Is protoss being buffed to a point which terran is having trouble adjusting to it? Shield Battery at each nexus completely nullified single banshee play. And the buffing of stalkers seem to making it a much better late game unit when going against MMM. Oracles + stalkers seems to be doing great against widow mines. Both players seem to be utilizing almost every available unit in their races (except battlecruiser, carrier, mothership and tempest), but somehow stats' combo always seem to be on top when he hits maru's CC with dat deathball. He always sniped the Orbital Command and dented maru's econ... and then maru started to have trouble from there. I guess maru would have defended a lot better with a planetary?
Evidence, other than ideological opinion that it *can't* be unbalanced? I think it's pretty clear that protoss armies are stronger, and terran can not sit at home and make an army protoss is scared of. You have to do massive damage, but toss now has too many tools to prevent that. If you just defend and survive a second, you can know your army will be stronger.
@redwing999 THANK YOU for pointing out what I've been yelling out for a while. In the late game the Terran is pretty much hosed I feel because blink stalkers negate any late game unit that Terran has....including widow mines. Then the one thing that Terran is known for, banshee or drop ship plays, they can't even do that because batteries are so damn good at stalling until someone comes to mop up. Blizzard really needs to take a hard look at what tools Terran has against Protoss because boy it's pretty small outside of surprise/zoning nuke launches and creative split pushes. Because once the late game death ball protato comes.... it's lights out for Terran.
@@jungoogie seriously. If you don't have a later-game answer, protoss knows all they have to do is defend. Even without scouting, the toss is not afraid of the Terran.
I think it's very hard to judge what's going on at the moment. It may take a bit longer for Terran to adjust. So we can't say "OH IMBA"! That would be too much an immature conclusion. All I can say is, Terran cannot play like they used to anymore. It is very clear that even someone as strong as Maru cannot do "single banshee strikes" against a single battery defend. That's just not viable anymore. The banshee needs micro-ing, and yet cannot do the damage it supposed to, while the battery needs zero micro against it and defended perfectly. Also, clearly, an Orbital Command at an exposed area is not viable against a Protoss deathball, which was demonstrated here. Probably needs a Planetary Fortress. The question is, would that be enough?
You're crazy. Stats' play "annoying"? He's doing Protoss ninja shit over here. This is amazing. Protoss units DO NOT accomplish the things that Stats is accomplishing with them.
Jaeki Lee, could explain why his Banshees just run around Stat's base after he knows some units are after it instead of getting at least 3 more probes if it stayed in the mineral line. If it was for scouting purposes, I don't believe it.
Yep protatos are sure balanced. Well done blizzard. You could stick a 200 IQ Terran or Zerg against a comatose vegetable Protoss player and they would still lose because the kit the protoss has is so much more versatile and less clunky.
I think players either need to have enough circuit points or be voted into GSL vs the World, so I'd assume he wasn't either. He's my favorite Protoss of all time and he'd be great fun in the team phase but this is sort of an exclusive event so lots of top players are left out, sometimes to the exclusion of more popular players instead. Seeing a Has versus sOs on this tournament would have been a real treat though!
Didn't see Maru's sick multiprong agressive pushes combined with his god-like micro. Felt like he pulled his punches against Stats. Glad for Stats, though.
He was probably wasn't confident that those multi pronged attacks would work against Stats whose known to be super defensive. Maru tried the same thing he did to Showtime with the Banshee cloak decoy - snipe the other expansion. Stat's playstyle is the perfect counter to Maru's and back in the GSL finals s1(?) when Maru won, the Raven missile wasn't nerfed yet. But I agree though that it really did feel that Maru was pulling his punches. Even when he lost , he wasn't really bummed out about it. Even Stats said in the interview he was (to quote the translator) "PERPLEXED" that he won.
Seeing the title GSL vs The World, Republic of Korea really feels like the USA of Starcraft instead of basketball. Its just dream team. (Though played alone 😂😂)
Stats really made good use of Immortals and the quick rock paper scissors with Collosi into Disruptors. He was also very reactive to Maru's advances. It's as if Stats was a zerg player. Those stalkers and cannon at the edge of his main really felt like the usual Zerg Queen/Hyrda + Spore hang out at the edge of their main. And Stats timing was super good, I think he figured out Maru's upgrade timing. He was able to do damage just before Maru's +2 upgrades were up.
That's impossible, first of all, if it was all staged, then Maru would have won this semifinals. Because everybody wanted the Maru vs Serral finals, yet we got Stats instead. Plus a lot of external factors like the players being sick on that day can greatly affect their performance, or if they're just out of their game on that day. Starcraft is an extremely high concentration game, a single factor out of place just screws them over so much.
The hell does a Terran do against a Protoss that put's shield batteries up in their mineral lines and has oracles that keep your army completely visible for the entire game? Blizzard please get your heads out of your butts and address the strengths of the protoss because they have so many tools with little downsides versus the Terran and Zerg. i.e. Immortal/ archon drops , proxy warp in, shield battery proxy with cannons, psi storm drops, blink being too damn versatile, etc etc. The only time that Protoss are weak is mid game and the early stages of late game.... Makes sense?
@dimdi bg It's hard for anyone to play against protatos. They have far more reliable tools than the clunky units terran has and can abuse the hell out of Zerg because Zerg's air defense stinks for the longest time having to rely on multiple queens per base just to keep phoenix's from decimating mineral lines.... until the archeon drops happen and they can just dish out punishment and sit back until their shields recharge to rinse and repeat. Then if Zerg can make it to late game there's the psi storm menace that will screw them over....balanced blizzard.
no pense que un simple DT pusiera tanta presion spicologica en un player terran obligandolo a usar los SCAN, en ves de llenar bases con full EMUL, TY, Stats
You scratch your heads wondering how to boost viewers, then you have people shouting at you that Maynard is a bad caster because he talks too fast and you ignore it. So your audience gets frustrated and watches something else. Why don't you just listen?
Look out, the hordes of internet will come for you. They bear the ideology that all terrans "whine", and the game physically cannot be imbalanced, even if carriers were a warpgate tech that cost 100 minerals, they would still say it couldn't be imbalanced.
Seriously? With the pvt win rate favoring protoss heavily? With not needing a msc to recall anymore? A single storm being miles wide? Faster upgrades, safer expands, easy-mode zealot harass? How about ranged splash units that don't have to siege? The warp prism pick up radius and speed? No. Protoss is just way stronger than Terran right now.
Alex Jobe Dude, win rates change over time, and good players rise and fall. Maru has been doing fantastic until very recently. Sure, Protoss is doing decently against Terran right now (52%) but Zerg is kicking everyone's asses. Did you watch Serral annihilate everyone? Tell me: is Zerg OP, or is Serral OP?! And Protoss did fairly badly in most of 2017: were you upset then? (aligulac.com/misc/balance/) You should just relax and realize that the meta game shifts all the time, and also learn how to use ranged Liberators (OP as Hell), Mines, Marauders, Ghosts and Ravens. EMP is a good spell! I do think they nerfed the Mine a bit too much, but aside from that... Terran feels fine to me.
Cristian Belmar You do understand there's a prize pool of 30K on the line right? At Katowice 2018 between Maru and Serral back in Feb. Serral have already bested Maru, so it wouldn't be the first. Lets see you throw 6k usd away (price pool difference between winning this match), than i'll believe you.
![[GSL vs. the World 2018] Day3 Ro4 Match2 Serral vs Dark](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lbpqWLlK8Wg/mqdefault.jpg)
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Really like Stats clean Protoss play.
Thing 3242#252 does dirty protoss play imply cannons
Vladislav Derbenev I don't think he means clean as opposed to dirty
I think trap has more skill, I hope he finds his groove.
Scrub Terran here. It brings me joy watching Maru bring the pain to the Protoss. (even if he lost this particular set)
31:40 is it really worth it to spend 50 energy to recall a single probe? wouldn't a chronoboost be more rewarding?
1 .Yes
2. No
The future is Unity it bamboozles them
what is that sound at 29:00 lol
yes, that was fucking weird lol
Maru is such a nice guy in this whole series, he is having so much fun, I respect everyone's ambition but showing the importance of enjoyment too
Is protoss being buffed to a point which terran is having trouble adjusting to it? Shield Battery at each nexus completely nullified single banshee play. And the buffing of stalkers seem to making it a much better late game unit when going against MMM. Oracles + stalkers seems to be doing great against widow mines. Both players seem to be utilizing almost every available unit in their races (except battlecruiser, carrier, mothership and tempest), but somehow stats' combo always seem to be on top when he hits maru's CC with dat deathball. He always sniped the Orbital Command and dented maru's econ... and then maru started to have trouble from there. I guess maru would have defended a lot better with a planetary?
redwing999 its more like Maru get outplateyed THE balanace is fine.
Evidence, other than ideological opinion that it *can't* be unbalanced? I think it's pretty clear that protoss armies are stronger, and terran can not sit at home and make an army protoss is scared of. You have to do massive damage, but toss now has too many tools to prevent that. If you just defend and survive a second, you can know your army will be stronger.
@redwing999 THANK YOU for pointing out what I've been yelling out for a while. In the late game the Terran is pretty much hosed I feel because blink stalkers negate any late game unit that Terran has....including widow mines. Then the one thing that Terran is known for, banshee or drop ship plays, they can't even do that because batteries are so damn good at stalling until someone comes to mop up. Blizzard really needs to take a hard look at what tools Terran has against Protoss because boy it's pretty small outside of surprise/zoning nuke launches and creative split pushes. Because once the late game death ball protato comes.... it's lights out for Terran.
@@jungoogie seriously. If you don't have a later-game answer, protoss knows all they have to do is defend. Even without scouting, the toss is not afraid of the Terran.
I think it's very hard to judge what's going on at the moment. It may take a bit longer for Terran to adjust. So we can't say "OH IMBA"! That would be too much an immature conclusion. All I can say is, Terran cannot play like they used to anymore. It is very clear that even someone as strong as Maru cannot do "single banshee strikes" against a single battery defend. That's just not viable anymore. The banshee needs micro-ing, and yet cannot do the damage it supposed to, while the battery needs zero micro against it and defended perfectly. Also, clearly, an Orbital Command at an exposed area is not viable against a Protoss deathball, which was demonstrated here. Probably needs a Planetary Fortress. The question is, would that be enough?
why do they play loud music during interviews I cant hear
Do anyone know the name of the song at 4:44?
36:45 So I guess Protoss have red blood! I've never seen the bleeding animation on a Protoss unit before though..... interesting.
lol wtf?
Right? Am I crazy?
Game 1 6:06
the real hero
Whats the sound you hear at 29:00
that was a crazy game 3. 77 army to 35. dark templars, along with the 2 disruptors, save the day for stats.
Linda partida, de unos verdaderos jugadores pro de star craf 2 😎😎😉
The unstopable has been stopped. But i think Maru didnt give it 100%.
no seize tank that make me smell something
Game 3 was insanely intense. Haha. Well played!
stats play has very annoying but strong playstyle, maru out, he made many mistakes. sucks, cause i wanted to see maru vs serral
Stats is a G. My man!
I wanted to see serral vs Maru too but damn that was great play from stats. Good sportsmanship from both players too.
You're crazy. Stats' play "annoying"? He's doing Protoss ninja shit over here. This is amazing. Protoss units DO NOT accomplish the things that Stats is accomplishing with them.
Jacob Underwood u don't understand what I mean: he plays strong, with an annoying style. Now stfu bronzie and go click cards.
"Har har, I am a troll who tells people wrong shit then claims it is right and calls them unskilled, look at all my originality."
Maru is just saving his energy for gsl season3 and blizcon
Jaeki Lee, could explain why his Banshees just run around Stat's base after he knows some units are after it instead of getting at least 3 more probes if it stayed in the mineral line. If it was for scouting purposes, I don't believe it.
That’s true
Excuses, excuses.
what is the track playing in the beginning?
Long live Stats, Toss god.
Yep protatos are sure balanced. Well done blizzard. You could stick a 200 IQ Terran or Zerg against a comatose vegetable Protoss player and they would still lose because the kit the protoss has is so much more versatile and less clunky.
stats is just so solid. his decision making is by far the best in the world. He is a so genius that he out played maru in all the 4 games.
3/4 games
When you're 40 workers behind and having to use scans to get rid of single DTs. Feels bad man
name of song at 1:02:02 anyone?
song in 46:00 any1?
"Immortals don't die that quickly"
I used to live here. So weird..sometimes I wonder if it was real. I know all the spots shown and used to see these casters in Hongdae
Where's SOS?
I think players either need to have enough circuit points or be voted into GSL vs the World, so I'd assume he wasn't either. He's my favorite Protoss of all time and he'd be great fun in the team phase but this is sort of an exclusive event so lots of top players are left out, sometimes to the exclusion of more popular players instead.
Seeing a Has versus sOs on this tournament would have been a real treat though!
Didn't see Maru's sick multiprong agressive pushes combined with his god-like micro. Felt like he pulled his punches against Stats.
Glad for Stats, though.
He was probably wasn't confident that those multi pronged attacks would work against Stats whose known to be super defensive. Maru tried the same thing he did to Showtime with the Banshee cloak decoy - snipe the other expansion. Stat's playstyle is the perfect counter to Maru's and back in the GSL finals s1(?) when Maru won, the Raven missile wasn't nerfed yet.
But I agree though that it really did feel that Maru was pulling his punches. Even when he lost , he wasn't really bummed out about it. Even Stats said in the interview he was (to quote the translator) "PERPLEXED" that he won.
Game 3 Maru should have pull SCV right away after stats attack.
what are "tree barracks" ?
Seeing the title GSL vs The World,
Republic of Korea really feels like the USA of Starcraft instead of basketball.
Its just dream team. (Though played alone 😂😂)
Stats did it! He used Robo tech against Maru's bio-heavy style and won easily(?)!
Flx Maru probably doesnt want to give up his builds that he prepared for GSL
That may be true but I really think the great use of immortals is what won those engagements
Stats really made good use of Immortals and the quick rock paper scissors with Collosi into Disruptors. He was also very reactive to Maru's advances. It's as if Stats was a zerg player. Those stalkers and cannon at the edge of his main really felt like the usual Zerg Queen/Hyrda + Spore hang out at the edge of their main.
And Stats timing was super good, I think he figured out Maru's upgrade timing. He was able to do damage just before Maru's +2 upgrades were up.
I agree in games 1 and 4... but he lost in 2, and I would never call game 3 an "easy" win. That shit was epic and scrappy!!
fuck yeah! finally a protoss player gets a win against maru.
there's a lot throwing in this season, ty GSL Directors, turning GSL into WWE
That's impossible, first of all, if it was all staged, then Maru would have won this semifinals. Because everybody wanted the Maru vs Serral finals, yet we got Stats instead. Plus a lot of external factors like the players being sick on that day can greatly affect their performance, or if they're just out of their game on that day. Starcraft is an extremely high concentration game, a single factor out of place just screws them over so much.
damn! both my faves rouge and maru now knocked out! >:/
Stats showing that even a god can bleed.gg
Maru would have won the match if he was using Protoss also, Protoss is too OP!
The hell does a Terran do against a Protoss that put's shield batteries up in their mineral lines and has oracles that keep your army completely visible for the entire game? Blizzard please get your heads out of your butts and address the strengths of the protoss because they have so many tools with little downsides versus the Terran and Zerg. i.e. Immortal/ archon drops , proxy warp in, shield battery proxy with cannons, psi storm drops, blink being too damn versatile, etc etc. The only time that Protoss are weak is mid game and the early stages of late game.... Makes sense?
Toss Op
Game 1: 5:54
Game 2: 19:22
Game 3: 28:40
Game 4: 49:39
Game 5: 1:01:22
Great game loved it
Roti should be forbidden to cast games with Protoss players unless it's a PvP. He's so heavily biased and just can't control it.
Yeah its very hard to play terran vs prottos :)
@dimdi bg It's hard for anyone to play against protatos. They have far more reliable tools than the clunky units terran has and can abuse the hell out of Zerg because Zerg's air defense stinks for the longest time having to rely on multiple queens per base just to keep phoenix's from decimating mineral lines.... until the archeon drops happen and they can just dish out punishment and sit back until their shields recharge to rinse and repeat. Then if Zerg can make it to late game there's the psi storm menace that will screw them over....balanced blizzard.
I love Stats!
no pense que un simple DT pusiera tanta presion spicologica en un player terran obligandolo a usar los SCAN, en ves de llenar bases con full EMUL, TY, Stats
Loving the Toss haters right now!
hmmmm, another KR Protoss :) History always repeat.
29:00 WTF!?
조마루 감자탕이지다니
YEEEEE
조성주 탈락임 그럼? 다시 기회없음?
끝임 끝! 대엽이형이 일냈다!!
아 물론 gsl 시즌 3가 남아있음
팀전 남았음 조성주가 대장이라 최대 2경기 남음 에이스결정전까지
You scratch your heads wondering how to boost viewers, then you have people shouting at you that Maynard is a bad caster because he talks too fast and you ignore it. So your audience gets frustrated and watches something else. Why don't you just listen?
Joey Lakatos they should hire lowkotv - way better caster
Nah, lowko's english sucks. He really needs to work on pronunciation. I'd rather shoot myself than listen to him cast..
p.s. I think maynard does fine, I'm assuming you don't play so it is tougher to understand faster talk
MystiKasT that's a bit extreme ^.^ I like the accents , it reminds me that sc2 is a global thing
giving us track lists would help for starters....
I wish it was classic that made it. even when stats wins his games looks boring and annoying as fuk
지뢰랑 해방선 창렬같지 않나?
나만그럼?
난 얘네 쓰면 맨날 지던데
marine and medivac, Mass marines vs protoss? wtf
this is bronz ¿?
This screamo commentator... NAH prefer Artosis.
엄청 치열하네
성주큰그림좋다하긴더월드에자신의실력을다보여줄필요는없지GSL3연속우승전무후무한기록가으자근데간만에갓대엽프사기모습멋있었다우승가으자
대엽이형.... 제가 형 우승 얼마나 기다렸는지 알아요?.....ㅠㅠ
Really comes down to tvp being a joke matchup
Look out, the hordes of internet will come for you. They bear the ideology that all terrans "whine", and the game physically cannot be imbalanced, even if carriers were a warpgate tech that cost 100 minerals, they would still say it couldn't be imbalanced.
maru is a joke
Maru you are exhausted, this time you did not show anything
He keeps saying he is exhausted
Stats Is better
i hate this casters accent (the young one, the one pronouncing three , "tree"
I hate this accent in the commentator. Take someone to work for someone who speaks English!!
I love it :(
1:01:14 gayest thing i've seen
Terran is so weak after so many nerfs.
Uhh, what? Are you crazy? Terran is doing GREAT! They were nerfed because they needed to be, but the Marauder was buffed.
Seriously? With the pvt win rate favoring protoss heavily? With not needing a msc to recall anymore? A single storm being miles wide? Faster upgrades, safer expands, easy-mode zealot harass? How about ranged splash units that don't have to siege? The warp prism pick up radius and speed? No. Protoss is just way stronger than Terran right now.
Alex Jobe Dude, win rates change over time, and good players rise and fall. Maru has been doing fantastic until very recently. Sure, Protoss is doing decently against Terran right now (52%) but Zerg is kicking everyone's asses. Did you watch Serral annihilate everyone? Tell me: is Zerg OP, or is Serral OP?! And Protoss did fairly badly in most of 2017: were you upset then? (aligulac.com/misc/balance/)
You should just relax and realize that the meta game shifts all the time, and also learn how to use ranged Liberators (OP as Hell), Mines, Marauders, Ghosts and Ravens. EMP is a good spell! I do think they nerfed the Mine a bit too much, but aside from that... Terran feels fine to me.
first hehhe
Maru lost on purpose because he doesnt want to lose in the final against a foreigner. Small but smart.
Cristian Belmar You do understand there's a prize pool of 30K on the line right? At Katowice 2018 between Maru and Serral back in Feb. Serral have already bested Maru, so it wouldn't be the first. Lets see you throw 6k usd away (price pool difference between winning this match), than i'll believe you.
Yeah but 30k is chump change for maru
Plus he walked away with 15 k
lol.. you sound like you are salty about korean players being better eh?
The future is Unity lol no doubt, but I can see a Korean doing that kind of thing. Asian cultures are crazy judge mental
Really don't want to watch SC2 for Stats' annoying playing
mi life for aiur !! xD
역시조성주는작은대회에서는크게신경을안쓰는데스타2프로게이머의로망은블리즈컨우승이지나도그걸기대한다근데이벤트대회에서머엽이갓대엽프사기모드대단하다이번에는머엽이가잘했다굿