It's not a fair comparison Poor Jinhsi, she got nerfed the moment she was paired with 2 supports, 2 teammates of the same elements, which reduces her Forte regen and also no buff to her RS DMG. Camellya got her perfect team and still couldn't beat Jinhsi...
Hi, it is fair comparison because camellya doesn't have her zhezhi level of support yet either. Moreover, this Jinhsi team is the best, excluding Zhezhi team. However, I have a video ready for the next few days of S2 Camellya vs S2 Jinhsi WITH Zhezhi team this time around! Subscribe and stay tuned for the next comparison videos! I'm cooking many cool videos!
@@GachaGodFather how Camellya doesn't have "her own "Zhezhi'"? but both Zhezhi and Sanhua sequences buff the team ATK by 20%. Sanhua outro gives 38% BA DMG Amplified and Zhezhi 25% RS DMG Amplified. If you use Zhezhi in your next video with Jinhsi, it will go against your own word "Camellya doesn't have heer Zhezhi level support." At s2, Jinhsi can support herself. Zhezhi was for s0 Jinhsi. Make it make sense. If you are going to include Zhezhi for outro buff (RS), then it's best to use Toaqi. She gives better RS DMG 38% Amplified.
@@gwanetayla7683 Sanhua buff is equivalent to Taoqi/Lumi buff. Zhezhi buff is equivalent to the 2.0 5 star support rumoured to be released for camellya. Yes, I will use Zhezhi for the next video to compare their best teams right now. No, not going against my word. DO NOT confuse conclusions from this video with future ones. Each comparison is different! Lastly, no, Taoqi team is worse than the one I used in this video because she takes so much more field time and her buff does NOT compensate for it! Hope things are clear for you now. Have a nice day!
@@GachaGodFather If the Zhezhi video isn't coming tomorrow or anytime soon, then my bad for that part, but I still stand on everything else I said. Thank you, and you have a nice too.
Hi! Jinhsi doesn't always need full forte to be played. There are quickswap rotations like this one that do equally as good or better. But you will be happy to hear that one of my next videos will be S2 Jinhsi Zhezhi SK vs S2 Camellya Sanhua SK! So you will be able to witness the rotation you described!
Exactly! The difference at S0 is minimal. In one of my upcoming videos I use a new Camellya rotation and she does slightly better time too. Look forward to that one!
I will suggest watching the conclusion section of the video and I'd also like to inform you that I have a video ready of S2 Camellya vs S2 Jinhsi WITH Zhezhi! Subscribe and stay tuned for that!!!
@@basharmiqdad5161 No, Lumi does not have coordinated atks and her concerto efficiency is unknown at this time. She's just Taoqi with an extra buff at S6. Zhezhi is the one that solves the problem, who will be in the next videos!
Man risked their s6 jinhsi chances to pull camellya and her sig for this video, bold move. I swap changli as soon as I cast her heavy forte because it still goes through. It’s only canceled for me if I start it and get it overriden by her immediate ult. And I swap her as soon as I cast her res skill since it’s going through and I get something done with the other dps. So i think she had like 3 or 4 seconds to shave. I have yet to play camellya as much as I want to before I’m comfortable with what potential swaps I wanna do. Like she be swapped when her normal form starts spinning, and it’ll still go through. All in all I agree that camellya isn’t really powercreeping jinhsi. And if you’re lacking zz, then camellya is lacking her remoured 5 star support. Chagli would love another changli. She made due with rover. Til the next video~
Risked for this and many future videos. Hope it pays off and I still get S6 Jinhsi! Yes, I do that cancel with liberation normally. In this current showcase it could be done only in 1 spot in each fight saving miliseconds so around the same time. However, in every rotation in the game adjustments can be made and more cancels can be used if one wants to be sweaty enough. It is certainly a nice idea for "endgame" channel content of me trying to save as many seconds as possible from clears during livestreams! So overall I stand by the conclusion that they're super close in team dmg, which is nice to see!
Minor sweaty semantics but I’m still with the main part of your conclusion. I don’t cancel with liberation. I swap at the start of the changli’s res skill, let the other dps tickle the opponent for a second, and go back to changli. She keeps her mark and can dash at them to get her forte. That option was present at more than 1 spot per fight. Like in the very beginning at 00:50, you changli res skilled, swapped to rover, damaged, and swapped to changli and did her dash to get the stack. So you have the movements in you but opted to let the whole zig zag animation play out. 1:10 is a similarish case. So i think it would save more than a few mili seconds. I think that’s 50 50 on sweaty. Would the average player do it? Absolutely not. I also think you play better than the average player, but I don’t consider you sweaty. I just swap cancel with changli bc I’ve seen her zigzag wind up a thousand times so if I know im gonna swap anyway, then i might as well do the swap right away. I’m not memorizing anything, or breaking my fingers so i dont reaaally think it’s sweaty. It’s more of experience with a unit. While it’s true that every character can make use of some swap cancels to speed up their runs, changli has a larger portion of her kit swap cancel-able compared to other units. All of that said, I don’t disagree with your overall conclusion. I just think changli’s gap is even smaller with a shaved a few seconds.
@@angelofzera7398 loool I'm gonna ban you instead of Gleipnir. The 50 sec mark is literally less than half a second time saved (i slowed it down) which comes down to my laptop input delay at that point. It's whatever xD Now, the 1.10 mark is not swapped out on purpose. Rover concerto ends up at 99 soon after, which was intentional. This rotation with SK and not Verina is rather complex which is not easy to tell when watching it. I have to do a separate video to break it down. Cannot go through the whole video here. However, there is 1 spot in each fight that can save exactly 1 second (slowed the time there too). That spot is simple and not sweating. I was just tired by the restarts. Overall, I can give Changli maximum of 2 seconds faster clear. However, if we nitpick on the others I'm sure we can cut a few seconds there too. You're being more of a Changli simp than Gardende! hahahhaha (I understand what you're trying to say.. We're just discussing! All good!) Now as far as the playstyle goes, I optimise the rotations in terms of timing. Do I do quickswap and cancel? Yes, literally my 2nd video on the channel of 30 crests was possible due to quickswap. I was one of the earliest people to do it. Is that sweaty? Yes. However, now we have stronger units and I restart the fights a lot due to the rng during recordings so I do not feel the need to be extremely sweaty nowadays since I do not need the extra dmg like I did back then. With that said, I still see the value of that content as 'endgame' rotation optimizing with guides and record time clearance and it's a nice idea you gave me for the future. Let's continue this on discord if you want to discuss more!
Hi, no they are not. I tested those too. Only one possibly better is zhezhi/sk but I don't have her. However, as I explain in the conclusion it's still a fair comparison as Camellya is also missing her "zhezhi" level support coming possibly in 2.0! The reason for Taoqi/Yuanwu not being better is they take tons of field time while in this new rotation Verina/SK take minimal field time so overall I manage to do a better time with this team! And yes, I was as surprised as you when I found out! xD
@@dharshanv4047 If i run yuanwu taoqi, they take valuable field time, If i run yuanwu sk, then yuanwu takes lots of field time, if i run verina yuanwu i lose sk buffs. So in the end this team did the best time, because verina sk take minimal field time!
nice video and explanation🎉 I am confused because 3 ar amazing damage dealer what should i pull for only nuke. because i love nuke character who should i pull bro
Thank you so much! If you love nuke characters then the answer is simple. Pull Jinhsi. The vast majority of her dmg is her nuke. I am saving to S6 Jinhsi on her rerun as well! Soon I'll have S2 Camellya vs Jinhsi comparison video too! Stay tuned!
Nah. Jinhsi clearing just seconds before Camellya without anyone to properly stack her nuke and buff her skill, even when severely nerfed. can't beat that.
S6 Changli vs S6 Camellya is tomorrow! After that S2 Jinhsi vs S2 Camellya! With those 2 videos you will know which of them is stronger at higher investment. Not spoiling anything for now xD Ask me again after those haha
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It's not a fair comparison
Poor Jinhsi, she got nerfed the moment she was paired with 2 supports, 2 teammates of the same elements, which reduces her Forte regen and also no buff to her RS DMG. Camellya got her perfect team and still couldn't beat Jinhsi...
Hi, it is fair comparison because camellya doesn't have her zhezhi level of support yet either. Moreover, this Jinhsi team is the best, excluding Zhezhi team.
However, I have a video ready for the next few days of S2 Camellya vs S2 Jinhsi WITH Zhezhi team this time around!
Subscribe and stay tuned for the next comparison videos! I'm cooking many cool videos!
@@GachaGodFather how Camellya doesn't have "her own "Zhezhi'"? but both Zhezhi and Sanhua sequences buff the team ATK by 20%. Sanhua outro gives 38% BA DMG Amplified and Zhezhi 25% RS DMG Amplified.
If you use Zhezhi in your next video with Jinhsi, it will go against your own word "Camellya doesn't have heer Zhezhi level support." At s2, Jinhsi can support herself. Zhezhi was for s0 Jinhsi. Make it make sense. If you are going to include Zhezhi for outro buff (RS), then it's best to use Toaqi. She gives better RS DMG 38% Amplified.
@@gwanetayla7683 Sanhua buff is equivalent to Taoqi/Lumi buff. Zhezhi buff is equivalent to the 2.0 5 star support rumoured to be released for camellya.
Yes, I will use Zhezhi for the next video to compare their best teams right now.
No, not going against my word. DO NOT confuse conclusions from this video with future ones. Each comparison is different!
Lastly, no, Taoqi team is worse than the one I used in this video because she takes so much more field time and her buff does NOT compensate for it!
Hope things are clear for you now. Have a nice day!
@@GachaGodFather If the Zhezhi video isn't coming tomorrow or anytime soon, then my bad for that part, but I still stand on everything else I said. Thank you, and you have a nice too.
Wtf sanuha is @@GachaGodFather
Then again, this was bound to need to happen. All 3 of them have nukes in their skillset one way or another.
Tbh even Jiyan, Xiangli Yao have some form of nuke. I'll do comparisons with those as well, maybe even Encore thanks to Gleipnir account!
I’m starting to realize when these characters start to turn 2mins into 6mins and you have 24hrs in the day, that’s when you’re playing PGR again.
you mean because of their abilities pausing the timer?
@@GachaGodFather Yep, I actually thought Jinshi was slower than Camellya here but got played, it was just her animation time.
@@Tinpocalypse the wuwa illusion xD
Well-made video
thank you so much!!
Hey! Can you make one for
Xiangli yao vs Jiyan
Hi, I've made two separate ones of
Camellya vs Jiyan
Camellya vs Xiangli Yao
You can watch them on the channel right now!
@@GachaGodFather yes I have seen both of them, you make these kind of video on point, keep doing fam thanks !
@@Soloknocksplays thank you so much!
Jinshi forte is nevel full on this team comp, you only need 2 rotation with proper jinshi team
Hi! Jinhsi doesn't always need full forte to be played. There are quickswap rotations like this one that do equally as good or better. But you will be happy to hear that one of my next videos will be S2 Jinhsi Zhezhi SK vs S2 Camellya Sanhua SK! So you will be able to witness the rotation you described!
@ can’t wait to see it
Nerf is real. Forget her Forte, she didnt have anyone buffing her RS the main source damage
So basically they're the same. Just pick according your preferred playstyle.
Exactly! The difference at S0 is minimal. In one of my upcoming videos I use a new Camellya rotation and she does slightly better time too. Look forward to that one!
Jinhsi needs to have Zhezhi, to stack the passive with Verina, it's very slow
I will suggest watching the conclusion section of the video and I'd also like to inform you that I have a video ready of S2 Camellya vs S2 Jinhsi WITH Zhezhi! Subscribe and stay tuned for that!!!
@@GachaGodFatherI'm going to watch man, it's my fault I didn't go to the end because there was no zhezhi
Is lumi gonna solve this problem ??
@@basharmiqdad5161 No, Lumi does not have coordinated atks and her concerto efficiency is unknown at this time. She's just Taoqi with an extra buff at S6. Zhezhi is the one that solves the problem, who will be in the next videos!
Man risked their s6 jinhsi chances to pull camellya and her sig for this video, bold move.
I swap changli as soon as I cast her heavy forte because it still goes through. It’s only canceled for me if I start it and get it overriden by her immediate ult.
And I swap her as soon as I cast her res skill since it’s going through and I get something done with the other dps. So i think she had like 3 or 4 seconds to shave.
I have yet to play camellya as much as I want to before I’m comfortable with what potential swaps I wanna do. Like she be swapped when her normal form starts spinning, and it’ll still go through.
All in all I agree that camellya isn’t really powercreeping jinhsi.
And if you’re lacking zz, then camellya is lacking her remoured 5 star support.
Chagli would love another changli.
She made due with rover.
Til the next video~
Risked for this and many future videos. Hope it pays off and I still get S6 Jinhsi!
Yes, I do that cancel with liberation normally. In this current showcase it could be done only in 1 spot in each fight saving miliseconds so around the same time. However, in every rotation in the game adjustments can be made and more cancels can be used if one wants to be sweaty enough. It is certainly a nice idea for "endgame" channel content of me trying to save as many seconds as possible from clears during livestreams!
So overall I stand by the conclusion that they're super close in team dmg, which is nice to see!
Minor sweaty semantics but I’m still with the main part of your conclusion.
I don’t cancel with liberation.
I swap at the start of the changli’s res skill, let the other dps tickle the opponent for a second, and go back to changli.
She keeps her mark and can dash at them to get her forte. That option was present at more than 1 spot per fight. Like in the very beginning at 00:50, you changli res skilled, swapped to rover, damaged, and swapped to changli and did her dash to get the stack. So you have the movements in you but opted to let the whole zig zag animation play out.
1:10 is a similarish case.
So i think it would save more than a few mili seconds.
I think that’s 50 50 on sweaty.
Would the average player do it?
Absolutely not.
I also think you play better than the average player, but I don’t consider you sweaty.
I just swap cancel with changli bc I’ve seen her zigzag wind up a thousand times so if I know im gonna swap anyway, then i might as well do the swap right away. I’m not memorizing anything, or breaking my fingers so i dont reaaally think it’s sweaty. It’s more of experience with a unit.
While it’s true that every character can make use of some swap cancels to speed up their runs, changli has a larger portion of her kit swap cancel-able compared to other units.
All of that said, I don’t disagree with your overall conclusion.
I just think changli’s gap is even smaller with a shaved a few seconds.
@@angelofzera7398 loool I'm gonna ban you instead of Gleipnir. The 50 sec mark is literally less than half a second time saved (i slowed it down) which comes down to my laptop input delay at that point. It's whatever xD Now, the 1.10 mark is not swapped out on purpose. Rover concerto ends up at 99 soon after, which was intentional. This rotation with SK and not Verina is rather complex which is not easy to tell when watching it. I have to do a separate video to break it down. Cannot go through the whole video here. However, there is 1 spot in each fight that can save exactly 1 second (slowed the time there too). That spot is simple and not sweating. I was just tired by the restarts.
Overall, I can give Changli maximum of 2 seconds faster clear. However, if we nitpick on the others I'm sure we can cut a few seconds there too. You're being more of a Changli simp than Gardende! hahahhaha
(I understand what you're trying to say.. We're just discussing! All good!)
Now as far as the playstyle goes, I optimise the rotations in terms of timing. Do I do quickswap and cancel? Yes, literally my 2nd video on the channel of 30 crests was possible due to quickswap. I was one of the earliest people to do it. Is that sweaty? Yes. However, now we have stronger units and I restart the fights a lot due to the rng during recordings so I do not feel the need to be extremely sweaty nowadays since I do not need the extra dmg like I did back then.
With that said, I still see the value of that content as 'endgame' rotation optimizing with guides and record time clearance and it's a nice idea you gave me for the future.
Let's continue this on discord if you want to discuss more!
Ain’t no way u used both Verina and Shorekeeper
You didn't expect that right? haha
Surprisingly, they did an amazing time!
Whats the music in the aoe comparison part?
Good video btw
Taking it slow - ncs
Jinhsi team could be better if Taoqi and Yuanwu. Or Zhezhi and SK/Verina
Hi, no they are not. I tested those too. Only one possibly better is zhezhi/sk but I don't have her. However, as I explain in the conclusion it's still a fair comparison as Camellya is also missing her "zhezhi" level support coming possibly in 2.0!
The reason for Taoqi/Yuanwu not being better is they take tons of field time while in this new rotation Verina/SK take minimal field time so overall I manage to do a better time with this team!
And yes, I was as surprised as you when I found out! xD
Why not Yuanwu @@GachaGodFather
@@dharshanv4047 If i run yuanwu taoqi, they take valuable field time, If i run yuanwu sk, then yuanwu takes lots of field time, if i run verina yuanwu i lose sk buffs. So in the end this team did the best time, because verina sk take minimal field time!
Is Zhezhi + Yuanwu weaker than Zhezhi + SK/Verina?
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret zhezhi sk is the best team.. check my s2 comparison video that i uploaded today with that team!
nice video and explanation🎉
I am confused because 3 ar amazing damage dealer
what should i pull for only nuke.
because i love nuke character
who should i pull bro
Thank you so much!
If you love nuke characters then the answer is simple. Pull Jinhsi. The vast majority of her dmg is her nuke. I am saving to S6 Jinhsi on her rerun as well!
Soon I'll have S2 Camellya vs Jinhsi comparison video too! Stay tuned!
@GachaGodFather oh i see thanks btw
Nah. Jinhsi clearing just seconds before Camellya without anyone to properly stack her nuke and buff her skill, even when severely nerfed. can't beat that.
Zhezhi team comparison in the next videos! Subscribe and stay tuned!!
So what would you say with these same chars at s6? Is the difference still minimal?
S6 Changli vs S6 Camellya is tomorrow! After that S2 Jinhsi vs S2 Camellya! With those 2 videos you will know which of them is stronger at higher investment. Not spoiling anything for now xD Ask me again after those haha
Jinhsi wasn't building her stacks, This is an unfair comparison
Next video will be S2 Camellya vs S2 Zhezhi WITH Zhezhi team! Subsribe and look forward to that plz!