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  • ESPN MLB Insider Jeff Passan and Rich Eisen discuss how soon fans and players can expect a balls & strikes challenge system to arrive in the Major Leagues to hold umpires like the notorious Angel Hernandez more accountable.
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  • @jamesfink1871
    @jamesfink1871 14 днів тому +735

    We need a South Park episode with Angel Hernandez

    • @michaelcintron3208
      @michaelcintron3208 14 днів тому +29

      Oh god this is perfect

    • @williamgullett5911
      @williamgullett5911 14 днів тому +14

      Great idea

    • @MenverMan
      @MenverMan 14 днів тому +24

      He doesn't have tegrity

    • @jasonfullerton7763
      @jasonfullerton7763 13 днів тому +13

      ​@@MenverManOr maybe he has a little too much tegrity right before the games.

    • @laudanum669
      @laudanum669 13 днів тому +12

      @@MenverMan He doesn't have tegrity, but you must "Respect his authority"!

  • @nick81885
    @nick81885 14 днів тому +297

    The fact that we even know an umpire's name is a problem already.

    • @Stormsfury777
      @Stormsfury777 14 днів тому +12

      The only good ump I know that did great was Pat Hoberg from the World Series Perfect Game 100% Balls/Strikes correctly called

    • @DisAccountizaMiracle
      @DisAccountizaMiracle 11 днів тому +2

      Exactly. Amazing umps should be ghosts to the avg fan. Although I did like them releasing the perfect game by an umpire Pat Hoberg. And he did it in the World Series!

    • @tonyjanney1654
      @tonyjanney1654 11 днів тому

      Absolutely right on. Ron Luciano and Cowboy Joe West stopped being umpires and inserted themselves into the game, IMHO to the detriment of the game.
      We fans are not there to watch the umps/refs perform. We are there to see the game played by the players. The umps/refs are there to ensure the rules are followed and the rules are equally enforced.
      When fans know the umpires by name, the ump has done something to distract from the game and call attention to himself. That hurts the game.

    • @user-sv1qv4pq9k
      @user-sv1qv4pq9k 10 днів тому +1

      Actually that's not true. John McSherry, Dutch Reinhardt, Emmitt Ashford and Bruce Fromming were highly respected and names well known by players, broadcasters and fans alike. And Hernandez has done nothing to change people's opinion of him.

    • @PapaEli-pz8ff
      @PapaEli-pz8ff 10 днів тому

      Not always

  • @dardell2001
    @dardell2001 14 днів тому +310

    Angel is doing this on purpose now. He's still pissed that no one wants him in the WS. This is not just incompetence but spite imo

    • @whoisbrucewayne17
      @whoisbrucewayne17 12 днів тому +7

      You're not wrong. He's going to continue being trash until he retires. Which I think is another 3 decades. He's not that old and the umpire association has his back for some weird reason

    • @spitzer1113
      @spitzer1113 12 днів тому +12

      I'm with you. It has to be on purpose at this point. He's doing this to become "infamous" or he is doing it to spite the league over his perceived slights towards him from the MLB.

    • @somejoe7777
      @somejoe7777 12 днів тому +8

      I agree with Jeff Passan that the automated ball/strike system is needed in MLB, whether automatic completely, or challenge-based. However, that is NOT the answer to the Angel Hernandez problem. The answer to deal with someone who has consistently demonstrated over several years that he is bad at his job, it that you fire him and do not allow him to perform poorly at the job anymore. It's beyond a joke at this point. Any of the other 7 billion people in the world, having demonstrated that they're this bad at their job, would have been fired long ago. The "Angel Hernandez problem" actually boils down to the MLBUA failing to do THEIR job.

    • @rehoby
      @rehoby 12 днів тому +4

      I have said the same thing and believe it to be true. If MLB had any guts they'd just fire him. The data supports it.

    • @SUPERBUZZED
      @SUPERBUZZED 11 днів тому

      Anybody who isn't in on our false system/earth knows this is just another staged precursor to robots being the new 'enforcement' to the game and beyond 🤦‍♂.

  • @LetsDIYIt
    @LetsDIYIt 14 днів тому +304

    The mere fact that Angel Hernandez has basically become a household name says it all. An UMPIRE that everyone knows his name......

    • @MrRogers1219
      @MrRogers1219 13 днів тому +11

      Joe West fits into that category as well...

    • @LetsDIYIt
      @LetsDIYIt 13 днів тому +3

      @@MrRogers1219 I'll have to respectfully disagree. Joe West is a generic name that if you say to most casual baseball fans, won't really know. But they ALL know who Angel Hernandez is

    • @MrRogers1219
      @MrRogers1219 13 днів тому +2

      @@LetsDIYItMaybe Joe West wasn't a household name, but "Cowboy Joe" did things to make himself more of a personality than he should have been...

    • @LetsDIYIt
      @LetsDIYIt 13 днів тому +1

      ​@@MrRogers1219 I won't disagree with that. His level of incompetence isn't on the same level as Angel's, and likely the reason he is not as well known. The die hard baseball fans know West's name, but not most of the casual ones (I believe)

    • @MrRogers1219
      @MrRogers1219 13 днів тому

      @@LetsDIYItfair point.

  • @bobcarp1239
    @bobcarp1239 15 днів тому +211

    “A lot of jazz cats are blind, but they can play the piano like nobody's business. I'd like to put a piano in front of Angel Hernandez and see what happens.” - Creed Bratton

    • @jimstephens7518
      @jimstephens7518 14 днів тому

      @bobcarp1239 A. Hernandez would outplay Art Tatum.

    • @NomahLovesYah
      @NomahLovesYah 14 днів тому +6

      But just to be clear….You do NOT want to see him topless, right? 😂😂😂

    • @jasonciraolo47
      @jasonciraolo47 13 днів тому +2

      ​@@NomahLovesYahtapas swiss miss

    • @tayloranderson254
      @tayloranderson254 13 днів тому

      Man that’s a good quote 😂😂😂

    • @stevencooke6451
      @stevencooke6451 10 днів тому

      He would call "strike".

  • @mariogutierrez6960
    @mariogutierrez6960 15 днів тому +945

    Angel Hernandez must have Polaroids of the MLB commish’s wife doing ungodly acts

    • @Kingofthepirates-si1gd
      @Kingofthepirates-si1gd 15 днів тому +41

      Or….and hear me out…..he’s in a union. MLB squashed ump pay and union got them permanent jobs instead

    • @cheechdubinsky6709
      @cheechdubinsky6709 14 днів тому

      Commie union

    • @elasmojones
      @elasmojones 14 днів тому +33

      I like the ungodly acts things better

    • @JoseRodrigues016
      @JoseRodrigues016 14 днів тому +14

      @@Kingofthepirates-si1gd or... they don't want to outcast umpires, regardless of how bad they are, because you'll open pandora's box. Once you kick one out, fans will find very quickly their next target. After all, refereeing in major sports is horrible in general.

    • @gunwrencher1566
      @gunwrencher1566 14 днів тому +1

      I think it's the Commish doing things.

  • @theGentlemanCaller73
    @theGentlemanCaller73 13 днів тому +49

    One of the craziest things I've ever heard was "interpretation of the strike zone," as if it were a piece of art.

  • @user-ou3dm6th3x
    @user-ou3dm6th3x 13 днів тому +78

    He was behind the plate tonight in the Milwaukee game. He called a balk on Wade Miley on a pick off attempt to 1st. Miley is a lefty, so there was no way he could determine Miley balked. The 1st base umpire was is perfect position to call a possible balk, he didn’t because there was no balk. Hernandez continues to show he doesn’t belong in the major leagues.

  • @ThePaleoJunkie
    @ThePaleoJunkie 15 днів тому +212

    I wish they talked more about the Angel problem, and not just the strike zone problem.

    • @worthplayingfor2197
      @worthplayingfor2197 14 днів тому +10

      yea he has more issues than just the zone

    • @crocodile1313
      @crocodile1313 14 днів тому +12

      Yep, funny isn't it. It kind of feels like even journalists don't want to address the problem with horrible officials like Hernandez and some of the absurd officiating in the NFL.

    • @thefourhorsemen91
      @thefourhorsemen91 14 днів тому +4

      And why does that guy look like an AI Ronald Reagan?

    • @Jitterzz
      @Jitterzz 14 днів тому +8

      Well you can tell Passan just didn’t want to actually answer the question. He either got scared or is getting paid to not have an opinion.

  • @codypagels1598
    @codypagels1598 14 днів тому +52

    He alleged racial discrimination as the reason why he wasn’t getting selected to officiate playoff games, and in the official hearing MLB made statement that basically said “Nah, you just suck at what you do”. Knowing that his suckitude is forever a matter of public record is pretty funny.

    • @lordrayden3045
      @lordrayden3045 14 днів тому

      And that decisions held

    • @jamesknapp64
      @jamesknapp64 9 днів тому

      And the judge was like "yeah he isn't good enough to ump playoffs"

    • @scotttild
      @scotttild 9 днів тому

      Now it’s all out of spite because he lost that case.

  • @user-qe7fx3es1m
    @user-qe7fx3es1m 15 днів тому +183

    Everyone is being way too mean to angel hernandez, he’s an inspiration to blind people everywhere that they too can be an MLB umpire😂

    • @dfloriza
      @dfloriza 12 днів тому +2

      He might offend some blind people, honestly

    • @glasshalffull2930
      @glasshalffull2930 12 днів тому +1

      OMG!!! Great one! Thank you for some needed comic relief 🥲

  • @MrEsMysteriesMagicks
    @MrEsMysteriesMagicks 13 днів тому +72

    Angel Hernandez serves an incredibly useful function for MLB. He's made us forget C. B. Bucknor. Let's give him credit where credit is due.

    • @scottyjbd
      @scottyjbd 12 днів тому +1

      It was only 5 years or so ago that I first heard of Angel Hernandez, so there’s plenty of room and time for others to float to the surface

    • @MrEsMysteriesMagicks
      @MrEsMysteriesMagicks 12 днів тому +3

      @@scottyjbd C.B. Bucknor was voted worst umpire by MLB players two years in a row around 2006-7. He surfaced awhile ago and he's still around.

    • @KOHF34
      @KOHF34 12 днів тому

      C.B. has actually had some quality games as of late. His recent one with the Twins/Tigers had 96% of the balls and strikes called correctly, and those he missed were actually fairly borderline.

    • @senorpepper3405
      @senorpepper3405 11 днів тому +2

      Joe west?

    • @lindsayseal8504
      @lindsayseal8504 11 днів тому +1

      Toronto had Hernandez for the last game of their opening road trip and returned home and got Bucknor the very next day. If that doesn't throw your perception of the strike zone off nothing will.

  • @Noledad77
    @Noledad77 15 днів тому +322

    They haven't gotten rid of Angel Hernandez because they don't WANT to get rid of Angel Hernandez. If they did, they'd have to look at CB Bucknor and a handful of others as well. They don't want the backlash from the umpire's union, so they look the other way.

    • @jodosh
      @jodosh 15 днів тому +13

      This is the real answer. As bad as Hernandez is (incredibly), he occationasially is a VERY good umpire out in the field. I dont recall ever thinking CB was doing a good job.

    • @purtis99
      @purtis99 15 днів тому +29

      Bottom 10 rated each year should be given the choice of either the minors of termination..

    • @David-su1rm
      @David-su1rm 15 днів тому +4

      Don’t think umpires can be fired according to union

    • @jdon2638
      @jdon2638 15 днів тому +10

      The better question is whether he deliberately misses calls to get MLB views and ratings. ​@@jodosh

    • @doug4036
      @doug4036 15 днів тому +7

      I think it’s even more nefarious than that. If the fans are screaming and yelling at bad umps the heat is off of the MLB front office for their own horrible management of the game.

  • @fademejake
    @fademejake 15 днів тому +223

    I fully expect Hernandez to award a batter two free throws due to the catcher having a skate in the crease at some point this season.

    • @sandmanlogan5ran149
      @sandmanlogan5ran149 15 днів тому +11

      My life would be complete if that happened...

    • @brendonneely9456
      @brendonneely9456 15 днів тому +4

      You mean award the batting team a touchdown followed by the batter getting two free throws.

    • @moose7454
      @moose7454 15 днів тому +4

      Also a 5 yard head start going to first

    • @MapleTreeatdawn
      @MapleTreeatdawn 15 днів тому +3

      Gooooooaaaalllllllll, as he holds up both arms on a ball hit over the fence.

    • @thekingdp
      @thekingdp 14 днів тому +8

      Wait until he throws the flag for boarding. 10 yard penalty, loss of down, faceoff to the neutral zone, automatic balk with a yellow card.

  • @petenojd
    @petenojd 14 днів тому +77

    Passan should be a politician - an absolute masterclass in avoiding the question posed to him.

    • @arsenal-slr9552
      @arsenal-slr9552 13 днів тому +6

      He answered it. Automated strike-zones

    • @user-sc6rz1zm3z
      @user-sc6rz1zm3z 13 днів тому +7

      Yep...Remember he works at ESPN

    • @Mike-gq3sq
      @Mike-gq3sq 13 днів тому +15

      @@arsenal-slr9552 The question wasn't "how do we fix balls and strikes", the question was about Angel Hernandez and Angel screws up everything, not just balls and strikes. Jeff really avoided talking about the union for the most part which is really the core reason Angel still has a job.

    • @JaneSmith0709
      @JaneSmith0709 12 днів тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing! I don't know who this guy is but he's a horrible interviewee!

    • @rydawg7629
      @rydawg7629 12 днів тому +6

      He refused to criticize him. Says a lot.

  • @benmonroe_the_1
    @benmonroe_the_1 13 днів тому +5

    I’m pretty sure that just about every single person who clicked on this vid wanted to hear Jeff tell us how long fans would have to suffer Angel Hernandez continuing to have a job in MLB, not when automated balls-strikes would be implemented.

  • @camschuster5947
    @camschuster5947 15 днів тому +140

    Its going to take both teams to stay in the dugout at start time while he sits at home plate all by himself…

    • @25pinstripes
      @25pinstripes 15 днів тому +22

      Thats....low key genius

    • @vw8886
      @vw8886 15 днів тому +5

      Probably take the fans boycotting.

    • @camschuster5947
      @camschuster5947 15 днів тому +2

      @@25pinstripes 😎

    • @aaronfig26
      @aaronfig26 15 днів тому +8

      this. its gonna take a pitcher refusing to take the mound.

    • @billbeliakoff5589
      @billbeliakoff5589 15 днів тому +5

      It would be interesting to see how MLB would handle that. Two teams forfeiting the same game wouldn't work because of the possibility of it messing up the standings.

  • @michaelconger6420
    @michaelconger6420 15 днів тому +50

    It's bad for baseball when both teams are focused on the fact that Angel is on the umpiring crew. Neither team should have that thought going into a series, or the pre conceived notion that his calls are going to be bad, yet here we are.

    • @lightingbolt8148
      @lightingbolt8148 13 днів тому +1

      Exactly when they know he’s on the crew they dread.

    • @user-bl6ne3hc6n
      @user-bl6ne3hc6n 12 днів тому

      Baseball is almost 200 years old, it's ben that way sence day 1, you always adjust to different umps, how about we swing the pine, and stop looking at a bunch of pitches, if it's close call it, and get this game moving, an ol saying, " Swing the pine Meat,"", ps. Angel has to go,😅😅

    • @adamm2787
      @adamm2787 11 днів тому

      @@user-bl6ne3hc6n Well when the pitch is in the opposite batters box there really isn't much you can do about it.

    • @user-bl6ne3hc6n
      @user-bl6ne3hc6n 11 днів тому +1

      @@adamm2787 move up over the plate and throw your bat at it, 🤣

    • @adamm2787
      @adamm2787 11 днів тому

      @@user-bl6ne3hc6n Yeah because that's how things work.

  • @lelabotoxique
    @lelabotoxique 14 днів тому +13

    Well, they talked about the "strike zone" problem. Didn't talk much about the Angel Hernandez problem though.

  • @RaulieAbreu-xs4kb
    @RaulieAbreu-xs4kb 14 днів тому +11

    Pete Rose got banned but an umpire is throwing balls and strikes and getting away with it ? WTF

    • @jballday3668
      @jballday3668 14 днів тому +1

      Pete rose got banned bc of his own stupidity of gambling on games but with this whole situation with angel Hernandez…well there truly MLB can’t really do anything bc of the whole lawsuit that Hernandez sent

  • @krishisel5316
    @krishisel5316 15 днів тому +29

    Jeff gave Angel a little too much credit at the end there. Remember when he had multiple calls at 1st base overturned in a playoff game. He could get 13 in a row wrong and the 14th would be a good bet.

    • @scotttild
      @scotttild 14 днів тому

      4

    • @mamilx6607
      @mamilx6607 12 днів тому

      I’d love to see that challenge system on ball/strike instituted just to see batters and pitcher continuously embarrassing Hernandez all game.

  • @noelv1976
    @noelv1976 14 днів тому +5

    Knowing Angel Hernandez, he’d still call those pitches a strike no matter how many times he’s been overturned 😂

  • @nathaniellim9928
    @nathaniellim9928 14 днів тому +18

    unpopular suggestion: anytime Angel is behind the plate, the catcher/pitcher and batter should let one thru. Call is getting switched up; call it missing a sign; but twice a game, every game he fucks up, he deserves to get 95+MPH fastball to the chest protector. From BOTH teams

    • @vintvarner16
      @vintvarner16 12 днів тому +5

      I'm not one to violence but one of these days a player is going to lose it and physically and go after Angel, suspension be damned. I can't be in favor of that but I totally understand

  • @capncmbk
    @capncmbk 14 днів тому +8

    I'm just glad there is a forum like this where finally someone is holding umpires accountable. We're tired of the bad calls. We have automation. Let's do automation. Then 100 years from now we can reminisce about how once upon a time we had "umpires" and it was painful.

    • @johnniewalker2447
      @johnniewalker2447 14 днів тому

      What has ruined baseball is the "strike zone" box on TV

    • @apatheticallyconcerned6574
      @apatheticallyconcerned6574 14 днів тому

      No

    • @PatrickStahlitrm
      @PatrickStahlitrm 13 днів тому

      Does the current tech check the full strike zone or just the front of the strike zone? And does it recalculate the height of the strike zone on each pitch?

    • @capncmbk
      @capncmbk 13 днів тому +1

      @@PatrickStahlitrm I'm sure it does in the minors. I don't think it does in the majors on the "rectangle."

  • @richjg3049
    @richjg3049 15 днів тому +85

    Passan refused to answer the question. What a journalist

    • @patjablonski9739
      @patjablonski9739 15 днів тому +7

      Because he's a communist who loves unions. As such, this type of person shouldn't be allowed to cover baseball. Not to mention that automated strike zones are extremely lame.

    • @willch.2259
      @willch.2259 14 днів тому

      ​@@patjablonski9739he's definitely not a communist, what is this, the 60s all of a sudden? Get a grip

    • @whiskeybuddha1995
      @whiskeybuddha1995 14 днів тому +34

      @patjablonski9739 I usually go to Reddit to find mind numbingly stupid comments but I was able to get it right here from you. Thanks for saving me the effort. Lol you called Jeff passan a communist 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

    • @jimdaily737
      @jimdaily737 14 днів тому +20

      Pat jablonski coming in hot with the absolute hottest smooth brain takes

    • @mightya
      @mightya 14 днів тому

      @@patjablonski9739As a matter of fact labor unions made this country an economic superpower and solidified the middle class. Communism is the antithesis of unionized labor. Put down your orange kool-aid.

  • @bshaker1188
    @bshaker1188 15 днів тому +135

    It’s a total union thing. Angel’s been around too long unfortunately to get fired over performance. MLB should be pushing for him to take his retirement as soon as possible, in fact every umpire should have to retire at 60. That should be included in the next collective bargaining agreement.

    • @vw8886
      @vw8886 15 днів тому +8

      There still has to be a baseline/bottom-line for performance.

    • @ronpeacock9939
      @ronpeacock9939 15 днів тому +7

      If they did.. the umpiring would get worse.. too many are already over that age... Somebody brought that up with my HS association... that coach got informed that if they did that, they'd have about 1/10th of the number of umpires left.. and they are already short handed... MLB should get a bookie to claim under oath that he's paying Angel to shave points.... then they could just lifetime Ban him like they did Rose and Jackson.

    • @mc76
      @mc76 15 днів тому +11

      A union's job is to represent its members. If Manfred and his minions had any balls, they would take on the union--and they would win. But they don't have the stomach for it.

    • @Real28
      @Real28 15 днів тому

      This. I've worked in Unions when I was in my early 20s and I saw guys do things that would get your fired by OSHA, and they WOULD be fired, on the spot, then have their job back within 3 days because "Union"
      Unions now don't do what they're were designed to do. Now they're huge cash cows that promote laziness and shitty workers by allowing employees to get away with murder, so long as you pay your dues.
      Teamsters is one of the worst. Saw all of it first hand.

    • @jimosborne2
      @jimosborne2 15 днів тому +2

      @@mc76 well, the US Supreme Court has a bunch of elderly people ( no union) and both candidates for President are elderly and losing their marbles ( no union) and no one forces lawyers, doctors, accountants, dentists, plumbers or electricians to retire. So it’s not only a union problem. MLB apparently decided it doesn’t want responsibility for monitoring officials.

  • @jeffgaydoscik2504
    @jeffgaydoscik2504 14 днів тому +5

    Every umpire has their own definition of the strike zone and that's the problem. Using the auto system fixes that and will speed the game along.

  • @WikedEvo
    @WikedEvo 14 днів тому +7

    The challenge system in the minors is amazing. I got to see it for the first time this past weekend. Its takes litteral seconds and is up on the screen for all to see. Very close pitches with only 1 that got upheld.

    • @jameskeller4297
      @jameskeller4297 12 днів тому

      The challenge system is silly. Since the automated call takes precedence just use the automated call in the first place.

    • @clarkgimenez9576
      @clarkgimenez9576 12 днів тому

      The challenge system isn’t silly if you want to keep some form of human element in the game.

  • @bradm4493
    @bradm4493 14 днів тому +7

    How can Passan say with such confidence that if the first one was challenged and overturned that Angel Hernandez wouldn’t have called the next two strikes? He’s giving him a lot of credit.

    • @allanbird3725
      @allanbird3725 14 днів тому +1

      Passan's statement lacked any supporting evidence.

    • @jeffreyharris3440
      @jeffreyharris3440 11 днів тому

      According to the AAA rules, teams get three challenges per game. If an Umpire's call is overturned, then the team, then that challenge number doesn't go down.
      If Hernandez gets overturned on the first pitch, then he would look very stupid immediately if he continued to get corrected on every pitch.
      If the missed call was unintentional, then Hernandez would "learn" that that pitch going to that location is a strike or whatever. If feedback is immediate, humans learn better than if the feedback is given potentially hours later.
      If the missed call was intentionally called wrong, then Hernandez would look like a fool repeatedly making the wrong call and the computer telling him he is wrong.
      In any case, the situation is absurd. The umpires themselves should have cleaned house long, long ago. I don't even follow baseball except for occasionally watching Jomboy. I might be able to name seven or eight baseball players in all of MLB. The fact that I know Angel Hernandez's name indicates that something is very, very wrong.

    • @bradm4493
      @bradm4493 11 днів тому

      @@jeffreyharris3440 did you ever see the video of like 5 calls at 1st by Hernandez being challenged and overturned in the same game? I’d have no reason to believe he’d make the adjustment. He’s just lost out there.

    • @jeffreyharris3440
      @jeffreyharris3440 10 днів тому

      @@bradm4493 Thank you. I did not see that video. If that is the case, I'll retract what I said, because clearly Hernandez has serious issues of some sort. He should not be calling games - especially at the highest level. But again, I don't watch games any more, I don't buy tickets, and won't buy merchandise.

    • @bradm4493
      @bradm4493 10 днів тому

      @@jeffreyharris3440don’t get me wrong. I understand your point and the logic. That would make sense for most. He’s just so bad. I mean last year when Schwarber blew a gasket and told him you suck and have been blowing calls high, low, inside, outside and for both teams..that’s as bad as it gets. Schwarber was representing both teams 😂

  • @whimsicalwizardman409
    @whimsicalwizardman409 15 днів тому +14

    It’d be cool to see home plate illuminate if the ball goes over it at all. It may also be more entertaining for the average fan?

    • @Edwardsjm
      @Edwardsjm 15 днів тому +2

      Something similar will be in place by 2026. Ball and strike challenge replay

  • @TheMETSMETS
    @TheMETSMETS 13 днів тому +4

    angel hernandez is the benchmark for bad umpires, he's what other umpires are compared to whenever they make bad calls. he's the micheal jordan, the babe ruth of bad umpires.

  • @kingpiniv
    @kingpiniv 14 днів тому +4

    There are a lot of close calls in baseball games. Angel has a unique talent to always be on the wrong side of every close call. It's a very strange talent.

  • @jackharrist1078
    @jackharrist1078 15 днів тому +230

    The only way I can stay sane watching Angel Hernandez ruin games is by reminding myself that every horrible call he makes gets us closer and closer to robo umps.

    • @athrunzala798
      @athrunzala798 15 днів тому +14

      Saw a joke that he must own stock in the company that makes the robo umps

    • @richiegarcia4
      @richiegarcia4 15 днів тому +6

      I'm against many of recent innovations in baseball, but I can not wait for the robo umps.

    • @rancidcrawfish
      @rancidcrawfish 15 днів тому +8

      All they have to do is get rid of umpires that can't make the right call a % of the time. But instead your nerds want robot umps smh

    • @richiegarcia4
      @richiegarcia4 15 днів тому +1

      @@rancidcrawfish Seems simple enough, but getting rid of umpires is actually very difficult, which is why we still have Angel.

    • @groupersti
      @groupersti 14 днів тому +3

      @@rancidcrawfish Hernandez will be the last umpire standing..He knows it...The more they scream and hollar at him...The more he gets off on it.

  • @greggfrancis6371
    @greggfrancis6371 14 днів тому +6

    I'm a fan of Passan's intellect but he sidestepped the real question of Hernandez's incompetence. Jeff you disappointed me on this one.

    • @BrianLockett
      @BrianLockett 12 днів тому

      Jeff isn't out to step on anyone's toes. He keeps it lighthearted, everywhere he goes. Has no enemies, as a result.

  • @stillsixstudios
    @stillsixstudios 15 днів тому

    Rich brings up such great points. Thanks for addressing this issue,

  • @alexblankenship5630
    @alexblankenship5630 14 днів тому +18

    Angel is the Jim Gaffingan joke where if you ran into him in heaven you would say, ‘you’re here!?’

  • @megapromo3771
    @megapromo3771 15 днів тому +5

    All of my friends including myself refuse to watch any game Angel Hernandez umps.

  • @5100yes
    @5100yes 14 днів тому +4

    If the pitch was outside the country , Angel would call it a strike .

  • @evanmcelfresh3876
    @evanmcelfresh3876 11 днів тому

    I'm just loving the OK Computer album and the NES in the background. I know nothing about Jeff Passan, but I love him already.

  • @BallparkFranks7
    @BallparkFranks7 13 днів тому +1

    He says if the challenge system was in place that Angel would have called the other pitches balls too. I think that’s giving Angel more credit than he deserves. It’s just as likely that he’d have had 3 straight calls overturned.

  • @redhurricane24
    @redhurricane24 14 днів тому +5

    If any one of us were being this horrible at our 9-5 jobs like Angel Hernandez, we'd be riding the unemployment line.

  • @rwmorey71
    @rwmorey71 15 днів тому +25

    How Hernandez is still employed is a mystery.

    • @lender3000
      @lender3000 15 днів тому +10

      Just look at Joe Biden, and that's your answer.

    • @iancampbell4394
      @iancampbell4394 15 днів тому

      @@lender3000 Biden got elected. Hernandez is still there because of unions.

    • @flyjarrett
      @flyjarrett 15 днів тому +12

      Umpires union.

    • @Ski_Unit
      @Ski_Unit 15 днів тому +17

      ​@lender3000 you people are so weird talking about an umpire, and you make it political.

    • @lender3000
      @lender3000 15 днів тому +6

      @@Ski_Unit Oh and the umpire union isn't political and bureaucratic. Ok. Let me send you a lolly pop..

  • @Messy_Jesse
    @Messy_Jesse 14 днів тому +1

    @4:49 Just a box? No Full cube of the irregular pentagon? I used to pitch and aim for the back corners of the plate. If it doesn't get thrown through the box but touches the corner, I wouldn't get the call? Seems like they need to include the entire plate , not just the front 2 corners... Am I wrong?

  • @coreyk5536
    @coreyk5536 14 днів тому +1

    Word is he was staring directly at the eclipse, no protection. On June 8, 1918

  • @nathanakers45
    @nathanakers45 15 днів тому +4

    Seriously, why can't they just they keep him on the payroll and 'promote' him to a desk job? Director of Umpire Accuracy? Executive VP of Ejections? Anything...get creative MLB!

  • @jimbo7300
    @jimbo7300 14 днів тому +1

    Players are going to get concussions with how many times they have to hit their head when Angel is umping and the challenge system is in place.

  • @brandanlbarrios
    @brandanlbarrios 11 днів тому

    Can we talk about how Jeff Passan has an old school NES behind him? I love it.

  • @MotoNomad350
    @MotoNomad350 15 днів тому +54

    Now that “Country” Joe West retired, the title of “worst MLB umpire” has passed to Angel Hernandez and he’s leaning into the role.

    • @maxdubs2241
      @maxdubs2241 15 днів тому +8

      Laz Diaz is pretty bad too he should be in the conversation

    • @chickenfkeryay
      @chickenfkeryay 15 днів тому +4

      Cb bucknor and his crew mate jeff nelson 👎

    • @shawnuel
      @shawnuel 15 днів тому +2

      @@maxdubs2241 CB Bucknor was rated the worst last season. He and Angel have been the worst for a while, now. West never got below 4th worst, IMO.

    • @tmlms1313
      @tmlms1313 15 днів тому +3

      To be fair to Joe, when he was young he was actually one of the best B/S umpires in MLB. He just stuck around way too long.

    • @auscolpyrtosspott9175
      @auscolpyrtosspott9175 15 днів тому

      CB. CB, no worse umpire

  • @Mathuews1
    @Mathuews1 15 днів тому +7

    Be careful or Angel will sue you like he sues the MLB

    • @kennyg1358
      @kennyg1358 15 днів тому +1

      I can't believe there hasn't been a sports betting class action.

  • @camoveteran2219
    @camoveteran2219 12 днів тому

    "His cutter is magical." I love Jeff. He's an absolute legend.

  • @briansonnenfelt7125
    @briansonnenfelt7125 15 днів тому

    I was at a MILB game yesterday and there was five or six challenges. One was verified correct, the others were overturned. The thing is all were close, and they only took 15 or so seconds.

  • @mymodely7755
    @mymodely7755 15 днів тому +28

    The simple answer is unions don’t allow you to fire bad employees, and it happens in all kinds of industries.

    • @litedawg
      @litedawg 15 днів тому +4

      Yes , sure does. My last union job had to bring back a guy that was in jail for 6 weeks waiting on bond for domestic violence, gun possession and drug charges. Due to the union rules he had to be allowed back to work. His arrest was on the local news it was so bad.

    • @whiskeybuddha1995
      @whiskeybuddha1995 14 днів тому

      I think you’re mixing up local news for national news. Local news isn’t a big deal lol

    • @litedawg
      @litedawg 14 днів тому +1

      @@whiskeybuddha1995 in Atlanta , a city of 7 million people, yeah it’s a big deal. That’s what happened .

    • @litedawg
      @litedawg 14 днів тому +1

      @@whiskeybuddha1995 also do you want to work with a meth head that beat up his pregnant wife and put her in the hospital and then pulled a gun on the cops? Because we didn’t and it made our company look terrible.

    • @Fractured_Unity
      @Fractured_Unity 14 днів тому +2

      Unions are necessary to protect workers, but the workers must protect themselves from poor workers that hurt the union’s position to work effectively and collectively bargain

  • @bringndaruckus6956
    @bringndaruckus6956 15 днів тому +8

    John Fisher of the Oakland Athletics. Is the Angel Hernandez of owners.

  • @roberthudson1959
    @roberthudson1959 14 днів тому

    The automated systems seem to have a problem establishing the top of a hitter's strike zone.They don't adjust quickly enough when the batter moves into a hitting stance.

  • @spsawyer22
    @spsawyer22 13 днів тому +1

    Rich and Jomboy need to have an Angel Hernandez podcast episode

  • @prep1989
    @prep1989 15 днів тому +2

    MLB gets money from sports betting. I'm not sure how they can ask people to take this seriously when they fail to address issues like this that make the quality of the game and outcomes in question. People are betting money on games and these egregious errors make it look like the mlb doesn't care enough to put the best product on the field

  • @FoolishMortal6121
    @FoolishMortal6121 15 днів тому +4

    One word: UNIONS

    • @25pinstripes
      @25pinstripes 15 днів тому

      Three letters DEI

    • @BrianLockett
      @BrianLockett 12 днів тому

      ​@@25pinstripesAnd there it is...your racial angst.

  • @lot-a-timers4507
    @lot-a-timers4507 3 дні тому

    I’m curious if the “strike box” takes different sizes with short vs tall batters?

  • @goaliemedic37
    @goaliemedic37 14 днів тому +2

    With the proliferation of gambling, at this point you almost have to ask whether Angel is involved in something to sway the games. I get mistakes, I get being bad, but the number and severity of how bad the calls he makes almost look suspect, almost criminal. I think it's worth seriously asking the question.

  • @aleclawrence3993
    @aleclawrence3993 15 днів тому +4

    Someone tell JP to chill on the facial plastic.

  • @originalrkmorton
    @originalrkmorton 11 днів тому

    Angel is like that one person you know on a social media platform, watching them constantly mess around and leaving you to wonder how they dodge any and all repercussions

  • @moose7454
    @moose7454 15 днів тому +1

    The only update I’d like to see made to the current AAA rules is to give each team an extra challenge per each extra inning

  • @pravleenminhas3594
    @pravleenminhas3594 14 днів тому +1

    Not to mention angel intially called a foul tip when the batter got hit and they tried to challenge and then he changed his mind and said the batter swung when he didn’t and you can’t challenge on check swing calls and a closeup shows he had his eyes closed during that at bat

  • @Rufus6540
    @Rufus6540 9 днів тому

    In "the good old days" they used to say there were strike-ish balls and ball-ish strikes and it was up to the umpire to figure it out. Those days are long past but it's going to be interesting to see how many times calls are challenged and not overturned because there are certainly some instance where pitchers and hitters have gotten it wrong as well. They'll figure it out eventually, of course, but there will certainly be some adjusting.
    Separate thought - can you imagine, once it's in place in majors, game 7 of the WS and the technology goes down? Tech fails at the worst moments (see Com, Pitch) so while it'll be better than what we have now but still be interesting at times!

  • @brickhunter9537
    @brickhunter9537 15 днів тому +2

    It’s kinda crazy, but at this point I won’t be surprised if Hernandez calls a strike out on a batter haven’t stepped in the box and pitcher is doing his warm up pitches.

  • @andrewm6829
    @andrewm6829 14 днів тому

    Does anyone know how the automatic strikezone determines the height of the strikezone? What is the actual measurements for players of different height?

  • @TheOnlyResilientPilot
    @TheOnlyResilientPilot 14 днів тому

    Is the system putting the ball in the zone where it crosses the plate or wear the catcher catches it. A strike is across the plate at certain spots, a curving ball or dropping ball can cross the plate strikenand be caught in ball territory! Of the system shows ball when they caught it ball after it crossed in strike zone then what is it strike or ball?

  • @billpinkerton3218
    @billpinkerton3218 11 днів тому

    Greg Maddox and Tom Glavine got pitches off the strike zone consistently and it drove me nuts. They didn’t need Angel and his mysterious strike zone

  • @smokin19861
    @smokin19861 14 днів тому +1

    I still remember a game last year on ESPN late last season between the Brewers and the Phillies that Angel was the home plate ump. His calls were so bad that game, nobody had a clue what he was going to call. Both teams were so mad at him and I think a player and the coach for the Phillies were ejected.

  • @doris31882
    @doris31882 15 днів тому +1

    In any professions, you’ll get fired or demoted when you continue to underperform.
    It’s not just about Angel Hernandez, it’s about transparency of the system.
    Why don’t they assign umpires based on their performance?
    Is it only union thing or is there other factors?

  • @chrisocony
    @chrisocony 15 днів тому +1

    Re: at the end, except it IS Angel Hernandez so he does not correct himself on the next 2 pitches! But the pitcher does because the review.

  • @edkerry87
    @edkerry87 День тому

    The challenge system is both effective and engaging. It improves the customer experience.

  • @whoisbrucewayne17
    @whoisbrucewayne17 12 днів тому +1

    We still have 3 decades left of Hernandez. Unfortunately. He gets to play the race card to keep his job. It's absolutely absurd.

  • @joecommenter1332
    @joecommenter1332 6 днів тому +1

    Angel Hernandez is helping the robo umpire movement flourish and grow.

  • @user-in7th5uo1m
    @user-in7th5uo1m 13 днів тому

    The most important thing is that the players will know what to expect. No longer having to spend two at bats to figure out what the strike zone is that day.

  • @bcask61
    @bcask61 14 днів тому +2

    Hernandez is just fucking with us at this point.

  • @gocubs1815
    @gocubs1815 14 днів тому

    Tennis has a challenge system for line calls despite having line judges and chair umps. Challenges take maybe 20 seconds and it doesn't impact the pace of play at all

  • @teresamar9262
    @teresamar9262 7 днів тому

    When they first mentioned automating balls and strikes, I was completely against it but now with not just Angel Hernandez but a significant amount of the umps calling pitches wrong I think it would be a good idea.

  • @Johnny-gr2hu
    @Johnny-gr2hu 14 днів тому

    Is the strike zone at triple A similar to the system in tennis?

  • @selw0nk
    @selw0nk 14 днів тому +1

    I like that jeff Passan listens to Rage Against The Machine.

  • @curbside_prophet6457
    @curbside_prophet6457 14 днів тому +2

    Dammit Jeff, stop avoiding the question, “will/could the mlb do anything about terrible umpires, or does performance not matter to the mlb”

  • @user-bc6jd5tq6q
    @user-bc6jd5tq6q 12 днів тому

    I don't know many officials' names across all sports but Angel Hernandez's name is etched into my head. I watched the Cubs game where a wrestler sang take me out to the ball game then said he would have words with the ump and Angel seemed to want to square up with him. That is my first memory of him, but I would continue to hear his name for the next 3 decades and its always for something negative.

  • @ZombieBacon13
    @ZombieBacon13 14 днів тому +2

    I sorta can't blame Angel, he apparently happened to stumble upon the single most stable job on the planet.

  • @samuelconrey7372
    @samuelconrey7372 12 днів тому

    Saw the ball/strike challenge used for the first time at a minor league game last year, and it made my stomach turn. Hope so badly this doesn’t make it to the majors.

  • @ahogg5960
    @ahogg5960 14 днів тому +1

    Rich is totally correct. You can't get perfection but what you can do is remove, what us in Australian cricket call, "the howler"
    The call that gets made that on replay is just obviously wrong. It was the same argument that eventually brought in the Decision Review System (DRS) into cricket where players could challenge calls on the field, but only a certain number of times per innings (the number varied depending on the format played)
    Again, not because we were looking for perfection but because it just looked bad on the world stage when obviously bad decisions stood as the final decision.

    • @otaviofrn_adv
      @otaviofrn_adv 14 днів тому

      yes, and many sports are doing it. in volleyball a team has the right to challenge two calls per set.
      Angel was not umpiring a game in which he interferred directly with the result yet, but other umpires have. Jim Joyce in 2010 made a mistake that costed a perfect game for Armando Gallarraga.
      As said, you cannot get perfection, but you have to remove the more serious mistakes.

  • @jamoe4802
    @jamoe4802 14 днів тому

    We need as close to perfect as possible. We can use machines and automation to help us.

  • @brianford78
    @brianford78 14 днів тому

    rich's sound is so good - that mic must be hella expensive, right kind of wood on the desk, room just right

  • @incredibleadventures1027
    @incredibleadventures1027 9 днів тому

    This increases engagement with MLB. They like having a heel people will tune in for.

  • @trask526
    @trask526 5 днів тому

    I would love to see an AB where the catcher and a batter have a gentleman's agreement before the game that they will honestly call their own balls and strikes and absolutely ignore Angel Hernandez. Literally ignore him. Definitely a risk of suspension for everyone that's involved, but can't think of a better way to protest him as an ump.
    All the better if both teams literally agree to a whole game by gentlemen's rules ignoring him, and even better if there is no press or posturing beforehand. Literally, both teams take the field, and then ignore his existence. He throws a layer out, it gets ignored

  • @TheThisami
    @TheThisami 14 днів тому

    All for improving the ball/strike call issue. But why introduce a challenge system rather than go straight to full automation?

  • @thegamingpigeon3216
    @thegamingpigeon3216 14 днів тому +2

    I think it's partially easy to hold them accountable right now: after every pitch, show the location up on the scoreboard somewhere. I know MLB strongly frowns upon that and might even have it banned but I don't care. Show them. Show them how bad they're fucking up.

  • @markwalker3829
    @markwalker3829 11 днів тому

    No... It has to be the ABS system. It works all on it's own. Take it out of the umpires hands. Plus, no player or manager complaints that lengthen the game.

  • @daniel.c2501
    @daniel.c2501 11 днів тому

    Angel is no doubt one of the finest umpires in the game today he’s just set’s the example for others to follow.

  • @azdbuk
    @azdbuk 13 днів тому

    Some of those pitches crossed in the zone. :)

  • @TheDonkeyJote
    @TheDonkeyJote 14 днів тому

    Challenge System would be an improvement, but I'd just rather see it for every pitch if it's so effective. I don't like gameifying getting the correct calls.

  • @scooterthefrog
    @scooterthefrog 11 днів тому

    Was watching the Jays game the other day and at one point said to my wife, "My god, this ump is awful, not to our team but just in general." Then as if someone at broafcast heard me, the announcemers said the magic words Angel Hernandez. Understanding that I wasn't watching baseball but a stupid rng event i found something else to do.

  • @user-so3xk8qs6t
    @user-so3xk8qs6t 14 днів тому

    I guess one concern is the called ball, but gets overturned as a called strike, but passes the catcher which would have made it possible for the batter to make it safely to first. How will that situation be called?

  • @mexicanprivilege7848
    @mexicanprivilege7848 12 днів тому

    “The umpire's union is typically in charge of punishment for their fellow umpires. Firing an umpire based on nothing but poor performance is nearly impossible”
    This is absolutely insane.

  • @mathewspieker
    @mathewspieker 12 днів тому

    I'd like to hear a genuine argument against taking balls and strikes out of the umpire's hands.

  • @davidnottennant1161
    @davidnottennant1161 12 днів тому

    Rich, Jerome Bettis clearly said "HeadTAILS!" Phil Luckett was in the right! I'm not a Lions fan, just someone that can hear clear audio.