Judas Interview: How Ken Levine Is Building on BioShock With 'Narrative LEGOs'

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  • Опубліковано 25 бер 2024
  • Renowned designer Ken Levine invited IGN's Ryan McCaffrey and The Game Awards creator Geoff Keighley to Ghost Story Games in Boston, where we spent six hours playing a recent build of his new narrative-driven single-player first-person shooter Judas, followed by a lengthy conversation with the award-winning game designer to discuss the long wait since BioShock Infinite, bringing the "narrative LEGOs" concept to life in Judas, what the game is all about, and much more. You can watch the entire interview in the video above, but before you do, we figured you might want to know a little bit about Judas first. So we'll share the basics, without spoiling anything: Judas is a first-person narrative-driven shooter that, from a moment-to-moment gameplay perspective, will feel familiar to BioShock fans. You have a gun in your right hand and various organic powers on your left hand.
    Story-wise, you play as Judas, a young woman aboard the Mayflower, a city-sized spaceship on a multi-generational mission to save humanity by transporting what's left of it from Earth to a new planet, called Proxima Centauri. You start the game having been reprinted (yes, meaning you were dead), where you'll wake up and begin interacting with the holographic projections of the three leaders who run the ship: Tom, the ship's head of security who wants to protect all of humanity by ensuring that the Mayflower's original mission stays on course; Nefertiti, the ship's Nobel Prize-winning doctor who wants to create a civilization of full robots with no human flaws; and Hope, who wants your help deleting herself because the existential crisis of her existence leads her to the conclusion that deletion is the only way to end her suffering. Further complicating matters is that the three of them are a family: Tom and Nefertiti were married, and Hope was their adopted daughter. It's up to you to side with whomever you feel like, but whatever choice you make has consequences. Doing a favor for Tom might piss off Hope and/or Nefertiti, and vice versa.
    This constant push and pull is at the heart of Judas's player-driven narrative, and it means that no two playthroughs are ever likely to be the same. That's the "narrative LEGOs" in action, and what we talk a lot about in the course of the interview. Enjoy!
    #IGN
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  • @Facebag201
    @Facebag201 Місяць тому +133

    You can tell how excited Ken is that he's able to discuss some of these plot details after years. This is definitely a buy for me.

  • @8AndaHalfPeppers
    @8AndaHalfPeppers Місяць тому +819

    Find the complaints about this "just being like Bioshock" as silly. It's a continuation of the philosophies and ideals that Irrational have adhered to since System Shock 2 over 25 years ago. Do we criticise From Software for just iterating on top of a similair gameplay structure? No, we don't.

    • @kaiholeung903
      @kaiholeung903 Місяць тому +45

      Keep mentioning bioshock is also annoying me, Can we just consider this is a new game?😂
      I bet this game will be better than Bioshock and Bioshock is a 10/10 for me🫡

    • @jonesy6354
      @jonesy6354 Місяць тому +61

      They've reskinned Demon's souls more times than games Ken has released in his full career.

    • @stuckintheinbetween
      @stuckintheinbetween Місяць тому +71

      These people act like Bioshock-esque games are releasing every year like Call of Duty or Madden when we haven't had a Bioshock game in over 10 years and the last game that wasn't Bioshock but was like it was released 7 years ago (Prey 2017).

    • @jimmythegamer2231
      @jimmythegamer2231 Місяць тому +19

      What's even sillier about those complaints is that the game isn't even gonna be exactly the same as BioShock anyways. It's gonna be highly replayable and have a very non-linear narrative, way more than any of the BioShock games. Besides it's not like BioShock style games are a dime a dozen, they're pretty rare.

    • @seanifer12
      @seanifer12 Місяць тому +4

      @@kaiholeung903 it’s definitely a new thing but it’s aesthetic is unmistakably bioshock lol

  • @thegameawards
    @thegameawards Місяць тому +434

    Really enjoyed this chat with Ken and Ryan -- Geoff

  • @xXkashmoney99Xx
    @xXkashmoney99Xx Місяць тому +247

    These kinds of games will always be an instant buy for me! Passionate creator who understands games and what gamers want and wanting to push boundaries is so rare nowadays so it’s fantastic to see there are game still being produced like this.

    • @mcsick007
      @mcsick007 Місяць тому +1

      agreed

    • @dsimpson530
      @dsimpson530 Місяць тому +2

      There are inverses to this. Peter Molyneux comes to mind.

    • @stefandinu6389
      @stefandinu6389 Місяць тому +2

      Remember callisto protocol? It was supposed to be a dead space spiritual successor and look how that turned out. Best wait for reviews.

    • @xaby996
      @xaby996 Місяць тому

      ​@@stefandinu6389and the melee combat still looks like "hit the anywhere" oblivion style attacks

  • @ddust102
    @ddust102 Місяць тому +205

    Glad they are still making games like this

    • @homelander2243
      @homelander2243 Місяць тому

      Give it another 5 years. Wait till my generation takes all dev spots 😂

    • @thekal2851
      @thekal2851 Місяць тому

      True, dude.
      Wish we could play these games often without waiting so long.
      Looking forward to playing Judas!

  • @adderblack39
    @adderblack39 Місяць тому +57

    It occurred to me how important Ken Levine is to games.. especially in today's current climate

  • @ryanwinkler7996
    @ryanwinkler7996 Місяць тому +67

    Shout out for the XCOM shirt

  • @johnberlioz8001
    @johnberlioz8001 Місяць тому +251

    Yall better listen to this man. One of the most influential and legendary game developers in history. No doubt he's gonna push the genre again with Judas.

    • @user-lm7ux9zg8r
      @user-lm7ux9zg8r Місяць тому +12

      Dude, Bioshock Infinite was terrible both from gameplay and story perspective.

    • @iraford5788
      @iraford5788 Місяць тому +44

      ​@@user-lm7ux9zg8ryour opinion on bioshock infinite doesnt matter as it was objectively one of the best games the year it came out.

    • @TheHardWay71
      @TheHardWay71 Місяць тому +16

      ⁠@@user-lm7ux9zg8rI’m confused. Even if YOU didn’t like it, that is your opinion, and it was critically acclaimed when it came out and is generally held in high regard by the majority of people. And how would also you not liking ONE game that Ken made, somehow say anything about this new game you’ve never even touched, and is attempting something brand new for narrative in games?

    • @Connormccloud25
      @Connormccloud25 Місяць тому +4

      ​@iraford5788 Honestly love bioshock infinite despite its cut content, still holds up really well and that ending was so cool.
      Still yet to play the dlcs for that game are they worth playing?

    • @a-Stalk3r
      @a-Stalk3r Місяць тому

      Play the DLC and your opinion on infinite will change.@@Connormccloud25

  • @mistrdevine
    @mistrdevine Місяць тому +187

    Ken Levine looks a little like Steve Carrell.

    • @pedjanedeljkovic7021
      @pedjanedeljkovic7021 Місяць тому +10

      Nah, more likely Steve Carrell looks like Ken Levine.

    • @kokomanation
      @kokomanation Місяць тому +2

      It is the same person but works in 2 different brands

    • @Jay-uv5xg
      @Jay-uv5xg Місяць тому +3

      hes the jewish version lol

    • @_johnreaper
      @_johnreaper Місяць тому +2

      He looks like Peter Jacobson. Its uncanny.

  • @user-vd9pf6pu3o
    @user-vd9pf6pu3o 24 дні тому +3

    Ken levine is a true artist. Look at the passion and excitement in his face and voice as he speaks about the game. This is my most hyped game and kev levine is one of my favorite artists ever.

  • @root0062
    @root0062 Місяць тому +45

    If Ken's sitting down you know its worth a listen.

    • @nilspochat8665
      @nilspochat8665 Місяць тому +1

      especially xhile he's wearing an XCOM shirt

  • @josephcalamia5586
    @josephcalamia5586 Місяць тому +23

    I'm really like how Ken explained the dynamic between the three characters and the intriguing world that players will get to explore when Judas is released. Can't wait to see more!

  • @PayneSculptures
    @PayneSculptures Місяць тому +93

    IGN - you guys need to adjust the audio level discrepancy and re-upload this video. For example the difference in volume at 11min 28sec between the Kevin Levine interview and the gameplay video is so loud you could have blown out speakers, headphones and hurt ear drums. Please fix this.

    • @BoomSlang001
      @BoomSlang001 Місяць тому +11

      Great jumpscare

    • @evr9428
      @evr9428 Місяць тому +15

      Exactly. Who tf did the editing for this??

  • @TempleofShaolin
    @TempleofShaolin Місяць тому +52

    One of my most anticipated games

  • @mur02004
    @mur02004 Місяць тому +4

    There been this narrative for the last 2 decades that AAA games should play like movies. To me that fundamentally undermines the strength of video games, and computer science in general, which is their ability to simulate reality and give players a sense of choice. I'm so glad Ken is capitalizing on this strength and bringing this sense of choice and simulation back into AAA gaming.

  • @Gametism
    @Gametism Місяць тому +82

    A true mastermind. The experience of Infinite still grips me to this day

  • @jaysantos3283
    @jaysantos3283 Місяць тому +28

    Been a fan of Ken Levines work since the original Bioshock

  • @RARufus
    @RARufus Місяць тому +8

    Ken and Irrational have such an excellent track record. Nothing is perfect, but they make great games with cool settings, great visuals, memorable characters and stories, etc.

  • @infiniterift
    @infiniterift Місяць тому +30

    To everybody who works or worked on this game:
    THANKS! You're awesome!

    • @shorafarahani
      @shorafarahani Місяць тому +1

      lol there are more "worked" than "works" ... but thank you for kind words

  • @Asian_Import
    @Asian_Import Місяць тому +69

    Ken Levine is a living legend. Bioshock is my favorite series of all time, Burial at Sea is tied with Witcher 3: Blood and Wine for best DLC ever released. So happy he’s finally back with a new game!

    • @SproloquiTv
      @SproloquiTv Місяць тому +1

      Too bad we dont get a bioshock 4

    • @taigaaisaka6305
      @taigaaisaka6305 Місяць тому +6

      Dude, how in God's name do you have one of the best written DLC with Blood and Wine and right next to it one so awfully made that it killed its franchise? Genuine question. The quality of them are literal polar opposites.

    • @Asian_Import
      @Asian_Import Місяць тому

      @@SproloquiTv A new BioShock game is in development by 2K and Cloud Chamber! Confirmed back in 2019, we should get some news within the next year or two. There were reports that development has been rocky though…

    • @DishonoredSkull
      @DishonoredSkull Місяць тому +2

      @@taigaaisaka6305 Agreed, BAS was not needed at all and hurt the series more than anything.

    • @DoubleDHarvey
      @DoubleDHarvey Місяць тому +8

      @@taigaaisaka6305’killing the franchise’ and ending the franchise are two entirely different things. And I’ve never got the complaint BAS is badly written, it’s basically the same quality as the rest of the games

  • @EVGodzilla
    @EVGodzilla Місяць тому +68

    Judas is going to be spectacular. Ken has passion for stories and his characters!

  • @clerk-555
    @clerk-555 Місяць тому +35

    It's super cool hearing Ken Levine speak about creatvity

  • @Cakauu
    @Cakauu Місяць тому +31

    Huuuuuge respect for Mr. Levine! Can’t wait to play Judas!

  • @HeyMyNameIs...
    @HeyMyNameIs... Місяць тому +8

    i'm 100% certain if you are a creator and you are working with someone like Ken Levine that changes many things during development. It can be extremely tough. Especially if you don't have a certainty that the game will be finished in it's original concept. Ken Levine's brain is a dark souls boss.

  • @stonefish1318
    @stonefish1318 Місяць тому +5

    Bioshock was a Masterpiece, Bioshock 2 pure Art and Bioshock Infinite Impressive!

  • @yup8865
    @yup8865 Місяць тому +1

    Sweeet, looking forward to it! The focus on writing characters with care is such a big brain move. Ken's unique world building and atmosphere always demand my attention.

  • @grcigar9911
    @grcigar9911 Місяць тому +2

    Paralleling professional sports, fan access to the athletes is almost just as important as the actual events they compete in. The video game industry has an opportunity to increase engagement with the creatives themselves instead of focusing primarily on the finished product. Job well done and looking forward to more such interviews in the future. As for Judas, looks awesome 👏

  • @tobiascobarrubias1662
    @tobiascobarrubias1662 Місяць тому +3

    Long time no see, Kevin Levine. Glad to have you back!

  • @roksitzenfrei
    @roksitzenfrei Місяць тому +6

    Judas and clockwork revolution are most anticipated games to date but will be waiting for a while take your time

  • @samichmachine
    @samichmachine Місяць тому +13

    can someone pls fix the volume balance. the clips from the game are SO loud

  • @willhahn1730
    @willhahn1730 Місяць тому +11

    Such a treat to have these 3 together. Also, awesome office, Ken! Very nice!

  • @thinktribal
    @thinktribal Місяць тому +5

    Alright, having the Vectrex displaying Judas was pretty cool in the background

  • @zanfear
    @zanfear Місяць тому +2

    Been waiting for this interview - and this NEW GAME - for over 10 years now.

  • @CCowleyMedia
    @CCowleyMedia Місяць тому

    Hmmm, feel like when Ken and Geoff are in the interview it's always been a great time. Can't wait for the next world from this team. Thanks for all the fantastic games! Thanks Ryan, Ken, and Geoff!

  • @musicxxa6678
    @musicxxa6678 Місяць тому +1

    Sounds great. This interview made me so hyped.

  • @ryu_san_
    @ryu_san_ Місяць тому +2

    Very interesting to hear the philosophy behind the narrative and game experience - looking forward to it!

    • @pythonxz
      @pythonxz Місяць тому +1

      Philosophy is definitely something Ken loves to incorporate into his stories.

  • @daveycress
    @daveycress Місяць тому

    Very, very cool. Thanks to both parties on bringing this to the world!

  • @GhostRider-un9gm
    @GhostRider-un9gm Місяць тому +5

    😊 I'm glad Ken is arround creating these beautiful things 😊

  • @nathangabrielmusician
    @nathangabrielmusician Місяць тому +2

    Oh man having Ken Levine talk about this deep stuff, has me so excited where the future of gaming can draw from! :D

  • @Eclipsed972
    @Eclipsed972 Місяць тому +13

    Can’t wait to play this!

  • @scottdacosta8195
    @scottdacosta8195 Місяць тому +2

    If you didn’t already know but just hearing Ken talk you just know he’s a bona fide Genius

  • @ULTIMATEPATCHES
    @ULTIMATEPATCHES Місяць тому +2

    Love the VECTREX with "Judas" on the screen!

  • @MicahMode
    @MicahMode 22 дні тому

    So incredibly excited for this game. Hoping for its success and that Ken can keep pumping them out for another 30 years.

  • @GameTalesHQ
    @GameTalesHQ Місяць тому +6

    This just became one of my most anticipated titles of all time. Super excited to see what they've been cooking up!

  • @TheAbysswalker
    @TheAbysswalker Місяць тому +23

    Ryan McCaffrey is the beating heart of IGN, as far as I'm concerned.

  • @mopar426power
    @mopar426power Місяць тому +4

    So damn hype for this game. Bioshock is one of my favorite franchises.

  • @Sir-DavidJames
    @Sir-DavidJames Місяць тому +1

    The enemy design and guns have that side of the road gift shop toy design and I'm here for it.

  • @Gwilherm
    @Gwilherm Місяць тому +1

    The Alexa bit terrified me, lmao!

  • @amossss
    @amossss Місяць тому +1

    Holy shi Ive been waiting 20 years for this. My favorite game of all time and favorite game creator is back baby!!!!!!

  • @Rastapopoulos2939
    @Rastapopoulos2939 Місяць тому

    Best thing in in this video: Ken Levines shirt. And what Keely( or whatever is name is) is doing in the video is the largest enigma.

  • @Gamerinthehive
    @Gamerinthehive Місяць тому

    Great interview Ryan / Geoff

  • @amandakucsera
    @amandakucsera 10 днів тому

    My favorite part of the world building in Bioshock games were the audio diaries…I was really hoping those would come back!

  • @p00pie
    @p00pie Місяць тому

    This is just a brilliant setting and premise for a game.

  • @AliEbadi-99
    @AliEbadi-99 Місяць тому +9

    Cant wait 🔥

  • @thefearofg0ds758
    @thefearofg0ds758 Місяць тому +1

    I've always felt like Ken Levine is the James Cameron of the gaming industry. He tends to only release something once a generation but when he does...it's something special. The same perfectionist obsession that gives him a bad reputation as difficult to work with. Bioshock would be his T2. Infinite would be his Avatar. Critically beloved but fans are split.

  • @Sophiern
    @Sophiern Місяць тому +4

    Man is a genius. Can't wait for Judas 🤟

  • @gtaatmiami
    @gtaatmiami Місяць тому +1

    This is really interesting and innovative. It could single handedly save single player gaming in the future. Much like how you buy a new Lego set after you finish the last one, they can release new “Lego sets” built on the same architecture.

  • @Skiad-OpsGash
    @Skiad-OpsGash Місяць тому +3

    If you can't wait, play Prey (2017) if you haven't. It's really underappreciated.

  • @RyanPaquette
    @RyanPaquette Місяць тому

    So awesome to hear from Ken Levine the David Duchovny of the video game world! Big fan of this guy and his games! Can’t wait for “Judas!”

  • @nukers1234
    @nukers1234 Місяць тому +1

    Really look forward to this game

  • @CHA0SBLEEDS
    @CHA0SBLEEDS Місяць тому +5

    Is Eldin Ring Just Dark Souls. Is Balder's Gate 3 just Divinity Original Sin? Sure you can see the Bioshock DNA in the game he's making, but he's using his past experience to make possibly his best "Bioshock" game yet without being confined to the Bioshock name.

  • @StonkyBunny
    @StonkyBunny Місяць тому

    Eagerly awaits for JUDAS: Collector's Edition: inc. Horsedroid'springy'figurine!

  • @ashtondillard6906
    @ashtondillard6906 Місяць тому +2

    The irony that people are calling it Bioshock when the story and setting sound far more similar to system shock…

  • @Thedrewshow559
    @Thedrewshow559 Місяць тому +1

    I’m so pumped on this game

  • @SMEGMA-ROVER
    @SMEGMA-ROVER Місяць тому +1

    Levine is damn great. Hope he develops games forever.

  • @TheCatsBrigade
    @TheCatsBrigade Місяць тому

    I'm so excited! Can't wait for it to come out : )

  • @tatitorodriguez376
    @tatitorodriguez376 Місяць тому +1

    Bio shock infinite is criminally underrated,….too smart for people,…went over many peoples heads,….one of my favorite storylines and implications of it of any media not just games,

  • @seanifer12
    @seanifer12 Місяць тому +14

    Really love this guys passion. You can really feel how excited he is for people to experience the game. Loved the bioshock games and can’t wait for this!

  • @urmie
    @urmie Місяць тому +1

    Ken Levine game, instant purchase of the super deluxe collector or whatever edition. Take my money!

  • @dougdeveloper8850
    @dougdeveloper8850 Місяць тому +2

    The best video games aren't just something fun to play but also about ideas and emotions. The Bioshock series was fun but it was also about its themes and ideas. Likewise, Silent Hill 2 is considered the best because it is a powerful emotional story.

  • @somedude1324
    @somedude1324 Місяць тому +1

    A bigger budget Void Bastards. Looks great!

  • @Ganderlow
    @Ganderlow Місяць тому +3

    People forgot we have 16 Final Fantasy games and complain when a director makes a project similar to his past work like BioShock.

  • @CatKingultra
    @CatKingultra Місяць тому

    Ken Lavinia seems like an awesome guy!

  • @filiplazov5895
    @filiplazov5895 Місяць тому

    Thank you for this wonderful video?

  • @Dennis-nc3vw
    @Dennis-nc3vw Місяць тому

    This looks amazing. In an era of endless Disney remakes its easy to think art is dead, and be things like this give me hope.

  • @johnnysheen9615
    @johnnysheen9615 Місяць тому +2

    Loving the Xcom T-Shirt.

  • @granzon7396
    @granzon7396 Місяць тому

    Really enjoyed the Bioshock series, hope the new game will be more than Bioshock

  • @shimstank8689
    @shimstank8689 Місяць тому +2

    LFG BABY KENS BACK

  • @mrplayfulshade1038
    @mrplayfulshade1038 Місяць тому +1

    "We wont spoil how you get around"
    *Shows big robot puppo with a cockpit*
    HMMMMM

  • @Dada228822
    @Dada228822 Місяць тому +3

    Ken is in Infinity War Tony Stark cosplay.

  • @AmaroRay
    @AmaroRay Місяць тому

    18:42
    Looks like the dude watched Gantz.

  • @catzilla1616
    @catzilla1616 Місяць тому +5

    Let's go!!!

  • @sillkthashocker
    @sillkthashocker Місяць тому +5

    Take a shot everytime Geoff interrupts Ken

  • @MikeUK
    @MikeUK Місяць тому +1

    Looks very promising, there are very few people left who are given all the time they want but ken is one

  • @Joseph_Hornreich
    @Joseph_Hornreich Місяць тому +1

    So flipping hyped

  • @pythonxz
    @pythonxz Місяць тому +1

    Bioshock was the only game I've played for 24 hours straight. It sounds like Judas is going to have very interesting immersive sim elements.

    • @lalotime
      @lalotime 13 днів тому

      If you are in a rush, you can beat the game in 6 hours. Normally it's around 10 if you explore everything.

  • @seanforbes3937
    @seanforbes3937 6 днів тому

    Bioshock and Infinite are both in my all time top 5. Cannot wait

  • @NikkoKnight703
    @NikkoKnight703 Місяць тому

    Definitely getting this

  • @haplo_
    @haplo_ Місяць тому +1

    Heavy Sean Murray No Man's Sky energy.

  • @noahweddle4867
    @noahweddle4867 Місяць тому +1

    Damn so much info. Some felt like spoilers

  • @kingshadow8782
    @kingshadow8782 Місяць тому +9

    Amazing!

  • @401RISaint
    @401RISaint Місяць тому +1

    4-5 hr main story. Game focused with multiple play throughs.

  • @rezhu_veny
    @rezhu_veny 20 днів тому

    Great man, thx Ken! U legend!

  • @RareCandyTCG
    @RareCandyTCG Місяць тому

    I'm excited for this but the one thing that keeps bugging me is how all of the particle effects have that same Unreal Engine 3 look from over a decade ago.

  • @bplus2932
    @bplus2932 11 днів тому

    cant wait!

  • @cornichon2580
    @cornichon2580 Місяць тому

    Really informative and interesting chat, but I'm now scrubbing just to find if there's literally any info about when this game might actually be coming. Is there any discussion of that at all?

  • @fuelbot
    @fuelbot Місяць тому

    This sounds amazing.

  • @Littlediesel006
    @Littlediesel006 Місяць тому

    2:17 does this imply we will get the insane inputs of choice influencing the world on a bigger scale on a semi linear game, as in, are we getting the true bioshock infinite, an fps with decisions meticulous and small as say a telltale game?

  • @LeroyMustang
    @LeroyMustang Місяць тому +4

    Steve Carell, the greatest western game designer of the century.

  • @Crazyq454
    @Crazyq454 Місяць тому

    this was announced in 2022!? its weird that I'm just now hearing about the game now in 2024