted a mortal body is one of our tests. Can you treat it like the temple it is or will you destroy it with cigarettes, fast food and alcohol? God will still love you if you do but your eternal position will reflect that decision.
I mean, do you really think God *actually* cares about him smoking and drinking? Didn’t Jesus drink wine? Didn’t Joseph Smith drink beer? I don’t personally smoke or drink, and I think they’re bad habits, but I don’t think I’m any more righteous or loved because of it. But that’s just me, I guess.
Awesome stuff. Heavenly Father know each of us. My story started in the womb being 26 weeks early with my twin. He came out healthier than me. I was very sick after our blessings it switched he got worse and I got better. His blessing stated he completed his mission and had to go back to our father's presence. Mine stated that I was to complete a mission assigned here and had work to do. My lineage is different from everyone in my family. I survived death 3 times,have had sacred experiences, and wouldn't change a thing. I know this church is true and the gospel is true. I cannot deny it. HOW CAN WE DENY PRIESTHOOD POWER?
Wow. That's sad about your twin. Sounds like you have been watched over many times. When you have had experiences there is definitely no denying the Lord's power. 😊
@h.r.1523 I feel him with me off and on. Twins have a strong bond. I feel him with me in the Temple specifically. My late mother who died when I was 7. Her wish was for me to serve a mission. Which I completely in northern Chile. I wouldn't change it all. I feel like when we go through trials,tribulations, and suffering in this life. We get a glimpse of understanding the Saviors suffering in Gethsemane. We have our own experiences.
@@michaelescobedo2524 I agree, going through trials helps us to remember what the Lord went through for us. Sometimes when it feels like no one gets it, it's amazing to think he experienced the pain of all humanity. Sounds like you are doing what you should be doing and making your dear mom proud as well as being able to still experience your twin bond. 💗
This is LEARNING used for DECEPTION , no _matter_ YOUR _PERSONAL_ Journey . This was _my_ response , in COMMENT to this Vid >> While he had some interesting experiences that SHOULD have informed a MUCH higher understanding , with ALL of his _learning_ he FAILED to get *WISDOM* . _Claiming_ a deep devotion to the Temple and his experiences there , he hasn't been back since 1991 _?!!?_ With his DEVOTION to *TRUTH* he _rejects_ The Word of *WISDOM* ?? The spirit of REBELLION is the ONE spirit that can survive ALL that he was given and STILL lead him - of The afversary - to find him LITERALLY teaching for _his_ "doctrine" THE *PHILOSOPHIES* of _a_ man , not _even_ adding ANY reference to scripture - but _instead_ relying on the ignorance of an audience easily manipulated by enthusiasm mixed with a little manipulative learning . I listened to the ENTIRE presentation , and found a number of his philosophies _interesting_ , even COMPELLING, and *clearly* saw the _deception_ thereby . If THIS is the best you can offer as CONTENT - abdicating your _own_ responsibilities to *TRUTH* ( "Who's to _SAY_ 'What is THRUTH' " ? - *YOU* are , by The Spirit and by *_YOUR_* _commitment_ AND personal responsibility _to_ *TRUTH* . ) , then THIS becomes the HALLMARK of _YOUR_ offering , in an effort to - _if it were _*_possible_* - to DECEIVE the _VERY ELECT_ . I want no part in this deception , but fear leaving , as I'd no longer be able to call out further deceptions thru your mal-informed and your _audience's_ awe-struck *ignorance* . I'll have to decide .
Those life changing cross road experiences. I remember being addicted to drugs, alcohol and partying. I remember I ws selling drugs in the night clubs and it was about 4 am on a Sunday morning I was with a younger nephew who was sleeping in the back of the car. I remember opening the middle console of my car to see if my drug bags were still there. All of a sudden my life flashed and I heard my self in my head say " what are you doing" in that very moment I stopped everything. It was a life changing moment. I am no longer addicted to drugs or alcohol and don't party or sell drugs anymore. I will never forget thT moment.
This guy's story is like a compilation of all of the tall mission tales put together into one. He meets with the bishop once without having ever been to church before and never having repented of anything and then all of a sudden he gets a temple recommend and a mission call out of nowhere? Then his MTC mission president had Jesus come to him to ask him what happened last night and he just sends him into the field without any training? This is just way too fantastical.
Well I’ve known him for 24 years and I’ve heard these stay consistent over time. Family friends and mission comps have confirmed them….we’re having him back on Monday & Tuesday. Get ready for more WILD stories
@@ZionMedia_ I don't think that being consistent proves he's telling the truth. His mission companions might be able to confirm some things in his story but he can easily weave truth in with a bunch of lies. What proof do we have that he recieved his mission call without any prior repentance or having applied for it? What proof do we have that he got a temple recommend without any repentance? I need to hear a testimony from his MTC president that he saw Jesus. These are stories that are so incredibly far fetched and ridiculous that I cannot believe them without any sort of evidence.
The reason for mortality is to learn to love. As spirits, we didn't really understand love. The commandments, the Holy Ghost, the ordinances of the gospel, the priesthood, and the life of Jesus Christ itself are all tokens of God's love for us. Satan wasn't rebelling against God, so much as rebelling against God's love. The temple is necessary for us to understand the love of God. The secret to eternal life is not to sin without shame, but to love as God loves.
Went to the same high school as Bryan. Was also was called to the same mission (Auckland, New Zealand) as him a year or so later after him. He’s currently married to a woman from the home ward in Orem that I was raised in and knew. Nice guy. Remember meeting him for the first time. My sister was a friend of his high school girlfriend. Some of the Elders in the flat when I first got to New Zealand in 1990, when they found out I was from Orem, Utah, asked me do you know him? I said only through reputation alone, as I was asked by his former girlfriend to say hello to him when I got there. It’s true that our mission president was a visionary man. He was also incredibly inspired and tolerant. On reflection, I think Herschel Pedersen was sent by the church a lot of off color missionaries who would have been sent home otherwise by other mission presidents. Under him, and to his great credit, they could serve out honorably in their own way. I would like to hear more from Bryan Ferre.
All of that is nice 👍 , and I'm glad allot of Missionaries were able to benefit . HOWEVER - This was _my_ response , in COMMENT to this Vid >> While he had some interesting experiences that SHOULD have informed a MUCH higher understanding , with ALL of his _learning_ he FAILED to get *WISDOM* . _Claiming_ a deep devotion to the Temple and his experiences there , he hasn't been back since 1991 _?!!?_ With his DEVOTION to *TRUTH* he _rejects_ The Word of *WISDOM* ?? The spirit of REBELLION is the ONE spirit that can survive ALL that he was given and STILL lead him - of The afversary - to find him LITERALLY teaching for _his_ "doctrine" THE *PHILOSOPHIES* of _a_ man , not _even_ adding ANY reference to scripture - but _instead_ relying on the ignorance of an audience easily manipulated by enthusiasm mixed with a little manipulative learning . I listened to the ENTIRE presentation , and found a number of his philosophies _interesting_ , even COMPELLING, and *clearly* saw the _deception_ thereby . If THIS is the best you can offer as CONTENT - abdicating your _own_ responsibilities to *TRUTH* ( "Who's to _SAY_ 'What is THRUTH' " ? - *YOU* are , by The Spirit and by *_YOUR_* _commitment_ AND personal responsibility _to_ *TRUTH* . ) , then THIS becomes the HALLMARK of _YOUR_ offering , in an effort to - _if it were _*_possible_* - to DECEIVE the _VERY ELECT_ . I want no part in this deception , but fear leaving , as I'd no longer be able to call out further deceptions thru your mal-informed and your _audience's_ awe-struck *ignorance* . I'll have to decide .
I gotta say, the first half of this video was great! I disagree with so much that he said in the last half. The whole thing about there being no "bad" or "sin" then how does he explain away Alma 42:17. I believe he's had some spiritual experiences but he sounds almost like my brother, god rest his soul. My brother was a rebellious youth. But after he turned his life around in his mid 20s he served a mission and was blessed with some amazing spiritual gifts. But my brother's problem was that he was prideful. Because of sinking so low then coming back from the brink of destruction and having amazing spiritual gifts, he thought he knew more than others.
Their is a lot on my mind on this one a lot of what he said residents with me and how I interact with people. But I love the point he made is we need to have a spirit of understanding and respect for each other so we can become better people for all those around us. Because I have done that my whole life so far it has hurt me more than I could have imagined. I have been stepped on made fun of and now because of this it’s gotten to a point for me it’s hard to trust people. Especially those I work with. I am trying to get to that point again in my life. I struggle with trust. Because I have been burned by others around me.
I have to say..I have struggled with the pain of disrespect and love..I have thought many times...look what I have done for you and you treat me like this??? Then HF pointed out..havent I done the same to Him?...to me it was my ego..I've love my family members who have hurt me so much but I can't make them love and respect me and it is my ego that expects that from them .Who am I ...I AM A CHILD OF THE MOST HIGH WITH AN UNKNOWN JOURNEY BEFORE ME. CHOICE, LOVE AND FAITH ARE BEFORE ME. I have so much to learn. 😂😂😂
"Knowledge does away with darkness, suspense and doubt. For where knowledge is, there is not doubt nor suspense nor darkness. There is no pain so awful as the pain of suspense. This is the condemnation of the wicked. Their doubt and anxiety and suspense causes weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. In knowledge there is power." -Joseph Smith
I love this, it reminds me of the idea I've always had that Heavenly Father has given each of us our movie to direct and it is ours, we get to choose what we do.
I agreed with some of what Bryan taught, but we parted ways about half way through when he started preaching his humanist philosophy. It’s convenient to use rational-lies to justify why the commandments don’t apply to you. One other comment; Solomon did not ask for Wisdom. When the Lord asked what he wanted, Solomon asked for an understanding heart to judge his people (I Kings 3:9). The Lord gave him a wise and understanding heart (v. 12).
This is so much over-intellectualizing. While it's fascinating and partially true, remember that he hasn't been btobthevtemple since 1991, after saying he spent entire weeks there and it was so awesome. He's heading to his own understanding. Satan is real and I have had up close experiences with him. I've also had experiences with the Holy Ghost when a friend and I both were overcome by it.
Exactly. He may have had some good experiences in the beginning but since then he has expanded using his own intellect and not relying on the spirit. Some of what he is saying is totally false. This is where we need the gift of discernment.@@jeaniehyer7920
The lamp of the body is the eye and if the eye be single (to the glory of God) the whole body will be filled with light. -> we judge what we SEE. And the result - is EMOTION. So a judgment that is anything other than giving glory to GOD causes us to experience emotion that contributes to darkness. So the key is -> Acknowledge that ALL Things are both created by God and give glory to God. That is the key to Christ Like Judgment and the way to free yourself from darkness.
Sorry but I don't believe a word this guy is saying. He doesn't teach repentance and coming unto Christ with a broken heart and contrite spirit. I'm gonna follow actual prophets who hold keys.
Good thing no one told you to follow this guy…this is a conversation with a friend who clearly isn’t a prophet but a cool guy with some really neat stories & some interesting takes. And it is true…I’ve known him for over 20 years and know his family and friends.
@thegreatitudecoach This brother is sharing theories he has come up with. It is up to us to confirm the validity. Prophets and apostles teach us principles and doctrine. Theories can come from regular members. See Doctrine and Covenants 88: 77 And I give unto you a commandment that you shall teach one another the doctrine of the kingdom. 78 Teach ye diligently and my grace shall attend you, that you may be instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient for you to understand;
@@thegreatitudecoach - This was *my* response in my own "comment" . ( "PRAY about it" is the LAZIEST call out by soneno not ONLY ignorant, but too lazy to FORM a detailed and well *founded* position on the matter . ) >> While he had some interesting experiences that SHOULD have informed a MUCH higher understanding , with ALL of his _learning_ he FAILED to get *WISDOM* . _Claiming_ a deep devotion to the Temple and his experiences there , he hasn't been back since 1991 _?!!?_ With his DEVOTION to *TRUTH* he _rejects_ The Word of *WISDOM* ?? The spirit of REBELLION is the ONE spirit that can survive ALL that he was given and STILL lead him - of The afversary - to find him LITERALLY teaching for _his_ "doctrine" THE *PHILOSOPHIES* of _a_ man , not _even_ adding ANY reference to scripture - but _instead_ relying on the ignorance of an audience easily manipulated by enthusiasm mixed with a little manipulative learning . I listened to the ENTIRE presentation , and found a number of his philosophies _interesting_ , even COMPELLING, and *clearly* saw the _deception_ thereby . If THIS is the best you can offer as CONTENT - abdicating your _own_ responsibilities to *TRUTH* ( "Who's to _SAY_ 'What is THRUTH' " ? - *YOU* are , by The Spirit and by *_YOUR_* _commitment_ AND personal responsobility _to_ *TRUTH* . ) , then THIS becomes the HALLMARK of _YOUR_ offering , in an effort to - _if it were _*_possible_* - to DECEIVE the _VERY ELECT_ . I want no part in this deception , but fear leaving , as I'd no longer be able to call out further deceptions thru your mal-informed and your _audience's_ awe-struck *ignorance* . I'll have to decide .
@@ZionMedia_ Great - you know the guy. 👍 Cool . *IRRELEVANT* . This was my comment to this vid , taking the same position with a slightly different viewpoint : >> While he had some interesting experiences that SHOULD have informed a MUCH higher understanding , with ALL of his _learning_ he FAILED to get *WISDOM* . _Claiming_ a deep devotion to the Temple and his experiences there , he hasn't been back since 1991 _?!!?_ With his DEVOTION to *TRUTH* he _rejects_ The Word of *WISDOM* ?? The spirit of REBELLION is the ONE spirit that can survive ALL that he was given and STILL lead him - of The afversary - to find him LITERALLY teaching for _his_ "doctrine" THE *PHILOSOPHIES* of _a_ man , not _even_ adding ANY reference to scripture - but _instead_ relying on the ignorance of an audience easily manipulated by enthusiasm mixed with a little manipulative learning . I listened to the ENTIRE presentation , and found a number of his philosophies _interesting_ , even COMPELLING, and *clearly* saw the _deception_ thereby . If THIS is the best you can offer as CONTENT - abdicating your _own_ responsibilities to *TRUTH* ( "Who's to _SAY_ 'What is THRUTH' " ? - *YOU* are , by The Spirit and by *_YOUR_* _commitment_ AND personal responsobility _to_ *TRUTH* . ) , then THIS becomes the HALLMARK of _YOUR_ offering , in an effort to - _if it were _*_possible_* - to DECEIVE the _VERY ELECT_ . I want no part in this deception , but fear leaving , as I'd no longer be able to call out further deceptions thru your mal-informed and your _audience's_ awe-struck *ignorance* . I'll have to decide .
I don't love the man who murdered my brother because he " was looking for someone to kill that day". He is responsible for the pain he caused. He is responsible for the pain he caused again when we had to do live impact statements during the covid get out of jail craze. (He wasn't released). There is JUSTICE and mercy. Not everyone with a difficult past kills people. Sorry but I'm hearing a lot of the "he will beat us with a few stripes...". Routine here. Interesting perspective but I disagree. I caught early on when he said under his breath "stories" when referring to the OT accounts. I suggest he keep up with archeology. Maybe he is having a dream and needs to wake up?
@@ZionMedia_ that was kind of an immature response. We are supposed to judge righteously which includes judging whether something we hear is true and will lead us to righteousness or whether it will not. Don't you want your listeners to do that? For someone to make a judgment that something might lead to apostacy is not a bad form of judgment. It sounds more like you are feeling defensive that something you posted was judged that way.
I love your channel and appreciate your guests. You may not appreciate the following advice but it’s out of respect and love for your work. I think it would benefit your listeners and add respect to your show if you were less agreeable and more neutral to some ideas. Neutrality would allow you to avoid being disagreeable toward your guest while helping your listeners know you aren’t blown around by every theory and doctrine. I understand this man is a friend and I’m glad he is but much of the doctrine he’s teaching was prophesied to Nephi by the angel as the false doctrine the devil will teach and the people will believe in the last days. I think it hurts your channels credibility to be agreeable to those ideas.
A minor correction: President Pinegar was not a small man. He was 6' 4" and a basketball player. Bryan wasn't in the MTC long enough to realize his true size. I would be interested in hearing more about his mission, and specifically, what his mission president said that he was uniquely called to do (along with 11 others) that made them different from the hundreds of other missionaries in that mission.
Yes, Ed Pinegar was a very tall man and had been a basketball player. He did have a very unusual voice for a man of his height. I wonder if President Pinegar was sitting in a very low seated chair that made him look like he wasn’t that tall.
Yes disobedience to the law holds us back. Some of these New Age religions like to say guilt & shame is what keeps Christians believing in God. But they like to say if you remove those things and look at yourself as a God all is good. It is a huge deception from the adversary One of his old tricks. 🥺 Apparently UA-cam doesn't like edits, so reposting after auto correct messed my post up 😅
So much here! I love the diversity of your guests. I love “learning” (not too much knowledge 😂) from them. But, wow! 🤯 I am going to have to think about this one.
He sounds like he has been studying the Course in Miracles which teach there is no sin and no devil and no saviour. I know someone who left the LDS church for that stuff and 7 yrs later is possessed by spirits, aka schitzophrenic.
I am so looking forward to greater understanding of Heavenly Mother and how she plays into everyting - creation, our mortal probations, and our exaltation. Soooo many truths will be restored over the next 10 years and into the millennium, that have been lost, or never yet revealed.
ah gee, this started out so good...inspiring even, but then we get into these super "out there" personal interpretations of very clear doctrines as presented in the scriptures and taught by the church. Sorry, think this guy is way off.
It’s as the parable of the seed. Sone places it will sprout and flourish, other ground and or soil is not prepared for such a sprouting. And it’s okay.
President Pinegar was awesome, so much intense spiritual situations occurred at the MTC. I was there in early 1990, and had a very memorable experience with one of my companions who was sent home from the MTC. He just wasn’t supposed to be there at that time. We had a similar Zone intervention with this young man, and took the experience to President Pinegar, who said that we couldn’t tell him that this Elder wasn’t supposed to be there. I told him that all we were asking was for him to talk with the young man. He did and later called me back into the office and actually apologized and said that yes, he needed to go home, and thanked us for bringing the concern to him. Was an amazing experience. One of my other companions lived near the MTC also, his grandmother lived next door, his house was visible from the campus and his girlfriend would drive past when we were walking and wave to him!
In the western world (Greek) we tend to think there is only one true (right way) to understand things. Applying this to scripture would mean that one symbol has only ONE meaning. However, in eastern cultures (Hebrew, Oriental and even some Native American ) I have learned that their languages are more like poetry. Applying this to scripture may mean that there are up to SEVEN layers of interpretation. These aspects may include our internal structure (as your guest highlights), a family, a government, a church, a nation, the world...
So that is interesting about Bryan Ferre’s spin on the temple endowment being symbolic everything. But then again, it’s all real, including the devil. Bryan is a little too humanistic for me.
I can understand what Bryan is saying, but it is my understanding that we as Adam & Eve wouldn't have been able, or allowed to have children from that point, unless we were sent through the process of being mortal , and learn how to manage all the power we actually had . We wouldn't have appreciated the power & things put before us if we hadn't gone through this human process. I consider myself to be a very open minded person, and I can agree with some of his ideas.... but I can't agree about the tree of knowledge. I believe there's a great deal more to the tree of knowledge and what it's meant to represent.
That part about the patriarchal blessing and the ither blessing is soooo cool! Thank you for sharing! The Lord knows who we are. We just need to be instruments in his hands.
I think that wisdom was not enough for King Solomon because he was given power, money and sex. All too much of it. Not enough opposition in his life to humble himself. Absolute power absolutely corrupts.
No bad? - yes there is. But if we turn from the bad and use its lessons to become good then the bad is turned for our good. In that sense alone ...sure no such thing as bad. But in the sense that we shouldn't eshew evil because its actually not bad? No that is a vain doctrine.
I can say that I can read scriptures and put myself in their place, or even think of myself as Chrst was... but I can't equate myself to be as God, or on God's level. I feel that it's completely disrespectful, and I cannot day that God would be narcissistic if he sent me here to learn and go through trials to find out if I would be a obedient child and choose the right. I really have a hard time bringing myself UP to Gods level or Him DOWN to my level. But that we have the same potential to become as God is!All things were created for our good... whichever way we choose. We experience the consequences of what ever that choice brings us. And some of us on this planet haven't got the ability or capability to love.oving is often a "learned" art or ability.
Haha. When was pinegar? I was there in 1992. Can’t remember if Pinegar was before or after my time. In our building, by the showers, we met an elder who was not talking white shirts and ties. He was in combat boots and camouflage, hunting knifes for killing huge snakes if needed, to be dropped into the Amazon not to be seen for many months at a time by “civilization” with telecommunications. He was a super bad-ass, like an Ammon, figure, and looked the part (in the Arnold Freiburg painting), big, strong, robust, blonde, muscular, humble, quiet and without ego or fanfare.
@@davincimen4495 lol awesome. I've heard of military garments to blend in, but didn't realize they also actually sent Elders dressed the part to that extreme. I knew some of the island assignments were a little different. Wonder if they are going back to this with the "newer" laxed dress code 🤔
With the comment about looking at sin with the least allowance.......in the sense of the Word of Wisdom, the beginning paragraph initially said, "not to be used as judgement", why then are Bishops, and Stake Presidents using it to judge whether or not one is worthy to enter into the house of the Lord. Not following that to the letter of it's precepts does not mean that we don't Love the Lord, follow the Lord, and keep all of the commandments he has scripturally given us. Which leads us to feel unworthy (judge ourself). If one truly felt they were keeping all of Gods commandments and yet were weak with the things in the WOW, but still felt worthy, would they then be able to enter into the house of the Lord. Could the WOW be symbolic of us doing those things that are not good for us when the knowledge we have tells us not to. Because Sugar is a great example, we know the damage it can cause, as well as many more. The other thought I had one time was that we are physically the body of Jesus Christ. He literally blew life (light) into us which was of his creation, his substance. So if we are the body of Christ (physically not metaphorically), every cell matters, hating out enemy would be like not liking our pinky finger and wanting to cut it off our own body.
I feel like I’m trying to learn who I am. God already knows me. I’m proving myself to me. Like Abraham’s lesson was to find out what he would do with Isaac. God already knew.
God is love, but what does that mean? It’s doesn’t mean nothing is bad and it’s all good no matter what we do. Christ came so we can overcome all things including sin. He didn’t come so we can justify everything. This path will lead to misery and destruction.
And I actually don't have a problem with us doing what the serpent tells us to do because I feel that it is a representation of this life. We have fallen and we given in to our base desires, but God saves us from that.
Plenty of good stuff there about not judging oneself - to recognize the 'why' of our choices needs to be more elevated; but the conclusions are misleading. Ultimately we can't sin against the light we are given and that is what we are judged against; as the Father said - we will be our own judges in the end. We will turn from Him and walk to whatever world of glory we wanted. Some of what you say is just not true though - when you come to the conclusion.
This guy is a great story teller. However the stories don’t hang together. Missionaries that tell fantastical stories like his mostly did nothing on their missions except make up fantastical stories such as this. I could take each of his stories apart and explain how they are not based in reality. They are however entertaining. Which is the point.
Well I’ve known Bryan for 20+ years, know people from his mission, his family, etc. In all my years with him he’s never exaggerated or lied. Believe what you want - Doubt where you will. We know what Jesus said about judgement. Glad you thought it was entertaining 🙏🏻
@@ZionMedia_ no exaggeration? Right!!! Exaggeration stories like this is what gives the churched the missionaries bad name. I’m pretty sure none of the stories happened.
There are members who aren't endowed yet watching this and I don't think it's right to share any part of what happens in the ceremony no matter how small it is.
PLEASE do an episode of Wizard of Oz!!!! Also, if there is no good or evil, why do we need a Messiah/Atoning Sacrafice? What about that scripture that says if there be no evil, there be no good, and if there be no good, there would be no God? He lost me there. I've heard this before...this doctrine about there not being any good or evil, that this is a man-made construct...if that were true, there would be no need for an Atonement, right? Does this smoking prophet not believe in a Messiah?
Telestial = what's things done for them. Terrestrial = wants to do things themselves for themselves. Celestial = wants to do things for others. It comes to where your heart is and what you desire. As you grow closer to Christ you become like him. And you will care for others above yourself. And God will grant you greater knowledge and power because you will seek to bless others as he would have them be blessed.
Thumbs down. This guy denied the stories of the Bible really happened. Your UA-cam channel is clearly intended to get followers so you can make money from UA-cam advertisements and that is called Priestcraft. Trying to spread the gospel to make money is Priestcraft. You need to repent.
Why don’t you go tell that to all the Come Follow Me UA-cam channels you Pharisee. Shane & I don’t need the money - but David is getting 100% of the UA-cam dollars to help support his family.
You don’t have to agree with everything on this channel. If you find a channel you agree with 100% of the time you aren’t really growing. Just disagree and move on. If someone spends their time doing this, why shouldn’t they get rewarded. If you have watched “The Chosen” you’ve had to pay for a platform to watch it on. Don’t call it Priestcraft. Deseret Book isn’t engaging in Priestcraft when it sells General Authorities books. People have to make livings
The Myth of Knowing = you think you know, but I am here to tell you, "I know you don't know anything until you realize YOU are the Father, YOU are the Son and YOU are the Holy Ghost. Good luck with that blasphemy buddy.
Neville believed that our imaginations are the key to manifesting our desires. He taught that we should visualize ourselves as already having what we want, and feel the emotions that come with it.
With the church now dividing so much, more people coming out with incredible faith stories & plenty of avenues to tell their stories, the common denomination is they're essentially inactive members. Not anti, they still have their testimony but they don't participate in church or perhaps the temple anymore. What's up with that?
My patriarchal blessing told me that I would be tested, which I never realized how much I would suffer. Yet three times I was toldnever to give up. If zi did I would lose blessings because I was of the seed of Abraham and of a noble family. So I don't agree with what you said. Job lived because the Lord told Joseph Smith that he hadn't 😮suffered as much as Job. Because of my suffering, however, I have true charity.
Oh man. I’m 5/6th the way through. Beautiful. Mystics have given me a flavor of Jesus that is amazing. Mystics also have shared amazing things with me that went against my tradition and dogmas.
I want a 4 hour episode with the smoking prophet based on: “Oh, you want religion, do you?” ~Satan Then with the observation, of the LDS , like the ancient Jews, answering: “yes, yea, yes, give me religion” and thus we are as Jacob describes: 14 But behold, the Jews were a stiffnecked people; and they despised the words of plainness, and killed the prophets, and sought for things that they could not understand. Wherefore, because of their blindness, which blindness came by looking beyond the mark, they must needs fall; for God hath taken away his plainness from them, and delivered unto them many things which they cannot understand, because they desired it. And because they desired it God hath done it, that they may stumble. (Jacob 4:14). Joseph Smith, did he deliver a path up and out of religion altogether, entirely, for those who rejected the prospect of religion, (always delivered by darkness), and who instead, wanted God direct, with no middle men?
If its all made up then why the restoration? why the first vision? Why bother with any learning at all? Well - after studying a lot I will agree with the basic feeling Bryan has regarding knowledge. It is so much better to be faithful and believing without lots of worldly knowledge even if that knowledge confirms the scriptures and prophets; Because its more satisfying to feel the burning of the Spirit than to try and piece together the specific thing that is right or wrong to do from knowledge. I mean are we supposed to be like the Anit-Nephi-Lehi's and get killed or like Moroni and conquer?
@@ZionMedia_ By the way I just listened to an episode of Talking Scripture that gives the true explanation and conclusion of what Bryan has said, but without the self-excusing 'eat drink and be merry' issues. On Talking Scripture they shared a quote by C.S. Lewis which explains how our sins and pains in this life will be turned to great joy or to make our time here like heaven to us; will make it become sweet to us - IF - If we have turned to the Savior and repented sufficiently to become commandment keepers. Its at 48:52 into their Episode 281. That is the true interpretation of Bryans process of knowledge. It bothers me that we would use an uplifting truth to try to escape accountability or I wouldn't go on here. Mercy cannot rob justice. But I wouldn't want to be too discouraging either nor get too wordy here so the better conclusion is: Everyone is equally valuable (equally loved from the Savior down to Judas) but not everyone is equally honorable; we never lose our value to God (his love for us) but we can lose our honor through sin and refusal to repent. This is what we really mean by 'worthiness' - its just a simple weakness of our language to have to explain it this way. We all know in our hearts that faith in Christ with obedience and repentance is necessary to obtain the Celestial Kingdom.
I liked your comment that everyone is equally valuable but not equally honorable. Honor is where God gets his power and it is what Satan sought but could not attain.
Yikes, he really mucked things up big time! The Plan of Salvation?...Done. No longer needed. Jesus Christ?...Done. No longer needed. Heavey Father?... Done. No longer needed. Every time he could have turned the podcast back to Christ...let's go a little deeper into Korihor's teachings. @trevorkeyes 59:41 finally a bit of pushback to his twisted gospel truths, where he had previous, at least an hour to spew and lie about things so precious. Holy Moly!
Yikes. I was keeping an open mind but when I heard the adversary whisper to me..”see, you can go back to smoking and drinking and God will love you no matter what! It won’t affect where you land for all of eternity!” I took a huge step back. I had to shoot up a prayer to ask which parts of his opinions were true. I got my answer immediately. “The philosophies of men mingled with scripture” Any person struggling with addictions who doesn’t have a FIRM foundation in Christ will take what he said and use it as an excuse to give in to those addictions that block the light of Christ. We are here to be tested and tried because I guarantee that no one will be inheriting kingdoms or principalities unless you prove you are faithful enough and disciplined enough to handle that inheritance. Also, being gifted a mortal body is one of our tests. Can you treat it like the temple it is or will you destroy it with cigarettes, fast food and alcohol? God will still love you if you do but your eternal position will reflect that decision.
I can see your point - we sure love him tho
I mean, do you really think God *actually* cares about him smoking and drinking? Didn’t Jesus drink wine? Didn’t Joseph Smith drink beer? I don’t personally smoke or drink, and I think they’re bad habits, but I don’t think I’m any more righteous or loved because of it. But that’s just me, I guess.
@OmahaAreaLoya they didn't have the word of wisdom yet, it's about obedience
@@marlenharrison4753 Joseph Smith drank beer *after* having received the Word of Wisdom.
I did hear him say that he hasn't been to the temple since 1991, I would rather have a temple recommend than a cigarette
Awesome stuff. Heavenly Father know each of us. My story started in the womb being 26 weeks early with my twin. He came out healthier than me. I was very sick after our blessings it switched he got worse and I got better. His blessing stated he completed his mission and had to go back to our father's presence. Mine stated that I was to complete a mission assigned here and had work to do. My lineage is different from everyone in my family. I survived death 3 times,have had sacred experiences, and wouldn't change a thing. I know this church is true and the gospel is true. I cannot deny it. HOW CAN WE DENY PRIESTHOOD POWER?
Wow. That's sad about your twin. Sounds like you have been watched over many times. When you have had experiences there is definitely no denying the Lord's power. 😊
@h.r.1523 I feel him with me off and on. Twins have a strong bond. I feel him with me in the Temple specifically. My late mother who died when I was 7. Her wish was for me to serve a mission. Which I completely in northern Chile. I wouldn't change it all. I feel like when we go through trials,tribulations, and suffering in this life. We get a glimpse of understanding the Saviors suffering in Gethsemane. We have our own experiences.
Wow
@@michaelescobedo2524 I agree, going through trials helps us to remember what the Lord went through for us. Sometimes when it feels like no one gets it, it's amazing to think he experienced the pain of all humanity. Sounds like you are doing what you should be doing and making your dear mom proud as well as being able to still experience your twin bond. 💗
This is LEARNING used for DECEPTION , no _matter_ YOUR _PERSONAL_ Journey .
This was _my_ response , in COMMENT to this Vid >>
While he had some interesting experiences that SHOULD have informed a MUCH higher understanding , with ALL of his _learning_ he FAILED to get *WISDOM* . _Claiming_ a deep devotion to the Temple and his experiences there , he hasn't been back since 1991 _?!!?_
With his DEVOTION to *TRUTH* he _rejects_ The Word of *WISDOM* ??
The spirit of REBELLION is the ONE spirit that can survive ALL that he was given and STILL lead him - of The afversary - to find him LITERALLY teaching for _his_ "doctrine" THE *PHILOSOPHIES* of _a_ man , not _even_ adding ANY reference to scripture - but _instead_ relying on the ignorance of an audience easily manipulated by enthusiasm mixed with a little manipulative learning .
I listened to the ENTIRE presentation , and found a number of his philosophies _interesting_ , even COMPELLING, and *clearly* saw the _deception_ thereby .
If THIS is the best you can offer as CONTENT - abdicating your _own_ responsibilities to *TRUTH* ( "Who's to _SAY_ 'What is THRUTH' " ? - *YOU* are , by The Spirit and by *_YOUR_* _commitment_ AND personal responsibility _to_ *TRUTH* . ) , then THIS becomes the HALLMARK of _YOUR_ offering , in an effort to - _if it were _*_possible_* - to DECEIVE the _VERY ELECT_ .
I want no part in this deception , but fear leaving , as I'd no longer be able to call out further deceptions thru your mal-informed and your _audience's_ awe-struck *ignorance* .
I'll have to decide .
Although God is love, the first law of heaven is obedience. We cannot become perfect and one with God without obedience.
besides his belief to "eat drink and be merry" as a red flag, the biggest red flag is that Jesus is not our saviour.
👍 AND God will NOT be MOCKED , _especially_ by the OPENLY and _proudly_ REBELLIOUS .
The adversary was CAST _OUT_ for ARROGANT REBELLION .
Those life changing cross road experiences. I remember being addicted to drugs, alcohol and partying. I remember I ws selling drugs in the night clubs and it was about 4 am on a Sunday morning I was with a younger nephew who was sleeping in the back of the car. I remember opening the middle console of my car to see if my drug bags were still there. All of a sudden my life flashed and I heard my self in my head say " what are you doing" in that very moment I stopped everything. It was a life changing moment. I am no longer addicted to drugs or alcohol and don't party or sell drugs anymore. I will never forget thT moment.
Rad. Describe what happened : what you saw when your life flashed
Wow..
This guy's story is like a compilation of all of the tall mission tales put together into one. He meets with the bishop once without having ever been to church before and never having repented of anything and then all of a sudden he gets a temple recommend and a mission call out of nowhere? Then his MTC mission president had Jesus come to him to ask him what happened last night and he just sends him into the field without any training? This is just way too fantastical.
Well I’ve known him for 24 years and I’ve heard these stay consistent over time. Family friends and mission comps have confirmed them….we’re having him back on Monday & Tuesday. Get ready for more WILD stories
@@ZionMedia_ I don't think that being consistent proves he's telling the truth. His mission companions might be able to confirm some things in his story but he can easily weave truth in with a bunch of lies. What proof do we have that he recieved his mission call without any prior repentance or having applied for it? What proof do we have that he got a temple recommend without any repentance? I need to hear a testimony from his MTC president that he saw Jesus. These are stories that are so incredibly far fetched and ridiculous that I cannot believe them without any sort of evidence.
You would’ve been a hard conversion during Joseph’s time….
@@ZionMedia_ That's a weird thing to say. You think this guy is somehow comparable to Joseph Smith?
Hardly….im comparing the cognitive dissonance applied
Wow! So much to ponder! Please continue sharing more from this guest.
The “smoking prophet” Bryan Ferre has a whole other episode you can find if you scroll about 3 weeks earlier.
The reason for mortality is to learn to love. As spirits, we didn't really understand love. The commandments, the Holy Ghost, the ordinances of the gospel, the priesthood, and the life of Jesus Christ itself are all tokens of God's love for us. Satan wasn't rebelling against God, so much as rebelling against God's love. The temple is necessary for us to understand the love of God. The secret to eternal life is not to sin without shame, but to love as God loves.
Went to the same high school as Bryan. Was also was called to the same mission (Auckland, New Zealand) as him a year or so later after him. He’s currently married to a woman from the home ward in Orem that I was raised in and knew. Nice guy. Remember meeting him for the first time. My sister was a friend of his high school girlfriend. Some of the Elders in the flat when I first got to New Zealand in 1990, when they found out I was from Orem, Utah, asked me do you know him? I said only through reputation alone, as I was asked by his former girlfriend to say hello to him when I got there. It’s true that our mission president was a visionary man. He was also incredibly inspired and tolerant. On reflection, I think Herschel Pedersen was sent by the church a lot of off color missionaries who would have been sent home otherwise by other mission presidents. Under him, and to his great credit, they could serve out honorably in their own way. I would like to hear more from Bryan Ferre.
That’s awesome. He will definitely be back on.
All of that is nice 👍 , and I'm glad allot of Missionaries were able to benefit .
HOWEVER -
This was _my_ response , in COMMENT to this Vid >>
While he had some interesting experiences that SHOULD have informed a MUCH higher understanding , with ALL of his _learning_ he FAILED to get *WISDOM* . _Claiming_ a deep devotion to the Temple and his experiences there , he hasn't been back since 1991 _?!!?_
With his DEVOTION to *TRUTH* he _rejects_ The Word of *WISDOM* ??
The spirit of REBELLION is the ONE spirit that can survive ALL that he was given and STILL lead him - of The afversary - to find him LITERALLY teaching for _his_ "doctrine" THE *PHILOSOPHIES* of _a_ man , not _even_ adding ANY reference to scripture - but _instead_ relying on the ignorance of an audience easily manipulated by enthusiasm mixed with a little manipulative learning .
I listened to the ENTIRE presentation , and found a number of his philosophies _interesting_ , even COMPELLING, and *clearly* saw the _deception_ thereby .
If THIS is the best you can offer as CONTENT - abdicating your _own_ responsibilities to *TRUTH* ( "Who's to _SAY_ 'What is THRUTH' " ? - *YOU* are , by The Spirit and by *_YOUR_* _commitment_ AND personal responsibility _to_ *TRUTH* . ) , then THIS becomes the HALLMARK of _YOUR_ offering , in an effort to - _if it were _*_possible_* - to DECEIVE the _VERY ELECT_ .
I want no part in this deception , but fear leaving , as I'd no longer be able to call out further deceptions thru your mal-informed and your _audience's_ awe-struck *ignorance* .
I'll have to decide .
I gotta say, the first half of this video was great! I disagree with so much that he said in the last half. The whole thing about there being no "bad" or "sin" then how does he explain away Alma 42:17.
I believe he's had some spiritual experiences but he sounds almost like my brother, god rest his soul. My brother was a rebellious youth. But after he turned his life around in his mid 20s he served a mission and was blessed with some amazing spiritual gifts. But my brother's problem was that he was prideful. Because of sinking so low then coming back from the brink of destruction and having amazing spiritual gifts, he thought he knew more than others.
His book is called “the Myth of Knowing”….
Their is a lot on my mind on this one a lot of what he said residents with me and how I interact with people. But I love the point he made is we need to have a spirit of understanding and respect for each other so we can become better people for all those around us. Because I have done that my whole life so far it has hurt me more than I could have imagined. I have been stepped on made fun of and now because of this it’s gotten to a point for me it’s hard to trust people. Especially those I work with. I am trying to get to that point again in my life. I struggle with trust. Because I have been burned by others around me.
Good point
I have to say..I have struggled with the pain of disrespect and love..I have thought many times...look what I have done for you and you treat me like this??? Then HF pointed out..havent I done the same to Him?...to me it was my ego..I've love my family members who have hurt me so much but I can't make them love and respect me and it is my ego that expects that from them .Who am I ...I AM A CHILD OF THE MOST HIGH WITH AN UNKNOWN JOURNEY BEFORE ME. CHOICE, LOVE AND FAITH ARE BEFORE ME.
I have so much to learn. 😂😂😂
"Knowledge does away with darkness, suspense and doubt. For where knowledge is, there is not doubt nor suspense nor darkness. There is no pain so awful as the pain of suspense. This is the condemnation of the wicked. Their doubt and anxiety and suspense causes weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. In knowledge there is power." -Joseph Smith
I like this…so it’s a necessary evil?
I love this, it reminds me of the idea I've always had that Heavenly Father has given each of us our movie to direct and it is ours, we get to choose what we do.
Love that
Ojibwe means "one recording a vision with the creator"
I agreed with some of what Bryan taught, but we parted ways about half way through when he started preaching his humanist philosophy. It’s convenient to use rational-lies to justify why the commandments don’t apply to you.
One other comment; Solomon did not ask for Wisdom. When the Lord asked what he wanted, Solomon asked for an understanding heart to judge his people (I Kings 3:9). The Lord gave him a wise and understanding heart (v. 12).
This is so much over-intellectualizing. While it's fascinating and partially true, remember that he hasn't been btobthevtemple since 1991, after saying he spent entire weeks there and it was so awesome. He's heading to his own understanding. Satan is real and I have had up close experiences with him. I've also had experiences with the Holy Ghost when a friend and I both were overcome by it.
Totally agree. He's "becoming wise" to his own eyes and has lost the Spirit.
Exactly. He may have had some good experiences in the beginning but since then he has expanded using his own intellect and not relying on the spirit. Some of what he is saying is totally false. This is where we need the gift of discernment.@@jeaniehyer7920
The lamp of the body is the eye and if the eye be single (to the glory of God) the whole body will be filled with light. -> we judge what we SEE. And the result - is EMOTION. So a judgment that is anything other than giving glory to GOD causes us to experience emotion that contributes to darkness. So the key is -> Acknowledge that ALL Things are both created by God and give glory to God. That is the key to Christ Like Judgment and the way to free yourself from darkness.
Good one
Sorry but I don't believe a word this guy is saying. He doesn't teach repentance and coming unto Christ with a broken heart and contrite spirit. I'm gonna follow actual prophets who hold keys.
Pray about it.
Good thing no one told you to follow this guy…this is a conversation with a friend who clearly isn’t a prophet but a cool guy with some really neat stories & some interesting takes. And it is true…I’ve known him for over 20 years and know his family and friends.
@thegreatitudecoach This brother is sharing theories he has come up with. It is up to us to confirm the validity. Prophets and apostles teach us principles and doctrine. Theories can come from regular members. See Doctrine and Covenants 88:
77 And I give unto you a commandment that you shall teach one another the doctrine of the kingdom.
78 Teach ye diligently and my grace shall attend you, that you may be instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient for you to understand;
@@thegreatitudecoach - This was *my* response in my own "comment" . ( "PRAY about it" is the LAZIEST call out by soneno not ONLY ignorant, but too lazy to FORM a detailed and well *founded* position on the matter . )
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While he had some interesting experiences that SHOULD have informed a MUCH higher understanding , with ALL of his _learning_ he FAILED to get *WISDOM* . _Claiming_ a deep devotion to the Temple and his experiences there , he hasn't been back since 1991 _?!!?_
With his DEVOTION to *TRUTH* he _rejects_ The Word of *WISDOM* ??
The spirit of REBELLION is the ONE spirit that can survive ALL that he was given and STILL lead him - of The afversary - to find him LITERALLY teaching for _his_ "doctrine" THE *PHILOSOPHIES* of _a_ man , not _even_ adding ANY reference to scripture - but _instead_ relying on the ignorance of an audience easily manipulated by enthusiasm mixed with a little manipulative learning .
I listened to the ENTIRE presentation , and found a number of his philosophies _interesting_ , even COMPELLING, and *clearly* saw the _deception_ thereby .
If THIS is the best you can offer as CONTENT - abdicating your _own_ responsibilities to *TRUTH* ( "Who's to _SAY_ 'What is THRUTH' " ? - *YOU* are , by The Spirit and by *_YOUR_* _commitment_ AND personal responsobility _to_ *TRUTH* . ) , then THIS becomes the HALLMARK of _YOUR_ offering , in an effort to - _if it were _*_possible_* - to DECEIVE the _VERY ELECT_ .
I want no part in this deception , but fear leaving , as I'd no longer be able to call out further deceptions thru your mal-informed and your _audience's_ awe-struck *ignorance* .
I'll have to decide .
@@ZionMedia_ Great - you know the guy. 👍 Cool . *IRRELEVANT* .
This was my comment to this vid , taking the same position with a slightly different viewpoint :
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While he had some interesting experiences that SHOULD have informed a MUCH higher understanding , with ALL of his _learning_ he FAILED to get *WISDOM* . _Claiming_ a deep devotion to the Temple and his experiences there , he hasn't been back since 1991 _?!!?_
With his DEVOTION to *TRUTH* he _rejects_ The Word of *WISDOM* ??
The spirit of REBELLION is the ONE spirit that can survive ALL that he was given and STILL lead him - of The afversary - to find him LITERALLY teaching for _his_ "doctrine" THE *PHILOSOPHIES* of _a_ man , not _even_ adding ANY reference to scripture - but _instead_ relying on the ignorance of an audience easily manipulated by enthusiasm mixed with a little manipulative learning .
I listened to the ENTIRE presentation , and found a number of his philosophies _interesting_ , even COMPELLING, and *clearly* saw the _deception_ thereby .
If THIS is the best you can offer as CONTENT - abdicating your _own_ responsibilities to *TRUTH* ( "Who's to _SAY_ 'What is THRUTH' " ? - *YOU* are , by The Spirit and by *_YOUR_* _commitment_ AND personal responsobility _to_ *TRUTH* . ) , then THIS becomes the HALLMARK of _YOUR_ offering , in an effort to - _if it were _*_possible_* - to DECEIVE the _VERY ELECT_ .
I want no part in this deception , but fear leaving , as I'd no longer be able to call out further deceptions thru your mal-informed and your _audience's_ awe-struck *ignorance* .
I'll have to decide .
I don't love the man who murdered my brother because he " was looking for someone to kill that day". He is responsible for the pain he caused. He is responsible for the pain he caused again when we had to do live impact statements during the covid get out of jail craze. (He wasn't released). There is JUSTICE and mercy. Not everyone with a difficult past kills people. Sorry but I'm hearing a lot of the "he will beat us with a few stripes...". Routine here. Interesting perspective but I disagree. I caught early on when he said under his breath "stories" when referring to the OT accounts. I suggest he keep up with archeology. Maybe he is having a dream and needs to wake up?
Hopefully you’ll enjoy his mission stories - I don’t agree with all Bryans conclusions but I enjoy his perspectives
Sounds like Apostasy in the making
Sounds like judgement in the making
@ZionMedia_ where are the fruits of conversion and the testimony of Christ?
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@@ZionMedia_ that was kind of an immature response. We are supposed to judge righteously which includes judging whether something we hear is true and will lead us to righteousness or whether it will not. Don't you want your listeners to do that? For someone to make a judgment that something might lead to apostacy is not a bad form of judgment. It sounds more like you are feeling defensive that something you posted was judged that way.
I love your channel and appreciate your guests. You may not appreciate the following advice but it’s out of respect and love for your work. I think it would benefit your listeners and add respect to your show if you were less agreeable and more neutral to some ideas. Neutrality would allow you to avoid being disagreeable toward your guest while helping your listeners know you aren’t blown around by every theory and doctrine. I understand this man is a friend and I’m glad he is but much of the doctrine he’s teaching was prophesied to Nephi by the angel as the false doctrine the devil will teach and the people will believe in the last days. I think it hurts your channels credibility to be agreeable to those ideas.
Good feedback 🙏🏻
Agreed.
Those who have not built their faith and understanding on the Rock could easily fall prey to the doctrines of men.
A minor correction: President Pinegar was not a small man. He was 6' 4" and a basketball player. Bryan wasn't in the MTC long enough to realize his true size.
I would be interested in hearing more about his mission, and specifically, what his mission president said that he was uniquely called to do (along with 11 others) that made them different from the hundreds of other missionaries in that mission.
We’ve got tons of Bryan’s missionary stories to come. There so cool
Yes, Ed Pinegar was a very tall man and had been a basketball player. He did have a very unusual voice for a man of his height. I wonder if President Pinegar was sitting in a very low seated chair that made him look like he wasn’t that tall.
@@ZionMedia_ I am also curious to understand Bryan's view of the church now, in light of his extraordinary mission experiences.
Ed Pinegar or Max Pinegar? One short, one tall.
@@ScootForever-sh7lt Ed Pinegar was MTC president at that time. I don't know Max, but Ed was tall, 6' 4' ish.
We are held back by obedience to the law… not guilt and shame
Rather disobedience to
The law
Yep
Yes disobedience to the law holds us back. Some of these New Age religions like to say guilt & shame is what keeps Christians believing in God. But they like to say if you remove those things and look at yourself as a God all is good. It is a huge deception from the adversary One of his old tricks. 🥺 Apparently UA-cam doesn't like edits, so reposting after auto correct messed my post up 😅
So much here! I love the diversity of your guests. I love “learning” (not too much knowledge 😂) from them. But, wow! 🤯 I am going to have to think about this one.
Haha thanks 🙏🏻
He sounds like he has been studying the Course in Miracles which teach there is no sin and no devil and no saviour. I know someone who left the LDS church for that stuff and 7 yrs later is possessed by spirits, aka schitzophrenic.
I am so looking forward to greater understanding of Heavenly Mother and how she plays into everyting - creation, our mortal probations, and our exaltation. Soooo many truths will be restored over the next 10 years and into the millennium, that have been lost, or never yet revealed.
We’re gona cover all of that! Love your searching these
ah gee, this started out so good...inspiring even, but then we get into these super "out there" personal interpretations of very clear doctrines as presented in the scriptures and taught by the church. Sorry, think this guy is way off.
It’s as the parable of the seed. Sone places it will sprout and flourish, other ground and or soil is not prepared for such a sprouting. And it’s okay.
He can be off in parts - I (Trevor) argue with him all the time.
President Pinegar was awesome, so much intense spiritual situations occurred at the MTC. I was there in early 1990, and had a very memorable experience with one of my companions who was sent home from the MTC. He just wasn’t supposed to be there at that time. We had a similar Zone intervention with this young man, and took the experience to President Pinegar, who said that we couldn’t tell him that this Elder wasn’t supposed to be there. I told him that all we were asking was for him to talk with the young man. He did and later called me back into the office and actually apologized and said that yes, he needed to go home, and thanked us for bringing the concern to him. Was an amazing experience. One of my other companions lived near the MTC also, his grandmother lived next door, his house was visible from the campus and his girlfriend would drive past when we were walking and wave to him!
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Very cool
So what about repentance?
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In the western world (Greek) we tend to think there is only one true (right way) to understand things. Applying this to scripture would mean that one symbol has only ONE meaning. However, in eastern cultures (Hebrew, Oriental and even some Native American ) I have learned that their languages are more like poetry. Applying this to scripture may mean that there are up to SEVEN layers of interpretation. These aspects may include our internal structure (as your guest highlights), a family, a government, a church, a nation, the world...
That’s awesome and deep
So that is interesting about Bryan Ferre’s spin on the temple endowment being symbolic everything. But then again, it’s all real, including the devil. Bryan is a little too humanistic for me.
In longer convos I’ve had with Bryan believes it’s both allegorical & actual
Filled with *_new zeal and_* energy!
He sure is!
I can understand what Bryan is saying, but it is my understanding that we as Adam & Eve wouldn't have been able, or allowed to have children from that point, unless we were sent through the process of being mortal , and learn how to manage all the power we actually had . We wouldn't have appreciated the power & things put before us if we hadn't gone through this human process. I consider myself to be a very open minded person, and I can agree with some of his ideas.... but I can't agree about the tree of knowledge. I believe there's a great deal more to the tree of knowledge and what it's meant to represent.
Very true
My mission president in 1965 Central Atlantic States Mission headquarterd in Roanoke Virginia.was C. K. Ferre. Is he a relative.
That part about the patriarchal blessing and the ither blessing is soooo cool! Thank you for sharing! The Lord knows who we are. We just need to be instruments in his hands.
Absolutely!!
I think that wisdom was not enough for King Solomon because he was given power, money and sex. All too much of it. Not enough opposition in his life to humble himself. Absolute power absolutely corrupts.
Very fascinitating discussion!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wait to you hear his mission stories 🤯
No bad? - yes there is. But if we turn from the bad and use its lessons to become good then the bad is turned for our good. In that sense alone ...sure no such thing as bad. But in the sense that we shouldn't eshew evil because its actually not bad? No that is a vain doctrine.
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Opposition in all things.....
I can say that I can read scriptures and put myself in their place, or even think of myself as Chrst was... but I can't equate myself to be as God, or on God's level. I feel that it's completely disrespectful, and I cannot day that God would be narcissistic if he sent me here to learn and go through trials to find out if I would be a obedient child and choose the right. I really have a hard time bringing myself UP to Gods level or Him DOWN to my level. But that we have the same potential to become as God is!All things were created for our good... whichever way we choose. We experience the consequences of what ever that choice brings us. And some of us on this planet haven't got the ability or capability to love.oving is often a "learned" art or ability.
Good point
Why hasn't Bryan been back to the Temple since 1991?
He’s still lds just doesn’t have a recommend
@@ZionMedia_ If Bryan starts attending the Temple he will receive SO MUCH!
I totally agree!
I was wondering the same thing. I wonder if it’s because he’s addicted to smoking. Unfortunate if that is the case.
I was in the MTC with president Pinegar, he made me stay the whole time and fly to Montana with all the others
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Me too!
Haha. When was pinegar? I was there in 1992. Can’t remember if Pinegar was before or after my time.
In our building, by the showers, we met an elder who was not talking white shirts and ties. He was in combat boots and camouflage, hunting knifes for killing huge snakes if needed, to be dropped into the Amazon not to be seen for many months at a time by “civilization” with telecommunications. He was a super bad-ass, like an Ammon, figure, and looked the part (in the Arnold Freiburg painting), big, strong, robust, blonde, muscular, humble, quiet and without ego or fanfare.
@@davincimen4495 lol awesome. I've heard of military garments to blend in, but didn't realize they also actually sent Elders dressed the part to that extreme. I knew some of the island assignments were a little different. Wonder if they are going back to this with the "newer" laxed dress code 🤔
Podcast started out fun. Then he injected his own interpretations that is a slippery slop.
Well - they’re just his views & remember it’s called the “Myth” of Knowing.
With the comment about looking at sin with the least allowance.......in the sense of the Word of Wisdom, the beginning paragraph initially said, "not to be used as judgement", why then are Bishops, and Stake Presidents using it to judge whether or not one is worthy to enter into the house of the Lord. Not following that to the letter of it's precepts does not mean that we don't Love the Lord, follow the Lord, and keep all of the commandments he has scripturally given us. Which leads us to feel unworthy (judge ourself). If one truly felt they were keeping all of Gods commandments and yet were weak with the things in the WOW, but still felt worthy, would they then be able to enter into the house of the Lord. Could the WOW be symbolic of us doing those things that are not good for us when the knowledge we have tells us not to. Because Sugar is a great example, we know the damage it can cause, as well as many more. The other thought I had one time was that we are physically the body of Jesus Christ. He literally blew life (light) into us which was of his creation, his substance. So if we are the body of Christ (physically not metaphorically), every cell matters, hating out enemy would be like not liking our pinky finger and wanting to cut it off our own body.
I feel like I’m trying to learn who I am. God already knows me. I’m proving myself to me. Like Abraham’s lesson was to find out what he would do with Isaac. God already knew.
That’s awesome!! Keep going 🙏🏻
God is love, but what does that mean? It’s doesn’t mean nothing is bad and it’s all good no matter what we do.
Christ came so we can overcome all things including sin. He didn’t come so we can justify everything. This path will lead to misery and destruction.
Truth
Actually the serpent doesn't tell them that now. It says that they were naked and made aprons. No longer the serpent!
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And I actually don't have a problem with us doing what the serpent tells us to do because I feel that it is a representation of this life. We have fallen and we given in to our base desires, but God saves us from that.
Interesting
Isn't man to become one with his wife to become whole and isn't that the challenge of the two and where does family fit into this whole thought?
Plenty of good stuff there about not judging oneself - to recognize the 'why' of our choices needs to be more elevated; but the conclusions are misleading. Ultimately we can't sin against the light we are given and that is what we are judged against; as the Father said - we will be our own judges in the end. We will turn from Him and walk to whatever world of glory we wanted.
Some of what you say is just not true though - when you come to the conclusion.
Yeah JR3 i come to the same conclusion (Trevor here) and I argue that with Bryan and it’s fun.
I like this title! Sounds like a good one!
I agree I wonder what it’s about.
The Smoking Prophet is a stud….
We are here to wake up to our identity as conscious active intentional creators!!!!
Facts
This guy is a great story teller. However the stories don’t hang together. Missionaries that tell fantastical stories like his mostly did nothing on their missions except make up fantastical stories such as this. I could take each of his stories apart and explain how they are not based in reality. They are however entertaining. Which is the point.
Well I’ve known Bryan for 20+ years, know people from his mission, his family, etc. In all my years with him he’s never exaggerated or lied.
Believe what you want - Doubt where you will. We know what Jesus said about judgement. Glad you thought it was entertaining 🙏🏻
@@ZionMedia_ no exaggeration? Right!!! Exaggeration stories like this is what gives the churched the missionaries bad name. I’m pretty sure none of the stories happened.
First!
There are members who aren't endowed yet watching this and I don't think it's right to share any part of what happens in the ceremony no matter how small it is.
Everything he talks about is the scriptures and there are countless church approved manuals that get into this and more. Remember: Sacred ~ Not Secret
PLEASE do an episode of Wizard of Oz!!!! Also, if there is no good or evil, why do we need a Messiah/Atoning Sacrafice? What about that scripture that says if there be no evil, there be no good, and if there be no good, there would be no God? He lost me there. I've heard this before...this doctrine about there not being any good or evil, that this is a man-made construct...if that were true, there would be no need for an Atonement, right? Does this smoking prophet not believe in a Messiah?
57:23 - 58:41 Telestial = self, Terrestrial = others, Celestial =_____? Can you fill in the blank for me?
Idk 🤷🏻♂️ God or Divine Presence?
If you walk and the spirit tells you to turn right and help someone.
Telestial = what's things done for them. Terrestrial = wants to do things themselves for themselves. Celestial = wants to do things for others. It comes to where your heart is and what you desire. As you grow closer to Christ you become like him. And you will care for others above yourself. And God will grant you greater knowledge and power because you will seek to bless others as he would have them be blessed.
I use this to differentiate them and determine where the focus is:
Telestial = Me
Terrestrial = We (others)
Celestial = Thee (God)
@@TheyWereInOne I like that rhyming combo!
Clown show…sounds like an old uncle of mine that likes to hear himself talk. Have watched this channel several times…not impressed so far
Dang
He got that right it’s weird and bizarre and not doctrine
Haha
Good choice , wonderful program
Thanks. Wait till you hear all his missionary stories
Thumbs down. This guy denied the stories of the Bible really happened. Your UA-cam channel is clearly intended to get followers so you can make money from UA-cam advertisements and that is called Priestcraft. Trying to spread the gospel to make money is Priestcraft. You need to repent.
Why don’t you go tell that to all the Come Follow Me UA-cam channels you Pharisee.
Shane & I don’t need the money - but David is getting 100% of the UA-cam dollars to help support his family.
You don’t have to agree with everything on this channel. If you find a channel you agree with 100% of the time you aren’t really growing. Just disagree and move on. If someone spends their time doing this, why shouldn’t they get rewarded. If you have watched “The Chosen” you’ve had to pay for a platform to watch it on. Don’t call it Priestcraft. Deseret Book isn’t engaging in Priestcraft when it sells General Authorities books. People have to make livings
I have been teaching these concepts for YEARS…
It’s in overcoming guilt and shame (victimhood) that we become empowered creators.
Joseph said whatever level of INTELLIGENCE not knowledge. Truth being intelligent as is laid out in the D&C.
Love it
@@ZionMedia_ I'm the first and only Latter-Day Saint author to ever have a book about Law of Attraction in Deseret Book.
That’s awesome. Share with me here a link
The Myth of Knowing = you think you know, but I am here to tell you, "I know you don't know anything until you realize YOU are the Father, YOU are the Son and YOU are the Holy Ghost. Good luck with that blasphemy buddy.
It is called the MYTH of Knowing. It’s allegorical too. He believes in all 3
It's ALL relevant.. As above, so below..
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@@ZionMedia_ thank you, i need all the prayers i can get..
Love it. Sounds a lot like Neville Goddard
I don’t know him. Should I?
Neville believed that our imaginations are the key to manifesting our desires. He taught that we should visualize ourselves as already having what we want, and feel the emotions that come with it.
@@ZionMedia_ua-cam.com/video/v_EmtsHWeD0/v-deo.htmlsi=Bz790pHmU3wZy_3l
@ZionMedia_ You will enjoy Neville Goddard. He has since passed away, yet his discoveries are affecting people in a profound way.
@@francromero7300wasn't he a Rosicrucian??
With the church now dividing so much, more people coming out with incredible faith stories & plenty of avenues to tell their stories, the common denomination is they're essentially inactive members. Not anti, they still have their testimony but they don't participate in church or perhaps the temple anymore. What's up with that?
To me it Shows how much the light of Christ desires to thrive in the hearts of men.
Such a better outcome than a John Dehlin type.
My patriarchal blessing told me that I would be tested, which I never realized how much I would suffer. Yet three times I was toldnever to give up. If zi did I would lose blessings because I was of the seed of Abraham and of a noble family. So I don't agree with what you said. Job lived because the Lord told Joseph Smith that he hadn't 😮suffered as much as Job.
Because of my suffering, however, I have true charity.
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What month and year were you in the MTC?
IDK - I’ll ask him
It’s been a while lol but this show is way better than ward radio.
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Doctrine and Covenants 93:1
*_Why not?_*
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Interesting.
Glad you think so!
I’m in Jacksonville, NC where in NC are you😊
Is the power of Christ not powerful enough to help the smoking Proffitt stop smoking? And why has he not been to the temple since 1991?
Both great questions. IDK
Oh man. I’m 5/6th the way through. Beautiful.
Mystics have given me a flavor of Jesus that is amazing. Mystics also have shared amazing things with me that went against my tradition and dogmas.
Oh wow! I agree
You are 100% correct on Bryan. Wait till iou hear his future stories. They are then most impressive I’ve personally ever known
Watch out for mystics. They’ll tell a lot of truth to get you to swallow a lie.
I want a 4 hour episode with the smoking prophet based on:
“Oh, you want religion, do you?” ~Satan
Then with the observation, of the LDS , like the ancient Jews, answering: “yes, yea, yes, give me religion” and thus we are as Jacob describes:
14 But behold, the Jews were a stiffnecked people; and they despised the words of plainness, and killed the prophets, and sought for things that they could not understand. Wherefore, because of their blindness, which blindness came by looking beyond the mark, they must needs fall; for God hath taken away his plainness from them, and delivered unto them many things which they cannot understand, because they desired it. And because they desired it God hath done it, that they may stumble. (Jacob 4:14).
Joseph Smith, did he deliver a path up and out of religion altogether, entirely, for those who rejected the prospect of religion, (always delivered by darkness), and who instead, wanted God direct, with no middle men?
I’ll take notes. We’re gonna have a bunch of episodes with him on. Wait till you hear his mission stories.
Who are these 4 people & why is there no bio on them in the description?
Zion Media guests & hosts - what or who particular are you looking for?
I AM Jehovah
You personally?
@@ZionMedia_ We all are Jehovah. This is a fascinating book: ua-cam.com/video/_w_xitHetMo/v-deo.html
@@ZionMedia_ We all are I AM right?
2nd
If its all made up then why the restoration? why the first vision? Why bother with any learning at all?
Well - after studying a lot I will agree with the basic feeling Bryan has regarding knowledge. It is so much better to be faithful and believing without lots of worldly knowledge even if that knowledge confirms the scriptures and prophets; Because its more satisfying to feel the burning of the Spirit than to try and piece together the specific thing that is right or wrong to do from knowledge. I mean are we supposed to be like the Anit-Nephi-Lehi's and get killed or like Moroni and conquer?
Good point
@@ZionMedia_ By the way I just listened to an episode of Talking Scripture that gives the true explanation and conclusion of what Bryan has said, but without the self-excusing 'eat drink and be merry' issues. On Talking Scripture they shared a quote by C.S. Lewis which explains how our sins and pains in this life will be turned to great joy or to make our time here like heaven to us; will make it become sweet to us - IF - If we have turned to the Savior and repented sufficiently to become commandment keepers.
Its at 48:52 into their Episode 281.
That is the true interpretation of Bryans process of knowledge. It bothers me that we would use an uplifting truth to try to escape accountability or I wouldn't go on here. Mercy cannot rob justice.
But I wouldn't want to be too discouraging either nor get too wordy here so the better conclusion is: Everyone is equally valuable (equally loved from the Savior down to Judas) but not everyone is equally honorable; we never lose our value to God (his love for us) but we can lose our honor through sin and refusal to repent. This is what we really mean by 'worthiness' - its just a simple weakness of our language to have to explain it this way. We all know in our hearts that faith in Christ with obedience and repentance is necessary to obtain the Celestial Kingdom.
@@JR3-ks4jxthanks for the Talking Scripture reference. It has a very different spirit.
I liked your comment that everyone is equally valuable but not equally honorable. Honor is where God gets his power and it is what Satan sought but could not attain.
Yikes, he really mucked things up big time! The Plan of Salvation?...Done. No longer needed. Jesus Christ?...Done. No longer needed. Heavey Father?... Done. No longer needed. Every time he could have turned the podcast back to Christ...let's go a little deeper into Korihor's teachings. @trevorkeyes 59:41 finally a bit of pushback to his twisted gospel truths, where he had previous, at least an hour to spew and lie about things so precious. Holy Moly!
We are held back by obedience to the law… not guilt and shame
Solid