ShaneAI will destroy the world. Once the AI learns Shane's creative process and art, it's all over. Every comic Shane does brings us closer to the End. Every video showcasing Shane's art pushes the Doomsday Clock nearer the midnight. I, for one, welcome the ultimate bliss of being drowned in ShaneAI art forever.
Sometimes, AI can be used as reference but it takes a lot of work to modify and make panels work. There is no fine control of camera angles in Midjourney (at least not yet) so it limits what can be done with each composition. Right now, it cannot do sequential art, but it will in the future. Real comic collectors and readers will always prefer the real thing drawn by human beings.
I don't even know if Chuck was aware it was gonna be AI... I mean, the campaign page says everyone involved was aware, but then the "artist" uses such a weasely way of explaining things that I don't know what to believe. Aaaanyway, there's still plenty of good human drawn books out there to support.
It's a good test bed to see how well this type of product does in crowdfunding. I think sadly a lot of people don't care who or what creates the art. They're just interested in reading the books.
I love the 52 weekly series❤ it's one of the few collection I have completed (along 80's Omega Men and Legion 89) Some parts of it were used in the DC Online game like the T.O. Morrow storyline in the island and stuff.. but i agree it should be cherished way more and spawn other medias and all
How I imagine AI working with comics, if you have a comic artist making like a model sheets for characters, like Batgirl for example so they draw the character at different angles poses and expressions. Scan it in an AI generator, Then all that artist needs to do is do the sketch art, The sketch art can just be generic muscle figure in a room. Then do some right clicks like dissonate the human figure as Batgirl, then dissonate the room she's in as a bathroom. Generate image and do some touch ups to the art to make sure it looks nice and coherent.
AI will no more destroy comics than Photoshop destroyed photography, the camera destroyed portrait and landscape painting, and digital music destroyed the acoustic artist. Things will change, but art people love will continue alongside technology. Hand-drawn will become less common over time, but it will stand out and become a more valuable selling point. The threat to the industry is far greater competition for attention today than comics had from the 40s to the 90s. But books have lasted, so will good stories in graphic form made with care.
A big part of art is being impressed by what has been achieved by a human being I’m not ever gonna be impressed by a software program I remember using AI to see what Clint Eastwood as Batman would look like and it was cool (and cheaper than commissioning it) but it’s a lark, and fun, and nothing of substance
It's an interesting conversation now, but it would become REALLY interesting if AI-generated sequential art ever reached the level of a Joe Kubert or Jim Lee. It’s not there yet, and frankly, I doubt it ever will be.
Until the Wright Brothers 120 foot flight in 1903, people doubted we'd ever fly. 66 years later we were on the moon. Don't underestimate revolutionary technology. AI will absolutely be able to do consistent sequential art, and likely in the next few years. What you see now isn't the best AI will be, but the worst it will ever be.
@@thisguydan I understand where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. Let's meet back here in a few years and see where A.I. sequential art is at. I'd be happy to be wrong, actually.
NO. The lack of talent in writing, and the devolution of drawn art within the industry will do that. That's the mainstays, but it is also alongside the increasing prices and ever shrinking sources to get them from (especially the non-existent 'spontaneous purchase' effect like you'd have in petrol stations, Quick-E-Mart equivalents, etc).
A SEPETATE division of comics will appear. I dont believe that AI will destroy anything. It will OPEN doors to people and close doors for others. The Indie market will develop considerably and i suspect that hand drawn books will deliver a HUGE premium in the future.
Gonna be honest bro if they make it good enough to be enjoyable , I’ll buy it. I don’t care about this AI fear mongering, more than that it can cut out the boring editing process for my own writing, it’s not going anywhere it’s useless to try to shun it
It's wrong to say that AI art is necessarily theft. AI can be trained entitely off of public domain material. Selling the output of an AI trained off of copyrighted works without permission is theft. Similarly, it's ok to use an AI trained off of copyrighted works for personal, noncommercial use.
AI could create a youtube-esque glut of substandard content. If Marvel's standards are still in the shitter, and AI 'democratizes' the whole process so that it's not just them churning out shit... then they'd be better off switching to a licensing model and catering to every AI generating Tom, Zack and Harry, who thinks they can build a business on AI. My concern is, when 'creativity' becomes this cheap, will the actual cream even bother trying to rise to the top? I'm already halfway down my off ramp. My hope is, AI just levels up what becomes possible and human creativity is still required in some form. EG a movie becomes an adaptive interactive experience, a digital comic book is maybe partially animated, voiced... i dont fkn know. Something to weed out the talentless and keep these industries viable, make them worth bothering with. Wtf am I talking about?... when AI super-pron becomes a thing, society is literally going to go to hell, and none of this will matter.
Disappointing to learn about Chuck. I feel that pros like Chuck Dixon and Mark Millar are huge fencesitters, trying to be friendly to both sides but never willing to really take a firm position so they can keep their doors open to both sides despite the problematic actions of the corporations. As for Shad, he is a nobody. I tried reading his novel and it was garbage. Couldn't make it past the first few pages as you can immediately tell that he is an amateur without any skills to draw the reader in.
Stop justifying late artists. John Byrne did a monthly book (sometimes two) for years. And his art is far better than most anything today. It's work ethic. Page-a-week artists falling to AI use is a natural progression. It's about work ethic. Or lack thereof.
EVS did a Vampirella cover near the time CG started. I couldn't believe how trash the interiors looked when I opened it. AI is currently better than what Ergun Gunduz drew and Christopher Preist wrote in that book. Blame humans for being incompetent, not computers for being competent.
Shows how much Chuck loves the "artform" of comic book making, he was begrudgingly a part of, at some point.
You're right, he doesn't care for the artform!
As a comic book fan who spends a lot of money on creators' books and merch, I will not support AI work.
ShaneAI will destroy the world. Once the AI learns Shane's creative process and art, it's all over. Every comic Shane does brings us closer to the End. Every video showcasing Shane's art pushes the Doomsday Clock nearer the midnight. I, for one, welcome the ultimate bliss of being drowned in ShaneAI art forever.
Ya Boi Zack can’t wait to replace his artists with AI as well. He’s a huge fan
Zack is whack
He’s stupid and cheap. Of course he does.
That sucks!
Sometimes, AI can be used as reference but it takes a lot of work to modify and make panels work. There is no fine control of camera angles in Midjourney (at least not yet) so it limits what can be done with each composition. Right now, it cannot do sequential art, but it will in the future. Real comic collectors and readers will always prefer the real thing drawn by human beings.
I don't even know if Chuck was aware it was gonna be AI... I mean, the campaign page says everyone involved was aware, but then the "artist" uses such a weasely way of explaining things that I don't know what to believe. Aaaanyway, there's still plenty of good human drawn books out there to support.
It's a good test bed to see how well this type of product does in crowdfunding. I think sadly a lot of people don't care who or what creates the art. They're just interested in reading the books.
@@keeganb2000 I can't believe they have the nerve to charge $35 for an AI drawn book. People are shockingly stupid.
@ Yeah man it's nuts for us artists but I'm thinking the readers don't give a shit. Food for thought.
I mean are real writers and artists gonna save comics?
I did stay to check the treller 👍
I love the 52 weekly series❤ it's one of the few collection I have completed (along 80's Omega Men and Legion 89)
Some parts of it were used in the DC Online game like the T.O. Morrow storyline in the island and stuff.. but i agree it should be cherished way more and spawn other medias and all
It might have to get to the point, that if we don't see the pencils/inks we don't buy the book.
I wish all people were like that :D
How I imagine AI working with comics, if you have a comic artist making like a model sheets for characters, like Batgirl for example so they draw the character at different angles poses and expressions. Scan it in an AI generator, Then all that artist needs to do is do the sketch art, The sketch art can just be generic muscle figure in a room. Then do some right clicks like dissonate the human figure as Batgirl, then dissonate the room she's in as a bathroom. Generate image and do some touch ups to the art to make sure it looks nice and coherent.
Yeah I agree this will definitely be a thing.
Seeing Chuck go with AI art is so upsetting... Like actually, wtf :(
Yeah it sucks. I think a lot of writers will follow this path.
AI will no more destroy comics than Photoshop destroyed photography, the camera destroyed portrait and landscape painting, and digital music destroyed the acoustic artist. Things will change, but art people love will continue alongside technology. Hand-drawn will become less common over time, but it will stand out and become a more valuable selling point. The threat to the industry is far greater competition for attention today than comics had from the 40s to the 90s. But books have lasted, so will good stories in graphic form made with care.
A big part of art is being impressed by what has been achieved by a human being
I’m not ever gonna be impressed by a software program
I remember using AI to see what Clint Eastwood as Batman would look like and it was cool (and cheaper than commissioning it) but it’s a lark, and fun, and nothing of substance
It's an interesting conversation now, but it would become REALLY interesting if AI-generated sequential art ever reached the level of a Joe Kubert or Jim Lee. It’s not there yet, and frankly, I doubt it ever will be.
Until the Wright Brothers 120 foot flight in 1903, people doubted we'd ever fly. 66 years later we were on the moon. Don't underestimate revolutionary technology. AI will absolutely be able to do consistent sequential art, and likely in the next few years. What you see now isn't the best AI will be, but the worst it will ever be.
@@thisguydan I understand where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. Let's meet back here in a few years and see where A.I. sequential art is at. I'd be happy to be wrong, actually.
NO. The lack of talent in writing, and the devolution of drawn art within the industry will do that. That's the mainstays, but it is also alongside the increasing prices and ever shrinking sources to get them from (especially the non-existent 'spontaneous purchase' effect like you'd have in petrol stations, Quick-E-Mart equivalents, etc).
To me AI art looks all the same, and most of it doesn't look that good.
A SEPETATE division of comics will appear. I dont believe that AI will destroy anything. It will OPEN doors to people and close doors for others.
The Indie market will develop considerably and i suspect that hand drawn books will deliver a HUGE premium in the future.
Maybe?
Gonna be honest bro if they make it good enough to be enjoyable , I’ll buy it. I don’t care about this AI fear mongering, more than that it can cut out the boring editing process for my own writing, it’s not going anywhere it’s useless to try to shun it
It's wrong to say that AI art is necessarily theft. AI can be trained entitely off of public domain material. Selling the output of an AI trained off of copyrighted works without permission is theft. Similarly, it's ok to use an AI trained off of copyrighted works for personal, noncommercial use.
I've sold AI art to artists IN Comicsgate and they still havent been caught
So yes. lmao
AI could create a youtube-esque glut of substandard content. If Marvel's standards are still in the shitter, and AI 'democratizes' the whole process so that it's not just them churning out shit... then they'd be better off switching to a licensing model and catering to every AI generating Tom, Zack and Harry, who thinks they can build a business on AI.
My concern is, when 'creativity' becomes this cheap, will the actual cream even bother trying to rise to the top? I'm already halfway down my off ramp.
My hope is, AI just levels up what becomes possible and human creativity is still required in some form. EG a movie becomes an adaptive interactive experience, a digital comic book is maybe partially animated, voiced... i dont fkn know. Something to weed out the talentless and keep these industries viable, make them worth bothering with. Wtf am I talking about?... when AI super-pron becomes a thing, society is literally going to go to hell, and none of this will matter.
Disappointing to learn about Chuck. I feel that pros like Chuck Dixon and Mark Millar are huge fencesitters, trying to be friendly to both sides but never willing to really take a firm position so they can keep their doors open to both sides despite the problematic actions of the corporations. As for Shad, he is a nobody. I tried reading his novel and it was garbage. Couldn't make it past the first few pages as you can immediately tell that he is an amateur without any skills to draw the reader in.
Stop justifying late artists. John Byrne did a monthly book (sometimes two) for years. And his art is far better than most anything today. It's work ethic. Page-a-week artists falling to AI use is a natural progression. It's about work ethic. Or lack thereof.
Chuck Dixon has become a pathetic joke.
EVS did a Vampirella cover near the time CG started. I couldn't believe how trash the interiors looked when I opened it. AI is currently better than what Ergun Gunduz drew and Christopher Preist wrote in that book. Blame humans for being incompetent, not computers for being competent.
This is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.