Actually, Camellya can considered as nuke. Her Forte Circuit: Ephemeral deals much more than Jinhsi for me. Idk why this creator's camellya only deal 150K but mine can deal 280K at S0.
Honestly, WuWa characters goes far beyond DPS, I look at each new character and the way they move, the types of attacks, the animations, each one is unique, it's not generic at all. If I could I would have them all, the team is doing a great job designing these characters.
Jinhsi didn't even need to use her liberation since the enemy was dead. That only delayed her time by a few secs. She always makes the competition so one sided. Don't include her next time. The only reason camellya was close to jinhsi's timing here is because jinhsi casted an unnecessary liberation
@@carlomeris2184 No, İ only have Jianxin and Verina. Didn't wanted to pull for shorekeeper since I was saving for camellya (and İ have her now) İ have 110 pulls now it is almost as if the next character is guaranteed too.
They're all strong in their respective ways. What kind of dmg they do is different also. Every character is worth pulling for and provides great value to your account.
I agree. That's what makes WuWa so much fun. There are so many ways to do damage that it almost comes down to play style. I cannot wait build Jinhsi and Changli fully... so far it's just Jiyan, Havoc Rover and XY who are fully built for me with Jinhsi and Changli most done (talents not done, signature weapons not on the account yet). And I want to build them all because they're all fun. :) **Ironically, I'll be skipping Camellya. I'm sure she's great, but my account is stacked and I haven't finished building the characters I already have. No point in chasing the new shiny toy when I haven't even played with all my toys already.
True but Jiyan value goes really really bad the only reason he is still good because we don't have any Aero DPS while Jinshi with the same reason (spectro has no dps besides her) can still complete with everyone because her scaling
Idk, the real winner here for me is Xiangli Yao. Let me explain the points. I think everyone can agree Jinhsi takes a long time to fill her forte, and her first nuke won't be as big. But she would still be the best at a longer boss. Camellya is a bit like Jiyan. comfortable, but lacks the utility for more damage. They both also take tremendous field time and force you to play their dedicated support. They can't be anything but hyper carry. Changli and Xiangli Yao on the other hand, require absolutely nothing to pull off similar results to these carries. You can do all of this with quickswap while being able to play another character too. While they are both good, Xiangli Yao is a few steps ahead Changli in both damage and easy swaps. You can see in video how even though they finished at the same time Changli was out of gas while Yao still had 2 of his empowered skills.
@@lukeaquino7141 do you even play her? Jinshi is the one that relies on her forte the most for damage, very often you will have to use her even without being able to full stack it and lose damage. So yeah she benefits the most from having it full. To really compare them he should have shown an actual rotation in their best teams, with everyone starting with nothing
@Rafael57YT I do, Jiyan and Jinhsi are my main DPS. Like I said it's fair, Jinhsi may rely on forte for her damage but her rotation when it's her time always comes with a full forte, I know this because I use her along with shorekeeper and zhezhi. Every single rotation when It's Jinhsi she always has full forte bar, and yes without forte bar Jinhsi might be at a disadvantage but this is a comparison with the character's maximum potential in damage output, and everyone is still on same terms. What's the point of comparing when you're limiting their damage per second. But I know that if there is no forte bar I guess Jinhsi might not be the fastest without any help with zhezhi or shorekeeper. I think what really matters here is that Camellya came close to Jinhsi even with Jinhsi having a full forte bar, I think that's the one topic everyone should be talking about especially when Camellya is a spin to win.
What's with everyone acting surprised with the stats It's basically food buffs, you'll know it from experience that reaching those stats are absurd even if you get double crits on each echo.
I think for S0 vs S0 it should be fair to have Jinhsi on 0 stacks at the start considering that's how most people would actually be playing with her unless they have S2 especially. It's fair considering a part of her gameplay is by how fast you can stack up
This "issue" is overstated Zhezhi literally gives Jinhsi max forte by the time you finish her short rotation. You guys really act like it's this mammoth task
@@wrath8704 Yeah but she's not getting a full stack skill on her first rotation or at the very least would take time to get her full stack, point is she still takes time to build those stacks up, having her full stack from the start removes that
@@Panda-yw4us I get what you saying but the point is that creator wants to compare their Max Dmg and they dont want to waste time so they full stacked Jinhsi Forte beforehand.
That's what i like about this game, almost everyone have a very close timing, the gameplay itself seen to be more relevant than the characters strength (except for support characters)
Jinhsi has alright AoE, but her nukes can easily end up targeting an enemy that's away from the group and thus, miss everything. If we one day get an healer with coordinated attacks that and crowd control, she'll definitely get even better - though i doubt that happens anytime soon.
I've never been able to get jinhsi to beat elites/solo bosses as good as changli. Infact my changli solo has a considerably larger clear time difference to jinhsi's comp. I'll never understand the jinhsi best DPS hype. The time she wastes outside her burst phase to get her forte is wasted, and her DPS goes into a downtime. Meanwhile my changli constantly keeps the DPS up without any buffs whatsoever. For reference my jinhsi team is with shore and zhizhi, or whatever her name is. Either way I've always considered changli the best "DPS". Jinhsi is a burster, and struggles outside that. Plus her crowd DPS is vastly inferior to changli. Her flexibility falls down immediately outside her best team. And her targeting in crowds (or even 2+ enemies) sucks. I haven't pulled camellya yet but from the looks of it she is more of changli's "consistent DPS" type. For that reason I might pull for her.
@@fangservicex2964 DPS stands for Damange Per Second, its not about consistency, and Jinshi got the higest at S0 as of this patch and its not hype its a objectively true statement. If your Jinshi is not doing better damage then you probably haven't built her properly. I use Changli's best team with Rover Havoc and Verina and they together clear a floor slower than my Jinshi with not even beast team with Taoqi and Yuawu so she carries the floor alone with lv 100 bosses, Yuanwu and Taoqi aren't even strong enough be considered sub DPSs, they barely tickles the boss yet my Jinshi absolutely demolishes them. As a reference my Changli and Jinshi are very close in stats. Jinshi got 2108 attk- 75:271 crt ratio while my Changli got 2158 atk- 74:9:273.6 crt ratio and both got their sig weapon Jinshi is still fairly flexible tho I use her with Yuanwu and Taoqi and she deals crazy damage, Yuanwu is even free and Taoqi is the worst character in the whole game, 1 copy of both of them are enough. In the events when I use her with Shorekeeper and Zhezhi she gets the most points lol so idk what's so hard about her for you, ig you just don't like character with nuke playstyle as they are bit harder to pull off compared to casual Changli and Camellya style and that's fine Her felexibility isn't even a issue if we talk about overworld as you don't need her max forte it so you can slot her in any team, I use Changli and Jinshi with Baizhi in overworld and I have never had any issue with flexibility whatsoever, I have even used her with Camellya and anything can work if you have good build character. In fact I stopped using her cause she was killing everything casually withought any forte bar Her crowd control is def lower but its not very inferior to Changli EDIT: Btw forgot to add using Jinshi with Taoqi and Yuanwu is def harder in the biggening as you need to full your forte bar compared to ZheZhi is a very slow process cause Yuanwu kinda sucks lol, but it does becomes easier as the battle goes on and you would be nuking every rotation in Tower of Adversity but you do have to be more skilled to time their outros right and ZhenZhi and other 5 stars like Yinlin makes it very casual but I got none of them. I also like to add that in TOA Changli also suffers from no skill resulting in damage loss, I had harder time with her in the TOA Overdrive Zone compare to my Jinshi cause of that so Changli also takes skill to swap cancel to not get 1 shotted btw both tower were made for them so I was able to do it on my 2nd try with Changli. Btw I didn't used Jinshi best team in the 1st one I only used Yuanwu and Baizhi with her instead of her max f2p damage team with Taoqi
what i like about this is all of them did a great damage to the boss unit and almost they near by like 5 or 7 sec this game really good with every character they add
It's already not a fair comparison because Camellia did not have her 10 flowers already stocked compared to jinsi who had full meter and changli who had full bar also...
This target doesn't have enough HP for any comparison to be fair. If you do it in the middle tower you should get similar results to this, but Camellya would be ahead of XY and Changli would probably be the worst
Essentially, if ur concerto is not full after stacking 10 crimson bud/consuming all the crimson pistil. U should R immediately to reach full concerto faster and cast ephermal afterward. Or just after the recharged pistil consumed. Since u won't gaining energy anyway due to the 0% energy modifier while still in budding mode
People saying Jinhsi is backloaded doesnt play her at all. Well yea, compared to Jinhsi, Cammelya is a lot more consistent but the moment you get that first intro from Jinhsi, she ramps up incredibly fast since her rotation takes like 10-15 seconds(depends if Verina already have her ult up) and within those 10-15 seconds, she already fills up her forte, and she do it again.
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz aight, I just finished it. With my 33111 74/257 Jinhsi S0R1 with Yuanwu and Verina, the time I had left was 3:15. Could've went higher when I didn't miss my crits but oh well, it's a 3 star so I don't want to do it again.
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz hmm good to know, but my point still stand since i wasnt arguing who's better, just saying that Jinhsi isnt backloaded as people seems. If we really want to have an accurate comparison, found some in yt or any social media platforms since from videos I watched, Jinshi deals 350K damage with S0R1 while mine barely deals 250k. Huge difference, In which tbh, that's what I'm aiming for so I'm still building her.
For a more consistent comparison, it would be a better choice to have them fight against Toa or hollogram bosses. Characters with low burst damage against these bosses with limited health is an unfair comparison.
What i would like to know is how good are they on the older 4 star weapons and see if they still are comparable to each other and who needs a 5 star weapon more
From this we all know jinhsi still the best. Changli, xiang liyao, and camellya are second. Jiyan last, well it's normal since jiyan is the first limited banner dps so now he got a little power creeped.
@@jahatkeh10 well every DPS character has their own unique use. Jiyan is the best at stacking multiple enemies and dealing AoE. Jinshi needs specific characters on her team to fill her forte bar and nuke. Changli's kit wasn't made like a main DPS. Her outro buffs are insane that's why people play quick-swap teams. XY deals insane liberation damage but not very good at AoE. Camellya just has multiple nukes as I'm seeing here. Every character is valuable in some way.
First he forgot to get the ten bud stacks for Ephemeral dmg bonus. He also forgot you’re supposed to use Ephemeral then ult. Because u get a basic attack dmg bonus from Ephemeral. And the ult is counted as basic atk dmg. If he did both of those that’s a easy 200k-300k dmg
Jiyan ult => hold attack 1 => dodge => hold attack 1 is way more damage. You have 2 dragons out permanently instead of 1. Jiyan can stack up to jinhsi against enemies that dont die in a single jinhsi E.
After seeing a bunch of speed runs I have learned that the dps characters in this game are actually pretty well balanced. Mainly the standard characters are harder to use but their dps is actually comparable to the best limited 5 star teams currently. Meaning even perfectly played Jinshi best team with her signature will lose to a lower tier perfectly played Calcharo team. Otherwise you would not constantly see Calcharo lead the pack in Tower of Adversity speed run clears. You have to remember that this is a team game and some characters can take advantage of their team much better than some people realize.
Не понимаю в чем прикол, посчитал весь крит шанс персонажа который у него есть с эхо и оружия, пасивки(если есть) все время разница в 20-40% в зависимости от персонажа, это как так, объяснит мне кто нибудь? Может я чего то не знаю. У чанли всего 46.3 крит шанс в статах, а на первых кадрах 90+ это как? И так у всех
Xiangli Yao is much easier and with better AoE + CC than calcharo. He was a free 5* at 1.2 patch so he basicalky replaced Calcharo as electro dps. @@zeusx6479
@@AimanZQ thats really sad wish u luck 🙂 I switched my old s1 Jiyan to her and she is so much better especially in overword because of his better aoe and cool style ^^
Only the guyz who knows to use jiyan properly with his rotations will know his true potential(skill cancel)...he is a god literally...ive got jhinsi xiangli yao too buddies ....plus i dont even have jiyan sig just using jhinsi s on him he is too good
Testing characters against a boss that gets 1 cycled from every single character doen't really make sense if you want to compare their overall dps not to mention that every character had all of thier fortes and buffs up right from the get go. Still interesting to see their nuke capabilities.
Someone took my crit luck, im always stuck between using a 80:160 or 60:220, all of my dps has those ratio lol Also i would say that in a boss fight, jinhsi is better/the best because she has so much nuke its insane but, in a sustained fight (like hologram and tower) camellya to me is way more comfortable to play
When I say camellya drained my astrites she drained my astrites got her in 60 pulls then I got her weapon 20 pulls twice on 0 pity on my second account got her in 46 pulls and now I’ll try get her again in my main close to 70 pulls done 50 I have shorkeeper and her sig on my second account and jinshi in my main with her sig
be quiet when you swap in with jinhsi shes supposed to have a full forte from her teamates so it is realistic you want camellya to be better than jinhsi so bad
@@akariyozuru It is a team based game. The enemy doesn't even have enough HP so it won't survive a rotation. If you do this in TOA middle tower (so you actually have to do multiple rotations) you will pretty much get the same result.
@@MistBestWaifu2 i know its a team based game but this is a comparison video so their startup must be at 0 not stacked already. My Camellya is even faster to clear than this video starting with 0 concerto but forget about it since my Camellya is already S6R4.
@@akariyozuru But then it isn't a fair comparison. The boss doesn't have enough HP. If they really wanted to they could just crit fish for XY and have him 1 shot it with a nuke. That's why I'm saying middle tower TOA is what shpuld have been used. Your S6R4 Camellya of course won't be beaten by anyone. She is the best S6 of any dps
@@bungarin4041 already happen with yohua , it's bound to happen . just wait until day or 2 and before the banner and see if u still want her . I heard we are getting aero next after cam who knows if they are better
hmm idk but based on what I see at this Video, The creator already have all of their forte's full including camellya concerto. but My camellya could just 1 shot Myriad in 1 Second only with Ephemeral Attack :D, I don't even need to use Buff lol.
Jinhsi main damage from forte and she already got full charged and she no need to use her Liberation while others like Jiyan Xianli Yao main damage from their Liberation and they already got full charged of Liberation and can use it from the start without use time to build it too
They are all good. She just came so its normal shes overtuned, not surprised. While i had fun, im pretty sure that a cringe teenage wrote her but yeah. Wuwa is getting worst pulls rates becoming garbage impact 2.0 i feel.
Jinhsi = best nuke (one shot)
Cammy = best dps (damage per second/overall dmg)
nah, true
Actually, Camellya can considered as nuke. Her Forte Circuit: Ephemeral deals much more than Jinhsi for me. Idk why this creator's camellya only deal 150K but mine can deal 280K at S0.
@@SayLess_gg nope camellya nuke dmg is not better than jinhsi but I definitely see why you would say that, shes busted asf
@@mrbayne8223 imo, she is more like combination of nuke and dps because of her high dmg spinning lol
@@SayLess_gg true lol
Honestly, WuWa characters goes far beyond DPS, I look at each new character and the way they move, the types of attacks, the animations, each one is unique, it's not generic at all. If I could I would have them all, the team is doing a great job designing these characters.
Same. I only started playing Wuwa because of Camellya. Got her R0S1
and that is the reason i pull for all of them, not their copies, i have everyone of 5 star characters on s0 hah
Testing it on middle tower will provide better information because u need to utilize full rotation on their team and kit.
World bosses are cooked by the time the healer and support/sub-dps are done with their shenanigans
true that gives you an actual feel on how good they are with tankier boss and only ult bar full
that and grouping up mobs which is the most annoying part on tower
Jinhsi didn't even need to use her liberation since the enemy was dead. That only delayed her time by a few secs. She always makes the competition so one sided. Don't include her next time. The only reason camellya was close to jinhsi's timing here is because jinhsi casted an unnecessary liberation
You're absolutely right. Seeing the ult made me cringe 😂
bro is mad over a less than 1 second difference in clear rofl
@@AmritSingh-gj5rw I don't see anything in their comment implying that they're mad, wdym? Guess stating fact is being mad these days?
@@AmritSingh-gj5rw Not mad. 2-3 seconds of wasted time makes the CC's damage test unreliable.
Bro is mad because of pixels
I still cant believe xiangli yao is free, he's too good to be
@@jaitokun9510 how can I get him
@@jaitokun9510 how to get him? Btw im new to the game
@@Smiling547 past event
@@Smiling547 you late mate, it not dree anymore
@@jinkazamasan2646 okk thanks for the reply
In conclusion: all are viable. Pull whatever you like 👍
@@JUICYbluepanda2 the only right comment
Yep and I have Xiangli Yao and Camellya as my dps I will pull for Jinshi and use her as a last resort if I can't clear it within the time limit
@@carlomeris2184 Yeah, İ have all 3 but don't use jinshi anymore since İ don't have any good teammates for her
@@JUICYbluepanda2 Of you have shorekeeper/verina and you can use specrro rover as a third member
@@carlomeris2184 No, İ only have Jianxin and Verina. Didn't wanted to pull for shorekeeper since I was saving for camellya (and İ have her now)
İ have 110 pulls now it is almost as if the next character is guaranteed too.
They're all strong in their respective ways. What kind of dmg they do is different also. Every character is worth pulling for and provides great value to your account.
I agree. That's what makes WuWa so much fun. There are so many ways to do damage that it almost comes down to play style. I cannot wait build Jinhsi and Changli fully... so far it's just Jiyan, Havoc Rover and XY who are fully built for me with Jinhsi and Changli most done (talents not done, signature weapons not on the account yet). And I want to build them all because they're all fun. :)
**Ironically, I'll be skipping Camellya. I'm sure she's great, but my account is stacked and I haven't finished building the characters I already have. No point in chasing the new shiny toy when I haven't even played with all my toys already.
Even Spectro Rover + all free non gacha characters can clear ToA. Given that you build enough.
I really hope Kuro keeps powercreep low like in Genshin.
@@nat6lbg440 the powercreep on HSR is insane thats why i quit HSR
True but Jiyan value goes really really bad the only reason he is still good because we don't have any Aero DPS while Jinshi with the same reason (spectro has no dps besides her) can still complete with everyone because her scaling
Celcharo isnt in the video cuz he finished too fast, we were unable to see him.
😨
Idk, the real winner here for me is Xiangli Yao. Let me explain the points.
I think everyone can agree Jinhsi takes a long time to fill her forte, and her first nuke won't be as big. But she would still be the best at a longer boss.
Camellya is a bit like Jiyan. comfortable, but lacks the utility for more damage. They both also take tremendous field time and force you to play their dedicated support. They can't be anything but hyper carry.
Changli and Xiangli Yao on the other hand, require absolutely nothing to pull off similar results to these carries. You can do all of this with quickswap while being able to play another character too.
While they are both good, Xiangli Yao is a few steps ahead Changli in both damage and easy swaps. You can see in video how even though they finished at the same time Changli was out of gas while Yao still had 2 of his empowered skills.
Unfair comparison. You started with Full forte jinshi, which is the biggest hardle for her damage. Preparing jinshi for Nukes takes time.
@@TechTalk0069 dumbass he did the same for every character...
I mean everyone got full forte🤷♂️
All DPS are good they just deal damage differently
@@lukeaquino7141 do you even play her? Jinshi is the one that relies on her forte the most for damage, very often you will have to use her even without being able to full stack it and lose damage.
So yeah she benefits the most from having it full. To really compare them he should have shown an actual rotation in their best teams, with everyone starting with nothing
@Rafael57YT I do, Jiyan and Jinhsi are my main DPS. Like I said it's fair, Jinhsi may rely on forte for her damage but her rotation when it's her time always comes with a full forte, I know this because I use her along with shorekeeper and zhezhi. Every single rotation when It's Jinhsi she always has full forte bar, and yes without forte bar Jinhsi might be at a disadvantage but this is a comparison with the character's maximum potential in damage output, and everyone is still on same terms. What's the point of comparing when you're limiting their damage per second. But I know that if there is no forte bar I guess Jinhsi might not be the fastest without any help with zhezhi or shorekeeper. I think what really matters here is that Camellya came close to Jinhsi even with Jinhsi having a full forte bar, I think that's the one topic everyone should be talking about especially when Camellya is a spin to win.
@@lukeaquino7141 jiyan's DMG doesn't depend much on full forte compared to jinshi
What the hell are those Crit stats. I'm here struggling to choose between 80/230 or 60/270, this dude has all the DPS at 90/290.
Food buff
My Jiyan with team buffs has 3602ATK, 80.8 Crit. Rate and 390.2 Crit. Damage (without food buff)
at least u got good echos.... im struggling with 50/260 and
@@hatrozz1168 boy what are you babbling about 390.2 crit dmg is extremely impossible even with food buff
My zhongli yao has cr 72 and cdmg 280
My changi has cr 78 and cdmg 258
What's with everyone acting surprised with the stats
It's basically food buffs, you'll know it from experience that reaching those stats are absurd even if you get double crits on each echo.
now imagine if wuthering waves was a game where you could use a third character in your party.
it would be crazy
Omg that would be crazy
I think for S0 vs S0 it should be fair to have Jinhsi on 0 stacks at the start considering that's how most people would actually be playing with her unless they have S2 especially. It's fair considering a part of her gameplay is by how fast you can stack up
This "issue" is overstated Zhezhi literally gives Jinhsi max forte by the time you finish her short rotation. You guys really act like it's this mammoth task
verina/mortefi/yuanwu/yinlin also exist
@@wrath8704 Yeah but she's not getting a full stack skill on her first rotation or at the very least would take time to get her full stack, point is she still takes time to build those stacks up, having her full stack from the start removes that
@@Panda-yw4us I get what you saying but the point is that creator wants to compare their Max Dmg and they dont want to waste time so they full stacked Jinhsi Forte beforehand.
That's what i like about this game, almost everyone have a very close timing, the gameplay itself seen to be more relevant than the characters strength (except for support characters)
Wtf are those Godly stats tho
@@claire4710 same question bro that stats are way to extraordinary
The Holy Food 😉
That's from food's buff
@@dhruvkhare3531 of course food buffs getting stats like that are impossible you’d have to be even lucky to get close haha
Its normal stats, not godly.
The average gacha player just sucks so much that they cant even clear the lvl 80 holograms lmao
Jinhsi is the best single target dps and has splash damage but sucks at crowd control while the rest are more inclined towards Aoe and crowd control
Jinhsi has alright AoE, but her nukes can easily end up targeting an enemy that's away from the group and thus, miss everything. If we one day get an healer with coordinated attacks that and crowd control, she'll definitely get even better - though i doubt that happens anytime soon.
I've never been able to get jinhsi to beat elites/solo bosses as good as changli. Infact my changli solo has a considerably larger clear time difference to jinhsi's comp. I'll never understand the jinhsi best DPS hype. The time she wastes outside her burst phase to get her forte is wasted, and her DPS goes into a downtime. Meanwhile my changli constantly keeps the DPS up without any buffs whatsoever.
For reference my jinhsi team is with shore and zhizhi, or whatever her name is.
Either way I've always considered changli the best "DPS". Jinhsi is a burster, and struggles outside that. Plus her crowd DPS is vastly inferior to changli. Her flexibility falls down immediately outside her best team. And her targeting in crowds (or even 2+ enemies) sucks.
I haven't pulled camellya yet but from the looks of it she is more of changli's "consistent DPS" type. For that reason I might pull for her.
@@fangservicex2964 DPS stands for Damange Per Second, its not about consistency, and Jinshi got the higest at S0 as of this patch and its not hype its a objectively true statement.
If your Jinshi is not doing better damage then you probably haven't built her properly. I use Changli's best team with Rover Havoc and Verina and they together clear a floor slower than my Jinshi with not even beast team with Taoqi and Yuawu so she carries the floor alone with lv 100 bosses, Yuanwu and Taoqi aren't even strong enough be considered sub DPSs, they barely tickles the boss yet my Jinshi absolutely demolishes them. As a reference my Changli and Jinshi are very close in stats. Jinshi got 2108 attk- 75:271 crt ratio while my Changli got 2158 atk- 74:9:273.6 crt ratio and both got their sig weapon
Jinshi is still fairly flexible tho I use her with Yuanwu and Taoqi and she deals crazy damage, Yuanwu is even free and Taoqi is the worst character in the whole game, 1 copy of both of them are enough. In the events when I use her with Shorekeeper and Zhezhi she gets the most points lol so idk what's so hard about her for you, ig you just don't like character with nuke playstyle as they are bit harder to pull off compared to casual Changli and Camellya style and that's fine
Her felexibility isn't even a issue if we talk about overworld as you don't need her max forte it so you can slot her in any team, I use Changli and Jinshi with Baizhi in overworld and I have never had any issue with flexibility whatsoever, I have even used her with Camellya and anything can work if you have good build character. In fact I stopped using her cause she was killing everything casually withought any forte bar
Her crowd control is def lower but its not very inferior to Changli
EDIT: Btw forgot to add using Jinshi with Taoqi and Yuanwu is def harder in the biggening as you need to full your forte bar compared to ZheZhi is a very slow process cause Yuanwu kinda sucks lol, but it does becomes easier as the battle goes on and you would be nuking every rotation in Tower of Adversity but you do have to be more skilled to time their outros right and ZhenZhi and other 5 stars like Yinlin makes it very casual but I got none of them.
I also like to add that in TOA Changli also suffers from no skill resulting in damage loss, I had harder time with her in the TOA Overdrive Zone compare to my Jinshi cause of that so Changli also takes skill to swap cancel to not get 1 shotted btw both tower were made for them so I was able to do it on my 2nd try with Changli.
Btw I didn't used Jinshi best team in the 1st one I only used Yuanwu and Baizhi with her instead of her max f2p damage team with Taoqi
so basically
1. Jinshi, Camellya
2. Changli, Xiangli Yao
3. Jiyan
apparently pryden disagrees no wonder the cn tier list better
@@strange_editor what is the website for cn tier list
no Jinshi is still miles better than Camellya
@@strange_editor what CN tier list rofl. waht lie is this. everyone knows Jinshi still better
Hell nah
Midyan much better than chadgli
what i like about this
is all of them did a great damage to the boss unit and almost they near by like 5 or 7 sec
this game really good with every character they add
It's already not a fair comparison because Camellia did not have her 10 flowers already stocked compared to jinsi who had full meter and changli who had full bar also...
This target doesn't have enough HP for any comparison to be fair. If you do it in the middle tower you should get similar results to this, but Camellya would be ahead of XY and Changli would probably be the worst
With Camellya You should do her E before her R
Her budding mode:sweet dream doesn't affect her liberation, and her liberation doesn't considered as BA
Essentially, if ur concerto is not full after stacking 10 crimson bud/consuming all the crimson pistil. U should R immediately to reach full concerto faster and cast ephermal afterward. Or just after the recharged pistil consumed. Since u won't gaining energy anyway due to the 0% energy modifier while still in budding mode
People saying Jinhsi is backloaded doesnt play her at all. Well yea, compared to Jinhsi, Cammelya is a lot more consistent but the moment you get that first intro from Jinhsi, she ramps up incredibly fast since her rotation takes like 10-15 seconds(depends if Verina already have her ult up) and within those 10-15 seconds, she already fills up her forte, and she do it again.
do monkey in toa middle chamber with ur jinhsi then, ill compare with my s0r1 camellya with f2p team
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz aight, I just finished it. With my 33111 74/257 Jinhsi S0R1 with Yuanwu and Verina, the time I had left was 3:15. Could've went higher when I didn't miss my crits but oh well, it's a 3 star so I don't want to do it again.
@@julius_pat yeah well my camellya ends the monke chamber in 4:11 , so yeah camellya wins by a landslide thats all
@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz hmm good to know, but my point still stand since i wasnt arguing who's better, just saying that Jinhsi isnt backloaded as people seems. If we really want to have an accurate comparison, found some in yt or any social media platforms since from videos I watched, Jinshi deals 350K damage with S0R1 while mine barely deals 250k. Huge difference, In which tbh, that's what I'm aiming for so I'm still building her.
For a more consistent comparison, it would be a better choice to have them fight against Toa or hollogram bosses.
Characters with low burst damage against these bosses with limited health is an unfair comparison.
1. Jinshi always number 1 😲
2. Camellya (my beloved 🥰)
3. XLY& Changli (same time) 😱
4. Jiyan
What i would like to know is how good are they on the older 4 star weapons and see if they still are comparable to each other and who needs a 5 star weapon more
if you include jinhsi, the video result is clear. jinhsi nuke is just too ridiculous to compare
Among them, best DPS is definitely Encore
From this we all know jinhsi still the best. Changli, xiang liyao, and camellya are second. Jiyan last, well it's normal since jiyan is the first limited banner dps so now he got a little power creeped.
S6R5 Jiyan is a monster😊
@@jahatkeh10 well every DPS character has their own unique use. Jiyan is the best at stacking multiple enemies and dealing AoE. Jinshi needs specific characters on her team to fill her forte bar and nuke. Changli's kit wasn't made like a main DPS. Her outro buffs are insane that's why people play quick-swap teams. XY deals insane liberation damage but not very good at AoE. Camellya just has multiple nukes as I'm seeing here. Every character is valuable in some way.
Yeah it's looking like C0 Jinhsi > C0 Camellya, but C6 Camellya > C6 Jinshi
@@johnhallow more like S2 Camellya > S2 Jinhsi. Camellya's S2 is the best in the game, whereas Jinhsi's is quite possible the worst lol.
He is strong with his signature
What was the song used?
illusive realm ost
Camellia is Crazy besides jinshi 😍💯👍
First he forgot to get the ten bud stacks for Ephemeral dmg bonus. He also forgot you’re supposed to use Ephemeral then ult. Because u get a basic attack dmg bonus from Ephemeral. And the ult is counted as basic atk dmg. If he did both of those that’s a easy 200k-300k dmg
I DID DAMAGE CALCULATION AND JINSHI DO 300K PER TICK WHILE CAMELLYA DO 260K.
It highly depends on the build and weapon, what calculations did you do?
@Gota82 Both with 65 vr and 240 cd with their signature .max talents
@@Kumikinang lol, mine does 380k in toa with 69/280
@@Ali-kun16 anything else?
Jiyan ult => hold attack 1 => dodge => hold attack 1 is way more damage. You have 2 dragons out permanently instead of 1.
Jiyan can stack up to jinhsi against enemies that dont die in a single jinhsi E.
God knows why I'm saving for jinhsi in the next patch, I like her parts in the story and also her character design ❤
After seeing a bunch of speed runs I have learned that the dps characters in this game are actually pretty well balanced. Mainly the standard characters are harder to use but their dps is actually comparable to the best limited 5 star teams currently. Meaning even perfectly played Jinshi best team with her signature will lose to a lower tier perfectly played Calcharo team.
Otherwise you would not constantly see Calcharo lead the pack in Tower of Adversity speed run clears.
You have to remember that this is a team game and some characters can take advantage of their team much better than some people realize.
Jinhsi and Xiangli Yao are the best DPS till now. Max numbers say everything.
Is xianli yao a better dps than yinlin?
@@systemhalifax1241 yinlin isnt a dps
@@systemhalifax1241 Yinlin sub dps / support. But she cant take the role of DPS, she buffs Xiangli Yao Resonance Liberation (ULT)
I recommend pulling for Jinhsi if you dont have her, and her signature R1.
@@mirwanmuzani6632 lul saying yinlin isn't a DPS is crazy 🤣
Не понимаю в чем прикол, посчитал весь крит шанс персонажа который у него есть с эхо и оружия, пасивки(если есть) все время разница в 20-40% в зависимости от персонажа, это как так, объяснит мне кто нибудь? Может я чего то не знаю.
У чанли всего 46.3 крит шанс в статах, а на первых кадрах 90+ это как? И так у всех
Не тупи, бафы от еды у него,это же очевидно.
Im so glad i pulled jinhsi s1r1 omgg
i got s0r1 but im still glad hehe
My jiyan does 14k dmg with shorekepper
Who asked
@@stanpixy0183 I asked
@@stanpixy0183jiyan hater ?
@@stanpixy0183 i asked him
@@stanpixy0183 so meanie
these tests need to be done against ToA bosses cause most of the characters didnt even finish their full rotation
Every dps is strong if you have 90 crit rate 260+ crit Damage. This a common knowledge in gacha games
Can you do a test with stronger boss and bis team? It can be interesting
Whats the song
Song??? 👀
Song name? Goes way too hard to not be on my playlist
illusive realm ost (ss)
Uploader: narushio
Around 3:48 of that video not this one
Did you press it?😂
@@MarkJunFormalejo Thanks a tun vro
How do you reach over 88% CR if you only have like 37% in echoes?
They're the best DPS in their Element 🥰
I'm still missing Aero, Glacio, and Spectro DPS.
Next Carlotta Glacio DPS 😍
Music name???? ik it's wuwa music but don't know it's name.
Your stat are so good man
the enemy HP is so low to matter :/
All of this just to make jihnsi look good
Best jinshi, jinyan later changli but about c2 and I guess the worst for me is camellya
Bruh how are all of your resonators have lots of cd and cr wth
@@Indebotoh makes sense
Biblically accurate Cannon to the lore damage
Based Aether Gazer PFP
The fact that Calcharo isn't here speaks volume. As his main, this hurts
Why bro, isnt calcharo one of the best dps? I recently started so i dont know much about the game
Xiangli Yao is much easier and with better AoE + CC than calcharo. He was a free 5* at 1.2 patch so he basicalky replaced Calcharo as electro dps. @@zeusx6479
how do you all got all the good stats on echos?
isn't xiangli yao set suppose to be void thunder ??
Lingering for fast rotation/getting buff, for me i don't use void bcs if you use thundering it's kinda wasting a bit time.
I got Camellya after only 20 pulls iam so happy 🥳and her weapon after 30 🤭
U lucky man i lost 50/50 to lingyang at 15 pity I'm so sad😢, Im completely broke now
@@AimanZQ thats really sad wish u luck 🙂
I switched my old s1 Jiyan to her and she is so much better especially in overword because of his better aoe and cool style ^^
@@Brodidodi wow I'm gonna cry
gz man. I need to do more research, waiting for next patch leak to decided who to pulls since it 100% guarantee.
What about Zhezhi? She's both on field and off field DPS
She is semi-support just like Yinlin
Only the guyz who knows to use jiyan properly with his rotations will know his true potential(skill cancel)...he is a god literally...ive got jhinsi xiangli yao too buddies ....plus i dont even have jiyan sig just using jhinsi s on him he is too good
Why did bro use an atk set on Xiangli?
I have all of them S1R1 except Changli😭
Why does changli have a healing bonus stat?
this isn't a fair comparison, it didn't include the prep tine required to maximize the dmg output of each character
I have all of them but didn't build anyone
i’m thinking how much better will be camellya after rococo launch
Testing characters against a boss that gets 1 cycled from every single character doen't really make sense if you want to compare their overall dps not to mention that every character had all of thier fortes and buffs up right from the get go. Still interesting to see their nuke capabilities.
In conclusion every dps chara is OP and good carry. Ecxept for Calcarot got powercreep so bad
What the song name?
Someone took my crit luck, im always stuck between using a 80:160 or 60:220, all of my dps has those ratio lol
Also i would say that in a boss fight, jinhsi is better/the best because she has so much nuke its insane but, in a sustained fight (like hologram and tower) camellya to me is way more comfortable to play
When I say camellya drained my astrites she drained my astrites got her in 60 pulls then I got her weapon 20 pulls twice on 0 pity on my second account got her in 46 pulls and now I’ll try get her again in my main close to 70 pulls done 50 I have shorkeeper and her sig on my second account and jinshi in my main with her sig
this not genshin, kuro just wants us to have fun with characters that we like
Why did you guys press like on this vid lmao
try again without their forte's and concerto(for camellya) full and you can see which one is better and faster.
be quiet when you swap in with jinhsi shes supposed to have a full forte from her teamates so it is realistic you want camellya to be better than jinhsi so bad
@@redditstories01382 yor comment is a proof that jinhsi can't solo. clear.
@@akariyozuru It is a team based game. The enemy doesn't even have enough HP so it won't survive a rotation. If you do this in TOA middle tower (so you actually have to do multiple rotations) you will pretty much get the same result.
@@MistBestWaifu2 i know its a team based game but this is a comparison video so their startup must be at 0 not stacked already. My Camellya is even faster to clear than this video starting with 0 concerto but forget about it since my Camellya is already S6R4.
@@akariyozuru But then it isn't a fair comparison. The boss doesn't have enough HP. If they really wanted to they could just crit fish for XY and have him 1 shot it with a nuke. That's why I'm saying middle tower TOA is what shpuld have been used. Your S6R4 Camellya of course won't be beaten by anyone. She is the best S6 of any dps
You'll arguing about Camellya and Jinshi but damm that Changli is broken for that much dmg being a sub dps lol
What does this measure? One shot potential?
Wow! Camellya 😱😱😱
Хотелось бы увидеть урон без учета бафа едой
Using a max forte jinshi definately fair comparison
Cuáles son las comidas que usa?
these crit ratio's are insane
Xiangli yal is best dps in area, Jinshi in vs boss and shorekeeper best healer.
What is chang li doing here? She's a quickswab hybrid dps not a hyper carry
She has trait as main dmg dealer
@ao4474 she's a quick swap DPS not a Hyper carry DPS. Learn the difference
@@TrapConnoisseur. Ok kiddo.
@ao4474 if you don't know what to say just don't reply dude
@@TrapConnoisseur. Dont cry gae.
아니 스펙이 말이 안되잖아ㅋㅋㅋ
Lore wise, jinshi will always toped those char below her because shes magistrate.
sigh i dont know if i should pull camellya or wait for yinlin cuz I need sub dps
Just wait until what new character are coming after cam
@@kenfern2259 yea ur right. Lumi is not even in Cam's banner which is disappointing
@@bungarin4041 already happen with yohua , it's bound to happen . just wait until day or 2 and before the banner and see if u still want her . I heard we are getting aero next after cam who knows if they are better
where are you getting so much cr from bro
My Jinhsi have 100.4% cr and 230% cd 😮
Jinshi is simple and easy to use with insane damage, she appear last just to spit massive damage 😂
Crazy how OP XY and giving for it for free🗿
Im still favouring my boy Xiangli Yao for me he’s the best dps
hmm idk but based on what I see at this Video, The creator already have all of their forte's full including camellya concerto. but My camellya could just 1 shot Myriad in 1 Second only with Ephemeral Attack :D, I don't even need to use Buff lol.
Song name
Not really a fair demonstration when Jinshi already had her gauge maxed out while others like Camellya had to ramp it up from the beginning.
@@Absolute__Zero bruh she also had build in forte look again
@@Yoinkqiqi That's the problem, Camellya has to consume her forte gauge to gain stacks until concerto is full.
Jinhsi main damage from forte and she already got full charged and she no need to use her Liberation while others like Jiyan Xianli Yao main damage from their Liberation and they already got full charged of Liberation and can use it from the start without use time to build it too
So in other words the only SS tier is still Jinhsi and all others are still S tier.
ok but what the actual hell is Jinhsi
Madam Magistrate is formidable 😮🎉
Seems like they are all good get whoever you like more
For a free unit, Xiangli yao is formidable
Music?
1.2 illusive realm ost
They are all good.
She just came so its normal shes overtuned, not surprised. While i had fun, im pretty sure that a cringe teenage wrote her but yeah. Wuwa is getting worst pulls rates becoming garbage impact 2.0 i feel.