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It's Not Close At All... Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison Reaction
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GOAT Criteria: MJ
MVPs: MJ - 5 LeBron - 4
FMVPs: MJ - 6 LeBron - 4
Scoring titles: MJ - 10 LeBron - 4
Assist/Steals titles: MJ - 3 LeBron -1
DPOY: MJ - 1 LeBron -0
Championships: MJ6/6 LeBron 4/10
Defense: MJ
MJ: 9 First Team All-Defense, 1988 DPOY, 3x steals champ, 1x blocking champ, NBA Record for most blocks in a season by any guard (131), 1 of 4 players to have 200+ steals and 100+ blocks in a season (MJ did twice)
LeBron: 6 All-Defensive Teams, 3rd in voting behind KG & Dwight Howard in 2011-12, 2nd in voting behind Marc Gasol in 2012-13
Advanced Stats: MJ
VORP - MJ (more valuable)
OBPM - MJ (contributes more on offense)
DBPM - MJ (contributes more on defense)
WS/48 - MJ (Has a bigger impact on winning)
TS% - LeBron (85% of total points within 0-3ft of the basket)
LeBron WHO?!
You summed it up, nothing else needs to be said.
Plus MJ rarely took days off...... even played while sick. Definitely the real GOAT.
Lebron has only one scoring title
@@josephjudah77 I accidentally put 4 I meant 1 and this stupid platform won't let me change it lol
@@tommys2077 Exactly! I like LeBron but throughout his career he's had too many moments where he doesn't show up offensively and especially defensively. He can't be the G.O.A.T when that's his reputation.
Born and raised in Chicago. I'm 55 years old, so we got him when I was a junior in high school. I've seen MJ play in person several times all 40 plus point games. We (the crowd) couldn't believe what we were seeing. No weaknesses. None. He was literally a cheat code. We have never seen ANYTHING like him. He is the greatest basketball player to have ever walked the earth.
amen!!!
@@joselara850 amen
amen
amen
The real question is.. In a finals series, championship and superteam on the line.. Can Lebron stop Jason Terry? LMFAO
lol Mavs jokes
🤣🤣🤣
OUCH
I'm crying🤣🤣🤣
JJ Barea locked Lebron down too.
Jordan wins everything
ALWAYS
I mean not longevity. But yeah other than that.
I love what you said in the end. I never saw Jordan play. Dude, you have my respect. I'm 49 years old and I saw Jordan play at his prime. It was beautiful to watch even only on the television.
I appreciate that
I saw him llay a few games at the Wizards but i barely remember them
@@ChrisCanHoop I never saw him play at the Wizards. Some people say he sucks, so I prefer not to watch it.
@@ChrisCanHoop It's maybe because I'm a solid Bull's fan, as much as Michael Jordan's fan.
@@ibubsaint3171 LOL He was dropping 40 pt games at almost 40 yrs old... I don't know how that sucks hahaha
@@ChrisCanHoop really? What the hell!!!
Kobe was the next thing to Jordan
Don't forget about Larry Bird. I was never a fan of him growing up, (was a 76ers fan) but after watching videos of him these past few years I have to admit he was an incredible player.
I remember me and my friends sitting in front of the tv during the whole night here in Germany, just to see him play. He did things we had never seen before.
THATS AWESOME!
what's the time difference from here to Germany? Isn't it like +7 or 8
@@ChrisCanHoop Yes it is.
@@ingobordewick6480 Impressive and dedication right there!
It really wasn't any different here in the U.S. it was must see TV! Not to mention this generation can't really understand how "big" of a deal Jordan was. You and your friends are the perfect example, young boys on the other side of the planet watching him play is something else. We didn't have access to these athletes like ppl do now, no Twitter, internet, nothing. Only the game if you could see it or ESPN for highlights if you had that. But your the literal example of why Jordan was Jordan and any discussion of a goat Debate is pointless.
And never saw since. *MJ* 💯🐐🏀
LeBron fans even with stats & facts like this on paper will still be in denial.
then they gon call it fake stats
How can anyone call LeBron the GOAT? Imesn top 10 all time? Maybe. But GOAT? He lost to a mediocre Mavs team, is like 4 for 10 in the finals....
Jordan is like 6 for 6 and a guard so his stats mean something diff
@@Asian2706 but can he stop Jason Terry? lmfao
@@Asian2706 4/10 is less than 6/6
The fact you called Mavs mediocre just shows you dont know shit about basketball..MJ is goat but dont disrespect Dirk like that.
Exactly! How can anyone call lbj the goat if he's 1-3 against a guard named Stephen Curry, just wanna throw that context out as well
The reason why MJ went so hard on blocking Patrick is because pat blocked his shot in the play before so MJ gave it right back to him
This video should be enough to convince any Lebron fan that Jordan is better, but it won't because they're delusional 😂😂 The ultimate testament to me that Jordan is the GOAT is that I have almost never heard anyone that actually watched MJ play in his prime claim Lebron is better. It's mainly people from my generation that only have seen highlights claim that.
I've shown this vid to several lebrick fans. Most accept it, but many have an excuse for ANYTHING MJ is better at.
My Uncle been watching basketball since the 80s. He told me that he thought Mj was the goat after only his 3rd ring. In 2016 he started reconsidering it. After that finals series he told me that he’s never seen any basketball player that good.
Should be but nothing will be enough for the kids who only ever saw LeBron and think the 80s was like the 60s style of play
(which is why wilt should never be in GOAT conversation)
How good?
@@prezjr9193 You're an idiot if you think that after the stats, facts, and shit he shown. HE talked shit when needed. Dud SUCKS in the clutch, dude Sucks shooting outside 3 feet, he made a few jokes never went hard on lebrick. But you fans of a china stan that is lebrick will use those jokes to say exactly what you say that the vid is biased when dude said lebrick is on of his top 5 players all time.
Michael Jordan is the only reason why I and many others Rock J in our feets!!.. enough said 🐐🔥🏀🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Great point if you never lived through the Jordan era and watched him play night after night no UA-cam video highlight reel could ever let you know how great MJ was.
To summarize the experience imagine for a minute watching someone play and you saying man I wish we could win this game and your favorite athlete delivers every time, living up to all expectations, and never coming up short. That is what makes Jordan the GOAT.
Lebron just has more seasons on his side. His recent playing has even done worse for his "legacy". And as for Nick's comment at the beginning about Lebron being bigger and faster, how come he loses as much being that physically blessed in an era with smaller players and different foul-calling?
MJ is smaller, but clutchness and winning is what matters most.
I think Nick's argument is weak anyway. Being bigger, stronger, and faster than someone does not mean you will be better. Also, I'm not even sure Lebron his quicker and faster. I would need to see his 40 time and other measurables.
When this video gets into ANALYTICS... what goes over peoples heads are the side by side is actually much further apart than they seem. Tale Win Shares for example. MJ has led the league 8 times to Lebron's 5. But at the time the video was made MJ only played 13 full seasons, and Lebron 17 Full Seasons. So Lebron had an extra 4 years on MJ and still didn't match or beat MJ's number. MJ = 8/13 VS Lebron = 5/17.
I am an older guy, so I was fortunate enough to have seen Jordan play college and pro basketball and I got to see him play golf too. The reaction was right on point and so were the stats and figures of the video you watched.
Preciate you!
I tried to tell someone the other day, give Kobe Bryant Kawhi Leanord’s defense. That’s Michael Jordan.
I totally agree with your comment about Mount Rushmore. I've researched this myself and you're right. the game was very very different back in Wilt's time. I still don't have LeBron in my top five though. There is far too much disrespect shown to Kareem. I DID see him and bird and Magic play in a very tough era. The defense had so many things they could get away with, and damn near killed players. Hence the Jordan Rules. Watch the Bulls Mixtape. Watch how many players would be on defense against him. THAT is why that era was so popular with fans. It's was brutal. And in all that brutality, Jordan, Kareem, Bird and Magic STILL shone brightest. LeBron is close to Magic now. I will give him that. But this business of chasing titles by trying to create super teams. And the complete lack of defense played by LeBron. Sorry, I have him somewhere around 6th, fighting with a place with Kobe. But Jordan... There's NO debate. It's just a me generation who want to think they have the best player in THIS generation. They never saw Jordan or the others play. He would have destroyed LeBron. WHY? Because even if he wasn't better (although he would have been) he had such a ridiculous killer instinct, he would have worked overtime to become better, then on the court, he would have smashed LeBron with skills, speed, and killer mentality. He was the definition of a bad man on court.
I don't even have Wilt or Bill top 10 tbh.
I feel the same way about Wilt's time, but just watching the videos of him I can find, he seems like a very skilled player. He had a good mid-range game and was very athletic
@@SonicBoomC98 Yes, I agree, I should have mentioned Wilt.
you are awesome:)! 20 yrs from now we still will be talking about Jordan. Was simply amazing. privilege to see him play. Curry is changing the game like mj.
I PRECIATE YOU!!
Well said there..! The way the vid was created tho had some bias when picking which reels to put at which part of the discussion so it may rub some LeBron fans the wrong way, but that aside, context wise, it was accurate.
I think the reason for that is because this “debate” makes us talk about LeBron’s few weaknesses. Free throws, 3 point shooting, etc. that’s why this whole debate is so stupid. It’s disrespectful to LeBron James (one of the greatest players to ever play the game of Basketball) to compare him to Jordan.
Bird is #2,mainly because his ALL AROUND game,& his CLUTCH BRAIN FROM ANYWHERE!!!
Scoring titles it’s 10-1 and steals in a season it’s 3-0 I think
I’m 55 years old and live in Cleveland. I watched both their careers and even though Lebron helped us win Cleveland’s only championship in my life, he does not compare to Michael Jordan. Lebron is great until the pressure is on, then he is a choke. He is not even close to Jordan.
I was fortunate enough to watch Jordan in his prime. Even growing up in NY we always got Bulls games on WGN & I became more a Jordan fan than a Bulls fan. Kids today will never understand how great he was. No disrespect to LeBron but he's no comparison to MJ, no one is. I understand LeBron fans will say this video was biased against LeBron from the clips but regardless of the visuals in the video, the stats, facts & figures don't lie. LeBron is & will go down as one of the greatest in NBA history but he doesn't & never will stack up to MJ.
I am 41, and saw many player’s play. Jordan was the best I’ve ever seen. When he played the Rocket’s I could feel doom for my Rocket’s, even though the Rocket’s bested the Bull’s a lot, but I’ve never felt that for any Lebron team’s.
I was born in 79 and watched all of these careers. I’m still mad that I never had tickets to a Jordan game when in NY. I seen LeBron in Miami 4 times and it wasn’t him that got me excited.
This guy really thought lebron had MJ stat wise...lmaoooooo
It’s MJ, clearly. I shared season tickets from about 1988 through 92 and was at the hands switch scoop shot game 2 in 91 finals and at the six 3’s, 35 pts in one half game against the Blazers and the 15 pt fourth quarter comeback against the Blazers in Game 6. Game seven against the Knicks too. It’s like telling people i saw Jimi Hendrix live not once, not twice, but four times.
I have watched several of these GOAT comparison reaction videos. You are the only one who looked at the arguments made objectively. As you stated, the vast majority of Lebron fans are too young to have ever watched MJ play. Jordan's highlight videos are awesome to watch, but one thing missing is the fact that if you added every highlight in his career, the video would 100 hours long. He played great consistently night after night, year after year. People tend to gravitate to the players they grow up watching...and if you were lucky enough to watch both Jordan and James play...MJ is obviously a much better player.
On the winning side, lets also not forget that Jordan is 1-0 playing in the NCAA finals and he’s 4-0 internationally with a gold at the PanAm Games, the Tournament of the Americas and 2 golds at the Olympics.
LeBron. Greatest Stat player of all-time. MJ. Greatest of all-time. Jordan gets embarrassed when asked if he was the greatest. His answer. No. I never played Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, KAJ, Bill Russell, Oscar or Wilt. MJ 2nd fast to 10, 20 and 30k. LBJ best winning season 66n16, MJ 72n10. And he did that 13yrs ago......MJ only player in history to win MVP, scoring champ, champ, DPOY and finals MVP. I Believe you play to win the game no? Oh and when he was winning DPOY he averaged 35ppg. #savage
Facts!
I hate the "bron been to the playoffs more"
Like bro you play to win the finals not to get to the playoffs
The eye test is the Undeniable truth with MJ winning percent on display without change*
I love all the eye rolls, it's like your saying, "waait for it.,..." "there..." "and there...." "aaaand, there ya go."
I gotta be comedic somehow 😅😅😅
Not only did he have Love and Irving, he SNITCHED on Draymond to get an advantage. He was 6-for-6 in NBA Finals with 6 Finals MVPs. This means that he was the reason each time that his team won the title.
Exactly
@@Asian2706 Actually, my English makes perfect sense. It's an issue of whether you understand it or not... or if you agree or not!
It was obvious that a collusion happened. NO FLAGRANT FOUL WAS CALLED DURING THE GAME. And all of a sudden, the league slapped draymond of a flagrant foul the next day. Also, the altercation was initiated by lebron and dray's swipe didnt even hit lebron. And yet the league suspended him. The suspension derailed the Warrior's momentum. Bogut got injured in game 5 while iggy and steph were not 100%.
@@peterstark4562 reality is three things happened: Steph lost that series (1/3) as much as Lebron (and Kyrie) won it (1/3), and the refs were one sided (1/3) - honestly anyone objective will say it's a chip, but yeah it's a Fugazi chip
Chris, I appreciate the intelligence level you brought to this video. You even made a lot of points right before DANGERProductions made the case for it. That's what's up.
I forgot to mention the MJ ranks 6th All-time with 5.4 assists per game at the SG position and was an excellent passer. It is impossible to be ranked that high and not be good at assists, so that is a myth. Also, earlier in MJ's career his teammates were not good at scoring. MJ would pass to teammates and they wouldn't execute the score, so if he had the benefit of playing with all-star teammate like Lebron has had his assists would be even higher had those players been around him to scored once they got that feed from MJ.
Also, today's position-less game continues to blur the lines between the positions. Lebron is listed as PF/SF... but he's a really a Point Forward like Scottie Pippen was. He did all the things a Point Guard would do.. bring up the ball and facilitate the offense. But at the Forward position and not the Guard position.
At best Lebron can only chase #2. But in my book, Bird is # 2, so Lebron can only chase #3.
Sorry but I need my GOAT playing defense into his thirties. LeBron fans always quiet about that. Just throw up what he did on offense and hope people just ignore it. As the video shows Jordan out there making defensive first team and leading his position in defensive win shares and LeBron hasn't made a defensive team since 2014 and his rank plummets. And it's clearly due to lack of effort. He wasn't injured that whole time and he wasn't 37 for the last 7 years. The fact you can make a highlight video of him standing on the opposite side of the court watching hos team play 4 v 5 disqualifies him from being the GOAT in my eyes.
Warriors Beat LeBron Without K.D also. Let’s not get it twisted.
I am glad they brought up his GOAT debate, because it solidifies how great Jordan was. I never realized how superior Jordan was as I just watched him dominate.
I'm happy to say I did get to watch Jordan play. Him winning the NBA Finals for the first time was one of my earliest memories and was the catalyst for my love of sports.
When you see highlights of lebron finishing, you see defenders just standing there watching. When you see MJ’s highlights, unless it’s a fast break, he’s battling and winning through all sorts of heavy contact. Defense, hustle, are not a part of the modern game.
You cannot put LeBron James on your Mount Rushmore over Kobe, five championships versus 3 1/2, LeBron has only scored over 60 points one time, Kobe Bryant has more scoring titles, more more finals titles, and let’s not forget the second best scoring performance of all time. On two separate occasions Kobe Bryant has out scored the opposing team by himself. The only reason LeBron has more MVPs, is because BronSexual moby Smoochers like Nick Wright, Shannon Sharp, and Rachel Nichols have been key voters. You can put him on there next to Kobe, but you can’t put him on there over Kobe. Kobe never had to have a bubble to win a championship, and Kobe‘s worst season was nowhere near as atrocious as this past season was off of the team that LeBron constructed. Kobe has beaten more 50+ win teams than LeBron in a tougher conference. Personally as weak as this era is I can’t even put LeBron on my Mount Rushmore. Adam Silver has done everything but lower the hoop 2 feet and shorten the court 20 to help LeBron push past most of these players. In fact if you were to switch Scottie Pippen and LeBron James Era‘s i’m pretty sure the fan base would be trying to put Pippen in the goat conversation, in fact I know they would because Pip it is a far better defender than LeBron ever dreamed about being. In fact with is shooting intensive as this era is, I am dead sure that if you had Larry Bird or Reggie Miller they would probably be on 73 wind teams and arguably the best shooters of all time over Curry. I would love to see this guys analytics comparing Magic Johnson, Larry Bird or the guy who is scoring record LeBron is going after in Kareem Abdul Jabbar to LeBron just to show you how insignificant he really is. Nobody has ever had it as easy as LeBron ever has.
Beating the juggernaut once or being the juggernaut every year after year. Says alot.
And then doing it again, year after year after year. :)
Yeah that was hard 💪🏽🤌🏽
actually Jordan was good at assists, he was 4th overall for all shooting gaurds. He also played point guard for 24 games and he averaged: 30.4 points, 10.7 assists, 9.2 rebounds, and 2.4 steals. Compare that to Magic Johnson's career averages: 19.5 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 11.2 assists and 1.9 steals, Meaning Jordan got 2 more rebounds a game, a half a steal more per game, and only a half an assist less with 11 more points per game. All this at a position he was not as familiar with.
something to consider about this comparison. the uploader included longevity so jordan wouldn't win every criteria.
longevity isn't solely dependent on skill, it's also about being lucky not to get seriously injured and staying disciplined with the fundamentals.
Longevity is just about who takes more time off and medical tech tbh. Not even skill
@@ChrisCanHoop Facts. If every player could afford $1 mil/yr on their bodies, play with 2 other Allstars, and load manage like he has we'd see a lot of longevity records broken. Speaking of Load Managing. Not counting this 19th yr, Lebron has been off an average of 9 games per season. That's a total of 162 games over the past 18 seasons. That is equivalent to TWO FULL SEASON off, mostly due to load managing, as he's only had one injury (first season with Lakers) during this time frame.
Longevity that should be an asterisk 4 MJ. He did play 4 with UNC and won a NCAA title. Which LJ does not have.
@@marcodraven9778 Longevity shouldn't be a thing at all. Everyone's carreer cant be 20 years.
4th all time in assists. That's incredible considering how much he was relied on to score
You're comparing an ounce of silver to an ounce of gold. MJ's achievements overshadows Lb.
Love when Jordan haters make ridiculous excuses. MJ is and always will be the goat 🐐!
also, its ok to think that Lebron has gotten to a Jordan level, it just means that you never got to see Jordan. there is enough Jordan on youtube for everyone to see the GOAT now, there wasn't nearly half as much of this 10 years ago, so thank everyone for getting the Jordan stuff out there. 100 years from now, Jordan is still what anyone will be talking about from the previous 100 years....worthy
Being a fan of a top 10 Point Guard should never get roasted. Arguably top 5.
Exactly! Nash and CP3 are in my top 5 guards all time
I used to not have Wilt in my top 5 because I don't think he had a lot of big man competition back then, and the average team scoring was as high as it is now. But I have to give him some credit because he had a lot of skill after watching the little film I could find. He had a high vert for a guy his size. I think he was the only person to block the sky hook more than once. He actually had a good mid-range game. He was very athletic for a big man. He used to run track and field. I don't think he would have scored 100 points had he joined the league 10 years later, but I think he would have been a great big man due to his level of skill. He might have been more comparable to Kareem if his career started a little later
I agree. But also still not top 10 for me. If he played in a more comp era, he definitley not getting more than 50 in a game tbh.
Jordan hit him with the Michael Jordan not the Ja Morant.
when i saw kuzma literally pushed lbj just to guard someone... i was like... and you compare this guy to black jesus?!
Black Jesus is referring to MJ
There's a reason why WE ALL SAY that Brady is the Michael Jordan of football, or Tiger Woods is the Michael Jordan of golf
People need to get off the assists thing with Jordan. Jordan was an elite passer, the difference between Jordan and Lebron or Bird is that Jordan was the finisher and he most often passed to get himself open so he got the ball back - no assist. Lebron is almost never the best finisher on teams he played on so he gets assists instead of buckets. Bird played with McHale, Parish and Walton - who could all finish as well or almost as well as he could so he racked up a lot of assists.
"If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game I'd choose Michael Jordan; If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life...I'd take Larry Bird." - Pat Riley
What larry bird gotta do with Jordan v LeBron?
Larry bird is Top 10 for sure ALL TIME, but he isn't a top 5 Shooter sorry not sorry but numbers don't lie
@@ChrisCanHoop I'm sorry, first amendment?
With an abundance of MJ documentaries, Personal testimonials, videos, and social media platforms available, I respect
Love the video. Awesome. If you haven't seen them, check out 'Michael Jordan's Best Rare Video Ever' or 'Michael Jordan Best Passing Highlights' Between those, his defensive highlights or even 'Michael Jordan's Historic Bulls Mixtape', no one can watch those videos after watching 'LeBron James Ultimate Career Mixtape', and (then say with a straight face) that LeBron James is better at dunking, scoring, passing, blocking, stealing, overall defending, or that he jumps higher, is a better ball handler, has better footwork, is better at misdirecting fakes, etc. The only people who can say that are the LeBron fanboys who see the red apple but insist it's actually blue. Most of them refuse to watch MJ highlights because deep down, they know. They'd rather act like children, use their fingers to plug their ears and say 'la-la-la I'm not listening la-la-la'. LeBron will pass Kareem as #1 on the all-time points leader, and he'll do it in fewer games than Kareem did. But he'll also pass Kareem as #1 all-time in Missed Shots... and he'll do that in fewer games too. Hell, a player who averages just '3' ppg can eventually become the #1 all-time leading scorer. They might have to play 200 seasons, but anyone can get there if they play long enough (see: LeBron James).
fuckin ayes man.
Kobe is the all time leader in missed shots.
@@w.davidholland7228 not by much. LeBron is 4th in missed shots, but LeBron's only a season and a half or so behind Kobe in missed shots. LeBron's already the all-time leader in turnovers tho.
Gonna be Westbrook pretty soon
Im from the Philippines but Honestly jordan era is different from today.. boxing and online games is the trend now.. forgot the mma also just my opinion..
Great reaction and observations bro💯
Glad you enjoyed THANKS
I didnt know that advanced or pure stats. But watching the games... Man, MJ 's games were OUT OF THISWORLD. James games- just few of them are great, and others- there are at least 10 players who have such an effort+result consistantly. He is NEVER EVEN CLOSE to g.O.a.T. NEVER EVEN CLOSE.
And also Chicago built thru the draft. LeFlop takes people on vacation, convinces stars to leave there team before there contract is up and forms a super team...... Smh. I'm not a Jordan fan but I know he's better
Speaking of Turnovers, Lebrick has the most of any player in ABA and NBA history. ua-cam.com/video/pxsDBOCOohE/v-deo.html&t He was asked to score that's what he did, when he was asked to be the point and pass more the vid is what happens. He would have been the greatest or close to it with whatever he was asked to do. His first few years people were worried about his jump shot, as it wasn't very good, he worked on it until he became the best mid range shooter ever. www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29035071/why-michael-jordan-scoring-prowess-touched
You have no clue if you dismiss russell and ESPECIALLY wilt. You place kareem over them, but he played in their era? lol
People question who's the best because it's human nature to want to see the best ever in person, not some guy from 20-30-40 years ago.
As great a basketball player as Lebron is, I still think he’s one of the most overrated players of all time 🤷♂️
I think the Mainztream media pushed for an argument more than fans actually thought there was argument at all.
@@ChrisCanHoop I ain't even got a problem with Bron number 2 or in somebody's top 5 etc. Alot of people say Bird is the best small forward. I'm a Bird fan but to keep it real Bron has had a better career. 7 years ago Bird had a good argument.
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MJ is the GOAT there is no 1a.
I like what you said at the end Lavine does have a similar style to Mike.
They really do except when it comes to Zach Lavine or Demar Derozan, I'm still taking Jordan in ters of 3 pt shots
Lavines Game is Beautiful .Imagine MJ...Basically Lavine And Better Mix With Leonard..Kobe/ Garnett..Mj just THE one with That Title..
He has the athletic style, but derozan and anthont edwards play more like Jordan
All I gotta say is...I...I...I saw a 34 year old Jason Terry outplay the frozen one. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I think he's still frozen back in 2011.
You nail it with the, " because of when they played" . i don't like taking away achievements from those players but facts are facts. Bill Russell played when there was only 9 teams in the league and only a couple rounds of playoffs lol Some players ( if you look up information on this) showed they didn't have enough players and people like construction or other jobs would fill in teams back in the day. Wilt?? Wilt only had to deal with initially Bill Russell and George Mikan (Russell was only 6'9) There were NO 7ft monsters and then Kareem came in but still, just those three guys. Imagine if wilt had to deal with Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, yao ming, i mean the list goes on and they all were over 7ft. How would he defend and stop Shaq backing in with 350 lbs ? he wouldn't. Wilt and Russell , those two (before Kareem and if you watch the old videos all over UA-cam) wilt looked like a GIANT compared to the other players. Would wilt score a 100pts in Jordan's generation? HELL NO NOT EVEN CLOSE. Kareem was great but can you imagine him playing against all those centers i just mentioned. Would HE have had the same stats? NO he wouldn't. Lebron, playing in Jordan's physical generation of basketball, would he put up the same stats as he does now in a soft league and where if you sneeze its a foul? NO he wouldn't. BUT, if you put Jordan in current times, we all know what would happen. I don't mean to sound harsh, i just deal with facts over emotions and opinions.
Its all facts! No lies 💪🏽
LeBron and Wade stayed in the back court and got many many cherry picking points in Miami. The Prime.
26:02 MJ’s three point shooting was Average, his assists was above average….you only hear fans say that nonsense, the sports analysts and reporters know better.
5:10. Horry got 7 rings, but no league MVPs, Finals MVPs, all star games, or Olympics. Not the GOAT lol.
However, when it comes to winning, he’s arguably more valuable than an all star like Westbrook. It’s crazy but true. Horry was a great role player.
True
I’m not a LeBron hater at all, I am a diehard Laker fan and I was very happy when LeBron came to the team. I have a LeBron Lakers jersey and a Lakers 2020 championship hoodie that I proudly wear that LeBron is responsible for, so no I’m not someone that is biased at all but while I agree, LeBron is one of the grades and should be in everybody’s top 10 I will never agree with someone saying he’s the goat. Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time. My favorite player of all time is Kobe Bryant. I would love to be able to make the argument that Kobe is the greatest player that ever lived, but I can’t do that. For me it’s Michael Jordan at number one and Kobe Bryant had number two.
I'm pretty sure you can mix the audio of the video as well as your own so that they're kind of equal, so you don't have to turn it all the way up just to hear the video but then you have your comments coming in at 1000% volume.
Look at Jordan last 25 games of the 89 season and tell me Jordan couldn't pass.
Nobody said he couldn't
According to the video hes 4th all time in assists per game among SGs...he can clearly pass
Um, two steps called a travel IS the rule and has always been. It's not our fault if the refs fail to call it anymore.
Actually its 3 with a gather step. Sooooo
@@ChrisCanHoop You are partly right, but the rulebook states these things on traveling. Once a pivot foot is established, if you pick it up, it is considered one step. Your next move after that must be a pass or shot attempt. Essentially, it is 1 1/2 steps. Anything beyond that is (or was) called traveling. Announcer Chich Hearn called it "taking a bunny hop through the pea patch." The exception to this is catching the ball while running. Once caught, you have two steps to establish a pivot foot, or to pass and shoot. the same 1 1/2 step rule applies. If you seek to pass or shoot while on the fly, you, at that point, have 3 1/2 steps.
You just proved my point.
@@ChrisCanHoop Well, it's the catching the ball on the fly part where things get sketchy on whether or not to blow the whistle. If you are a good player, you can greatly take advantage of that and pull off some highlight reel stuff. However, in my day, they were tighter on traveling. Nowadays, a travel call is like sighting a unicorn. I've watched some shots were I guy clearly takes five or six steps, and I think, "Um, Mr. Ref, that thing in your hand is called a whistle. You're supposed to blow it on infractions as well as fouls? Right?" (Hey, to be fair, I've seen a Larry Bird highlight were her posterize dunked a center, and it was clear he took about five steps and should have been called!)
@@paladin313 That first part is what I meant thanks lol
I am horrible at explaining things lol
One other thing that isn’t even mentioned in this video is the difference of the eastern conference between the 90s and the time that LeBron played in it. Dwight Howard and the Orlando Magic were not anywhere near as hard to get through as the 1980s Boston Celtics, the bad boy, pistons, Reggie Miller and the Pacers, don’t listen to Gilbert Arenas. He has a biased or he’s flat out being paid like everyone else to say that the 90s were soft. also they never once touching the video about the amount of All-Star and Hall of Fame help that LeBron had versus the amount of help that Jordan had. So he did a good job with proving that Michael was the goat without even bringing up those two things.
Michael to Leflop. . .As long as i'm MJ you will have to live in my shadow.
Thank you, most won't even mention this fact. The All Stars on those teams. I always believed the reason for his being there were due to the planned meet up (Miami), Cleveland's draft situation (James included= 4 #1picks, although they shipped Wiggins before season started), planned meet up with AD in LA.
Draft Michael because he can win with pieces he didn’t have a say in.
And another thing about players from the old you never would have seen one of them flop.
In my opinion anybody that flops as flagrantly as they do nowadays should automatically be disqualified from any goat conversation
Taking a charge is a legal flop. Irrelevant point.
Wilt and Russell played in a league that had 8 to 10 teams, jordan played in a league with 28 or 29 teams
MJ Is the most complete player of all time and the Most Atheltic. LBJ isnt even my top 5 really great best of this era But Bird, Magic And His Airiness are Obviously better. Not as limited as LBJ
True BUT MJ is also the GREATEST based of accolades, wins, and feats.
I'd argue Wilt was very slightly more athletic than MJ or at least his equal
Wilt is overrated. Only reason we think he is athletic is bc rumors with no footsge and bc he played in the 60s.
@@ChrisCanHoop sorry man you’ll need to do better than “Wilts athleticism are rumours because you said so” yes he’s overrated if anyone has him top 3 all time, but Wilt is top 5-6 in any serious list
@@bobbyd1632 No he wasn't. He was bigger, stronger, but not as athletic as Jordan.
Great video bro.
Glad you enjoyed
Jordan would eat prime labron mentally,you cannot intimidate Jordan easily on the court,and i will never chose floper fish labron over black mamba.😂
Bill, wilt and Lebron not on my mount Rushmore. Awesome video with nothing but facts. MJ is simply the Goat. :) and this was never a debate for me. I've watched both them play in their prime. Lebron not on MJs level. no one is. Good reaction bud. Glad to see young dudes learning and knowing about MJ.
Wilt imo is overrated. Just a tall athletic guy playing in the weakest era of all time. Nun special. I could go to the 60s and score tons since I'm more skilled than a 60s player. Bill got 11 rings but thats all i count for him since there were like 10 teams.
@@ChrisCanHoop exactly...good players for that time. But no talent to challenge them. So I dont have them so high as some fans do. But I appreciate them. :)
I appreciate what they did in pioneering a style of athletic big man, but in a bigger picture view they barely top 20 to me
Labumme wouldn't have any rings without multiple hall of famers on his team 😂😂 that boy had bosh, wade, Allen 🤣🤣🤣 . And the east was absolutely trash and he still got swept not once but twice, than only won 2 games out of 4 finals appearances thats just the start of the clear evidence that the era labumme is playing in could never match up to the 90s80s era. Jordan never got swept in the finals, never seen 7games and Jordan had many things against him yet he came back and dominated no one ever did that in sports history once he came back all the greats went back to losing. Keep telling facts young man, at this age of labumme Jordan was winning another ring. The nba makes a stupid lame system called playIn to get trash teams in the playoffs wtf 😒 😂😂 an NBA era that has no hand checks,can't be physical bro we all seen labumme flop on the ground after some elbow air breeze past his fragile body and acting like he was hurt bro the camera in slow motion showed nobody touched him .. 😂 U mean to tell me labumme got AD, Westbrook,Melo and Howard 4 future hall of famers and can't make the playoffs or be over .500 or make that BS playin 🤣🤣🤣 Jordan has never lost in a big game.. and changed it forever. Had the events that took place that took sir airness away from the nba not happened 8rings and that's a fact. Jordan dunked on everyone in his era and made them all look like YMCA ballers 😂😂😂 I don't see anything in the nba that can do what he did zero add all these Bums up and you still won't get a man like Jordan . I told labumme fans to sftu about that goat talk when that trash bag got swept the 1st time. No other players from the goats had that happen 😂😂 6ft6 and will take u to the post and rack up 25pts off that alone the man had no weaknesses. Find one and we will all be surprised, nick wright we all know that's labummes--- fan boy analyst 😂😂 zero facts yet his kids will be rocking Jordans 😂 and don't labumme wear number 23 😂😂
It's not really fair to say that players in the 60's couldn't dribble. They weren't allowed to dribble like modern players. Modern play with old-school officiating would mean constant whistles. Of course you can do fancier moves if the refs just don't call that stuff anymore.
They actually couldn't. It was all considered a carry by the older rules bro
And they can't dribble lol they still don't have handles
Somebody please show this to Shannon sharp and Nick Wright, and Colin cowherd. Then show them the rare mistake please. I would pay to see their reaction. Somebody please.
28:57 How is Dwain Wade getting the second spot in blocks here? That’s amazing for his size!
NCAA championship, 2 time ncaa player of the year, NBA rookie of the year, 6- 0 in finals championships w/ 2- three peats in 8 yrs. and only reason it wasn't 8 in a row,he played baseball 1 yr 1/2, never had to play a game 7, 6- Finals MVP, 5- regular season MVP, defensive player of the year titles, 10- scoring titles, 3- steal titles, rookie year all star invite, 3- ALL star MVP, 2- slam dunk titles, 2- olympic gold medals championships, hardest worker in the game, no weaknesses, most clutch and buzzer beaters when games on the line, etc,etc,etc...all what lebron wishes he'll be when he grows up. LeBron's been in twice as long as Jordan and still hasn't come close to his accomplishments....the dude was a cheat code and would average 40 in today's watered down version of NBA ....what is the debate
Exactly!
This Debate needs to stop if it doesn't prove it from last weekend all-star game Mj had the biggest ovation in Cleveland where he torched them for years Lebron helped win them a championship in 52 years and mj has the loudest cheers mj has that Ora about him and lebron doesn't and and Lebron is Great .
Since you brought up bird vs durant.
Outside ppg bird is better in every other category. Lets also take into account larry player half his career with a broken back. Yet he was only 3 ppg below durant because he was unselfish and a team player.
Bro I know I'm late on the comment but I just want to say when it comes to the times that players played and achieved greatness is all relative you can't discount their achievements because their opponents weren't the professionals of today
Chamberlain weren't a NBA pro of today growing up with today's facilities etc they too were as their competitors regular but gifted at basketball better than the rest if you don't get that then it only means I haven't articulated well enough
But I loved the reaction 👊
The difference between MJ/Lebron is that MJ.never took a play off on offense or defense.Lebron not only take plays off but he uses load Management.I never seen a real Goat take plays off.and MJ never took a play off.
When you are six foot six and have forty eight inch vertical you can just LEAP into the lane and figure out what you're going to do when you get UP THERE!!!
Thank you about Wilt & Russell! HAKEEM BABY! Most underrated player in NBA history!
MJ IS the GOAT I don't understand the debate at all Kobe is even better then JAMES.
Jordan >>>>>>>
ofcourse lebron got longevity.. he takes plays and entire games off.. ridiculous.. no ATHLETE in ANY sport can be considered the GOAT with that lack of dedication and urgency..
LeBron wasn't always like that
@@ChrisCanHoop and yet players before and even now (giannis) are NEVER like that.. there was a player in the NFL that cut off his finger so he wouldnt miss a game.. dedication..
Jordan clearly is the GOAT