hero-of-kvatch I’m 44 and don’t particularly like it. Maybe it depends on one’s life experiences. As a teacher, I see the difference between what I consider to be a kid and a young adult. To be clear, I don’t have a melt down or get bent out of shape when I hear someone who is of age referred to as a kid. I understand that ppl say this and don’t have ill intentions. But personally, I choose to make the distinction. I compare that to girl v woman or boy v man. I would never refer to a 22 year old as a girl. I don’t put her in the same category as say a 7 year old. 🤷🏾♀️
@Mø Nälayé Since the Renaissance, the word Moor has been used to describe dark skinned or black people in general by many Europeans or just meant black.
@Mø Nälayé Please read the end of my comment. The term Moor was also used to mean the color black after the Renaissance, which is the main reason I responded to you.
I just want you to know that not every Dutch person turns a blind eye to zwarte piet and what it actually is. I hope someday it will change. But it is going to be slow
Shes making up these stories... There has NEVER been a zwartepiet at Christmas in the Netherlands! Sinterklaas and zwartepiet happen on the 5th of December, 20 days before Christmas.
@@Ghilannugs how many people do you know that go in vacation to see family for Christmas and arrive on th 3rd or 4th of December.... Thats what makes it unbelievable.
here in belgium we've started using "veegpieten" (at least on tv) aka they still make their face black but only a little bit so it just looks like they're dirty from chimney soot
@@flext-rex8284 Well, if you need a laugh, just look at the audience view at 4:52...priceless!! Still, thought she was hilarious personally--though, given my skin tone, I definitely can't "like" without feeling some deep reservation.
@@tfooaleik Really? How do you figure? I'm assuming you also think people are tired of "gender-based" comedy? Or "sexuality-based" comedy? What about "political" comedy? "Religious" comedy? What do you want your comedy to be about? Pop stars and Twitter?
@Agnello Dei Most of the changes taking place have resulted from the past actions of the Obama administration. We won't see Trump's real impact until several years in the future.
I’m Dutch and Koen/Coen is a pretty common name here, but my black a** had no idea it was a racial slur. Thanks for the education and for making me laugh
She said something so important here: "When I see blackface, I think about lynching. When he sees blackface, he thinks about Christmas presents." There are so many people who don't identify as racists but don't understand what POC's POV is because they experience a completely different life than us.
I'm black and I learned about black face a few years back. I'm from Ethiopia, even though we (Ethiopians) are black almost 90% of the population has very little idea of what POC go through, especially in America.
well it's not christmas presents... Sinterklaas is a completely different holiday... And while the whole blackface thing is wrong, it's obvious in this case it is just a cultural difference where no one really cares about it in Belgium and The Netherlands because of the tradition. To us this kinda comes over as if you want us to change without always knowing how it started. Now 'Zwarte' Piet is called 'Roet' = (Ash) Piet or just basic 'Piet'.
Ah good old Zwarte Piet, the Christmas tradition misstep that keeps on giving. My bleeding heart mate recently asked me how I felt about him. "The same as gollywogs, Dude. Those who treasure him or those dolls spend so much time backtracking while explaining, it's like watching someone play a full game of tennis with themselves. Kinda funny, kinda of sad. One day they will decide it ain't worth it."
@Tread Knought if you're not black it isn't ypur business to put black paint on your face to "pretent" to be what ypu are not. It's offensive weather blacks are from Britain, dutch or any fcking where!
Lotte You and Jon are absolutely right that it’s not a Christmas tradition. That said as Sinterklaas is a mythological figure, his canon can develop and should. I genuinely not suggesting we tank all of Sinterklaas’s retinue just question if Zwarte Piet is needed and if so can be rewritten a bit. People trying to suggest he a sooty from chimneys or now is the actual gift giver are already doing that. One person just needs to be brave enough to edit his design for good and he may even be able to stay.
@@Firegen1 "Just question is Zwarte Piet is needed...." Mate, Sinterklaas is a demented old bloke. Zwarte Piet has been saving the kids and the presents in movies and series since I was young. While Nickelodeon showed me pre-Christma-stuff with overworked little people, slaving away in a mass-production-centre, with no windows, I was watching Clever Pete and Testing-Pete and Professor Pete and all the others solving crimes, drinking lemonade, relaxing on the couch, being given holidays to France to work on their artwork (Kunst-Pete that is, you can google him if you want.) I mean, what do you want changed about his design? Amsterdam changed him into a Kolonial gentleman, that didn't go down well with the anti-pete-groups. And then they changed them into white people and our city got swamped with black people, trying to apply for Black Pete in our tiiiiny city, because 'we're not going to paint our fucking faces white.' I mean, there is no solution, there's always going to be peopl that are unhappy. And if you want to make *most* people happy, you clarify the difference between the national mythical superhero and common people that have skin that isn't covered in soot.
One philosophical question: Would it be better instead of White People "blackfacing" to honor one member of the "colored" society? Think about it that way, when netherlands people see a "black person" they think about something good - Christmas. While in america it is thought, that white people never associate good things from black people because HISTORY! Both countries had a history, but those two countries took other conclusions away from it. And THAT is important! You don't want to put people into sterotypes because it is racist, BUT to think everything overall is only one conclusion instead of two... you are doing the same. Doing sterotypes and ironically being racist towards another cultural group you might not completely understand, if you don't get to know them better and open your heart and mind. PS: No, I am not from netherlands. I just think it is interesting how everyone can have tunnel vision and do exactly that which they don't want to do in the first place... Humanity can still learn and grow from their mistakes... but I fear it is already too late for that.
I'd just be all "Listen man, I love you and all, but when we go outside, I'mo just call you Bob. And you better answer to it or I'm leaving your ass at the store."
Same in Germany with the three wise men. Children dress up as the three wise men and one of them is painted in blackface. Every time I try to talk about it it ends in huge fights, because 'tradition'
But that is the tradition in Germany. Why should it change because of black people? Germany is a white country they have the right to take pride in their culture/traditions
For people who don't understand, Ziwarte Piet is actually VERY racist. Maybe just painting him black would be different, but the character features an afro, with black skin and huge red lips. Which makes absolutely no sense if your story is "He looks black because he went down the chimney and got soot all over him". It's like they're really trying to say "only black people would be dumb enough to go down a chimney". Originally it was definitely intended to be offensive.
@@louistulloch1159 ok but no one is saying that there's power in it. We're saying that it's disrespectful. Black face is wrong. Whether we believe it has power or not
Ever since I found out that Michelle was married to a Dutch man, I've been waiting to see what she would say about Zwarte Piet! And it was hilarious! 😂😂😂
I was expecting the comment section to be swarming with Dutch people already, but I guess the title isn't triggering enough. Just Google 'Zwarte Piet' and you won't be able to get around the fact that it is blatant blackface and a very racist caricature of black people. Luckily a lot of places in the Netherlands have decided to change 'Black Peter' to just 'Peter' (or Pete) with some soot on its face, but Sinterklaas won't be a truly inclusive celebration until blackface has been completely erased from it.
@Messy There are many ways the character Pete has been coloured in order to step away from blackface. Ranging from some soot, to bright colours and even Petes with paint that makes them look like our famous waffle the stroopwafel. Wouldn't that be sufficient? I'm not sure why you say 'no offense'.
@@amberfillmore3517 The part is nowadays supposed to be a helper who is black only because they came through the chimney. That would barely be an acceptable excuse for blackface as it is, but the fact that the Zwarte Piet character also includes an afro wig, red lipstick and golden hoop earrings makes the 'he's black because of the chimney!' story quite unbelievable. Plus the character is portrayed as a friendly, but silly, clueless helper that needs the quidance of the wise old Sinterklaas. So the idea is to change the character to 'Piet', which keeps its funny ways, but without the wig, lipstick and earrings and with soot smudges on its face instead of covering the whole face in black paint. This way the character actually fits the story that is told to children. Unfortunately a large part of the Netherlands can't accept this and wants to keep the Piet character black, for whatever reason.
@@amberfillmore3517 The celebration is not inclusive for children and people of colour, because of the way they're portrayed. Now blackface has a difficult past as it is, but specifically to Zwarte Piet: - Decades ago the character was portrayed as scary and children were told they'd have to be good or otherwise Zwarte Piet would take them away. - Later on the character became more friendly, but increasingly sillier, sometimes even with a Suriname (former Dutch colony) accent.
Not Funny oh honey you don’t know what racism is do you? You’re telling me that jump Jim Crow isn’t racist cause white people were laughing and thought it was funny?
42 jade I grew up on Sinter Klaas, and so have all my relatives, and all of my friends. We all loved the Zwarte Pietjes in the parades. I don’t know a single racist person. You have no idea what you’re talking about. America is so quick to call something racist.
Had a guy in my highschool named Nigor everytime a teacher had to say his name his face went 😔 And yes, he was black so it sounded like the n word if you had an accent
They do that too in flanders (belgium)........i have to bite my tongue every xmas . Because the b.s. story they give as traditional custom. Its actually banned in holland now though
Nice! Don’t bite your tongue, just be charismatic in giving your opinion, if you want. But I understand if it just feels like a waste of energy sometimes.
It's true that they no longer show him on national TV and in the official parades, but in smaller places these traditions are very hard to get rid of and people are holding onto that greasy paint for dear life.
Oh God, we do this in Spain too... The 5th of January we have a parade in which the Three Wizard Kings do a parade in which they throw candy to the kids. For some reason, we represent them as two white guys and a black guy (when in theory they all should be asian, but that's another story), and for the longest time we used to have the black one be a white guy in blackface... Most cities have fixed it though!
clara ao melody the OG poster said “most” cities have fixed it. Not all. Second, if you mean blackface is not a problem in the world anymore, you really need to do a quick google search.
Recently had to have an "intervention" for a co-worker/social acquaintance hipster who wanted to named her daughter Gypsy Manuela Phoenix. After a lot of debate, she dropped the name to just Manuela Phoenix (better than nothing I guess)
@@hambone4984 you did a wonderful thing. I feel for people who are named that name and are aware it's a slur. Like yeah it's offensive but it's also their name, must be hard to accept it.
We had a series of books about Christmas around the world. I remember literally doing a double take when I came upon Black Pete in the Dutch book. My parents must have done something right because even then as a kid I saw how racist this was.
I love how much she knows, she KNOWS, about Dutch culture. The truly horrible, the truly hilarious, but also the weird stuff, like how she says "mayonaise". Dutch people LOVE mayonaise 😂
@@thatperson2478 okay random comment, i know we have both, but ya know, the name santa comes from sinterklaas so like most things it is very much connected
@@elisam.2896 Yes the root is for sure the same but since we have both with distinct traditions and practises surrounding them, it seems best to separate them and not mix them up.
@@thatperson2478 Okay that person, but who cares. The concept of "Santa Clause" literally comes from Sinterklaas. The Santa Clause we know now is literally just the dude that Coca Cola invented. It's not that deep.
@Tread Knought How do you know he wasn't born there? Maybe one of his parents have had family from there for hundreds if not thousands of years and married a more recent immigrant. You sound like a racist.
She's referring to the common Dutch given name Coen or Koen. It's pronounced differently than the surname/occasional given names Coen, Cohen, Cohn, Kohn, etc.
It's not traditionally pronounced that way. Koen, Coen are pronounced the same way as Kuhn (German). It comes from Coenraad, meaning the same as Conrad
Mara Joya it is possible that I didn't grab the same racial issues so they didn't take it as discriminating against another race but rather an expression of a tradition that they have. obviously it is offensive and ignorance does not excuse it but seeing that most countries at least back in the day were filled with naturally racist people they probably didn't think much of it
This comedy skit is very generalising to be honest. The Netherlands are torn around Sinterklaas because one big part of the country hates Black Pete and the other part wants to hold onto tradition. Its not like everyone is fine with it here. Most folk living in bigger cities are mostly or fully against Black Pete or can see that the tradition is old and not okay anymore but a lot of smaller places still hold onto it because... cultures just differ from place to place as much as it does in America or anywhere else. Official news outlets have already gotten rid of the entirely blackface Black Pete in favor of people just being painted with smudges as soot would ACTUALLY look on someones face. Theres a Sinterklaas Journaal (which is HUGE, all children watch it), which is a news channel only broadcasted around Sinterklaas season and theyve entirely gotten rid of Black Pete too. Its only ignorant communities that are still holding onto this tradition. So yes, the Dutch can see black face is degrading, the entire country has been adjusting ever since Black Pete became a big vocal point here.
Dont mean to come over as agressive or anything but honestly Im completely tired of people generalising Dutch folk like were all just somehow okay with this, while thats entirely not the case. Im strongly against it and more and more people are.
It’s hard to explain but like the negative connotations of blackface and minstrels shows that you have in the US ( blackface wasn’t done to celebrate black people lol) doesn’t translate to black Pete. Black Pete is a very positive character and has no negative connotations so that’s why very little people see a problem with it. A study among dutch kids showed they associate black Pete with clowns and not with black people. It’s complicated
i'm mixed with dutch and when i was a kid i had a school project about heritage and learning about how different cultures celebrate the holidays. i made the mistake of choosing that one first and ended up asking to change the country i chose. when i told my teacher why she choked on her coffee and looked horrified while holding back laughter. for the record, she was also black and learning this for the first time so at least i didn't have to experience that horrible revelation without an adult who fully understood why i was so distraught. it ruined christmas for a few years cause i'd see black people dressed like elves and remember the motherland but not for good reasons 😅
As a Dutch person I'm so ashamed this is still going on. It took me a while to realise how racist this tradition is because I grew up with this and as a kid you don't go 'oh those are a bunch of people doing blackface'. You just see a joyful celebration and "zwarte piet" giving sweets. As an adult I realised how fucked up this is and it definitely needs to change. This discussion has been going on in Holland for a couple of years and there is a big divide with people who don't want to face their beloved tradition is racist (and/or blatantly deny it) and people who have realised we can still enjoy our tradition without insulting and hurting people by just stop doing fucking blackface. There is slow and small transition going on by replacing blackface with soot marks (because zwarte piet goes through the chimney and """"that is why he's is black""""... it is factually based on a santa claus who had slaves) but there's still a lot of resistance because of ignorance.
Kay it is, but when you are a child you dont see it that way, you see pete and all the gifts and joy they give you. Only when you grow up you realize that.
I wish a bit more information was included on the Sinterklaas thing. It's actually a huge discussion here trying to get rid of Zwarte Piet. Luckily the majority of us see how offensive it is to people of colour and have no issue simply adjusting Zwarte Piet to something else. It's supposed to be a fun holiday for kids, and the kids really dont care what Piet looks like as long as they get their presents. We've still got a long way to go but I'm hopeful with all the cities that have already banned Zwarte Piet that soon it's permanently changed for the better. I know there's a lot of people stuck up about this issue because 'tradition', but hearing this honestly made me feel so embarrassed, and I just wanted to say it's really not the case that all of us are dismissing this issue.
The fact that I didn’t realize that black Pete was an example of black face until earlier this year (because I forgot that it even existed for like 6 years because I moved to 🇮🇪 Ireland 🇮🇪 ) and now I’m haunted by the memory of my pre school having my class dress up as Pete. (We used black face paint) so now I live with the knowledge that I did black face when I was 4 😨😨😨 i hate that I even remember it.
It wasn't ment offensively in any way, the black people portrayed are like heroes to the kids. I was the girl zwarte piet in full outfit many times to not be recognised by little kids I knew.
"And you know our Santa's got like Elves, and Mrs Claus, and reindeer and stuff" And Kris Kringle has two elves called Jingle and Jangle, a girlfriend called Noelle, and a movie about him called Santa goes to High School (maybe).
I used to have a married white couple who were regular customers to my workplace whose last name was "Heyniger" and yes, it was pronounced the very way you would hope it wasn't, especially because they had to confirm their name upon arrival. Weirdly, they never opted to just show their IDs, instead they announced their name aloud for all to hear...
i’m 35 seconds in and i’m in love with this woman for the way she chose not to embarrass the kid who didn’t know what the slur meant
Bryanna ikr she sounds so sweet she sends good vibes
Haha. @ you referring to a person in their twenties as a kid
Whalium it’s pretty common to refer to young adults as “kids” in casual conversation lmao
Whalium haha. being offended over that only shows your 20 yr old ass
hero-of-kvatch
I’m 44 and don’t particularly like it. Maybe it depends on one’s life experiences. As a teacher, I see the difference between what I consider to be a kid and a young adult.
To be clear, I don’t have a melt down or get bent out of shape when I hear someone who is of age referred to as a kid. I understand that ppl say this and don’t have ill intentions. But personally, I choose to make the distinction.
I compare that to girl v woman or boy v man. I would never refer to a 22 year old as a girl. I don’t put her in the same category as say a 7 year old. 🤷🏾♀️
I was boutta say wtf is wrong with “Michelle” lmao
i was like we’re pronouncing Buteau differently lol
Same lol
I figured it had to be the last name.
Liam Vic same
First second in... OH.. okay. Legit thought it was some documentary on how she was always bullied
If I saw Coen as a name, my first thought would be that's pronounced like Cohen. Never would've guessed the slur
Looked at that myself, it's pronounced Cohen everywhere else...except The Netherlands.
Me too
Or Pronounce it as COH- IN
Thats what i would say
@@nicoleraheem1195 I say both ways the same. Is there a difference?
@@georgaseebalack6003 Literally the same lol
My name is Coen, and I had no idea it was also a racial slur. Thanks for letting me know.
Coen de Moor your entire name is (black slur) of black person. Amazing.
Mø Nälayé Baby girl... Morocco is africa.... Africa is african.... African, black. Yaknow? North african, still african, still black....
@Mø Nälayé Since the Renaissance, the word Moor has been used to describe dark skinned or black people in general by many Europeans or just meant black.
I thought he made his name up
@Mø Nälayé Please read the end of my comment. The term Moor was also used to mean the color black after the Renaissance, which is the main reason I responded to you.
Cool bit about Koen, I had no idea it was a slur and it's such a common name in the Netherlands! Hilarious
The slur is spelled different
The slur is with two O’s and one C
Luckily it is, otherwise it would be awkward in writing too!
Adrienne Fraser I say my sons name “Co-en” like Cohen. Or Cowan.
Mm wow not surprised it's a name in the neatherlands, they're racist as hell🤷🏾
I was stressing thinking I had to change my name
Yo I thought she meant Michelle too!
Yeah, thought she meant her name.
lol
Haha same 😂😂😂
ahahha lmao
Santa has a sleighve 😭😭😭
😂
Dennis Maina I see what you did there 😉😉
😂😂😂
Oh dear....
Dennis Maina 😂😂🤣🤣
The second she said “Christmas in Holland” I kneeeeew it was over. x_x girl.
Yuppp
I'm actually more upset she says Holland and not the netherlands and actively thinks sinterklaas is christmas. Can get rid of black Pete though :D
I love her she and I are both married to Dutch men and figuring out the culture.
I just want you to know that not every Dutch person turns a blind eye to zwarte piet and what it actually is. I hope someday it will change. But it is going to be slow
Shes making up these stories... There has NEVER been a zwartepiet at Christmas in the Netherlands! Sinterklaas and zwartepiet happen on the 5th of December, 20 days before Christmas.
Bella why do I smell white guilt?
@@michellezevenaar bruh Christmas is also used as a general term for all of December up to Christmas
@@Ghilannugs how many people do you know that go in vacation to see family for Christmas and arrive on th 3rd or 4th of December.... Thats what makes it unbelievable.
"SANTA HAS A *SLAAAAVE* " im CaCKLinG
My name is Gypsy and I find this very relatable
rip
Corbinite definitely rip
F in chat
Yikes
ok but wha- what were ur parents thinking?
Ah, Tradition...
Peer pressure from dead people!
This had me dead!
So much yes
here in belgium we've started using "veegpieten" (at least on tv) aka they still make their face black but only a little bit so it just looks like they're dirty from chimney soot
Hahahhahaha I love this
Sometimes people in the comment section need their own special or at least a set as that was golden 😂
She's really good at this job. Right the hell on.
Man, what a lackluster crowd. She’s giving so much energy, come on :/
Everyone has different humor, just the way it is. I thought they laughed too much.
She wasn't funny
@@flext-rex8284 The jokes are decent. Too bad her delivery is complete trash.
@@flext-rex8284
Well, if you need a laugh, just look at the audience view at 4:52...priceless!!
Still, thought she was hilarious personally--though, given my skin tone, I definitely can't "like" without feeling some deep reservation.
@@tfooaleik
Really? How do you figure?
I'm assuming you also think people are tired of "gender-based" comedy? Or "sexuality-based" comedy? What about "political" comedy? "Religious" comedy?
What do you want your comedy to be about? Pop stars and Twitter?
“Obama’s president, Kanye has an album, we’re winning!” God damn we fell off hard 😔
Agnello Dei it’s not enough. And Kanye is trash for the black community. 😭
Agnello Dei but they’re worse under Trump 😂. Unless you have evidence that I’m super wrong
Agnello Dei his racist policies? Him demeaning their culture?
@Agnello Dei Most of the changes taking place have resulted from the past actions of the Obama administration. We won't see Trump's real impact until several years in the future.
barih4prez lmao :(
I heard the brother in laws name and was like wait he's dutch?! Then she mentioned christmas and I knew right where it was headed lmao amazing
Yeah, the same old crap.
@@jonblackers4339 ofcourse YOU think its crap, Jon BLACKERS
never heard of this girl before but she's hilarious. why is she not more famous??
TaylorAmelia no idea. I think she was in the Netflix movie called Always be My Maybe though
She’s the speaker for the show on Netflix The Circle!! It’s a pretty good show!
She's the first performer on Netflix's The Comedy Lineup she's pretty funny
@@gvrvge Wow didn't know that thanks
She's getting her own Netflix stand up show this October
Micheal: I love Holland in the winter
Me who grew up in a Flemish family: I have a very bad feeling about this
?????
I’m Dutch and Koen/Coen is a pretty common name here, but my black a** had no idea it was a racial slur. Thanks for the education and for making me laugh
She said something so important here: "When I see blackface, I think about lynching. When he sees blackface, he thinks about Christmas presents."
There are so many people who don't identify as racists but don't understand what POC's POV is because they experience a completely different life than us.
This.
I'm black and I learned about black face a few years back. I'm from Ethiopia, even though we (Ethiopians) are black almost 90% of the population has very little idea of what POC go through, especially in America.
well it's not christmas presents... Sinterklaas is a completely different holiday...
And while the whole blackface thing is wrong, it's obvious in this case it is just a cultural difference where no one really cares about it in Belgium and The Netherlands because of the tradition. To us this kinda comes over as if you want us to change without always knowing how it started. Now 'Zwarte' Piet is called 'Roet' = (Ash) Piet or just basic 'Piet'.
@@veeeeeeeeee453 ehm no bro.
@@erutten2493 no thats my view on this thing-
Ah good old Zwarte Piet, the Christmas tradition misstep that keeps on giving. My bleeding heart mate recently asked me how I felt about him. "The same as gollywogs, Dude. Those who treasure him or those dolls spend so much time backtracking while explaining, it's like watching someone play a full game of tennis with themselves. Kinda funny, kinda of sad. One day they will decide it ain't worth it."
its not an x mas tradition
@Tread Knought if you're not black it isn't ypur business to put black paint on your face to "pretent" to be what ypu are not. It's offensive weather blacks are from Britain, dutch or any fcking where!
Lotte You and Jon are absolutely right that it’s not a Christmas tradition. That said as Sinterklaas is a mythological figure, his canon can develop and should. I genuinely not suggesting we tank all of Sinterklaas’s retinue just question if Zwarte Piet is needed and if so can be rewritten a bit. People trying to suggest he a sooty from chimneys or now is the actual gift giver are already doing that. One person just needs to be brave enough to edit his design for good and he may even be able to stay.
@@Firegen1
"Just question is Zwarte Piet is needed...."
Mate, Sinterklaas is a demented old bloke. Zwarte Piet has been saving the kids and the presents in movies and series since I was young.
While Nickelodeon showed me pre-Christma-stuff with overworked little people, slaving away in a mass-production-centre, with no windows, I was watching Clever Pete and Testing-Pete and Professor Pete and all the others solving crimes, drinking lemonade, relaxing on the couch, being given holidays to France to work on their artwork (Kunst-Pete that is, you can google him if you want.)
I mean, what do you want changed about his design?
Amsterdam changed him into a Kolonial gentleman, that didn't go down well with the anti-pete-groups.
And then they changed them into white people and our city got swamped with black people, trying to apply for Black Pete in our tiiiiny city, because 'we're not going to paint our fucking faces white.'
I mean, there is no solution, there's always going to be peopl that are unhappy.
And if you want to make *most* people happy, you clarify the difference between the national mythical superhero and common people that have skin that isn't covered in soot.
One philosophical question: Would it be better instead of White People "blackfacing" to honor one member of the "colored" society? Think about it that way, when netherlands people see a "black person" they think about something good - Christmas. While in america it is thought, that white people never associate good things from black people because HISTORY! Both countries had a history, but those two countries took other conclusions away from it. And THAT is important! You don't want to put people into sterotypes because it is racist, BUT to think everything overall is only one conclusion instead of two... you are doing the same. Doing sterotypes and ironically being racist towards another cultural group you might not completely understand, if you don't get to know them better and open your heart and mind. PS: No, I am not from netherlands. I just think it is interesting how everyone can have tunnel vision and do exactly that which they don't want to do in the first place... Humanity can still learn and grow from their mistakes... but I fear it is already too late for that.
He was tapping dancing to save his life 😂😩🤭
she's amazing! Addressing issues and raising awareness through her awesome comedy!
Okay, "Like a racist ventriloquist.." is the funniest line in this bit, and no one seems to have picked up on that.
I'd just be all "Listen man, I love you and all, but when we go outside, I'mo just call you Bob. And you better answer to it or I'm leaving your ass at the store."
Uhm... Santa has tons of slaves. We call them "elves".
Damn Santa Claus. Damn.
X mas is end december, Sinterklaas is around the 5th
That is a good point tbh.
Stop it. You know what she was talking about.
@@sunmont1461 yeah, she is talking crap
I used to listen to her podcasts Adulting and late night whenever.. sad that they've been stopped...
are her podcasts available online ??
@@mohamedkarti2362 I listened to Adulting on Spotify
Yeah what happened to both of them??? They just stopped!!
"Adulting" is supposed to be getting a stand up show on Netflix.
..you must be in your 20's, I can tell... because you have that look of hope on your face LoL 😂hahahaaa
Same in Germany with the three wise men. Children dress up as the three wise men and one of them is painted in blackface. Every time I try to talk about it it ends in huge fights, because 'tradition'
You mean you lose because you make yourself out to be ridiculous?
I have never seen it when I lived there, the kids who showed up were all normal-faced (no makeup) and 'white'. Edit: it was in a town near Munich.
@@mr.thongsong8473 Questioning blackface is ridiculous now? Sheesh.
@@jfm14 It has always been ridiculous.
But that is the tradition in Germany. Why should it change because of black people? Germany is a white country they have the right to take pride in their culture/traditions
For people who don't understand, Ziwarte Piet is actually VERY racist. Maybe just painting him black would be different, but the character features an afro, with black skin and huge red lips. Which makes absolutely no sense if your story is "He looks black because he went down the chimney and got soot all over him". It's like they're really trying to say "only black people would be dumb enough to go down a chimney". Originally it was definitely intended to be offensive.
I'm mixed race and I say...that there are so many things that have offensive origins...its high time to take the power of it out.
@@louistulloch1159 ok but no one is saying that there's power in it. We're saying that it's disrespectful. Black face is wrong. Whether we believe it has power or not
@@louistulloch1159 you being mixed doesn't make it ok for you to think black face is ok
Originaly zwarte piet is a muslim berber from spain tho. This michelle is wrong and so are you.
@@alexas5260 you say originally as if things don't get changed when white people get a hold of them.
Ever since I found out that Michelle was married to a Dutch man, I've been waiting to see what she would say about Zwarte Piet! And it was hilarious! 😂😂😂
Or "Rachelle Slur"
Rachel Sloar
Dibs on a new drag name
DYING
Umm.... 🙋♀️
Grace Rogers “please help me welcome to the stage, Rachelle Slur”
*She said "we're winning"...* 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Before watching the video, I spent ages trying to figure out how the name "Michele Buteau" could be interpretted as a slur
This was me too lmaooo
I was expecting the comment section to be swarming with Dutch people already, but I guess the title isn't triggering enough.
Just Google 'Zwarte Piet' and you won't be able to get around the fact that it is blatant blackface and a very racist caricature of black people.
Luckily a lot of places in the Netherlands have decided to change 'Black Peter' to just 'Peter' (or Pete) with some soot on its face, but Sinterklaas won't be a truly inclusive celebration until blackface has been completely erased from it.
@Messy There are many ways the character Pete has been coloured in order to step away from blackface. Ranging from some soot, to bright colours and even Petes with paint that makes them look like our famous waffle the stroopwafel.
Wouldn't that be sufficient? I'm not sure why you say 'no offense'.
If they actually can't find a black person, to play the part, how is it not inclusive? Who is being excluded? And from what?
@@amberfillmore3517 The part is nowadays supposed to be a helper who is black only because they came through the chimney. That would barely be an acceptable excuse for blackface as it is, but the fact that the Zwarte Piet character also includes an afro wig, red lipstick and golden hoop earrings makes the 'he's black because of the chimney!' story quite unbelievable. Plus the character is portrayed as a friendly, but silly, clueless helper that needs the quidance of the wise old Sinterklaas. So the idea is to change the character to 'Piet', which keeps its funny ways, but without the wig, lipstick and earrings and with soot smudges on its face instead of covering the whole face in black paint. This way the character actually fits the story that is told to children. Unfortunately a large part of the Netherlands can't accept this and wants to keep the Piet character black, for whatever reason.
@@amberfillmore3517 The celebration is not inclusive for children and people of colour, because of the way they're portrayed. Now blackface has a difficult past as it is, but specifically to Zwarte Piet:
- Decades ago the character was portrayed as scary and children were told they'd have to be good or otherwise Zwarte Piet would take them away.
- Later on the character became more friendly, but increasingly sillier, sometimes even with a Suriname (former Dutch colony) accent.
@@romycartiere7088 its a fictional story, a fairytale.
Me before googling a Zwarte Piet: huh… can’t be TOO bad…
Me after googling Zwarte Piet: 😳
YOOOOOOOO WTF
Maddie Hail zwarte Piet is admired and loved by every kid therefore it's not racist
People also search for Hoofdpiet
Dafuq?
Not Funny oh honey you don’t know what racism is do you? You’re telling me that jump Jim Crow isn’t racist cause white people were laughing and thought it was funny?
42 jade I grew up on Sinter Klaas, and so have all my relatives, and all of my friends. We all loved the Zwarte Pietjes in the parades. I don’t know a single racist person. You have no idea what you’re talking about. America is so quick to call something racist.
Kyland Just because you're ignorant to it doesn't make it any less racist. Blackface is racist regardless
I’m throughly convinced she was sent from heaven.
"Like a racist ventriloquist"
Damn, I just laughed my ass off at that one.
Had a guy in my highschool named Nigor everytime a teacher had to say his name his face went 😔
And yes, he was black so it sounded like the n word if you had an accent
Omfg 😅
I feel bad for laughing but at the same time the irony is too good XDD
I usually want to pronounce names properly but I’m calling you “Ny-George” instead
Coen is actually short for the older form Coenraad which is the Dutch form of the English Conrad so
So, that doesn't take away from the fact it coincidentally also sounds like a slur. She isn't saying it's intentional, just an unfortunate fact.
They do that too in flanders (belgium)........i have to bite my tongue every xmas . Because the b.s. story they give as traditional custom. Its actually banned in holland now though
Nice! Don’t bite your tongue, just be charismatic in giving your opinion, if you want. But I understand if it just feels like a waste of energy sometimes.
@@aphr0d it is indeed.....i would tell my latest story but seeing its work related....imma pass for now 😅
@@applesas942 because that's what hid folks taught him......but the truth never dies, people do. So i have hope for next generation to rise above it
you lie. its not during x mas but around the 5th of december. In most places in the Netherlands he is still black.
It's true that they no longer show him on national TV and in the official parades, but in smaller places these traditions are very hard to get rid of and people are holding onto that greasy paint for dear life.
I can relate when she started talking about running with a big chest. It's like being uppercut by a mma fighter.
😭😭😭😭
she's like Mila Kunis' older, wiser sister, idk why but Michelle reminds me of her a lil bit
Her eyes and expressions also look like Mila Kunis.
The eyebrows too
Oh God, we do this in Spain too... The 5th of January we have a parade in which the Three Wizard Kings do a parade in which they throw candy to the kids. For some reason, we represent them as two white guys and a black guy (when in theory they all should be asian, but that's another story), and for the longest time we used to have the black one be a white guy in blackface... Most cities have fixed it though!
McGuffin oh yeah I lived in Spain for two years, I think the black king’s name is Balthazar, it’s very problematic.
@@ameliesayshola8854 wait what's the problem with the name Balthasar? He's one of the king's that 'discovered' Jesus. He's pretty awesome.
clara ao melody the problem is the guy in black face....
@@sctonyc329 but like nobody's does blackface anymore
clara ao melody the OG poster said “most” cities have fixed it. Not all. Second, if you mean blackface is not a problem in the world anymore, you really need to do a quick google search.
But what happened to Coen? Did he drown in the mayonnaises
@all hipster moms who think calling your child the slur for Romani is OK: don't.
Recently had to have an "intervention" for a co-worker/social acquaintance hipster who wanted to named her daughter Gypsy Manuela Phoenix. After a lot of debate, she dropped the name to just Manuela Phoenix (better than nothing I guess)
@@hambone4984 Good for you!
@@hambone4984 you did a wonderful thing. I feel for people who are named that name and are aware it's a slur. Like yeah it's offensive but it's also their name, must be hard to accept it.
I already feel so bad for Gypsy Rose Blanchard, but her name is like icing on the cake of wtf parenting.
As a Dutch person with a dad named Coen this got real awkward
We had a series of books about Christmas around the world. I remember literally doing a double take when I came upon Black Pete in the Dutch book. My parents must have done something right because even then as a kid I saw how racist this was.
I love how much she knows, she KNOWS, about Dutch culture. The truly horrible, the truly hilarious, but also the weird stuff, like how she says "mayonaise". Dutch people LOVE mayonaise 😂
oh she couldn't keep santa and sinterklaas apart... we have both.
@@thatperson2478 okay random comment, i know we have both, but ya know, the name santa comes from sinterklaas so like most things it is very much connected
@@elisam.2896 Yes the root is for sure the same but since we have both with distinct traditions and practises surrounding them, it seems best to separate them and not mix them up.
@@thatperson2478 Okay that person, but who cares. The concept of "Santa Clause" literally comes from Sinterklaas. The Santa Clause we know now is literally just the dude that Coca Cola invented. It's not that deep.
As a dutch. Please Oprah. Fix us. Send someone
the whole story is nonsense.
@Tread Knought alright, now say that without crying
Chigozie Arts Chigo! You’re Igbo! Hey :)
Tread Knought wtf
@Tread Knought
How do you know he wasn't born there? Maybe one of his parents have had family from there for hundreds if not thousands of years and married a more recent immigrant.
You sound like a racist.
I’m never gonna be able to get “racist ventriloquist” out of my head. 😂
Damn she has nice teeth
I have seen more and more of her and I LOVE HER!! Her Netflix show is hilarious.
“Christmas in Holland” is my favorite RUN DMC jam
@1:38 did she say " Tig ol' biddies"?
I love that last bit. "And because marriage is a compromise, we celebrate Kwanzaa."
Yeah, that sounds about right.
"When I see blackface, I think of lynching. When my husband sees blackface, he thinks of Christmas presents"
Regardless, a tree is involved
Okay, that was both clever and dark. Applause.
If you're not black this comment is hella problematic
No tree actually at sinterklaas. It is not christmas.
Is she the presenter of The Circle ? Lol she’s awesome
Loosing your brother in law must have been has hard as us loosing our friend cihad at the airport 😅😅
When i moves to the Dutch Caribbean I couldn’t believe what my eyes were seeing when I saw ziwarte piet
Isn’t Coen pronounced “co-en”? 🤔
Apparently not in Dutch.
She's referring to the common Dutch given name Coen or Koen. It's pronounced differently than the surname/occasional given names Coen, Cohen, Cohn, Kohn, etc.
It's not traditionally pronounced that way. Koen, Coen are pronounced the same way as Kuhn (German). It comes from Coenraad, meaning the same as Conrad
JFM maybe she is from Surinam? Or Holland.
"Coen" like a racist ventriloquist 🤣🤣🤣
She is great
“Those tig old bitties”
Lollll
The dude yelling out in the crowd is the real mvp.
In my language that word means "murder"🤣
How can the Dutch not see that black face is degrading? I don’t understand.
Mara Joya it is possible that I didn't grab the same racial issues so they didn't take it as discriminating against another race but rather an expression of a tradition that they have. obviously it is offensive and ignorance does not excuse it but seeing that most countries at least back in the day were filled with naturally racist people they probably didn't think much of it
This comedy skit is very generalising to be honest. The Netherlands are torn around Sinterklaas because one big part of the country hates Black Pete and the other part wants to hold onto tradition. Its not like everyone is fine with it here. Most folk living in bigger cities are mostly or fully against Black Pete or can see that the tradition is old and not okay anymore but a lot of smaller places still hold onto it because... cultures just differ from place to place as much as it does in America or anywhere else. Official news outlets have already gotten rid of the entirely blackface Black Pete in favor of people just being painted with smudges as soot would ACTUALLY look on someones face. Theres a Sinterklaas Journaal (which is HUGE, all children watch it), which is a news channel only broadcasted around Sinterklaas season and theyve entirely gotten rid of Black Pete too. Its only ignorant communities that are still holding onto this tradition.
So yes, the Dutch can see black face is degrading, the entire country has been adjusting ever since Black Pete became a big vocal point here.
Dont mean to come over as agressive or anything but honestly Im completely tired of people generalising Dutch folk like were all just somehow okay with this, while thats entirely not the case. Im strongly against it and more and more people are.
Mara Joya they don’t have a history of minstrel shows or blackface there. The reason it’s a thing in America is because of the minstrel shows.
It’s hard to explain but like the negative connotations of blackface and minstrels shows that you have in the US ( blackface wasn’t done to celebrate black people lol) doesn’t translate to black Pete.
Black Pete is a very positive character and has no negative connotations so that’s why very little people see a problem with it.
A study among dutch kids showed they associate black Pete with clowns and not with black people. It’s complicated
i'm mixed with dutch and when i was a kid i had a school project about heritage and learning about how different cultures celebrate the holidays. i made the mistake of choosing that one first and ended up asking to change the country i chose. when i told my teacher why she choked on her coffee and looked horrified while holding back laughter. for the record, she was also black and learning this for the first time so at least i didn't have to experience that horrible revelation without an adult who fully understood why i was so distraught. it ruined christmas for a few years cause i'd see black people dressed like elves and remember the motherland but not for good reasons 😅
As a Dutch person I'm so ashamed this is still going on. It took me a while to realise how racist this tradition is because I grew up with this and as a kid you don't go 'oh those are a bunch of people doing blackface'. You just see a joyful celebration and "zwarte piet" giving sweets. As an adult I realised how fucked up this is and it definitely needs to change. This discussion has been going on in Holland for a couple of years and there is a big divide with people who don't want to face their beloved tradition is racist (and/or blatantly deny it) and people who have realised we can still enjoy our tradition without insulting and hurting people by just stop doing fucking blackface. There is slow and small transition going on by replacing blackface with soot marks (because zwarte piet goes through the chimney and """"that is why he's is black""""... it is factually based on a santa claus who had slaves) but there's still a lot of resistance because of ignorance.
She had me at racist ventriloquist...😂😂😂
“ Yea because he was tap dancing to save his life”
That's why we need to revise traditions from time to time, and why we need to learn history!
I will now use “Tig Bitties” to refer to my chihuahuas...
Oh I will also be using chihuahuas
Her swinging the mic around made me laugh so hard.
Note to self: Do not visit Holland around Christmas.
Kayla Elaine santa claus has nothing to do with Christmas in Holland so around Christmas all of this would already be over
I live here and it's really not that bad. Though it is weird to see so many people in blackface, it is just once a year.
@@NahvomaLena It shouldn't even be once a year because, the practice is racist.
Kayla Elaine we do also celebrate chrismas tho, so you get christmas times 2
Kay it is, but when you are a child you dont see it that way, you see pete and all the gifts and joy they give you.
Only when you grow up you realize that.
"Tig ol' Bitties"
She's got the gift!
I could watch her talk all day ❤️❤️. Perfect.
I dont know why this is in my recommended but this should be good
I wish a bit more information was included on the Sinterklaas thing. It's actually a huge discussion here trying to get rid of Zwarte Piet. Luckily the majority of us see how offensive it is to people of colour and have no issue simply adjusting Zwarte Piet to something else. It's supposed to be a fun holiday for kids, and the kids really dont care what Piet looks like as long as they get their presents. We've still got a long way to go but I'm hopeful with all the cities that have already banned Zwarte Piet that soon it's permanently changed for the better. I know there's a lot of people stuck up about this issue because 'tradition', but hearing this honestly made me feel so embarrassed, and I just wanted to say it's really not the case that all of us are dismissing this issue.
Michelle: "them tig ole biddies"
me: "aight, whatever it's coen."
I love herrr.
The fact that I didn’t realize that black Pete was an example of black face until earlier this year (because I forgot that it even existed for like 6 years because I moved to 🇮🇪 Ireland 🇮🇪 ) and now I’m haunted by the memory of my pre school having my class dress up as Pete. (We used black face paint) so now I live with the knowledge that I did black face when I was 4 😨😨😨 i hate that I even remember it.
It wasn't ment offensively in any way, the black people portrayed are like heroes to the kids. I was the girl zwarte piet in full outfit many times to not be recognised by little kids I knew.
“Tig. Ol. Bitties.” I said it five times and was like ohhhhhhh ! 😂😂😂😂😂 loveddd herrrr in Always Be My Maybe💕
Things are so changing in the Nederlands with our black Pete.
im totally in luh with this woman.
This woman is legitimately hilarious I’m upset I only just found out about her right now Wednesday morning 4:31 am
David Sedaris has a hilarious take on the Black Peter Dutch thing in one of his books can’t remember which one but it made me laugh so hard
My last name is snook and as a young new Zealander I use to use my last name backwards as a username.....I'm so happy I found out the meaning.
This routine was so good!
Tough crowd, I was laughing super hard, my new favourite female comedian🥰
I LOVE THIS WOMAN
She’s super funny 🤣♥️
"And you know our Santa's got like Elves, and Mrs Claus, and reindeer and stuff"
And Kris Kringle has two elves called Jingle and Jangle, a girlfriend called Noelle, and a movie about him called Santa goes to High School (maybe).
Yikes I’ve had my name like 20 years and never knew that lol
Does it spell Koen or Coen?
@@jonblackers4339 It's in her username. It's spelled the super bad way.
she was on a podcast called Green Eggs and Dan, and it SO GOOD. it’s a food podcast and it’s hilarious!
I used to have a married white couple who were regular customers to my workplace whose last name was "Heyniger" and yes, it was pronounced the very way you would hope it wasn't, especially because they had to confirm their name upon arrival. Weirdly, they never opted to just show their IDs, instead they announced their name aloud for all to hear...
She is one of the best comedians out there I wish she could get her own show
My name means “moaning” in my country 😂✌️
Thank you so much for making me laugh out loud!!! You are the best!!!