For real, Kenny's approach is so refreshing and so welcomed given just how overwhelming this world can be, especially when there's a lot of content out there that just seems more worried about filling run times than getting into the meat of information.
I was watching an old 4-hour livestream session with you as a guest on Maat Hotep's channel a while back, and I made a wish that you would teach more production stuff on your channel. Super happy to see that my wish is being granted :)
Man, so perfect. I really want to balance this against sounding squished as you said - Stadium Arcadium was such a great example having the perception when the band got dynamically louder they seemed further away. When making something louder with compression, I always try to think about whether the performance stays stationary in my perception, or if it's moving closer and farther away. You do such a great job and have such amazing knowledge. I truly appreciate these videos!
Thanks for this! One thing to note: It CAN be beneficial to be slightly above Spotify's -14 LUFS target just because if your mix is BELOW it even slightly, Spotify will make your mix louder and it'll lower the quality of it. Better to be slightly too loud than slightly too quiet.
Topnotch! Slapped these on to my ongoing mix (drum buss and master), and it just sprang to life, thanks Kenny! 👍 I'd been messing around with other stuff (free or otherwise), and nothing seemed to give a "transparent" feel .. realized I was using these wrong. Probably helped that I had been away from mixing for quite a while, and probably came back with fresh ears.
Streaming services will limit tracks that are softer than their reference so it's better to master louder and not aim for any loudness standard that a streaming service has. If anything, aim for a level that's a little louder.
just choose the loudness that's right for your track, these numbers are just rough guidelines, and totally genre and song dependant. LUFS is also just a certain way of measuring loudness, some tracks will benefit from this, others won't. If your balance is off, your track will sound too quiet or too loud. Learn to use compression, limiting, saturation and clipping in all its forms, and you will have no Problem reaching any loudness target anyways. it's better to be too loud and being turned down, than being too quiet, 'cause you won't get turned up, and if you will, you will get limited by some random limiter you don't know.
The loudness is a big polemic subject. Not only the loud level but the "sound" of the music when pushed loud is what we are used to, so sometimes is ok to push to obtain this "signature sound" even knowing spotify is going to lower it down. Sometimes if you leave the songs at 14 LUFS they don´t sound as loud as the competition. I do not agree the loud war is over. However thumbs up to the video.
Kenny, you mentioned around 8:50 that you were beginning to hear artifacts from the limiter. My ear isn't trained enough to hear what you were hearing yet. I'm curious what you were hearing and what you would suggest I listen for to train my ear to decifer unatural sounding compression. Anyone else also feel free to chime in. I'm happy for any help.
I never knew about the loudness meter or the 1175 compressor in the JS collection. Though I did need to update to Reaper >= 6.30 for the loudness meter. (My laptop only had 6.29 and it left me wondering where to find the meter.)
Great video! I'd love your take on MeterPlugs' DynaMeter and Perception A/B plugins for also helping guide this process. In this case especially Perception A/B to get a better feel for whether the compression on the drums is making it that much louder overall vs it just sounds better because of the amount of makeup gain applied.
So how would you process the mix if you plan to use a service that distributes to all those platforms? Would you shoot got the highest of them or the average of all of them?
I render and email my mixes to myself and right now it's 15.4 LUFS-I and sounds really quiet. If I put it on spotify, youtube, or anything else will it be louder???
Hi friend. Have you done a video on Rea surround pann? If not could you please do 1? I'm a surround sound nurd. I'm learning to use Reaper because I'm taking 2 audio production classes and on PC it's usable by the blind. On Mac if I learned Mac I could use Logyc.
I got a question. Does it matter that the master track was clipping before you were limiting it? Or does it only matter what comes after the limiter? At around 6:45
I need some advice, I tried to make my music on UA-cam louder but I cant. Its loud when I render/bounce it on the DAW but when I upload it on youtube it normalises it and makes it bare quiet, I've heard famous rapper's music and all of their music is loud on UA-cam how the fuck do they do that? Lol
I don't understand. I know how to use compression and limiting, I hit all the numbers, but on my end it just comes out as unwanted saturation. The playback is still nowhere as loud as my reference tracks.
I have a song that I really want to mod into a game as a battle theme but when I put it in it always played like 10x quieter than the rest of the game's music even tried compressing and limiting, even stacking the instrumental's waveform on top but it was just never loud enough. so i'm hoping i can do better than audacity with reaper
Before of watch this tutorial, i saw an other about mastering telling it, that most of platforms have this option to turn off the normalize and hear the original, and the song on the occasion was about - 5 lufs. The only thing that platforms do is turn down the volume to - 14 or whatever if this option of normalize is turn on
Before making that same question, I just wanted to be sure if someone else saw this, drum folder and master track are clipping, shouldn't we try to avoid that? Edit: I have to make a correction to my comment, I think we should try to avoid clipping in drum folder in this video. Clipping in master track is obviously produced by compressor and limiter.
@@Taylor_King In the Reaper Forum somebody suggested me to see this video, it explains the momentary clipping, it does not affect final result: ua-cam.com/video/6vXiIlKCEgQ/v-deo.html
What's sucking for me is there is TOOOOO much in preferences. I'm a musician, and I want to plug and play, this makes things way confusing when I watch a video on how to do something, but if it's a different update, buttons arent there, things arent the same.. WTF
Anyone who thinks the Loudness War is over also believes in Santa Claus. We now have Loudness War 2.0. It's a lot harder to make loud mixes now. Loudness must already be taken into account when mixing and arranging. Pseudodynamic parts are built in and certain frequency ranges (depending on the genre) are lowered. Actually everything has gotten worse.
Yeah, people are now adding low volume sections to songs that fall below the LUFS meter gate in order to get lower integrated LUFS measurements and therefore be played back louder on loudness normalized platforms...
Anything in the monitoring fx won't actually affect the song when you render it, it just changes the way you hear it. It's mostly used for room eq fixes like sonar works
@@badfish41969 well this is a meter plugin and wouldn't affect the sound to begin with.. So I'm wondering if it would be better to just put it in the monitoring fx so that it is always there.
@@christopherheadcase6886 yeah that makes sense, you probably could put it there, I feel like I would put it on the master track after the limiter and multiband that way it registers the changes that those plugins would make
@@AttamanKing Analog pumps too. It depends on how much compression and limiting you are applying. I am a regular user of analog access and I can tell you even gears that cost 5k$ can pump.
@@AttamanKing Yup an analog 1176 pumps like crazy too. Also, some digital compressors are *very* smooth and transparent, or coloured if you want. Check out Unisum or a good budget option, Kotelnikov GE
I'm still looking into this but I really think that Streaming services bring UP the volume even if you upload a file to them at -14 LUFS which would explain why a raw WAV file is lower in volume than streaming services.
I would give anything if I could use Reaper! I love the program. I love Kenny Gioia. However, I cannot for the life of me get rid of recording latency!!!! I have done the loop back test. I have adjusted buffer size. I have prayed and sacrificed all of my pets! I just can't get it to behave!
@@RonnieVaiArovo using a Presonus Audio Box 96 with a pretty decent HP laptop which I have no problems running Studio One 5 with 🤷♂️ Don’t think that’s the issue. I will keep researching. Really want to be able to use it!
The way you talk in segments, almost like lines in a book, makes it so easy for me to absorb the information, thank you!
For real, Kenny's approach is so refreshing and so welcomed given just how overwhelming this world can be, especially when there's a lot of content out there that just seems more worried about filling run times than getting into the meat of information.
I was watching an old 4-hour livestream session with you as a guest on Maat Hotep's channel a while back, and I made a wish that you would teach more production stuff on your channel. Super happy to see that my wish is being granted :)
Ikr? He's so great at it. You never have to worry that you'll get the wrong info here.
The loudness wars are over. Loudness won.
Lol! 👍
Man, so perfect. I really want to balance this against sounding squished as you said - Stadium Arcadium was such a great example having the perception when the band got dynamically louder they seemed further away. When making something louder with compression, I always try to think about whether the performance stays stationary in my perception, or if it's moving closer and farther away. You do such a great job and have such amazing knowledge. I truly appreciate these videos!
Thanks for this! One thing to note: It CAN be beneficial to be slightly above Spotify's -14 LUFS target just because if your mix is BELOW it even slightly, Spotify will make your mix louder and it'll lower the quality of it. Better to be slightly too loud than slightly too quiet.
Nice to know that Reaper have this lufs meter, give thanks Kenny!!!!
It's worth noting that it was added circa 6.30, for those who don't eagerly update.
This couldn't have come at a better time! Thanks for this Kenny!
Topnotch! Slapped these on to my ongoing mix (drum buss and master), and it just sprang to life, thanks Kenny! 👍 I'd been messing around with other stuff (free or otherwise), and nothing seemed to give a "transparent" feel .. realized I was using these wrong. Probably helped that I had been away from mixing for quite a while, and probably came back with fresh ears.
Streaming services will limit tracks that are softer than their reference so it's better to master louder and not aim for any loudness standard that a streaming service has. If anything, aim for a level that's a little louder.
just choose the loudness that's right for your track, these numbers are just rough guidelines, and totally genre and song dependant. LUFS is also just a certain way of measuring loudness, some tracks will benefit from this, others won't. If your balance is off, your track will sound too quiet or too loud. Learn to use compression, limiting, saturation and clipping in all its forms, and you will have no Problem reaching any loudness target anyways. it's better to be too loud and being turned down, than being too quiet, 'cause you won't get turned up, and if you will, you will get limited by some random limiter you don't know.
think i learned this the hard way with my first release
@@BackyardRonin you're very lucky then :)
The loudness is a big polemic subject. Not only the loud level but the "sound" of the music when pushed loud is what we are used to, so sometimes is ok to push to obtain this "signature sound" even knowing spotify is going to lower it down. Sometimes if you leave the songs at 14 LUFS they don´t sound as loud as the competition. I do not agree the loud war is over. However thumbs up to the video.
Another superb video tutorial Kenny - many thanks
wow this is probably the best timing ever
So happy I found your tutorials!
That's amazing, Kenny! Great to-the-point vid.
Thank you SO much for this! For the first time, I managed to get my mixes louder than a whisper without clipping! 😋
Kenny, you mentioned around 8:50 that you were beginning to hear artifacts from the limiter. My ear isn't trained enough to hear what you were hearing yet. I'm curious what you were hearing and what you would suggest I listen for to train my ear to decifer unatural sounding compression. Anyone else also feel free to chime in. I'm happy for any help.
I never knew about the loudness meter or the 1175 compressor in the JS collection. Though I did need to update to Reaper >= 6.30 for the loudness meter. (My laptop only had 6.29 and it left me wondering where to find the meter.)
Wow Kenny, How You can read our minds? 😂
thanks so much. i use this video as a guide regularly, and boy george does it help me out
Thank you so much 👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥 I really need this information... Love it ❤️
10:08 when you are dead inside but still want to master your song so you can get your music on Spotify.
These videos are really worth gold to bedroom producer.
Thanks Kenny great info!
Mr. Gioia delivers once again.
I love your song! How can I get it?
Great video! I'd love your take on MeterPlugs' DynaMeter and Perception A/B plugins for also helping guide this process. In this case especially Perception A/B to get a better feel for whether the compression on the drums is making it that much louder overall vs it just sounds better because of the amount of makeup gain applied.
Thanks for this wealth of knowledge us newbees would have no hope in hell of knowing.
Perfect Master. You are the best.
So how would you process the mix if you plan to use a service that distributes to all those platforms? Would you shoot got the highest of them or the average of all of them?
You did it again Kenny! Another Amazing Video.
Thanx
I render and email my mixes to myself and right now it's 15.4 LUFS-I and sounds really quiet. If I put it on spotify, youtube, or anything else will it be louder???
i got problem with this too
Hi friend. Have you done a video on Rea surround pann? If not could you please do 1? I'm a surround sound nurd. I'm learning to use Reaper because I'm taking 2 audio production classes and on PC it's usable by the blind. On Mac if I learned Mac I could use Logyc.
Amazingly useful. Thanks!
You are absolutely amazing!
I got a question. Does it matter that the master track was clipping before you were limiting it? Or does it only matter what comes after the limiter? At around 6:45
Thx a lot. Very uesefull and perfect explained. Top 👍
The illusion of loudness is what I'm practicing
Man you are just...Superb
I do have a question. If the mix is too loud spotify will bring it down to there requirements but if it's too will they bring it up aswell?
Brilliant simply brillaint work
I wonder how what percentage of Spotify (etc) listeners turn off Audio Normalization?
I need some advice, I tried to make my music on UA-cam louder but I cant. Its loud when I render/bounce it on the DAW but when I upload it on youtube it normalises it and makes it bare quiet, I've heard famous rapper's music and all of their music is loud on UA-cam how the fuck do they do that? Lol
i've got that problem too bro.. sound slower after render in Reaper.
No doubt, you are the master of Reaper. Great!!
Are their any project templates Kenny like what ableton logic offer ect. For a basic singer songwriter guitar production
Why am does Reaper lower volume when rendering a file to mp3?
Can we get a rap vocal chain tutorial with mix i master ? 😂
and where do you get this Loudness Meter Peak plugin from?
Great video thanks again
I don't understand. I know how to use compression and limiting, I hit all the numbers, but on my end it just comes out as unwanted saturation. The playback is still nowhere as loud as my reference tracks.
5:55 You mean 1.5 LUFS lower or quieter, not luder, correct? because The less negative the value, the quieter it gets. Someone confirm please! 👍
I have v5.965. There is no "Loudness Meter Peak" plugin. Is it only available in a later version?
yes it is
but the with the compressor the track is peaking , is supposed to not peak ? or im wrong
I have a song that I really want to mod into a game as a battle theme but when I put it in it always played like 10x quieter than the rest of the game's music even tried compressing and limiting, even stacking the instrumental's waveform on top but it was just never loud enough. so i'm hoping i can do better than audacity with reaper
the great Kenny Joya!
the meter always set -0.1 true peak even before setting the limiter, is that okay? because down came to show 72 true peaks clips (sorry my english)
I turn off the setting on apple music so everything plays as it was intended.
Before of watch this tutorial, i saw an other about mastering telling it, that most of platforms have this option to turn off the normalize and hear the original, and the song on the occasion was about - 5 lufs. The only thing that platforms do is turn down the volume to - 14 or whatever if this option of normalize is turn on
For some reason your mix doesn't distort after some point. Mine sounds okay but when i load it to soundcloud it sound pale and quiet for some reason
Should you try to eliminate those True Peak Clips?
Before making that same question, I just wanted to be sure if someone else saw this, drum folder and master track are clipping, shouldn't we try to avoid that?
Edit: I have to make a correction to my comment, I think we should try to avoid clipping in drum folder in this video. Clipping in master track is obviously produced by compressor and limiter.
Ahh yeah.. unless I missed something, they require -1 dbtp. It says it right there on the documentation. And he has it at -0.1
@@Taylor_King That's another point, Peak should be set at -1.0 dBTP in limiter for this example.
@@jgonzalez2005 yeah for sure. The clipping on the drum folder is very weird.. Yeah
@@Taylor_King In the Reaper Forum somebody suggested me to see this video, it explains the momentary clipping, it does not affect final result:
ua-cam.com/video/6vXiIlKCEgQ/v-deo.html
What's sucking for me is there is TOOOOO much in preferences. I'm a musician, and I want to plug and play, this makes things way confusing when I watch a video on how to do something, but if it's a different update, buttons arent there, things arent the same.. WTF
Dude, if you just want to plug and play I honestly don't think REAPER is the DAW for you....
We love Kenney, and Kenny LUFS us
I noticed you kept the final at -0.1db but everything I see recommends -1.0db as the limit of your for streaming. What's your thoughts?
Sample-peaks < -1 dB as rule of thumb to ensure < -0.1 dB True-peak ? Rule irrelevant when Meter measuring True-peaks ?
Why not make it louder than "3-4 range"? Im new so its a genuine question
hey Kenny, just in case you haven't heard it enough yet, the all love you! thanks
I may have missed it, but where can I find the loudness target document?
Otherwise, another very helpful video!
www.masteringthemix.com/blogs/learn/76296773-mastering-audio-for-soundcloud-itunes-spotify-and-youtube
@@REAPERMania Thank you!
can you do a tutorial about live record?
Thank you !
Does the quality of the song decrease if the platform it’s streaming on makes it quieter?
No. But if you over-compressed or limited it to get it that loud you did that for nothing and may have made it sound worse yourself.
@@REAPERMania Okay, I see. Thank you!
I wish all the people that mix commercials would learn how to turn it down.
0:18 ............NOTHING IS OVER...YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!
Do the 63 clips matter?
Anyone who thinks the Loudness War is over also believes in Santa Claus. We now have Loudness War 2.0. It's a lot harder to make loud mixes now. Loudness must already be taken into account when mixing and arranging. Pseudodynamic parts are built in and certain frequency ranges (depending on the genre) are lowered. Actually everything has gotten worse.
Yeah, people are now adding low volume sections to songs that fall below the LUFS meter gate in order to get lower integrated LUFS measurements and therefore be played back louder on loudness normalized platforms...
@@aeloh6921 that is crazy
gracias!
How to make your mixes quieter in REAPER?
Is it better to place the meter on the master track or in the monitoring fx?
Anything in the monitoring fx won't actually affect the song when you render it, it just changes the way you hear it. It's mostly used for room eq fixes like sonar works
@@badfish41969 well this is a meter plugin and wouldn't affect the sound to begin with.. So I'm wondering if it would be better to just put it in the monitoring fx so that it is always there.
@@christopherheadcase6886 yeah that makes sense, you probably could put it there, I feel like I would put it on the master track after the limiter and multiband that way it registers the changes that those plugins would make
@6:34 listen to that JS comp pumping like there's no tomorrow.
This usually happens with the digital comps, if you use a analog type it seens to be more smooth and colored
@@AttamanKing Analog pumps too. It depends on how much compression and limiting you are applying. I am a regular user of analog access and I can tell you even gears that cost 5k$ can pump.
@@AttamanKing Yup an analog 1176 pumps like crazy too.
Also, some digital compressors are *very* smooth and transparent, or coloured if you want. Check out Unisum or a good budget option, Kotelnikov GE
My mix was clipping at render and still sounds like 70% of a regular song
I'm still looking into this but I really think that Streaming services bring UP the volume even if you upload a file to them at -14 LUFS which would explain why a raw WAV file is lower in volume than streaming services.
Hey, how to save piano roll in reaper? Please anyone answer me.. Thank you..
Just hit save ctr + s
Saved ✨👍🎩🙏🙏🏿
Fuck yes
👍👍👍👏👏👏
This saves me money from buying plugins
I would give anything if I could use Reaper! I love the program. I love Kenny Gioia. However, I cannot for the life of me get rid of recording latency!!!! I have done the loop back test. I have adjusted buffer size. I have prayed and sacrificed all of my pets! I just can't get it to behave!
latancy got nothing to do with reaper, you are probably doing something wrong
your computer and interface is probably not high quality.
@@Nati thanks! That’s a great help 👍
@@RonnieVaiArovo using a Presonus Audio Box 96 with a pretty decent HP laptop which I have no problems running Studio One 5 with 🤷♂️
Don’t think that’s the issue. I will keep researching. Really want to be able to use it!
@@michaelc7207 i have the same blue box with a dell laptop. Have u messed with the buffer size in preferences?
Please DON'T make your mixes louder. It's just annoying.
That's why i do not listen to todays junk music.
thank you!
Thank you 👍