simply beautiful!!! This settles the unending and empty winding debates abt the notorious confusion surrounding this glorious, and imminent event. May those who love sound teaching admire the wisdom of Jésus Christ - our soon-coming King.
we try to separate his coming from the gathering to try and make these verses fit a pre-trib doctrine but we can't do that...all timing of the gathering is shown in matthew and the fact that its during the last trumpet.
Daniel 12. In verse 13 Daniel is told to , "Go thy way until the end be" then "you will stand or rise to your lot at the end of the days". Daniel will be raised from death at the end of the days. So from what Gabriel tells Daniel, his resurrection, (and the resurrection of all the saints for that matter), and the Rapture which is tied to the resurrection in 1Thes. 4:15-17 and 1Cor. 15:51 will come at the end of the final seven years of this age; not before.
for those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. If you are not deceived then answer this question This great trumpet sounding in Mat 24:31 is it before or after the Last trump?
After the rapture occurs there will be many that become believers. I personally believe that during the tribulation millions will become believers and will be the largest in gathering of believes in all of recorded history. I think it would be hard to sit on the fence during this time frame.
We pretty much agree on all aspects of it. : ) Those with greater knowledge that is ignored or not used will be judged harsher than those new believers. Nice to see you. I miss your videos.
@rickcappetto in the new testament we see his coming and the gathering in the same verse and context. And we are told that that day..his coming and our gathering cannot happen until the great falling away and that man of sin be revealed. We try to pull the gathering out of that but even jesus puts it in that order in Mat 24..why should we think any differently?
If the rapture is an "imminent" event, why do so called"prophecy" teachers always give people an opportunity to "purchase" their teaching at the end of their broadcast? Why not give it away to help their fellow christians? All this guy is talking about is analogy this and that. I have never seen anywhere in scripture where it says there will be 7yrs. of tribulation. All I see is,times,times and half a time,42months,3 1/2 yrs. Where does 7yrs come from? If it was a wk of Dan why not Rev11:11?3yr?
I have many videos in my playlist that I don't agree 100% but it's food for thought. Can always learn something. And who can claim to be 100% accurate with it all? I have some favorites that seem to be most accurate. Yes- more than a few of your videos can be found there. : ) God bless!
Whether or not the Lord takes you in the rapture is not dependent upon when you believe it is, only that you are his child, born and free, sealed by the Holy Spirit. And any believer who is his, is awaiting that glorious day.
If they are in that extreme, I can agree. If 'they' are not ready, they will be in the lukewarm group. An open mind and not a hardened heart is a good thing. New moon wasn't seen I understand. So maybe Monday evening in Jerusalem. : )
That place in John 14:1-3 is the bride itself according to Rev. 19:17, It makes sense that if Christ returns to earth, then that place is finish. Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Ronnie Murphy thats NOT the bride, it's a city called Jerusalem! read last verse after description of city, verse 27 there shall in no wise enter into it... but they which are written in the LAMBs book of life. Common sense, how can you enter something that you allegedly are? Sheep are not precious stones ect... Maybe you should ask for wisdom now, you're already forgiven so learn the truth BIBLE for yourself instead of a "man" giving his opinion instead of Gods Word.
may i answer ur question that the rapture will take u to :1 Thes 4 16-17 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Rev 19:17-18 Jesus n Saints will slain soldiers in armageddon
@theoferrum actually one needs to read the entire document and remember that our definition of certain words that they used may not mean the same as they do to us today. he taught that no event had to precede the antichrist.
@THERAPTURECOMES what if it is like this instead.....christ the firstfruit...the rapture at his coming....and then the final gleaning which takes place at the end of the 1000 years? we can't ignore that one can we?
The bible doesn’t mention the tribulation being 7yrs. Only the covenant. Also tribulation means persecution. Thilipsis in Greek. The wrath of god is Orge (wrath) The word tribulation can not be used for the latter part of the period.
One week = 7 years. If you don't understand that this is the reference to the 7 years, then you need to go back and read the Word again... because Scripture explains Scripture. Tribulation is what we have been undergoing since Jesus' resurrection, and even before, as He, Himself, was persecuted. The Wrath of God is reserved for the worst time on the earth, when God completely turns His back on the inhabitants of the earth, and the fallen angels, with Satan as their earth-bound leader, will be in complete control of the earth. Revelation 9 tells us who these beings are! They are the fallen angels, being released from the Abyss, by their leader, who is the star who is falling from the heavens, along with the 1/3rd of the stars. Stars are another reference to the rebellious angels, the 'Sons of God' who turned against Father, and to Satan as their leader. Understanding that Matthew 24 is describing a period of 2,000 years... it's not all at once... then you begin to understand that 'tribulation' (lower-case) is what the Church has been experiencing since His death and resurrection. The GREAT TRIBULATION defines a separate period of 7 years, bookcased by the Rapture (snatching up the Bride, those who have become obedient and sanctified to the Father, through Jesus Christ, and rejecting the teachings of the fallen angels, but following strictly the teachings of the Father) and the actual return of Jesus at the end of the 7 years, when He actually steps foot on the Mount of Olives. Those who refuse to completely reject the teachings of the fallen angels will be entering into the Great Tribulation age period, and if they survive through the other end, without taking the Mark of the Beast, they will enter into the Millennial Reign in their mortal states, and be the ones to repopulate the earth during that period, as no one else will have that ability, just as Noah and his family did, after the Great Flood (note: both catastrophic events are called 'Great'... why?). There will many who will die during the Great Tribulation, refusing to take the Mark, because they realize that the beings that have taken over the earth will be as what they were told about prior to the Great Tribulation, but like you are, right now, refused to believe that there was an exit plan in place before the Great Tribulation began. These are the 'martyrs' or 'saints' (depending on which translation of the Word you're using) of the Great Tribulation age who do not get their immortal bodies (white robes) until the end of the Great Tribulation age ends. Those snatched up in the pre-Trib immediately receive their immortal bodies. The reason for the pre-Trib Rapture is to separate those that will be co-ruling with Jesus during the Millennial Reign, who have proven themselves worthy (2 Tim 2:15) to rule with Him, just as promised. Peter tells us that we will be co-ruling with Him, those of us who have been deemed worthy/righteous, in Father's eyes, not our own.
There are many events that occur at the end, which are somewhat different events, but they still take place at the end as the scriptures have said. The day of the Lord, upon which the rapture and the final battle occurs, happens after the sixth seal when the sun turns dark and the moon turns to blood. The rapture is a different event than his coming yes, but one can't ignore that they are discussed as happening one with the other. The bible continuously associates the rapture with his coming.
@orthelcid verse 1 of 1 thess 2 speaks of the coming of Jesus and our gathering together unto him...how that day..the coming and our gathering cannot happen until the falling away and the man of sin is revealed. This fits with what Jesus said in Matt, how certain things must come to pass then he will return and send his angels to gather his people.
@thetruthimpart Did Paul say that or John? Keep the scriptures in perspective to who is writing them. John write according to his perspective. Are you watching this video or just commenting? Please address the video. Is where is Mr. Showers wrong?
Scripture defines the coming of the Son of Man on the last day (Mat. 24:30-31, 1 Thes 4:17, John 6:44) the day our Messiah physically returns to earth (Dan. 9:24, Rom 11:25-27, Rev 10:1-7), the day the Word of God appears at the supper of the great God, Armageddon, (Rev 19:11-21, Dan 12:11), and the day the Lamb of God will descend with His bride (Rev. 21:9-10, Dan. 12:12)
Just as the 1st Coming consisted of multiple events, the 2nd Coming will consist of multiple events over a number of years. One of those events is the pre-(or shortly into) Great Tribulation rapture.
Again, thanks but no. Of course we can't 'know' until it happens, but many ppl sharper than I teach from the verses just as I have discerned on my own. I am not alone in my perspective. In the unlikely event that Believers will be here through the Great Trib, I am ready to accept and deal with that. We may be in the a/c rule for a while but the 1st half 't'rib will be relatively peaceful. The 2nd half that (Great T) is concurrent w/The Wrath which we are explicitely told we will not see.
mlt229222 well thats what Jesus said...AFTER! I BELIEVE JESUS over a man! Was Noah raptured or rescued? Were Hebrews raptured or rescued through plagues? I have no fear of tribulation or deception because God, Jesus and Holy Spirit and I have a wonderful relationship.First I asked and got COMPASSION, now I ask and get WISDOM. THESE TWO QUALITIES WILL MAKE A FINE JUDGE. : )
@@theogentile4579 the question isnt when the rapture will take place, although I believe as the word says, believers are not appointed unto wrath, but the question is are you ready. This is what matters, if you are ready it doesnt matter when the rapture of the church happens. God bless.
I never said I was sure it was to be Petra. Who can be absolutely sure of any of this? We will all be at the right place at the right time to be available for what God has planned. God will protect those in the 'wilderness' and they will be witnessed to by some of the 144000 and they will recognize that Jesus is God. Yes, coming events will be horrible.
Those who are not ready to go in the pretrib rapture [especially those who have a rabid hatred for it being taught] will be in for a shock and it will not be nice.
One MAJOR ERROR amongst many christians is this, the idea that Jesus Chrsit is going to "Rapture the church. He is going to gather his elect, his chossen ones. The Gospel of LUKE tells us this... [34] I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. [35] Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
Couldn’t find a post by 1nf3rn0 but I copy and post it from my email. In this case I will answer a fool according to his folly [Proverbs 26:5] “Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.” “+VOLKHVORONOVICH Name one time in the Bible God's righteous was persecuted? Didn't Noah escape the flood and Lot escape Sodom before God destroyed the city? Why would anything change in the last days? I'm not buying the man made dialogue of post trib, you people are sooooo dangerous to the Faith!” “Name one time in the Bible God’s righteous was persecuted?” How about two [for the price of one] Abel [in the Old Testament] and Stephen [in the New]. The very first martyrs in each Testament. How obvious is that? Does this person even read the Bible? Have they not read Psalm 116:15-“Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints?” Have they not read Revelation 6:9-10 which says “And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?” No he’s not buying “man-made” dialogue of post trib [even though it’s all through the Bible]-but he swallows Satan’s doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.And people like me are so dangerous to the Faith? What faith is he talking about? Certainly not the one the Bible speaks of. Does he think Hal Lyndsay and Perry Stone are going to save him? This has got to be one of the dumbest defenders of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture I have ever run across. Oh-and in case you’re reading this, it’s “God’s righteous WERE persecuted.” “Was” is singular.Learn to write proper English before you post.
In John 6:40, 44, and 54, Jesus stated that those who believeth on him, he would raise up at the LAST DAY: John 6:40 (KJV) 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44 (KJV) 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54 (KJV) 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. Likewise, this was the commonly held belief of those in Jesus' day who supported the notion of a resurrection - i.e., John 11:24. John 11:24 (KJV) 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. The Greek word for resurrection anastasis is preceded by the Greek definite article "the" resurrection. Also, the Greek word for last eschatos is equally preceded by the greek definite article "the" last. If there is only two resurrection, and the first is on the "last day," please explain how there can be another resurrection before that. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4King James Version (KJV) 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Their is simply no other way to explain it. Perfect analogy, GOD does everything perfect. It's just a waiting game now. Its,a,matter of time. We the church will all get raptured out at the same time. I believe it will happen the moment the 7 yr. Peace codon is signed that will trigger the rapture
: ) Don't go by what I say. Go by what I mean. "Earn salvation" is not strictly accurate but Trib Saints will need to prove themselves sincere followers of Jesus which they did not do under 'grace'. (In effect 'earning' salvation by proving themselves sincere New Believers.) The age of grace will be over and they did not accept the free salvation offered. I explained that in a subsequent comment. This is a subject that can only be addressed by Jesus at the proper time. The point is moot.
The scriptures set the timeline for when the rapture takes place in the book of Revelation, and sets various sign posts and events along the way that mark when the rapture takes place. In regards to the Revelation timeline it is important to know that the three woes are linked to the last three Trumpets. Revelation 8:13 KJVS [13] And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! According to Apostle John and Paul the Saints meeting the Lord in the air takes place at the seventh or last trumpet. Revelation 10:7 ESV [7] but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets. The mystery of God is Christ in you the hope of glory, Col 1:27. Apostle Paul was given a dispensation by God to preach the revelation of the mystery of God which fulfill the word of God, Col 1:25. Paul writes of this mystery in the often quoted verses in the 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 KJVS [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. A interesting aspect of the mystery of God, mystery of Christ is that God has to make known to a individual what is the riches of the glory surrounding this mystery. So many bible experts do not understand this mystery because it is not given for them to know. Colossians 1:27 KJVS [27] To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: The last trump/trumpet that sounds is the seventh trumpet and that is when the mystery of God is finished. Revelation 11:15 KJVS [15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Many try to take the 12th chapter of Revelation and place it at the beginning of the tribulation or at the sixth seal. But the three woes that are linked to the last three Trumpets, makes that impossible. Most all agree that the man child is the body of Christ. The three woes are linked to the 5th-7th Trumpets, Rev 8:13. The first woe is when the bottomless pit is opened, 5th trumpet, Rev 9:11&12. Second woe takes place when the great earthquake occurs in Jerusalem following the death and resurrection of the two witnesses. Revelation 11:13-14 KJVS [13] And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. [14] The second woe is past; and , behold, the third woe cometh quickly. Always keep in mind the three woes are associated with the last three Trumpets even though it is not always apparent in the narrative of the 8th-12th chapters. Notice the third woe comes quickly after the second, Rev 11:14, and the third woe is when Satan is cast down to earth after the man child is caught up to the throne of God, Rev 12:5&12. The man child being caught up to the throne of God coincides with the seventh trumpet, Rev 11:15, and takes place between the second and third woe in regards to the passage of time. There are two seed of the woman mentioned in the 12th chapter of Revelation. The man child who is resurrected at the seventh trumpet, verse 5, and the remnant of the woman's seed, verse 17, who Satan makes war against during the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. Revelation 12:17 KJVS [17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. So you have two seed of the woman, one group resurrected/changed at the middle of the tribulation and another group that are on the earth during the final half of the tribulation. The woman flys into the wilderness for three and a half years. The wilderness is a place where one is tested and tried by God. www.justifiedfreely.com/?p=724 Revelation 12:14 KJVS [14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. www.justifiedfreely.com/?p=576
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 are same event of Revelation 14:14-16. Revelation 15 shows that those reaped from the Earth are then in Heaven. Revelation 16 shows the wrath of God poured out on humanity. The unbelieving Jews will endure the same punishment poured out on the other unbelievers but some will see that Christ really is the Messiah as the New Testament testified. This period of time is the 70th week told about in Daniel (7 years and is likened to the time when Babylon captured Jerusalem and took the Jews captive.....but they will not succeed this time). Chapter 17 gives a detailed description of the Anti-Christ, who is the same person that has controlled most rulers throughout history, that is Satan). Yet, as I said, Satan and his forces will be destroyed by Lord Jesus, and chapter 18 is a continuation of chapter 17 (the original manuscripts had no chapters). In chapter 19, we see that the Church is with Christ in Heaven and has been judged at the Bema Seat of Christ and given fresh, clean robes, then the marriage supper event, all the while that the Great Tribulation (or "time of Jacob's trouble") is happening on Earth. Then Christ leads His armies (notice the plural tense) back to the Earth to destroy His enemies and set up His one thousand year rule on the throne of David in Jerusalem. All of this is due to His promises to Abraham, David, and others. The Great Tribulation is for Jews to be reconciled to God through Jesus since they wanted an Earthly kingdom instead of a spiritual one.
+Johnny Miller the true church is seen in heaven long before that, in Rev 4:4,10, and 5:9,10. The proof is in Romans 5:9,, 1 Thess 1:10,5;9, which all declare that the church is not under God's ( Elohim) wrath, which begins in the seals, Rev 6:1. Rev 14:14 - 16 most likely lines up with Matt 25 separating those who believe and those who don't during the tribulation period and also ties in with Rev 7, those who become believers after the sealing and preaching of the 144,000 sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel.
@prewrathrapture333 No. We are to lift up our heads because "our redemption draweth nigh!" Comfort one another with these words. Jesus could come before lunch! I hope He does. I wait for His return and nothing else.
Matthew 24 : 39-41 clearly indicating the rapture : 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matthew 24 : 39-41 clearly indicating the rapture : 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. this rapture is also described in Revelation 12:14 the woman were given two wings of a great eagle,
The question has to be asked was Jesus in Matt. 24 talking to His disciples as strictly Jewish disciples? If so then "Tribulation Saints" are Jewish Disciples and part of the church, since they became part of the church, and in fact, the very foundation (Jesus is the chief cornerstone). So according to this approach, only Jewish disciples have to be concerned about the abomination of desolation (the Beast, or lawless one), persecution, and the signs of the Lord's return, false christs, false signs and wonders, watching and being alert and receiving rewards for doing so, falling away from increased wickedness, Jesus coming like a thief in the night, etc. Is that right?
I accidently came across your question. No way can anyone 'earn' salvation or help anyone else into Heaven by any type of works, prayers, offerings, etc. We are under the Age of Grace. Trib Saints (who are not the Bride of Christ) must earn salvation after the rapture when the Age of Grace is ended. Please point out to me my response that indicated that I said or implied such. Perhaps the comment was misread or perhaps I need to reword my comment?
@Myhopeisinhim Why try and separator the suffering and conquering messiah in the old testament? Because its easy to see, and so is the rapture and second coming.
@prewrathrapture333 Luke 21:28 is telling people to look up at the BEGINNING not the END OF. TRY reading it out loud. The verse before are descriptive/prophetic verses telling what will happen and vs 28 is saying when you see the BEGINNINGS of the previous mentioned verses, look up for your REDEMPTION. it is just that simple. You make the same mistake reading Rev 20:4-6.
@prewrathrapture333 If you could listen to this man, (the whole series) follow along in your own bibles, do the legwork he is showing you and truly open up your understanding completely, and still believe that there is only one coming of Christ in the "Day of the Lord" and that Church age believers (us) will go through the Gtrib then your heart is HARDENED to the truth and if you are born again, we will explain where you were wrong on the way up!
Quote: "Trib Saints (who are not the Bride of Christ) must earn salvation after the rapture when the Age of Grace is ended." They will find salvation the same way as we, through the blood of the lamb and the testimony of Jesus. Never, ever does one "earn" salvation otherwise they have whereof to glory but not before God. You know that verse I'm sure.
@THERAPTURECOMES the other possibility is...first christ....then the dead in christ...and then finally the living from the fourwinds as they are part of the harvest but are gathered After the dead...a pre trib theory is not the only line of thinking that is possible.
@another lazarus matthew 24:29-31 tells us exactly when that rapture is, in the order of events anyway:) after the tribulation of those days he will send his angels with the great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather his elect.
Actually, the Apostolic Church came to the same conclusion in 325 AD as the Ephraim Document proves. And, by the way, the Pretrib Rapture will occur on Yom Kippu 2032 AD...
@prewrathrapture333 What I don't understand is that most people that don't agree with the truth of the pre trib rapture are so UPSET. I have noticed that most (not all) post trib believers are annoyed, angry, sarcastic, and frustrated. They don't believe that Jesus could come at any SECOND. On the other hand, most (not all) pre trib rapture believers are calm, polite, peaceful and gentle. If you don't believe me, just look at the posts. Not just here but all over. The post tribs are at war.
+Celeste Gray THE JEWISH WEDDING CHAMBER DID AND COULD LAST LONGER THEN 7 DAYS FACT#1------ FACT NUMBER # 2 THE BIRDE MEETS JESUS AFTER THE TRIBULATION AND JESUS COMES BACK READ REV 19 7-14 FACT #2 MORE PRE TRIB LIES AND PROPAGANDA!
Though the Jewish wedding is beautiful, it is not the bases or foundation on which biblical theology should be built. Remember, the Jewish wedding is a tradition of men and should not be used to establish pre-trib theology. The authority of doctrine comes from scripture alone and not traditions.
Rev 12 mentions that the wings of eagle will take the woman to the Wilderness. away from the dragon. imho this is prior to the gathering of 144000 Israels
+SentinelleInfo THE JEWISH WEDDING CHAMBER DID AND COULD LAST LONGER THEN 7 DAYS FACT#1------ FACT NUMBER # 2 THE BIRDE MEETS JESUS AFTER THE TRIBULATION AND JESUS COMES BACK READ REV 19 7-14 FACT #2 MORE PRE TRIB LIES AND PROPAGANDA!
ITS NOT IN THE BIBLE -ITS LATER AFTER THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN ITS IN JEWISH TALMUD TRADITION ! and sometimes its longer then 3 days YOU SEE PRE TRIBERS ARE SO DESPERATE TO TRY AND LEGITIMIZE THERE FABLE THAT THE HAVE TO GRASP FOR FAKE STRAWS ! AND SELL A DELUSIONAL TIMELINES WITH OUT ANY VERSE OR PASSAGE IN THE BIBLE THAT SHOWS A PRE OR BEFORE TRIB ! BUT THEY SELL A ELABERATE CUT AND PAIST LIE! THATS WHAT JEHOVAS WINESSES AND CHRISADELPHIAN, CHRISTIAN SCIENCE AND CULTS DO!
Genesis 27:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. 28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
surely after seeing the Rapture of the bride n Jesus seen in the sky with His saints, people with get hysterical and regret very much. those who love their lives will lose their lives - those who lost their lives on the guillotine will gain their lives
lets use logic...If God says in Mark 13 verse 20...that his people are chosen and special (elect) ...who are the people that supposedly raptured up before all of this destruction that he speaks of?? Pretty sure he clearly states that we all are servants..as stated in Rev Chapter 7 verse 3. So if we all are equal from that perspective why would he take some and leave some..fact of the matter...anyone who lives a life in accordance/obedience to the holy spirit is living a pure life..bc of our nature...we have to be transformed, but asking for forgiveness we have a clean slate and pure in God eyes because he is only forgiver of sin!
@prewrathrapture333 Luke 21:28 when you see the BEGINNING of these things look up for your redemption draws neigh. I have never said they are the 24 elders NOT ONCE. I have said those looking up for their REDEMPTION in Luke 21:28 are the same REDEEMED from every kindred, tongue, people nation in Rev 5:9-10.
"Immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall APPEAR the sign of the SON OF MAN in heaven. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER together his ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be TAKEN, and the other LEFT. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the HYPOCRITES: there shall be WEEPING and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 24:29,30,31,40,51 (Tribulation is first, Rapture is second, Wrath is third.)
+yanapray THE JEWISH WEDDING CHAMBER DID AND COULD LAST LONGER THEN 7 DAYS FACT#1------ FACT NUMBER # 2 THE BIRDE MEETS JESUS AFTER THE TRIBULATION AND JESUS COMES BACK READ REV 19 7-14 FACT #2 MORE PRE TRIB LIES AND PROPAGANDA!
+1nf3rn0 The Rapture occurs instants after the Second Coming. Your cowardly desire to escape from suffering has deceived you to swallow Satan's comfortable lie.
VOLKHVORONOVICH Name one time in the Bible God's righteous was persecuted? Didn't Noah escape the flood and Lot escape Sodom before God destroyed the city? Why would anything change in the last days? I'm not buying the man made dialogue of post trib, you people are sooooo dangerous to the Faith!
There is a reason why Christ is called a 1st fruit. It is because the bible is pointing to a Hebraic harvest cycle. This happens in three stages (1) 1st fruits of which Christ is preeminent and has taken place (Completed) (2) General harvest (3( Four corner gleanings. If Christ the 1st fruit is completed then this leaves only two stages left. Next is the general harvest (Prior to trib) and the four corner gleanings (during the trib) Any other way and it does not fit the dispensations
I wonder why most "pre-trib" christians use the Jewish wedding as a "type" of rapture scenario. What if we lived in a 3rd world country with no knowledge of Jewish customs and all we had to rely on was the scriptures? Would we then conclude that the rapture is "pre-trib"? Paul told new converts that we must through "much tribulation" enter into the kingdom of God(Acts 14:22) Was he lying to the new believers?
i'm so glad someone teaches the truth today when the "Catching Away" is so hated in these last days.
Well that just put a permanent smile on my face. I'll never be the same again 🤩
Maranatha Jesus!
This analogy nails the pretribulation rapture view.
simply beautiful!!! This settles the unending and empty winding debates abt the notorious confusion surrounding this glorious, and imminent event.
May those who love sound teaching admire the wisdom of Jésus Christ - our soon-coming King.
Abby 77 GEE is that what Jesus said Immediately BEFORE the tribulation or as scripture reads " Immediately AFTER the tribulation" Read Matt 24 again.
📯📣📢 Now those are words that comfort me a great deal! Thank you Pastor. Praise the Lord. Come Lord!
we try to separate his coming from the gathering to try and make these verses fit a pre-trib doctrine but we can't do that...all timing of the gathering is shown in matthew and the fact that its during the last trumpet.
🙌🏻 praise JESUS CHRIST. Even so, come LORD JESUS
Heavenly father bless this man and help us to hear what he is saying
Thank God for people like you keep up the work God bless you
Amen pastor, thanks for sharing and explaining the gospel.
Beautiful analogy and thank you for the great teaching! - Sister Pam T.
Thank you for breaking it down so we can understand more😄
Glory To GOD!!!
Thank you for sharing!
Amen! Maranatha. Come LORD JESUS
Daniel 12.
In verse 13 Daniel is told to , "Go thy way until the end be"
then
"you will stand or rise to your lot at the end of the days".
Daniel will be raised from death at the end of the days.
So from what Gabriel tells Daniel, his resurrection, (and the resurrection of all the saints for that matter), and the Rapture which is tied to the resurrection in 1Thes. 4:15-17 and 1Cor. 15:51 will come at the end of the final seven years of this age; not before.
for those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. If you are not deceived then answer this question This great trumpet sounding in Mat 24:31 is it before or after the Last trump?
Waooh....so wonderful revelation..God Bless you❤❤
After the rapture occurs there will be many that become believers. I personally believe that during the tribulation millions will become believers and will be the largest in gathering of believes in all of recorded history.
I think it would be hard to sit on the fence during this time frame.
We pretty much agree on all aspects of it. : )
Those with greater knowledge that is ignored or not used will be judged harsher than those new believers.
Nice to see you. I miss your videos.
@rickcappetto
in the new testament we see his coming and the gathering in the same verse and context. And we are told that that day..his coming and our gathering cannot happen until the great falling away and that man of sin be revealed.
We try to pull the gathering out of that but even jesus puts it in that order in Mat 24..why should we think any differently?
amen, well said, short, concise, and to the point, be blessed.
Yes. We are seeing things building up. Gradually and naturally. And rapidly.
THANK'S THIS UPLOAD JOHNANKERBERG
Does Jesus come back at the last trump and are the dead raised the Last day?
Do the dead in Christ rise at first resurrection?
Amazing! Thanks so much for sharing this
If the rapture is an "imminent" event, why do so called"prophecy" teachers always give people an opportunity to "purchase" their teaching at the end of their broadcast? Why not give it away to help their fellow christians? All this guy is talking about is analogy this and that. I have never seen anywhere in scripture where it says there will be 7yrs. of tribulation. All I see is,times,times and half a time,42months,3 1/2 yrs. Where does 7yrs come from? If it was a wk of Dan why not Rev11:11?3yr?
Nicely condensed- I agree.
You're right. Thank you.
Groom = Jesus
Bride = church
Jesus is coming back for His bride.
The Groom is coming back for His church.
Great information
💜💜💜💜💜 love u Jesus
I have many videos in my playlist that I don't agree 100% but it's food for thought. Can always learn something. And who can claim to be 100% accurate with it all?
I have some favorites that seem to be most accurate. Yes- more than a few of your videos can be found there. : ) God bless!
Whether or not the Lord takes you in the rapture is not dependent upon when you believe it is, only that you are his child, born and free, sealed by the Holy Spirit. And any believer who is his, is awaiting that glorious day.
Love this!
If they are in that extreme, I can agree. If 'they' are not ready, they will be in the lukewarm group.
An open mind and not a hardened heart is a good thing.
New moon wasn't seen I understand. So maybe Monday evening in Jerusalem. : )
That place in John 14:1-3 is the bride itself according to Rev. 19:17, It makes sense that if Christ returns to earth, then that place is finish.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Ronnie Murphy thats NOT the bride, it's a city called Jerusalem! read last verse after description of city, verse 27 there shall in no wise enter into it... but they which are written in the LAMBs book of life. Common sense, how can you enter something that you allegedly are? Sheep are not precious stones ect... Maybe you should ask for wisdom now, you're already forgiven so learn the truth BIBLE for yourself instead of a "man" giving his opinion instead of Gods Word.
@hiyosilver100 you aren't stating they have to earn their salvation are you? by their own works?
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may i answer ur question that the rapture will take u to :1 Thes 4 16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Rev 19:17-18 Jesus n Saints will slain soldiers in armageddon
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@THERAPTURECOMES
Correction It is the sealed on the foreheads that are protected. But still why is the church not mention here?
@theoferrum actually one needs to read the entire document and remember that our definition of certain words that they used may not mean the same as they do to us today. he taught that no event had to precede the antichrist.
@THERAPTURECOMES what if it is like this instead.....christ the firstfruit...the rapture at his coming....and then the final gleaning which takes place at the end of the 1000 years? we can't ignore that one can we?
I can't find any jewish writings about how they conduct the Jewish wedding in Jesus' day. Can someone please post some links?
Matthew 13:40-43 speaks about judgment at the tribulation days see Rev.14 :17-20
The bible doesn’t mention the tribulation being 7yrs.
Only the covenant.
Also tribulation means persecution. Thilipsis in Greek.
The wrath of god is Orge (wrath)
The word tribulation can not be used for the latter part of the period.
One week = 7 years. If you don't understand that this is the reference to the 7 years, then you need to go back and read the Word again... because Scripture explains Scripture.
Tribulation is what we have been undergoing since Jesus' resurrection, and even before, as He, Himself, was persecuted. The Wrath of God is reserved for the worst time on the earth, when God completely turns His back on the inhabitants of the earth, and the fallen angels, with Satan as their earth-bound leader, will be in complete control of the earth. Revelation 9 tells us who these beings are! They are the fallen angels, being released from the Abyss, by their leader, who is the star who is falling from the heavens, along with the 1/3rd of the stars. Stars are another reference to the rebellious angels, the 'Sons of God' who turned against Father, and to Satan as their leader. Understanding that Matthew 24 is describing a period of 2,000 years... it's not all at once... then you begin to understand that 'tribulation' (lower-case) is what the Church has been experiencing since His death and resurrection. The GREAT TRIBULATION defines a separate period of 7 years, bookcased by the Rapture (snatching up the Bride, those who have become obedient and sanctified to the Father, through Jesus Christ, and rejecting the teachings of the fallen angels, but following strictly the teachings of the Father) and the actual return of Jesus at the end of the 7 years, when He actually steps foot on the Mount of Olives.
Those who refuse to completely reject the teachings of the fallen angels will be entering into the Great Tribulation age period, and if they survive through the other end, without taking the Mark of the Beast, they will enter into the Millennial Reign in their mortal states, and be the ones to repopulate the earth during that period, as no one else will have that ability, just as Noah and his family did, after the Great Flood (note: both catastrophic events are called 'Great'... why?). There will many who will die during the Great Tribulation, refusing to take the Mark, because they realize that the beings that have taken over the earth will be as what they were told about prior to the Great Tribulation, but like you are, right now, refused to believe that there was an exit plan in place before the Great Tribulation began. These are the 'martyrs' or 'saints' (depending on which translation of the Word you're using) of the Great Tribulation age who do not get their immortal bodies (white robes) until the end of the Great Tribulation age ends. Those snatched up in the pre-Trib immediately receive their immortal bodies. The reason for the pre-Trib Rapture is to separate those that will be co-ruling with Jesus during the Millennial Reign, who have proven themselves worthy (2 Tim 2:15) to rule with Him, just as promised. Peter tells us that we will be co-ruling with Him, those of us who have been deemed worthy/righteous, in Father's eyes, not our own.
Mind blowing
There are many events that occur at the end, which are somewhat different events, but they still take place at the end as the scriptures have said. The day of the Lord, upon which the rapture and the final battle occurs, happens after the sixth seal when the sun turns dark and the moon turns to blood.
The rapture is a different event than his coming yes, but one can't ignore that they are discussed as happening one with the other. The bible continuously associates the rapture with his coming.
@orthelcid
verse 1 of 1 thess 2 speaks of the coming of Jesus and our gathering together unto him...how that day..the coming and our gathering cannot happen until the falling away and the man of sin is revealed.
This fits with what Jesus said in Matt, how certain things must come to pass then he will return and send his angels to gather his people.
@thetruthimpart Did Paul say that or John?
Keep the scriptures in perspective to who is writing them. John write according to his perspective.
Are you watching this video or just commenting? Please address the video. Is where is Mr. Showers wrong?
LOVE IT .
Scripture defines the coming of the Son of Man on the last day (Mat. 24:30-31, 1 Thes 4:17, John 6:44) the day our Messiah physically returns to earth (Dan. 9:24, Rom 11:25-27, Rev 10:1-7), the day the Word of God appears at the supper of the great God, Armageddon, (Rev 19:11-21, Dan 12:11), and the day the Lamb of God will descend with His bride (Rev. 21:9-10, Dan. 12:12)
Just as the 1st Coming consisted of multiple events, the 2nd Coming will consist of multiple events over a number of years. One of those events is the pre-(or shortly into) Great Tribulation rapture.
Again, thanks but no. Of course we can't 'know' until it happens, but many ppl sharper than I teach from the verses just as I have discerned on my own. I am not alone in my perspective.
In the unlikely event that Believers will be here through the Great Trib, I am ready to accept and deal with that.
We may be in the a/c rule for a while but the 1st half 't'rib will be relatively peaceful. The 2nd half that (Great T) is concurrent w/The Wrath which we are explicitely told we will not see.
Makes no sense to put the rapture at the end none at all.
mlt229222 well thats what Jesus said...AFTER! I BELIEVE JESUS over a man! Was Noah raptured or rescued? Were Hebrews raptured or rescued through plagues? I have no fear of tribulation or deception because God, Jesus and Holy Spirit and I have a wonderful relationship.First I asked and got COMPASSION, now I ask and get WISDOM. THESE TWO QUALITIES WILL MAKE A FINE JUDGE. : )
IT ALSO MAKES NO SENSE TO QUESTION WHATS IN GODS HOLY BIBLE...
@@theogentile4579 the question isnt when the rapture will take place, although I believe as the word says, believers are not appointed unto wrath, but the question is are you ready. This is what matters, if you are ready it doesnt matter when the rapture of the church happens. God bless.
What is the name of this preacher ? I don't see him anymore
I never said I was sure it was to be Petra. Who can be absolutely sure of any of this? We will all be at the right place at the right time to be available for what God has planned. God will protect those in the 'wilderness' and they will be witnessed to by some of the 144000 and they will recognize that Jesus is God. Yes, coming events will be horrible.
Those who are not ready to go in the pretrib rapture [especially those who have a rabid hatred for it being taught] will be in for a shock and it will not be nice.
PreTribRaptureTruth ... and when it doesn't happen, how many will lose faith?
One MAJOR ERROR amongst many christians is this, the idea that Jesus Chrsit is going to "Rapture the church. He is going to gather his elect, his chossen ones. The Gospel of LUKE tells us this... [34] I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. [35] Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
Couldn’t find a post by 1nf3rn0 but I copy and post it from my email. In this case I will answer a fool according to his folly [Proverbs 26:5] “Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.”
“+VOLKHVORONOVICH Name one time in the Bible God's righteous
was persecuted? Didn't Noah escape the flood and Lot escape Sodom before God
destroyed the city? Why would anything change in the last days? I'm not buying
the man made dialogue of post trib, you people are sooooo dangerous to the
Faith!”
“Name one time in the Bible God’s righteous was persecuted?” How about two [for the price of one] Abel [in the Old Testament] and Stephen [in the New]. The very first martyrs in each Testament. How obvious is that? Does this person even read the Bible? Have they not read Psalm 116:15-“Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints?”
Have they not read Revelation 6:9-10 which says “And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?”
No he’s not buying “man-made” dialogue of post trib [even though it’s all through the Bible]-but he swallows Satan’s doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.And people like me are so dangerous to the Faith? What faith is he talking about? Certainly not the one the Bible speaks of. Does he think Hal Lyndsay and Perry Stone are going to save him?
This has got to be one of the dumbest defenders of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture I have ever run across. Oh-and in case you’re reading this, it’s “God’s righteous WERE persecuted.” “Was” is singular.Learn to write proper English before you post.
In John 6:40, 44, and 54, Jesus
stated that those who believeth on him, he would raise up at the LAST DAY:
John 6:40
(KJV)
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one
which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I
will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44 (KJV)
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw
him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 (KJV)
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal
life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Likewise, this
was the commonly held belief of those in Jesus' day who supported the notion of
a resurrection - i.e., John 11:24.
John 11:24
(KJV)
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the
resurrection at the last day.
The Greek word
for resurrection anastasis is preceded by the Greek definite
article "the" resurrection. Also, the Greek word for last eschatos
is equally preceded by the greek definite article "the" last. If
there is only two resurrection, and the first is on the "last day,"
please explain how there can be another resurrection before that.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4King James Version (KJV)
3 Let no man deceive you by any
means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth
himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple
of God, shewing himself
that he is God.
Tammy and Keith McKenzie , LOL,NOTHING TO REBUKE IN YOUR COMMENT
Jesus our Lord is coming soon!
Their is simply no other way to explain it. Perfect analogy, GOD does everything perfect. It's just a waiting game now. Its,a,matter of time. We the church will all get raptured out at the same time. I believe it will happen the moment the 7 yr. Peace codon is signed that will trigger the rapture
: ) Don't go by what I say. Go by what I mean.
"Earn salvation" is not strictly accurate but Trib Saints will need to prove themselves sincere followers of Jesus which they did not do under 'grace'. (In effect 'earning' salvation by proving themselves sincere New Believers.) The age of grace will be over and they did not accept the free salvation offered. I explained that in a subsequent comment.
This is a subject that can only be addressed by Jesus at the proper time. The point is moot.
The scriptures set the timeline for when the rapture takes place in the book of Revelation, and sets various sign posts and events along the way that mark when the rapture takes place. In regards to the Revelation timeline it is important to know that the three woes are linked to the last three Trumpets.
Revelation 8:13 KJVS
[13] And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
According to Apostle John and Paul the Saints meeting the Lord in the air takes place at the seventh or last trumpet.
Revelation 10:7 ESV
[7] but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.
The mystery of God is Christ in you the hope of glory, Col 1:27. Apostle Paul was given a dispensation by God to preach the revelation of the mystery of God which fulfill the word of God, Col 1:25. Paul writes of this mystery in the often quoted verses in the 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 KJVS
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
A interesting aspect of the mystery of God, mystery of Christ is that God has to make known to a individual what is the riches of the glory surrounding this mystery. So many bible experts do not understand this mystery because it is not given for them to know.
Colossians 1:27 KJVS
[27] To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
The last trump/trumpet that sounds is the seventh trumpet and that is when the mystery of God is finished.
Revelation 11:15 KJVS
[15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Many try to take the 12th chapter of Revelation and place it at the beginning of the tribulation or at the sixth seal. But the three woes that are linked to the last three Trumpets, makes that impossible. Most all agree that the man child is the body of Christ. The three woes are linked to the 5th-7th Trumpets, Rev 8:13. The first woe is when the bottomless pit is opened, 5th trumpet, Rev 9:11&12. Second woe takes place when the great earthquake occurs in Jerusalem following the death and resurrection of the two witnesses.
Revelation 11:13-14 KJVS
[13] And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. [14] The second woe is past; and , behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Always keep in mind the three woes are associated with the last three Trumpets even though it is not always apparent in the narrative of the 8th-12th chapters. Notice the third woe comes quickly after the second, Rev 11:14, and the third woe is when Satan is cast down to earth after the man child is caught up to the throne of God, Rev 12:5&12. The man child being caught up to the throne of God coincides with the seventh trumpet, Rev 11:15, and takes place between the second and third woe in regards to the passage of time. There are two seed of the woman mentioned in the 12th chapter of Revelation. The man child who is resurrected at the seventh trumpet, verse 5, and the remnant of the woman's seed, verse 17, who Satan makes war against during the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation.
Revelation 12:17 KJVS
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
So you have two seed of the woman, one group resurrected/changed at the middle of the tribulation and another group that are on the earth during the final half of the tribulation. The woman flys into the wilderness for three and a half years. The wilderness is a place where one is tested and tried by God. www.justifiedfreely.com/?p=724
Revelation 12:14 KJVS
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 are same event of Revelation 14:14-16. Revelation 15 shows that those reaped from the Earth are then in Heaven. Revelation 16 shows the wrath of God poured out on humanity. The unbelieving Jews will endure the same punishment poured out on the other unbelievers but some will see that Christ really is the Messiah as the New Testament testified. This period of time is the 70th week told about in Daniel (7 years and is likened to the time when Babylon captured Jerusalem and took the Jews captive.....but they will not succeed this time). Chapter 17 gives a detailed description of the Anti-Christ, who is the same person that has controlled most rulers throughout history, that is Satan). Yet, as I said, Satan and his forces will be destroyed by Lord Jesus, and chapter 18 is a continuation of chapter 17 (the original manuscripts had no chapters). In chapter 19, we see that the Church is with Christ in Heaven and has been judged at the Bema Seat of Christ and given fresh, clean robes, then the marriage supper event, all the while that the Great Tribulation (or "time of Jacob's trouble") is happening on Earth. Then Christ leads His armies (notice the plural tense) back to the Earth to destroy His enemies and set up His one thousand year rule on the throne of David in Jerusalem. All of this is due to His promises to Abraham, David, and others. The Great Tribulation is for Jews to be reconciled to God through Jesus since they wanted an Earthly kingdom instead of a spiritual one.
+Johnny Miller the true church is seen in heaven long before that, in Rev 4:4,10, and 5:9,10. The proof is in Romans 5:9,, 1 Thess 1:10,5;9, which all declare that the church is not under God's ( Elohim) wrath, which begins in the seals, Rev 6:1. Rev 14:14 - 16 most likely lines up with Matt 25 separating those who believe and those who don't during the tribulation period and also ties in with Rev 7, those who become believers after the sealing and preaching of the 144,000 sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel.
@prewrathrapture333 No. We are to lift up our heads because "our redemption draweth nigh!" Comfort one another with these words. Jesus could come before lunch! I hope He does. I wait for His return and nothing else.
@THERAPTURECOMES The Elders are the church age saints (us) The multitude of Rev. 7:9 are the martyrs of the Lord throughout history.
Matthew 24 : 39-41 clearly indicating the rapture :
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Who repopulates the earth during the Millennium reign of Christ on earth? How do you explain 1st thes 3 13?
People that get saved and survive the seven years will repopulate the earth during the 1000 years.
Rob B. Yep!
Tony Eaton Google "Hal Lindsey's Pretrib Rapture Proof."
Irv Spielberg yes I agree with hal lindsey.
Tony Eaton only those devout, living sanctified lives, will be raptured. Lukewarm will not be going in the Rapture.
Matthew 24 : 39-41 clearly indicating the rapture :
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
this rapture is also described in Revelation 12:14 the woman were given two wings of a great eagle,
The question has to be asked was Jesus in Matt. 24 talking to His disciples as strictly Jewish disciples? If so then "Tribulation Saints" are Jewish Disciples and part of the church, since they became part of the church, and in fact, the very foundation (Jesus is the chief cornerstone). So according to this approach, only Jewish disciples have to be concerned about the abomination of desolation (the Beast, or lawless one), persecution, and the signs of the Lord's return, false christs, false signs and wonders, watching and being alert and receiving rewards for doing so, falling away from increased wickedness, Jesus coming like a thief in the night, etc. Is that right?
Certain belief in rapture timing is not a condition to be saved. Post-T believers will get a nice surprise.
does this account for the execption....clause....as found in Matthew 19.9
I agree!!
I accidently came across your question. No way can anyone 'earn' salvation or help anyone else into Heaven by any type of works, prayers, offerings, etc. We are under the Age of Grace. Trib Saints (who are not the Bride of Christ) must earn salvation after the rapture when the Age of Grace is ended.
Please point out to me my response that indicated that I said or implied such. Perhaps the comment was misread or perhaps I need to reword my comment?
@Myhopeisinhim Why try and separator the suffering and conquering messiah in the old testament? Because its easy to see, and so is the rapture and second coming.
@prewrathrapture333 Luke 21:28 is telling people to look up at the BEGINNING not the END OF. TRY reading it out loud.
The verse before are descriptive/prophetic verses telling what will happen and vs 28 is saying when you see the BEGINNINGS of the previous mentioned verses, look up for your REDEMPTION.
it is just that simple. You make the same mistake reading Rev 20:4-6.
@prewrathrapture333 If you could listen to this man, (the whole series) follow along in your own bibles, do the legwork he is showing you and truly open up your understanding completely, and still believe that there is only one coming of Christ in the "Day of the Lord" and that Church age believers (us) will go through the Gtrib then your heart is HARDENED to the truth and if you are born again, we will explain where you were wrong on the way up!
Quote: "Trib Saints (who are not the Bride of Christ) must earn salvation after the rapture when the Age of Grace is ended."
They will find salvation the same way as we, through the blood of the lamb and the testimony of Jesus. Never, ever does one "earn" salvation otherwise they have whereof to glory but not before God. You know that verse I'm sure.
Amen!
@THERAPTURECOMES the other possibility is...first christ....then the dead in christ...and then finally the living from the fourwinds as they are part of the harvest but are gathered After the dead...a pre trib theory is not the only line of thinking that is possible.
We have been in the church age since Jesus' ascension to heaven.
@another lazarus matthew 24:29-31 tells us exactly when that rapture is, in the order of events anyway:) after the tribulation of those days he will send his angels with the great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather his elect.
Amen
Actually, the Apostolic Church came to the same conclusion in 325 AD as the Ephraim Document proves.
And, by the way, the Pretrib Rapture will occur on Yom Kippu 2032 AD...
@prewrathrapture333 What I don't understand is that most people that don't agree with the truth of the pre trib rapture are so UPSET. I have noticed that most (not all) post trib believers are annoyed, angry, sarcastic, and frustrated. They don't believe that Jesus could come at any SECOND. On the other hand, most (not all) pre trib rapture believers are calm, polite, peaceful and gentle. If you don't believe me, just look at the posts. Not just here but all over. The post tribs are at war.
Brill thank you
+Celeste Gray THE JEWISH WEDDING CHAMBER DID AND COULD LAST LONGER THEN 7 DAYS FACT#1------ FACT NUMBER # 2 THE BIRDE MEETS JESUS AFTER THE TRIBULATION AND JESUS COMES BACK READ REV 19 7-14 FACT #2 MORE PRE TRIB LIES AND PROPAGANDA!
Though the Jewish wedding is beautiful, it is not the bases or foundation on which biblical theology should be built. Remember, the Jewish wedding is a tradition of men and should not be used to establish pre-trib theology. The authority of doctrine comes from scripture alone and not traditions.
Rev 12 mentions that the wings of eagle will take the woman to the Wilderness.
away from the dragon. imho this is prior to the gathering of 144000 Israels
7 Days Of The Bridal Chamber in the Bible ?
Anyone to show me ?
+SentinelleInfo THE JEWISH WEDDING CHAMBER DID AND COULD LAST LONGER THEN 7 DAYS FACT#1------ FACT NUMBER # 2 THE BIRDE MEETS JESUS AFTER THE TRIBULATION AND JESUS COMES BACK READ REV 19 7-14 FACT #2 MORE PRE TRIB LIES AND PROPAGANDA!
+bretnmannn Thanks but You did not reply to my request. Where is the 7 Days Of The Bridal Chamber in the Bible ?
ITS NOT IN THE BIBLE -ITS LATER AFTER THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN ITS IN JEWISH TALMUD TRADITION ! and sometimes its longer then 3 days YOU SEE PRE TRIBERS ARE SO DESPERATE TO TRY AND LEGITIMIZE THERE FABLE THAT THE HAVE TO GRASP FOR FAKE STRAWS ! AND SELL A DELUSIONAL TIMELINES WITH OUT ANY VERSE OR PASSAGE IN THE BIBLE THAT SHOWS A PRE OR BEFORE TRIB ! BUT THEY SELL A ELABERATE CUT AND PAIST LIE! THATS WHAT JEHOVAS WINESSES AND CHRISADELPHIAN, CHRISTIAN SCIENCE AND CULTS DO!
Very true.
Genesis 27:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
surely after seeing the Rapture of the bride n Jesus seen in the sky with His saints,
people with get hysterical and regret very much. those who love their lives will lose
their lives - those who lost their lives on the guillotine will gain their lives
lets use logic...If God says in Mark 13 verse 20...that his people are chosen and special (elect) ...who are the people that supposedly raptured up before all of this destruction that he speaks of?? Pretty sure he clearly states that we all are servants..as stated in Rev Chapter 7 verse 3. So if we all are equal from that perspective why would he take some and leave some..fact of the matter...anyone who lives a life in accordance/obedience to the holy spirit is living a pure life..bc of our nature...we have to be transformed, but asking for forgiveness we have a clean slate and pure in God eyes because he is only forgiver of sin!
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REVELATION 5:9-10, Luke 21:28, Luke 21:34-36, 1 Thes 4:13-18, 1 Thes 1:10, 1 Thes 5:9, 1 Cor 15:50-55, for starters
Amen! Pastor pls watch out my testimony about the jubilee of the Philippines it rhymes with this
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Luke 21:28 when you see the BEGINNING of these things look up for your redemption draws neigh. I have never said they are the 24 elders NOT ONCE. I have said those looking up for their REDEMPTION in Luke 21:28 are the same REDEEMED from every kindred, tongue, people nation in Rev 5:9-10.
"Immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall APPEAR the sign of the SON OF MAN in heaven. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER together his ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be TAKEN, and the other LEFT. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the HYPOCRITES: there shall be WEEPING and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 24:29,30,31,40,51 (Tribulation is first, Rapture is second, Wrath is third.)
What you are speaking of is the "Second Coming" not the Rapture. Many people mix up the two. They are different. The rapture is first.
+yanapray THE JEWISH WEDDING CHAMBER DID AND COULD LAST LONGER THEN 7 DAYS FACT#1------ FACT NUMBER # 2 THE BIRDE MEETS JESUS AFTER THE TRIBULATION AND JESUS COMES BACK READ REV 19 7-14 FACT #2 MORE PRE TRIB LIES AND PROPAGANDA!
+1nf3rn0 The Rapture occurs instants after the Second Coming. Your cowardly desire to escape from suffering has deceived you to swallow Satan's comfortable lie.
If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. John 15:20
VOLKHVORONOVICH Name one time in the Bible God's righteous was persecuted? Didn't Noah escape the flood and Lot escape Sodom before God destroyed the city? Why would anything change in the last days? I'm not buying the man made dialogue of post trib, you people are sooooo dangerous to the Faith!
There is a reason why Christ is called a 1st fruit. It is because the bible is pointing to a Hebraic harvest cycle. This happens in three stages
(1) 1st fruits of which Christ is preeminent and has taken place (Completed)
(2) General harvest
(3( Four corner gleanings.
If Christ the 1st fruit is completed then this leaves only two stages left. Next is the general harvest (Prior to trib) and the four corner gleanings (during the trib)
Any other way and it does not fit the dispensations
I wonder why most "pre-trib" christians use the Jewish wedding as a "type" of rapture scenario. What if we lived in a 3rd world country with no knowledge of Jewish customs and all we had to rely on was the scriptures? Would we then conclude that the rapture is "pre-trib"? Paul told new converts that we must through "much tribulation" enter into the kingdom of God(Acts 14:22) Was he lying to the new believers?