The lp decreasing lp gains is not just a masters+ thing. I'm only silver but went on a winning streak and rose ranks very quickly and at the end of it I went from gaining 25 lp to only 19. Riot really discouraging people from playing their game unless it's a new account
Well, I had the same…. After finishing placement I was on +30 LP. Then i won 85-90% of my games. But still 10 games further i was at +20 LP …. & -27 LP. 30 games further 27W 3L, still on +21 LP & -27 LP. Then i promoted to dia 4, and the curse was finally gone and instantly switched to +25LP -25LP Still i don’t get the logic..
Remember the game will also take into account your performance, If on average you perform better than the rank your are currently on you will also start gaining more LP per match. farm well and dnt die as much and even on those losing games you wont lose to much lp. If you are staring to get less lp its because of your performance, in the rank that you are currently on there are now some aspects of your game that are now in need of refinement to keep climbing.
@@Masterpouya Im pretty much experiencing the same thing right now but cant confirm that it resets in dia. So I basically went on a 20 games win streak (with 2-3 looses in between) climbing from e3 to d2. I started at +30 per game and am down to +19/20 now. At the same time loosing -27/28/29. Its crazy frustrating right now and I cant really get my head behind how this works. I have to admit that my acc was d2 long time and decayed duo not playing during a long vacation. Not sure how that affected my accounts mmr.
@@Masterpouya Indeed, that was also for me a big suprise. Since i lost all hope already after my lp gains dropped from +30 --> +20 and the stayed on +21 while basicly winning every game.
@@quokofumi5653 it isn't AT ALL because it only make the smurfing problem worse because anyone that getting stucked by shitty mmr adjustment system which means it's too ez to ruin gains and then it takes hundreds of games to actually go back into "neutral" state just buy new account and smurfing again and again
If you have 57% in 150 games, I don't think that you should have 18+ 28- lp gains it makes no sense. I went from Gold to Emerald but still these lp gains make it impossible to even play the game at that point
well going from gold to emerald is exactly the reason this happened. Your mmr was probably at high gold or low plat and as soon as you passed it you started getting less lp. Mmr needs more games to change
I currently am running into the same problem. Placed G3 and I’m currently E3 gaining +15 and losing -27. I have a 63% win rate with approx 110 games. I don’t understand why it’s like my account is hard stuck when I am clearly not “peaking” yet.
same thing for me, from bronze to emerald with around 60% win rate at around 150 games and my mmr just died, its says my mmr is plat2 and am emerald4 and when I win I gain 19-20 and on lost I have 27-29lp, impossible to climb...
The more games you play it will start to even out as you climb, but thats kind of the issue with it all isnt it... That they just want you to be hooked and to play ALOT of games to get those gains and losses back to normal, with +18 and -28 you have to go 3-2 to go even... which is just unfair entirely
I have the same scenario. I've been a hardstuck gold player last season going to g4-g1 simulteanously and even demoted to silver and went back to gold 4 after season reset. But after the reset, I'm placed at Silver 1 gaining 50+ lp then to gold gaining 30+ lp and went to plat with 22+ lp and -27 lp. After setbacks and climb, I went to E4 and now gaining +15, 16, 17 and -30, or -28. Imagine from Silver to E4, a pretty big leap(improvement) and got my account higher wr then you will be rewarded with this trash lp?
I always wonder (as a software engineer myself so I know this is possible lol) if they like increase/decrease LP gains or place you on good/bad teams depending on how long you are away from the game. Logic being if you are spam playing games riot could detect that and categorize you as an “addicted” player. To which they could put you on bad teams to keep the addiction going since you are already forgone and tilted at that point lol. Whereas if you are away from the game for a few days or weeks etc…perhaps they see you as a “fresh” player and want to give you the best experience possible so they increase your LP gains and place you on higher probably win rate teams. Not saying this is what they are doing but sometimes it feels like that and it would def be possible and a way to addict people lolol. Purely anecdotal tho lol
You know there was a huge conspiracy that this was true due to a patent that riot passed and someone came across it called "Behavior Pattern Matchmaking" (I may be messing the name up but I am sure you could still find it if you looked it up), Even though it was a patent they own, they never claimed to use it any of their games, but alot of people think that they do indeed, use it.
Hello! You couldn't have said it better, it is exactly what is going on - my work schedule is adjustable so I can sometimes spend day or more grinding ranked(I only play ranked) and when I'm playing a lot (might even be on a winning streak), there is a certain break when you feel as to the MMR is giving you unplayable games just because you were doing soo good. Then I just drop the game for a few days, and I go back with a "fresh" approach and the MMR is giving you good games. What I've somehow understood is - I have to catch the moment before, or at least all of a sudden you get a player that completely isn't in right place as tho of less skill/knowledge of the game. If this would not have happened to me more than a dozen times it would be hard to believe such focused style of match ranking!
@@brennenwolf its the patent that EA owns but is being rented out by many other companies. There is a whole academic study about it and its absurd. The game basically exploits your desire to win and intentionally puts you in massive win and lose streaks to get you hooked and keep your win rate close to 50 as as possible, in short lol. Its disgusting really and the change is obvious to old seasoned veterans like me. Ive been playing since the closed beta when they were giving out king rammus keys to high elo dota1 players. Since then, the matchmaking system has obviously been drastically changed, as in previous seasons you could easily reach 60-70% win rates, tfblads even had 84 at some point in challenger. Now it is very rare to see someone over 60 lol. And its been like this ever since they sold the game over to china.
I could go on a win streak or lose streak or straight up 50/50, doesn't matter. I always lose 28+ and win maybe 18-24. So i've never understood the LP gain/loss. It's like I am punished more for losing than being rewarded for winning. Definitely very discouraging for someone to want to lay when you're never rewarded after a hard fought win no matter the elo, you lose one game and you get shit on by the mmr/LP system.
Personal hottake We need to have mmr removed completely. Go to pure ranked matchmaking getting matches vs within 3 divisions of yourself or if in a duo it goes off the higher rank of the duo. You get a fixed amount of Lp win/loss. Can give more Lp on a streak.
they use these numbers and systems to keep people addicted and playing. they dont care about the quality as long as it puts distance between you and the rank you think you deserve. the longer you grind the more successful they feel about it
this is exactly how dota2 ranked systems work, except there is no duo queue contributing to solo mmr, there is solo and party mmr. the mmr system does have advantages of making sure smurfs arent in the lower elo for long, but at the same time, there is nowhere near the smurf problem in dota2, because it places you closer to your mmr, and it takes longer to climb
Removing MMR completely, I can agree on that. Getting fixed amount of LP - couldn't disagree more. I think they don't have to change anything, except making MMR visible. Would fix almost everything.
@@brennenwolf It does make sense from their perspective. They don't want people to know what losing and what winning means, so they can interpret it in their own way.
The blue/red side thing was mind blowing 🤯 I never thought about it that way but it makes so much sense that riot compensates the lower MMR team by giving them blue side
Except it's a myth. You can find plenty of instances just looking through a site like mobalytics that tells you the average rank of each team that prove this statement false. Just like LS claiming you win more LP if you win from the blue side. It's a myth that is easily debunked.
@@JoshDoesthat's usually just because of higher mmr players. Also when snowballing towards a win it is better as baron contests are harder for enemies and more game changing. Overall the pit design favors the side of the river the pit is on for contesting it
I think i hit the absolute worst part of this shit. Gaining +16 lp when winning and losing -30 lp. Winning 3 and losing 2 still puts me -12 lp. Absolutely frustrating. Riot just discouraging people like this in every part of the game. Fix this cursed ranked system.
Im kinda glad to hear, that Im not the only one experiencing these weird lp gains right now. It honestly feels like you are getting less lp the more games you win. Straight the opposite of how it was before. Maybe they somehow didnt adjust the mmr and how it changes after removing the promos entirely? But thats just a wild guess, Im have acutually no clue. So I had a pretty harsh start into the season ended up in e3 after like 30 games. I then went on like a 30 games win streak climbing to d1. In the meanwhile my lp gains dropped from +30 to +20 and Im loosing -28/29. I was pretty much d1 with 53% winrate and now am slowly dropping towards d4 while maintaining my 53% winrate. Its really strange.
you won 30 GAMES IN A ROW!?!?!? If that's true then your LP SKYROCKETED, but your MMR couldn't keep up, so the gains couldn't keep up with how fast you were climbing, you will def even out over time but I have NEVER seen a 30 game win streak that is insane lmao, Congratulations
WTF what champs do you play? OP GG? Like I am stuck in Emerald 4 , hit many 4 win streaks to Emerald 3 , even at one time I was a game away from Emerald 2, and that took so many games because gain 18 , lose 28. Now if it was the old system of even lp gains I would been Emerald 1 at peak. New system is making you play double the amount of games and more hard stuck it’s crazy.
My main was d1 last season but I ended plat because I roleswapped to jungle for competitive and used it to practice. I got +17 and -28 in Emerald 2. After a 40 minute 410 cs 14/4/19 game loss where my whole team was legit 40% winrate while I am sitting on 58%... I decided to say "fk it" and transfered my main to a different server for 2 weeks and then gonna transfer it back. I am not gonna play 300+ games just to make Riot believe I am a d1/master mmr midlaner while I can play on a new account and get diamond within 35 games... Its an absolute joke right now.
i have 60% winrate on my main, getting literally no joke 16-18 lp and loosing 28-30 lp. I'm stuck emerald 4 and cant get out. Please tell me if your server transfer worked. I literally win 5 games in a row, am at 95lp or something and then loose one and am back at 65lp and need 3 games to win
Very informative. This helped me understand a lot of the trouble ive been facing in lp gain and matchmaking. Also i think ill start dodging blueside games lol
I'm gonna share my experience with ranking duo in this season For context, I started playing at the end of season 7 so I started ranking in S8, not much, ended the positions games in silver 3 maybe, played some more games ans then never ranked again until this season because I had an awful internet connection and a crappy 2009 PC. My MMR sucks because I barely played casual arams or normals until 2019 and didn't played league since 2020 until 2022, and my micro game was awful too, so I didn't have a good performance then. I have been playing duo with a Masters ADC main (he used his alt/smurf account) and I've used some tanks supports, and we started playing from bronze to emerald. It is true that if you're playing with a duo, the system will try to match you against other duos, and it will face you against +200LP. But if the system can't find a duo, it could match you againt +400LP or even more difference. For instance, I was ranked at silver 2 maybe and I was against gold 1/ plat 3. It was crazy the difference. Once you start win streaking, the system will slowly put you in a "smurf queue" and you will find more often these bigger differences in elos. You also start wining more LP. I started getting +26 LP and now the system gives me +34 LP in average, my highest has been +37. Right now we have slightly over 60% wr in almost 50 games, and we are in plat against low emeralds, like emeral 4/emerald 2. I want to mention that weird things starts to happen when you start dodgning games. For instance, my duo had higher MMR so he dodged 2 games in a row just so we can keep playing, and we had a 8 win streak. Suddenly the queue changed for a bit. We lost 5 games in a row, the first 2 of them were well deserved because we played it poorly, but the other 3 games we had an excellent performance but our teammates were so bad they were constantly throwing the game. It felt like a punishment for dodging before and it was like we were paired with people that got there because they were carried and they didn't have the level it's supposed to be in that elo, and since it wasn't gold or some low elo, we couldn't recover. There were several people on our team that were in a "losers queue". So just in case, don't dodge unless strictly necessary. The MMR gets higher the better you play, even if you win or lose. Dodging games got so nerfed that I don't think it's worth it. Myd advise would be: don't be a kda player, that won't increase your MMR. It will make you get stuck but with nicer numbers. If you can do your part correctly, get killed and even don't get any kill, but your team gets a significant advantage, you better take it.
So you basically duo with someone that carries you? If I was you I wouldn't be too proud of that rank, because u didn't earn it yourself. Just like guys that buy a boost your rank doesn't mean anything. The best feeling is when you achieved the desired rank by blood, sweat and improvement.
@@leeroyjenkins3209 not exactly, the hardest part for me was getting out of low elo hell, I was positioned in iron and was getting out of there by myself but it took me longer because I had bad teammates which most of the time didn't follow my calls and was doomed if my teammates lost their lane because they couldn't recover. I think the worst is at bot extremes of the spectrum of what is considered "low elo" because in iron they won't understand the calls and in silver they won't follow your calls because they think they're right and you wrong because is an unknown thing for them what you're proposing. A lot of people in low elo play either too safe or fight with everything at anytime without thinking around objectives or resources that gives an advantage to the team, even they fight in disadvantage because they don't know their limits. So winning becomes more and more random and less controllable. Having a premade allows you to remove part of that randomness of winning or losing because it's a more coordinated and consistent teammate which you're constantly communicating through voice chat. I had over 60% wr playing by my own in low elo as an top and adc, and with a premade allowed me to win streak so hard that I got out of bronze 1 up to gold 1 in maybe 25 games or so which would've taken me far more games if I didn't have his help. That's why the system tries to match me with +400LP lobbies. Also, take in consideration, if I didn't deserved that elo, we would've taken far more games to climb and my MMR would b so bad I'd win just +22LP instead of +34 or something like that. Also I have been playing by my own lately. I'm doing good in mid and supp. If I didn't deserve it I would be demoted a long ago. Sorry for having close friends and climbing together, I didn't know it was a crime, and the punishment of such crime was being unentitled to my rank
One thing to note as a general idea of sorts that could benefit the ranked system is to make ranked accessible form a later level account lets say something like lvl80 then you would have time to adjust mmr and there wont be much of an incentive to jump accounts and have plat mmr lvl 30 accounts where in general you wont know if people can even play at that skill level
Holy shit, that last topic makes so much sense. My winrate Red side is significantly higher and theyre usually lopsided wins. Hmm... im gonna start dodging if im blue side now.
I had a huge lose streak this split and went from g4 to s4 0lp with red exclamation mark. My lp ratio was like +17/-28 and i thought it’s gg for this account. I didn’t play poorly, my botlane always lost their lane harshly so i couldn’t really do much (i played top). It all changed after i picked up fiora and started to solo carry. Now im in g4 again with +29 gains and g1/p4 mmrs. The system actually let’s u bounce back even if your account isn’t that fresh, and i fixed it in like 20 games maybe
As a match making user veteran, both the 50% force and 75% force types, from LoL s1, Dota1 & 2, SC2, War3, OW (Riot and Blizzard employees have always been very close), The things this guy talks about make waaaaaaaaaaaaay more sense than any garbage Riot PR says is true. Who is this guy, I was always very curious about how SBMM works because it's really the soul of every comp game. How does one learn all these things? Honestly seems like an industry worker rather than any guy who is just interested in games.
Are you referring to the person I am interviewing? Hes a good friend of mine but he has experience within the LCS and behind the scenes with coaching as well
Me and him are actually thinking about starting a League Podcast where we just talk about anything and everything, I enjoy our dynamic and we are both extremely passionate about league and I think it would be a fun thing to try out :D
This is what has stopped me playing. Last season i started off insane, best ive ever done out the gate.. was at 74% wr after 80 games but my LP was just not adjusting. There was then a very common trend of me having lower ranked, negative wr players on my team but the other would have 1-2 higher tiered players.. as we all know negative wr indicates either that they are not at the right rank or are toxic.. i had this for the next 50 games till i just gave up. Its by far the least rewarding ranking system of any game and the fact they do these tactics to make you play as many games as possible is wild, id play more if i was at the level i should be at. Adding ranks has made it worse imo, hence why i stopped playing.
rose up ranks in one of my accounts which were platinum 2 seasons ago and got to emerald. suddenly my lp gains decreased so much that I was getting +17 -29 every game. I had over 60 percent win rate at the time. quit playing on that account and started a new one. after my first 3 games, I was already at platinum 4 with emerald mmr lol. It is terrible how a company can mess things up this much.
I also started to notice that, the closer you are to peaking, Riot will use EOMM to keep you hooked. It became specially obvious in S13 with the introduction of Emerald messing up the LP scales. I peaked Gold IV once few years ago. Every single season I get closer to S1, I start getting horrible matchmaking. This season became so obvious because I put my game in order and started winning, to the point I had 19 wins over loses, and a 65% WR per 20 games. The moment I hit S2 92LP, I got an absurdly long combo of unplayable matches. I even checked some op gg profiles to just see if I was tilting and inting, but I found things like a 43% (overall) WR BRONZE Ashe placed in the same match, and she got put in a Iron II level match after. I'm seriously considering leveling up a fresh account by hand to see if I'm going crazy with this theories or Riot is messing up ranked. Note: I was winning 24LP and losing 20LP the moment it started to happen. So no bad MMR.
Historically speaking, Silver 1 and Plat V (now Plat IV) have been always problematic MMRs because somehow the system has hard times providing players a "balanced" match. From personal experience, whenever I'm climbing through Plat, in the 4th division most games are decided by which lane gets the "free win" ticket, meaning getting casually matched with Silvers/low Gold. I promise these games are the most frustrating experience you can get in LoL, way worse than a Janna Master tier supporter getting autofilled top against a top main. Most high Diamond players will never ever notice that, simply because when you win +60 and lose -15 even if you overall lose a couple of games more you don't care and won't affect your win rate that much, since you're better than the lobby you're in anyways. So yeah, maybe you lose a game or two, but within 2-3 wins you're out of it so you'll quickly forget. For players trying to climb or genuinely improving, this will be a nightmare to deal with since the system doesn't give shit about you being D4 skill wise while having a P4 MMR. After 100 games your MMR will be so fucked up that even if you're the best player in the room you will still be stuck in P4, better to make a new one and climb to D4 (maybe even higher, if you're a bit lucky) in probably half of the games. Other than that, I'm not even totally convinced about Riot being totally transparent about that since they decided to "hide" MMR but keep using it to determine which players will be in a certain match. So basically there's a value, you cannot see and barely affect that determines if you're going to win or lose a game unless you're miles ahead in terms of skills/game knowledge. Best!
12:59 Duo parrity? Man, I even send a ticket to support when in my team everyone was solo playing ranked and opposite team had TWO god damn pairs of duoing people in SOLO queue. This is pure cancer playing SOLO queue as solo player versus few dudes who have voice communication and know each other's playstyle.
13:38 yeah... I am Gold IV and gaining +25/26 per match but still being matched with bronze players. That makes sense now. The odd thing is that my duo has a lower rank than me.
When I started playing a year ago this was my first moba game, I was expectedly bad and hopped into ranked and ran it down, like 0/10 stuff. I got a lot better, but I found the game more fun casually with friends doing off meta or just messing around. I eventually got to 0 lp iron 4 and my mmr was yuumi bot level. Fast forward and more of my friends get into the game and they want to play ranked, only problem is that they have insane +50 lp with no negative loss and they got placed in gold, I can't play with one of my friends until I'm silver. I started to solo climb and got to bronze 4 with a +15 -30 lp the whole time on average, my only question is: why does my lp not improve when I have a 65% winrate over 70+ ranked games? Not to sound conceded, but when a player has a consistent WR above 55% they are usually the difference maker and don't belong in that elo, its basically smurf queue.
To be fair, if you genuinely played ranked all the way down to Iron 4 0 LP... That account is going to take 2-3 Years of a 65% wr to fix in this system... esp any losses you took at 0 LP in Iron 4... Even tho your LP stays at 0 LP, your MMR continues to go down as well :/, at that point I would recommend leveling a new account to see where you actually belong in ranked
@@brennenwolf Yeah I’ve been told that, thing is I got too many skins, champs, and masteries/eternals to give that account up. I hovered around iron 3 really and never played ranked unless it was with friends so I don’t have many losses at iron 4 just an even win rate at iron 3 mostly. I only really JUST started playing ranked after only doing draft and other rotational modes on that account for a year. I’m just hopeful for the new lp changes next year, that’s all I can really look forward to because even a small loss streak can set me back multiple divisions, but climbing takes exponentially more wins.
@@brennenwolf First season actively trying to win in ranked, but I started playing halfway through s12. I actually started playing as a joke cause I kept calling my friends losers for playing league lmao, but I actually really like the game, can’t say I like mobas though, dota 2 was boring.
10:20 in this sektion they talk about if you have peaked in a rank winning maybe 25 games in a row and started losing lp gains, explanation: riot does not like accounts gaining massive winstreaks because it can be seen as a boosted account, so preferably if you want to keep your lp gains you should win 3 games then lose and keep that pattern to consistantly climb and have the Same mmr because your account Will be closer to 50% wr which riot loves accounts to have because that is the 25+- lp mmr
Its not recent, but at one time when i was trying to get gold several seasons ago, I had a 70% win rate but was going down in rank because i grew fast enough that i was gainin 12lp per win and losing at least 24lp per loss
I've been seeing this alot in the comments, When you win streak hard the game doesn't think you deserve the rank so it tries to pull you back a bit, but if you stay consistent and play well it will even out over time
The lp gaines are consistent in low mmr, but less consistent in higher mmr because there are less players in high mmr. So the mmr difference in the teams is often higher
I've went from 54% wr D2 (barely holding D2, +23/-25) last split, to Masters 65% wr, with 26/27+ and -24/25. No clue what happened, but on new accs its even easier, while im average at best. Don't think i've ever encountered +17 -27, this would feel bad to even bother going to queue
I've never personally experienced it before either but I've seen it a lot in my coaching sessions and its absolutely insane, I would just... not even have fun playing at that point idk
The last i ever played anything remotely close to serious is S3 and I only got to Plat 1, somehow after years of not touching the game. I am now in Iron matched with silver/gold, while I am absolutely getting dumpster sitting on my tower and zoned out. Make its really hard to justify ever coming back to play league at all no matter how much friends or streams try to convince me to.
My MMR is so crazy lately. I win two games and get exactly 30 LP, but then I lose just one game and it's -30 LP. Everything I gained I just lost in one game, it's so discouraging.
So i started improving finally and jumped up to emerald rank. I was getting +27 +28 in platinum 1. I started getting +18 +17. Got demoted from very troll games with tilted players that wanted to quit/afk. Now im getting the same lp gains in plat 1.. how is this fair? I have to play solid every single game and hope one of my team mates doesnt shit the bed entirely and give up- the only solution is win more games, but in games i play well which is most i have to just pray someone doesnt int? jg / top going 0/7 in 10 mins should not be a thing in that elo.
Also the fact there is still no real time LP mitigation for people actively trolling games is crazy. They seem to be quite hot on chat bans currently however.. hmmm
idk ive always been high silver every season, reach gold before then suddenly this season after not having played for a while it threw me straight to iron 4 with like +13 for a win and -27 for a loss and now having climbed up to bronze again with an over 77% winrate my lp gain to loss ratio is still absolutely horrible, seems like my mmr balance has barely changed, also not to mention im always put on the side with the horrible team mates with low winrates vs the team with higher winrates and higher overall rank
scratch that now im getting -30 for a loss, like mmr imo is so broken with how it currently works, it seems that it progesses way slower than lp while increasing and decreasing at the same rate making it near impossible to actually increase it to your rank if it is significantly below it
I think you would benefit from Leveling up a new account, Think it would give you a better representation of your actual rank, that accounts seems to be quite doomed :/
@@brennenwolf everyone tells me that but i dont want to when i have like every champ and alot of skins, the game shouldnt be setup in a way where its easier to get higher rank on a new account anyway people say the way it is setup is to stop boosters but if anything it makes boosting easy if you just play 20 games with a diamond on a new account to get to diamond
i thought my account was doomed when i got like 19 to 20 lp in bronze 1 but then i started to win alot more games cause of a strat with my duo and now im gaining 30+lp in plat 4
I was peaking from gold 3 all the way to plat 1 and my mmr start to decrease dramatically like my games were +19 -28 and I wasn't even duoing which is very weird
If you went on a huge win streak then the game is trying to slow you down because it thinks you are moving too fast, MMR is lagging behind your LP, it will catch up in time, but will be frustrating for a while...
I'm stuck emerald 4/3 cause litteraly everytime i win more game, I win less lp. its almost worst when i win more game in a row. My last win gave me +17, I dont understand
Tldr: MMR will dictate your rank and the lobbies you play in. MMR higher than rank = good gains. MMR lower than your rank = negative gains. Winstreaks on ”stuck accounts” will kill your gains short term, because your LP climbs faster than your MMR. Dodging and remaking will boost your gains, because you are losing LP not MMR. Fresh accounts have inflated MMR gains, so it’s very easy to inflate yourself to a rank you don’t deserve short term. You have the rank you deserve on your main. MMR and LP gains are completely irrelevant, if you want to actually climb and improve. Focus on the game rather than your accout and other useless gimmicks
i was 99 lp silver 1 then lost all the way to bronze 4 with some wins here and there, now im losing 27 lp per game and only gaining 18 or 19, how am i supposed to climb back and why would i ever want to continue playing ranked if its literally impossible to climb?
ahhhh.... Yeah... that definitely does not feel good at all... It may be a new account angle my friend, as unfortunate as that sounds, it will fix your current gains and losses and you'll probably start off in silver
i was emerald 1 with 60+ wr a month ago (havent played since) and my lp gain loss was something like 12-18/-26-30, also playing as an adc main the most unforgiving role in this game atm which is something the algorithm knows at this stage, yet i had to endure zombies and griefers like minimum 1 out of 3 games. nobody is faker and faker isnt perfect but the game itself is made by humans. i wont play ranked until they fix this and honestly lol is actually starting to enter the blizzard phase imo.
Yup and that’s why this video is garbage. I was literally 70% winrate in E2 and had the same gains/losses as you. People saying “your mmr hasn’t caught up with your win streak”. Then people say when you have a negative winrate and you lose more than you gain “you have to win streak to fix your mmr”. Nobody has an explanation for it except they’re doing it to just keep you where you are. Riot entered blizzard phase since season 9
This is not a single player game. This is a team sport. Riot has publicly mentioned that they want to keep your gameplay experience at a 50/50 win loss ratio. How do you keep the win rate of a player with a high mmr and win rate closer to 50%??? The answer... Riot riggs your match making by giving the opponents the better pool of players to select and gives your team worse pool of players to select.
I placed silver 1 2 seasons ago no lp issues this last season I started at bronze 2 and rose straight back to silver 1 with a 70% wr and it just started doing +15 -27 and just to climb slowly I would have to maintain 70% wr and obviously I'm not good so I didn't bringing me back to silver 3 where I finally decided to just make a new account which got placed gold which finally made me decide to quit as it's super fucking rigged. I'm now like 6 months sober.
I resumed playing around 2 weeks ago after a 3 year break. I went from Silver 4 to Emerald 4 in this time, constantly gaining 37-38 LP per game. I have a 63% winrate. Why do I gain so much?
They think you are a Diamond player, or at least your MMR is Diamond at the moment, so the game is trying to get you to where it thinks you belong basically, it should even out the more you climb
this deffinetly has to go, they took elo system and overcoplicated it. only serves to promote buying freshs and not even play on your own main that you been playing for 11 years, they act like everyone has time to equalise their mmr with 2k games
The game can't match duos 100% of the time. In very high ranks, there's just not enough players playing at the same time within the same MMR who also need to be duo and to cover needed roles, so sometimes it will forfeit matching duos for the sake of not waiting 30+ minutes in queue.
So riot removed all promos to fix the lp gain problem hahaha RIOT lieing to us once again Lmao. They said they remove promo to make it easier to climb because of the whole new division but instead it looks like they did it because more and more people complained about there mmr system being flawed.
200 games into plat/emerald. my win rate is now rising in the last 50 games I had avg win rate of like 66% went from plat 1 to emerald 2 compared to the 50% of the first 150 games but my lp gains are now at 19 and I lose like 27 so thats fun
still confused on how i went on a big loss streak emerald 1 42 lp to emerald 3 zero lp with only two wins in-between that.... I won one game at 0 lp emerald 3 and gained high 20s... continued going on a 7 games win streak and started getting 15-17 in the last two games then lost one for -30 lp
There seems to be something that has changed in the last month or so that is effecting everyone right now, It seems that nearly everyone is struggling, even I went from masters 250 to Masters 100 While maintaining a 55% WR... Just seems a little ridiculous rn
So why isnt anybody talking about losers que? How "magically" and "randomly" you get paired up with 4 people with 20% win rate, feeding in every single game while the enemy team is rocking 55-70% win 4-5 kda rates against you. Nowadays I don't play on my main after hitting emerald because the lp gains are atrocious. Made a new account, easily within 4 days i got that one to plat 1 and the games are night and day difference, it's wild.
Silver 4 Account. -28 on a loss +18 on a win over 6 months. Needs 65% win rate to hold rank. Held rank. Got the Victorious Anivia Skin as a Silver 4 LUL. Rito LOL
Started ranked last season as a support main and adcs had so much Main character syndrome I move to top lane and I'm doing much better I even have a 68% wr on one champ across 81 games, so I'd say thats a decent sample size, but I cannot climb, I go on a winning streak and get autofilled JG/MID/Supp and lose and even when I play top and win I only get 15LP a win and lose 29LP a loss, I only went from Bronze IV to Bronze II.
With those types of gains and losses, you're unfortunately going to have to maintain that 60% Win Rate for another 200 games as it slowly fixes itself with this current system
that shit is just annoying af. Had a bad start of the season because my team kinda trolled me permanently. 18 wins 30 loses something like that. After that actually got normal people in most of my games which ended in a 58%winrate over the last 80 games. Still gaining 19-22 and losing 27-30. Wrote a ticket to riot and they said i just had to play more games. Dude... i dont want to spend my whole life in league i already play it like every evening. How is it possoible that i play 100 games+ and the system still cant get my mmr right. I effectifly cant climb. Been between Emerald 4 and 2 the last 2 months. As soon as i reach Emerald 2 i gain +22max literally have to have 3-4 winning streaks kind of in a row to finally reach diamond.
It's funny how every toplaner i encounter in ranked goes 0 10 ever since i got to plat. I was getting +32 -22 now i'm getting like +22 -24 and cant get out of plat no matter what i do
Around 100 Games into the new season is when your MMR will even out and have you set where they want you to be, You typically get a "Boost" for your first 50-100 Games in a Season/Split
I started this season as gold 1, after placements and many many games I got to em1 with 50% win rate and now I gain 19 pl and loose 29.... I played a lot of games with a friend who was one entire division under me, may that be the cause? I dont understand
Definitely interesting listening to all of this, I play ranked casually and don't have the time to grind it out these days, but I'm Emerald 4 right now and my games are with D1 and Master players which I'm fine with, each win I gain on average 41 LP, I'm wondering is it this high that they want me to push to Masters or something else?
@@brennenwolf 1 thing that didnt get mentioned in this video i think is that the higher division you are the less lp you also get. meaning emerald 4 low points gets more lp then emerald 1. so that its easier to move from emerald 4 to higher divisions but harder to actually get to diamond. dk if that is official but i heard it somehwere or maybe my experience. well i will see if i reach dia 4 on my emerald 1 account where i get +15lp if i get more lp in dia 4
One of my biggest questions is how does the game base your mmr on a fresh account. I’ve seen people level accounts and they just breeze through rankings and some just struggle. Is it based off performance things like assists/vision placed/ dps/ healing /deaths or is it based off wins l and losses
This is because riot has bugs in the code, their game is started at amateur level, but they have too much spaghetti code right now, and they do not have courage or good engineer to redesign the game. All they doing is working around a old system, doing parameter changing, which constantly introduce new problems.
My problem was the fact that I played around 400 games in Emerald rank, then I started playing my otp champ and started winning a lot of games, over 65% winrate in 50 games. I promoted to Diamond 1/70LP, I started losing some games and for each loss I lost about 30LP and for wins I would gain about 19LP which was so tragic because you cant always influence the outcome of the game. With about 60% win rate in the next 100 games i wasnt able to progress further cuz each time id win id get 17-20LP and lose 28-32LP. Ultimately I ended up having around 50% win rate in the last 100ish games and I demoted from D1 to E1 (with 50% win rate)
For some reason this started happening to me as well, 55% win rate and yet I went from Masters 250 to 150, Something seems to of changed within the last month that is effecting nearly EVERYONE, and its a little ridiculous
@@brennenwolf It has happened the same to me since emerald had been implemented and reading all these comments I can see that I'm not the only one. Wouldn't you mind to make a video about all of this apparent rigged system that Riot has?
Here’s something for you, my mmr for Aram is daimond and then in ranked it’s bronze and I’m being queen with iron players going 20+kd games losing late
I was wondering what would be a good way to fix your mmr other than winstreaking? I've seen that data affects your games a lot like if you die on average more than other players in your elo then you will be "stuck" by the game putting you in hard games when you are winning etc.
@@stratosm3154 same. I think it was like this back in the day, but since past season 8-10 they changed it. I remember my biggest loss streak was around that time and it just made no sense because 3 people inted every single game when i was just doing fine, not great. but i think it wasn't like this anytime before that
This is a theory that its basically pattern based Matchmaking, but I think its more a conspiracy theory than anything, there is a Patent that was passed and researched by Riot about this specifically, but they have never come out and actually said it was implemented in League of Legends ( It still could be and maybe they are not telling us tho)
The system collects data while you’re playing. Your mmr will be fixed over time when the system has data showing you improved. That’s why challenger level players always get to challenger eventually. Their data is collected and the system determines they belong into challenger.if you suddenly play really bad the system will test you and tries to push you down, that’s why some get -28 +14. Riot said they can determine after like 3 games where a player will end up skillwise. They also know beforehand how a game is likely to turn out, I think this is very nice about the system because the system is all about improving yourself to become a better player and then you will climb, it’s that simple.
@@Mymusicaldream the system is all about spending the most time playing the game to have a chance to be where you deserve rank wise. there are other games with ranked systems that are nowhere near as predatory as leagues and other AAA comp games. you just need to come across them by playing more games and comparing how their ranked system works. apex had a great ranked system before the last year changes for example. rewarded skill above all else rather than teammate coinflip.
very imformative, and good video, i was a silver 2 90 lp with diamond 1-master 4 mmr. And those were the enemies that i were getting everygame, but for some reason riot was giving me iron players with mixed in gold-emerald (1 per game) or just iron with bronze teammates which were getting 10 deaths each at 20 minutes and it was just impossible to win a game. Now im in bronze 3, im still getting some crazy mfker from diamond in enemy, and can`t play a single game without my team having 40 deaths at 20, where i carry and lose 50 minute games
this season’s split i’ve had a 60% winrate on both darius and rammus with 100+ games and i’ve been getting +19 -27 the entire time. so trying to play more to even it out has gotten me nowhere. the only solution seems to be making a new account at this point
As a jungler, i would like to point out that dragon pit is designed much better for blue side which is likely why its winrate is higher. I find it incredibly hard to approach pit for a contest from red side but on the contrary red side is way easier to contest baron. Mostly because they have to walk all the way around pit into your teams jungle to keep you away exposing themselves and removing the junglers ability to turn if a fight breaks out because they have to stay in put for the objective
I’m currently masters 300ish lp and I’m playing with grandmasters and challengers in almost every lobby I’m in, but I am losing 28 and gaining 21. Why is this the case? I’m playing against players that are significantly above my mmr and lp every single game and I have a very high winrate yet I keep losing so much and gaining so little. My winrate is the only thing that keeps me climbing. I literally win 6 out of 10 games against challengers and grandmasters just to stay at the same rank at 300 lp. I feel like riot shadowbanned me for inting or something, and they are screwing over my mmr secretly.
Recently (Within the last month), Masters+ players are seeing a HUGE drop off of LP games, think this was something they implemented because of how many players are in masters right now, and I think they are trying to cut the number down before the end of the season. These Gains and Losses seem to be very common lately among the high elo community
I came back to this game after 2 years and got placed p4 after my first placement, now I'm sitting on emerald 3 with 54% wr. My question is, why do I get 20lp and lose 28lp it happened all of a sudden it wasn't a slow decrease I was on a streak I don't understand I lose like every 4th game and my lp gains still decrease I'm thinking of quitting again I thought the game got healthier
Your MMR isn't keeping up with your LP, Game thinks you're climbing too fast, its trying to hold you back, if you stay consistent and maintain your rank it will even out over time... but by time I mean like 100 games... That's the part that sucks
This is stupid. If Riot wanted good matchmaking they would just stick to a single system like MMR in DotA. New 3 splits a year just proves what Riot really wants - to keep people playing and addicted.
hovering around emerald 2-4 with 54-55% win rate, winning about 17-20 and losing 28-35. it seems like 75% of my games have 1-2 "smurfs" in them, legit lvl 30-35 accounts with 100% win rate ranked duo with another account with same stats. Ive have multiple games where i shit you not the entire team was "smurfing" the highest lvl account was not even lvl 40. These account are in gold while im in emerald.. yet i could not duo with a gold player even if i wanted too. Im usually a mid diamond player each season yet i cant get out of emerald, the games seem so 1 sided every game for said reasons. very frustrating
Emerald seems to be very odd at the moment, I have some friends who were Masters Last Split and are stuck in Emerald, I have seen the footage, the game quality seems so abysmal I feel so bad for them idek
Happened to me recently where I started Session Masters 50 LP... go 7-5... Masters 47 LP, I have an account thats MMR is currently bad and its so frustrating
Not seen any of this, Im like gaining 26 lp a game, with it peaking in rank skips. went from Silver 1 Last split to now Plat 1. Wondering where ill hit a wall
I'm playing whit my duo, I'm g1 50 LP and he's g4 0 pl, I feels like it's the opposite you said, In my team I met people around silver 1/2 and g4. Losing -27 +22/21
When you say that you need about 80% WR in normals to have plat MMR. Do you mean normal games from lvl 30 onwards? Or just any normal game since account creation up until lvl 30?
i dont understand what leads to broken lp gains? i have been arouns p1 for longer period and few days ago after a break i started playing and went climbing and winning a lot and now i just lost 27 lp after 7 games winstrsak in emerald 3. meanwhile i was winning 18 for all 7 games. i dont understand why is this happening because while i was stil p1 i was gaining around 25 and losing around 23
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63% win rate nocturne 300 games i went from iron 3 to silver 3 all the time with -27 lp and +20 lp. I usulally go on a 4-6 (+80lp) games win streak then loose 1-2(-54lp)
Yeah you have climbed ALOT of iron 3, your MMR is lagging behind your LP, it should catch up in time, its just the way the system is made that makes it take forever...
BUT THE REASON IM DEMOTING ON 50 PERCENT WINRATE IS BECAUSE I LOSE MORE LP THAN I GAIN!!! ITS LITERALLY A VISCIOUS CYCLE, WHERE RIOT MAKES THE LP GAIN UNFAIR, AND THEN PUNISHES YOU FOR IT
s13 was sooo tilting omfg. i started the season playing ranked like its normal games. after 100 games i started taking it serious. after playing well consistently with like 65%wr from emerald 4 to emerald 1 90 lp, my mmr got so bad, it was +22 -30. then i for some reason had a 12 game losingstreak where each 3 games i would drop a division.. these 12 games later i was back at emerald 4 0lp where my gains ended up at +18 -32 ... i played for another 100 games with these bs gains. i was going back and forth between em4 and p1 with 60% winrate. it didnt get better AT ALL. then i quit and played on a new account. after 20 games on that new account i was emerald 4... made me quit league for a while. got a girlfriend. now im back at it, but this season im probably making it to d4. wish me luck. lol
So there is a reason that people who have been only playing normals or aram and jump into ranked are matched with gold/plat when they are not even silver level of skill.
last season i had 70% winrate in 100 games and my gains were negative, and then i was stuck division 1 with -29 and +11, so i would get 3 wins in a row, get 98lp and then lose 1 game and get -29, also very often it feels like there is loserq cause i had to win so many unwinnable unplayable games (which many of i did win but it was VERY VERY bad and u cant win all of them so on loserq u can even lose 3 in a row -29lp and with 11 lp gain u need to go back to 99 with massive winstreak again, which again is very difficult once youre on loserq). this season once the fresh gains are gone, i seem to gain -27 and win +22, i did go emerald 3 quickly but i still get this and losing streaks also hunt me down i could swear there is some sort of mmr balancing in queue, i outdif enemy bot as support 90%, some games i dont play as good but still. is my acc doomed? i dont want to make another winrate smurf, i like skins on my acc. till i get it to mid dia its gonna take a lot but i guess its better than +11 -27
+22 -27 is an EZ Fix, just need time and to continue playing well, +11 on the other hand, is unheard of and I have never seen that in my entire life, I would've given up on that account a long time ago ngl :/, but you seem to have it back in check now so Just need to keep playing well and keep playing
i stopped playing ranked at all because of current mmr system, last season i grinded d4 for the first time, got there with around 60% wr ended up with around d3 mmr, decided to take a break after because i got burned out, came back like a month and a half later i was plat 1 that fine decay is no big deal, but for some reason my mmr dropped so low that even playing around 20 game with 70-75% in those games and i fucking lost lp and mmr still stayed crap so i just gave up on ranked period from that point on, tryed a bit of ranked this season, got placed in gold 2 i think, got up to plat with a win streak and lp gains started going negative again so yeah.. i dont play ranked anymore. they could atleast let us manually decide if we want to completely reset our mmr/ elo to start fresh on the same account
Thats actually really odd... You don't lose MMR when you decay, and its actually a popular strat in high elo to BOOST MMR, so lets say someone is 500 LP Grandmasters, some people will tank 200 LP from decay to fix their MMR and then come back, I am not sure what happened with your account, something doesn't seem right
@@brennenwolf well that was the first time something like this happened to after decay cuz i would stop playing for a while after every single bigger grind. this particular time demotivated me completely tho and the moment i saw that nothing changed after 20 games or so i just gave up and decided to not play ranked period. i probably should have tryed to contact someone in riot about it cuz maybe something just gone wrong but its far too late now. maybe decaying over a division was the problem, i really have no clue
I'm sorry but at the end of the day mmr or not I feel like I should NEVER end my day loosing lp overall if I do like 5W/3L and that what happens to me right now. I need 3 games to actually catch up with a loss and that's frustrating and doesn't feel good at all...
That sounds miserable man.... What rank are you? Maybe you could start a new account and try hard on that one and use your current one for warming up or if you're tilted?
english is not my native language but here's what i think i understood. so normal match making increases our MMR but only for those who have never played rank match therefore new acounts. is that it? or it also works even if my account is over 400+ and spam winstreak on normal, it will increase my mmr? my rank is emerald 1-2 (was diamond before emerald was out) and my lp gain is about 22 and lose about 25-27
I'm getting about equal lp on wins and losses in solo duo silver, but i'm getting +41 in my rankeds wins in low plat in flex. I don't get why the difference, and i've been playing both alone anyways
The lp decreasing lp gains is not just a masters+ thing. I'm only silver but went on a winning streak and rose ranks very quickly and at the end of it I went from gaining 25 lp to only 19. Riot really discouraging people from playing their game unless it's a new account
Well, I had the same….
After finishing placement I was on +30 LP. Then i won 85-90% of my games. But still 10 games further i was at +20 LP …. & -27 LP.
30 games further 27W 3L, still on +21 LP & -27 LP.
Then i promoted to dia 4, and the curse was finally gone and instantly switched to +25LP -25LP
Still i don’t get the logic..
Remember the game will also take into account your performance, If on average you perform better than the rank your are currently on you will also start gaining more LP per match. farm well and dnt die as much and even on those losing games you wont lose to much lp. If you are staring to get less lp its because of your performance, in the rank that you are currently on there are now some aspects of your game that are now in need of refinement to keep climbing.
@@Anivia-Freak Oh what ?! It reset to +25-25 when you got D4 !? Holly Molly that's interesting to know!
@@Masterpouya Im pretty much experiencing the same thing right now but cant confirm that it resets in dia.
So I basically went on a 20 games win streak (with 2-3 looses in between) climbing from e3 to d2.
I started at +30 per game and am down to +19/20 now.
At the same time loosing -27/28/29.
Its crazy frustrating right now and I cant really get my head behind how this works.
I have to admit that my acc was d2 long time and decayed duo not playing during a long vacation. Not sure how that affected my accounts mmr.
@@Masterpouya Indeed, that was also for me a big suprise.
Since i lost all hope already after my lp gains dropped from +30 --> +20 and the stayed on +21 while basicly winning every game.
They certainly aren’t trying very hard to discourage smurfing
Sadly they're not...
little correction , as an account botter if you play only bot games you directly get P4 mmr ^^@@brennenwolf
Least of the issues
What? What should they do? Ban smurfing ? I dont think so. So ability to gain higher mmr faster on new account is actually good solution.
@@quokofumi5653 it isn't AT ALL because it only make the smurfing problem worse because anyone that getting stucked by shitty mmr adjustment system which means it's too ez to ruin gains and then it takes hundreds of games to actually go back into "neutral" state just buy new account and smurfing again and again
If you have 57% in 150 games, I don't think that you should have 18+ 28- lp gains it makes no sense. I went from Gold to Emerald but still these lp gains make it impossible to even play the game at that point
well going from gold to emerald is exactly the reason this happened. Your mmr was probably at high gold or low plat and as soon as you passed it you started getting less lp. Mmr needs more games to change
I currently am running into the same problem. Placed G3 and I’m currently E3 gaining +15 and losing -27. I have a 63% win rate with approx 110 games. I don’t understand why it’s like my account is hard stuck when I am clearly not “peaking” yet.
same thing for me, from bronze to emerald with around 60% win rate at around 150 games and my mmr just died, its says my mmr is plat2 and am emerald4 and when I win I gain 19-20 and on lost I have 27-29lp, impossible to climb...
The more games you play it will start to even out as you climb, but thats kind of the issue with it all isnt it... That they just want you to be hooked and to play ALOT of games to get those gains and losses back to normal, with +18 and -28 you have to go 3-2 to go even... which is just unfair entirely
I have the same scenario. I've been a hardstuck gold player last season going to g4-g1 simulteanously and even demoted to silver and went back to gold 4 after season reset. But after the reset, I'm placed at Silver 1 gaining 50+ lp then to gold gaining 30+ lp and went to plat with 22+ lp and -27 lp. After setbacks and climb, I went to E4 and now gaining +15, 16, 17 and -30, or -28. Imagine from Silver to E4, a pretty big leap(improvement) and got my account higher wr then you will be rewarded with this trash lp?
I always wonder (as a software engineer myself so I know this is possible lol) if they like increase/decrease LP gains or place you on good/bad teams depending on how long you are away from the game.
Logic being if you are spam playing games riot could detect that and categorize you as an “addicted” player. To which they could put you on bad teams to keep the addiction going since you are already forgone and tilted at that point lol. Whereas if you are away from the game for a few days or weeks etc…perhaps they see you as a “fresh” player and want to give you the best experience possible so they increase your LP gains and place you on higher probably win rate teams.
Not saying this is what they are doing but sometimes it feels like that and it would def be possible and a way to addict people lolol. Purely anecdotal tho lol
You know there was a huge conspiracy that this was true due to a patent that riot passed and someone came across it called "Behavior Pattern Matchmaking" (I may be messing the name up but I am sure you could still find it if you looked it up), Even though it was a patent they own, they never claimed to use it any of their games, but alot of people think that they do indeed, use it.
Hello! You couldn't have said it better, it is exactly what is going on - my work schedule is adjustable so I can sometimes spend day or more grinding ranked(I only play ranked) and when I'm playing a lot (might even be on a winning streak), there is a certain break when you feel as to the MMR is giving you unplayable games just because you were doing soo good. Then I just drop the game for a few days, and I go back with a "fresh" approach and the MMR is giving you good games. What I've somehow understood is - I have to catch the moment before, or at least all of a sudden you get a player that completely isn't in right place as tho of less skill/knowledge of the game. If this would not have happened to me more than a dozen times it would be hard to believe such focused style of match ranking!
Its called engagement optimized matchmaking, or EOMM for short if you want to check it out
@@attix12 Is that the patent? You might be right actually, I was trying to remember the name because its been years
@@brennenwolf its the patent that EA owns but is being rented out by many other companies. There is a whole academic study about it and its absurd. The game basically exploits your desire to win and intentionally puts you in massive win and lose streaks to get you hooked and keep your win rate close to 50 as as possible, in short lol.
Its disgusting really and the change is obvious to old seasoned veterans like me. Ive been playing since the closed beta when they were giving out king rammus keys to high elo dota1 players. Since then, the matchmaking system has obviously been drastically changed, as in previous seasons you could easily reach 60-70% win rates, tfblads even had 84 at some point in challenger. Now it is very rare to see someone over 60 lol. And its been like this ever since they sold the game over to china.
I could go on a win streak or lose streak or straight up 50/50, doesn't matter. I always lose 28+ and win maybe 18-24. So i've never understood the LP gain/loss. It's like I am punished more for losing than being rewarded for winning. Definitely very discouraging for someone to want to lay when you're never rewarded after a hard fought win no matter the elo, you lose one game and you get shit on by the mmr/LP system.
After this video he got invited to riot and was never seen again.
LMAOOOOOO I made it out alive!
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We need to have mmr removed completely.
Go to pure ranked matchmaking getting matches vs within 3 divisions of yourself or if in a duo it goes off the higher rank of the duo.
You get a fixed amount of Lp
win/loss. Can give more Lp on a streak.
they use these numbers and systems to keep people addicted and playing. they dont care about the quality as long as it puts distance between you and the rank you think you deserve. the longer you grind the more successful they feel about it
this is exactly how dota2 ranked systems work, except there is no duo queue contributing to solo mmr, there is solo and party mmr.
the mmr system does have advantages of making sure smurfs arent in the lower elo for long, but at the same time, there is nowhere near the smurf problem in dota2, because it places you closer to your mmr, and it takes longer to climb
Removing MMR completely, I can agree on that. Getting fixed amount of LP - couldn't disagree more.
I think they don't have to change anything, except making MMR visible. Would fix almost everything.
My biggest annoyance is why did they take away the ability to actually view our own individual MMR.... That's what makes no sense to me tbh
@@brennenwolf It does make sense from their perspective. They don't want people to know what losing and what winning means, so they can interpret it in their own way.
The blue/red side thing was mind blowing 🤯 I never thought about it that way but it makes so much sense that riot compensates the lower MMR team by giving them blue side
it actually makes sense. notice the blue side always kinda have the advantage when invading farm on level 1?
Except it's a myth. You can find plenty of instances just looking through a site like mobalytics that tells you the average rank of each team that prove this statement false. Just like LS claiming you win more LP if you win from the blue side. It's a myth that is easily debunked.
that's basically loser/winner queue
I think red side is easier
@@JoshDoesthat's usually just because of higher mmr players. Also when snowballing towards a win it is better as baron contests are harder for enemies and more game changing. Overall the pit design favors the side of the river the pit is on for contesting it
The guy literally explained losers queue in 3 different possible ways
Maybe even more tbh
i see you in the comment section of a lot of fruitloaf's content exposing losers queue. this chad also did a fine job exposing it
I think i hit the absolute worst part of this shit. Gaining +16 lp when winning and losing -30 lp. Winning 3 and losing 2 still puts me -12 lp. Absolutely frustrating. Riot just discouraging people like this in every part of the game. Fix this cursed ranked system.
Im kinda glad to hear, that Im not the only one experiencing these weird lp gains right now.
It honestly feels like you are getting less lp the more games you win. Straight the opposite of how it was before.
Maybe they somehow didnt adjust the mmr and how it changes after removing the promos entirely?
But thats just a wild guess, Im have acutually no clue.
So I had a pretty harsh start into the season ended up in e3 after like 30 games. I then went on like a 30 games win streak climbing to d1.
In the meanwhile my lp gains dropped from +30 to +20 and Im loosing -28/29.
I was pretty much d1 with 53% winrate and now am slowly dropping towards d4 while maintaining my 53% winrate.
Its really strange.
you won 30 GAMES IN A ROW!?!?!? If that's true then your LP SKYROCKETED, but your MMR couldn't keep up, so the gains couldn't keep up with how fast you were climbing, you will def even out over time but I have NEVER seen a 30 game win streak that is insane lmao, Congratulations
WTF what champs do you play? OP GG? Like I am stuck in Emerald 4 , hit many 4 win streaks to Emerald 3 , even at one time I was a game away from Emerald 2, and that took so many games because gain 18 , lose 28. Now if it was the old system of even lp gains I would been Emerald 1 at peak. New system is making you play double the amount of games and more hard stuck it’s crazy.
My main was d1 last season but I ended plat because I roleswapped to jungle for competitive and used it to practice.
I got +17 and -28 in Emerald 2.
After a 40 minute 410 cs 14/4/19 game loss where my whole team was legit 40% winrate while I am sitting on 58%...
I decided to say "fk it" and transfered my main to a different server for 2 weeks and then gonna transfer it back. I am not gonna play 300+ games just to make Riot believe I am a d1/master mmr midlaner while I can play on a new account and get diamond within 35 games... Its an absolute joke right now.
It is quite interesting that they seem to cater to the "New" Players instead of their loyal Player base
that's exactly what im planning to do too. league's mmr system is messed up
but what's stopping me is my skins. i used a lot of money on my acc i cant just leave it. really
They don't. MMR is stickier than rank, and that fact explains every thing people are bitching about and debunks all of these narratives.@@brennenwolf
i have 60% winrate on my main, getting literally no joke 16-18 lp and loosing 28-30 lp. I'm stuck emerald 4 and cant get out. Please tell me if your server transfer worked. I literally win 5 games in a row, am at 95lp or something and then loose one and am back at 65lp and need 3 games to win
imagine if they took this whole LP BS out of the game and let us play with the MMR again. However, that would make too much sense I guess...
Would destroy the rigged sht system they built up. :D
Now that wouls be interesting.
Very informative. This helped me understand a lot of the trouble ive been facing in lp gain and matchmaking. Also i think ill start dodging blueside games lol
you don't know in advance on which side you are
But those are 70% win games. Red side is harder
I dont think you need to dodge for side of map my friend, I would save your dodges for Champ Select diff, when the enemy just has an insane team comp
@@yasinahmed640 in the lower elos (below diamond) - having better teammates is so much easier to climb with than having a slight terrain advantage.
I'm gonna share my experience with ranking duo in this season
For context, I started playing at the end of season 7 so I started ranking in S8, not much, ended the positions games in silver 3 maybe, played some more games ans then never ranked again until this season because I had an awful internet connection and a crappy 2009 PC.
My MMR sucks because I barely played casual arams or normals until 2019 and didn't played league since 2020 until 2022, and my micro game was awful too, so I didn't have a good performance then.
I have been playing duo with a Masters ADC main (he used his alt/smurf account) and I've used some tanks supports, and we started playing from bronze to emerald.
It is true that if you're playing with a duo, the system will try to match you against other duos, and it will face you against +200LP. But if the system can't find a duo, it could match you againt +400LP or even more difference. For instance, I was ranked at silver 2 maybe and I was against gold 1/ plat 3. It was crazy the difference.
Once you start win streaking, the system will slowly put you in a "smurf queue" and you will find more often these bigger differences in elos. You also start wining more LP. I started getting +26 LP and now the system gives me +34 LP in average, my highest has been +37. Right now we have slightly over 60% wr in almost 50 games, and we are in plat against low emeralds, like emeral 4/emerald 2.
I want to mention that weird things starts to happen when you start dodgning games. For instance, my duo had higher MMR so he dodged 2 games in a row just so we can keep playing, and we had a 8 win streak. Suddenly the queue changed for a bit. We lost 5 games in a row, the first 2 of them were well deserved because we played it poorly, but the other 3 games we had an excellent performance but our teammates were so bad they were constantly throwing the game. It felt like a punishment for dodging before and it was like we were paired with people that got there because they were carried and they didn't have the level it's supposed to be in that elo, and since it wasn't gold or some low elo, we couldn't recover. There were several people on our team that were in a "losers queue". So just in case, don't dodge unless strictly necessary.
The MMR gets higher the better you play, even if you win or lose. Dodging games got so nerfed that I don't think it's worth it.
Myd advise would be: don't be a kda player, that won't increase your MMR. It will make you get stuck but with nicer numbers. If you can do your part correctly, get killed and even don't get any kill, but your team gets a significant advantage, you better take it.
Thank you for the comment and sharing your experience my friend!
So you basically duo with someone that carries you? If I was you I wouldn't be too proud of that rank, because u didn't earn it yourself. Just like guys that buy a boost your rank doesn't mean anything. The best feeling is when you achieved the desired rank by blood, sweat and improvement.
@@leeroyjenkins3209 not exactly, the hardest part for me was getting out of low elo hell, I was positioned in iron and was getting out of there by myself but it took me longer because I had bad teammates which most of the time didn't follow my calls and was doomed if my teammates lost their lane because they couldn't recover. I think the worst is at bot extremes of the spectrum of what is considered "low elo" because in iron they won't understand the calls and in silver they won't follow your calls because they think they're right and you wrong because is an unknown thing for them what you're proposing.
A lot of people in low elo play either too safe or fight with everything at anytime without thinking around objectives or resources that gives an advantage to the team, even they fight in disadvantage because they don't know their limits. So winning becomes more and more random and less controllable.
Having a premade allows you to remove part of that randomness of winning or losing because it's a more coordinated and consistent teammate which you're constantly communicating through voice chat. I had over 60% wr playing by my own in low elo as an top and adc, and with a premade allowed me to win streak so hard that I got out of bronze 1 up to gold 1 in maybe 25 games or so which would've taken me far more games if I didn't have his help. That's why the system tries to match me with +400LP lobbies. Also, take in consideration, if I didn't deserved that elo, we would've taken far more games to climb and my MMR would b so bad I'd win just +22LP instead of +34 or something like that. Also I have been playing by my own lately. I'm doing good in mid and supp. If I didn't deserve it I would be demoted a long ago.
Sorry for having close friends and climbing together, I didn't know it was a crime, and the punishment of such crime was being unentitled to my rank
One thing to note as a general idea of sorts that could benefit the ranked system is to make ranked accessible form a later level account lets say something like lvl80 then you would have time to adjust mmr and there wont be much of an incentive to jump accounts and have plat mmr lvl 30 accounts where in general you wont know if people can even play at that skill level
Good point, think that would be good for the ladder, but bad for the player experience though
Holy shit, that last topic makes so much sense.
My winrate Red side is significantly higher and theyre usually lopsided wins. Hmm... im gonna start dodging if im blue side now.
I think I learned a TON about the system as well from this video, Both of my accts are climbing like crazy since I came back from my break
I had a huge lose streak this split and went from g4 to s4 0lp with red exclamation mark. My lp ratio was like +17/-28 and i thought it’s gg for this account. I didn’t play poorly, my botlane always lost their lane harshly so i couldn’t really do much (i played top). It all changed after i picked up fiora and started to solo carry. Now im in g4 again with +29 gains and g1/p4 mmrs. The system actually let’s u bounce back even if your account isn’t that fresh, and i fixed it in like 20 games maybe
ok then i just trolled very hard so i go from plat 1 to gold 1, +15 - 30
Glad to hear you got your account back to normal and are enjoying Fiora! That's awesome
i got like a 75% wr in the last 40 games. went from emerald 4, 0LP (+23 points) to now emerald 1 gaining +15LP.
uhm what is your winrate in emerald tho@@moveback7913
It's nice to know that someone's else's research matches my research pretty spot on.
We are cracking the code
As a match making user veteran, both the 50% force and 75% force types, from LoL s1, Dota1 & 2, SC2, War3, OW (Riot and Blizzard employees have always been very close), The things this guy talks about make waaaaaaaaaaaaay more sense than any garbage Riot PR says is true. Who is this guy, I was always very curious about how SBMM works because it's really the soul of every comp game. How does one learn all these things? Honestly seems like an industry worker rather than any guy who is just interested in games.
Are you referring to the person I am interviewing? Hes a good friend of mine but he has experience within the LCS and behind the scenes with coaching as well
Would love to see more of you and Mason discussing how ranked, mmr and lp work. It was really interesting to me as a new player.
Me and him are actually thinking about starting a League Podcast where we just talk about anything and everything, I enjoy our dynamic and we are both extremely passionate about league and I think it would be a fun thing to try out :D
@@brennenwolf hell yea go for it man
This is what has stopped me playing. Last season i started off insane, best ive ever done out the gate.. was at 74% wr after 80 games but my LP was just not adjusting. There was then a very common trend of me having lower ranked, negative wr players on my team but the other would have 1-2 higher tiered players.. as we all know negative wr indicates either that they are not at the right rank or are toxic.. i had this for the next 50 games till i just gave up. Its by far the least rewarding ranking system of any game and the fact they do these tactics to make you play as many games as possible is wild, id play more if i was at the level i should be at. Adding ranks has made it worse imo, hence why i stopped playing.
rose up ranks in one of my accounts which were platinum 2 seasons ago and got to emerald. suddenly my lp gains decreased so much that I was getting +17 -29 every game. I had over 60 percent win rate at the time. quit playing on that account and started a new one. after my first 3 games, I was already at platinum 4 with emerald mmr lol. It is terrible how a company can mess things up this much.
Lmao... wow... Thats just, insane man
I also started to notice that, the closer you are to peaking, Riot will use EOMM to keep you hooked. It became specially obvious in S13 with the introduction of Emerald messing up the LP scales. I peaked Gold IV once few years ago. Every single season I get closer to S1, I start getting horrible matchmaking. This season became so obvious because I put my game in order and started winning, to the point I had 19 wins over loses, and a 65% WR per 20 games. The moment I hit S2 92LP, I got an absurdly long combo of unplayable matches. I even checked some op gg profiles to just see if I was tilting and inting, but I found things like a 43% (overall) WR BRONZE Ashe placed in the same match, and she got put in a Iron II level match after.
I'm seriously considering leveling up a fresh account by hand to see if I'm going crazy with this theories or Riot is messing up ranked.
Note: I was winning 24LP and losing 20LP the moment it started to happen. So no bad MMR.
If you level a new account with the skill set you're at now you'll probably be Gold in no time not gonna lie... Which is a flaw in the system imo
Historically speaking, Silver 1 and Plat V (now Plat IV) have been always problematic MMRs because somehow the system has hard times providing players a "balanced" match.
From personal experience, whenever I'm climbing through Plat, in the 4th division most games are decided by which lane gets the "free win" ticket, meaning getting casually matched with Silvers/low Gold. I promise these games are the most frustrating experience you can get in LoL, way worse than a Janna Master tier supporter getting autofilled top against a top main.
Most high Diamond players will never ever notice that, simply because when you win +60 and lose -15 even if you overall lose a couple of games more you don't care and won't affect your win rate that much, since you're better than the lobby you're in anyways. So yeah, maybe you lose a game or two, but within 2-3 wins you're out of it so you'll quickly forget.
For players trying to climb or genuinely improving, this will be a nightmare to deal with since the system doesn't give shit about you being D4 skill wise while having a P4 MMR. After 100 games your MMR will be so fucked up that even if you're the best player in the room you will still be stuck in P4, better to make a new one and climb to D4 (maybe even higher, if you're a bit lucky) in probably half of the games.
Other than that, I'm not even totally convinced about Riot being totally transparent about that since they decided to "hide" MMR but keep using it to determine which players will be in a certain match. So basically there's a value, you cannot see and barely affect that determines if you're going to win or lose a game unless you're miles ahead in terms of skills/game knowledge.
Best!
12:59 Duo parrity? Man, I even send a ticket to support when in my team everyone was solo playing ranked and opposite team had TWO god damn pairs of duoing people in SOLO queue. This is pure cancer playing SOLO queue as solo player versus few dudes who have voice communication and know each other's playstyle.
Did they respond to the ticket?
13:38 yeah... I am Gold IV and gaining +25/26 per match but still being matched with bronze players. That makes sense now.
The odd thing is that my duo has a lower rank than me.
When I started playing a year ago this was my first moba game, I was expectedly bad and hopped into ranked and ran it down, like 0/10 stuff. I got a lot better, but I found the game more fun casually with friends doing off meta or just messing around. I eventually got to 0 lp iron 4 and my mmr was yuumi bot level.
Fast forward and more of my friends get into the game and they want to play ranked, only problem is that they have insane +50 lp with no negative loss and they got placed in gold, I can't play with one of my friends until I'm silver.
I started to solo climb and got to bronze 4 with a +15 -30 lp the whole time on average, my only question is: why does my lp not improve when I have a 65% winrate over 70+ ranked games? Not to sound conceded, but when a player has a consistent WR above 55% they are usually the difference maker and don't belong in that elo, its basically smurf queue.
To be fair, if you genuinely played ranked all the way down to Iron 4 0 LP... That account is going to take 2-3 Years of a 65% wr to fix in this system... esp any losses you took at 0 LP in Iron 4... Even tho your LP stays at 0 LP, your MMR continues to go down as well :/, at that point I would recommend leveling a new account to see where you actually belong in ranked
@@brennenwolf Yeah I’ve been told that, thing is I got too many skins, champs, and masteries/eternals to give that account up. I hovered around iron 3 really and never played ranked unless it was with friends so I don’t have many losses at iron 4 just an even win rate at iron 3 mostly. I only really JUST started playing ranked after only doing draft and other rotational modes on that account for a year.
I’m just hopeful for the new lp changes next year, that’s all I can really look forward to because even a small loss streak can set me back multiple divisions, but climbing takes exponentially more wins.
@@AnimeisGarbage Is this your first season actually playing or should I say "Grinding" Ranked and trying to win?
@@brennenwolf First season actively trying to win in ranked, but I started playing halfway through s12. I actually started playing as a joke cause I kept calling my friends losers for playing league lmao, but I actually really like the game, can’t say I like mobas though, dota 2 was boring.
@@AnimeisGarbage Yeah I think league is almost like a genre of its own, because typically MOBAs are much slower than league is lol
10:20 in this sektion they talk about if you have peaked in a rank winning maybe 25 games in a row and started losing lp gains, explanation: riot does not like accounts gaining massive winstreaks because it can be seen as a boosted account, so preferably if you want to keep your lp gains you should win 3 games then lose and keep that pattern to consistantly climb and have the Same mmr because your account Will be closer to 50% wr which riot loves accounts to have because that is the 25+- lp mmr
Its not recent, but at one time when i was trying to get gold several seasons ago, I had a 70% win rate but was going down in rank because i grew fast enough that i was gainin 12lp per win and losing at least 24lp per loss
I've been seeing this alot in the comments, When you win streak hard the game doesn't think you deserve the rank so it tries to pull you back a bit, but if you stay consistent and play well it will even out over time
The lp gaines are consistent in low mmr, but less consistent in higher mmr because there are less players in high mmr. So the mmr difference in the teams is often higher
Actual Good Point
I've went from 54% wr D2 (barely holding D2, +23/-25) last split, to Masters 65% wr, with 26/27+ and -24/25.
No clue what happened, but on new accs its even easier, while im average at best.
Don't think i've ever encountered +17 -27, this would feel bad to even bother going to queue
I've never personally experienced it before either but I've seen it a lot in my coaching sessions and its absolutely insane, I would just... not even have fun playing at that point idk
The last i ever played anything remotely close to serious is S3 and I only got to Plat 1, somehow after years of not touching the game. I am now in Iron matched with silver/gold, while I am absolutely getting dumpster sitting on my tower and zoned out. Make its really hard to justify ever coming back to play league at all no matter how much friends or streams try to convince me to.
I mean... I cant blame you, that does sound really unenjoyable :/
My MMR is so crazy lately. I win two games and get exactly 30 LP, but then I lose just one game and it's -30 LP. Everything I gained I just lost in one game, it's so discouraging.
I have personally started to Lose over 30 Randomly in masters+ as well, I have no idea WHAT is going on anymore
So i started improving finally and jumped up to emerald rank. I was getting +27 +28 in platinum 1. I started getting +18 +17. Got demoted from very troll games with tilted players that wanted to quit/afk. Now im getting the same lp gains in plat 1.. how is this fair? I have to play solid every single game and hope one of my team mates doesnt shit the bed entirely and give up- the only solution is win more games, but in games i play well which is most i have to just pray someone doesnt int? jg / top going 0/7 in 10 mins should not be a thing in that elo.
Also the fact there is still no real time LP mitigation for people actively trolling games is crazy. They seem to be quite hot on chat bans currently however.. hmmm
idk ive always been high silver every season, reach gold before then suddenly this season after not having played for a while it threw me straight to iron 4 with like +13 for a win and -27 for a loss and now having climbed up to bronze again with an over 77% winrate my lp gain to loss ratio is still absolutely horrible, seems like my mmr balance has barely changed, also not to mention im always put on the side with the horrible team mates with low winrates vs the team with higher winrates and higher overall rank
scratch that now im getting -30 for a loss, like mmr imo is so broken with how it currently works, it seems that it progesses way slower than lp while increasing and decreasing at the same rate making it near impossible to actually increase it to your rank if it is significantly below it
I think you would benefit from Leveling up a new account, Think it would give you a better representation of your actual rank, that accounts seems to be quite doomed :/
I am having the same issue. This game is trash as fuck.
@@brennenwolf everyone tells me that but i dont want to when i have like every champ and alot of skins, the game shouldnt be setup in a way where its easier to get higher rank on a new account anyway people say the way it is setup is to stop boosters but if anything it makes boosting easy if you just play 20 games with a diamond on a new account to get to diamond
i honestly think my winrate is so high my mmr just cant keep up at all cause it increases too slowly
i thought my account was doomed when i got like 19 to 20 lp in bronze 1 but then i started to win alot more games cause of a strat with my duo and now im gaining 30+lp in plat 4
The Redemption Arc! We love to see it!
I was peaking from gold 3 all the way to plat 1 and my mmr start to decrease dramatically like my games were +19 -28 and I wasn't even duoing which is very weird
If you went on a huge win streak then the game is trying to slow you down because it thinks you are moving too fast, MMR is lagging behind your LP, it will catch up in time, but will be frustrating for a while...
it wont catch up if i keep winning right? @@brennenwolf
I'm stuck emerald 4/3 cause litteraly everytime i win more game, I win less lp. its almost worst when i win more game in a row. My last win gave me +17, I dont understand
Tldr: MMR will dictate your rank and the lobbies you play in.
MMR higher than rank = good gains.
MMR lower than your rank = negative gains.
Winstreaks on ”stuck accounts” will kill your gains short term, because your LP climbs faster than your MMR.
Dodging and remaking will boost your gains, because you are losing LP not MMR.
Fresh accounts have inflated MMR gains, so it’s very easy to inflate yourself to a rank you don’t deserve short term.
You have the rank you deserve on your main.
MMR and LP gains are completely irrelevant, if you want to actually climb and improve.
Focus on the game rather than your accout and other useless gimmicks
i was 99 lp silver 1 then lost all the way to bronze 4 with some wins here and there, now im losing 27 lp per game and only gaining 18 or 19, how am i supposed to climb back and why would i ever want to continue playing ranked if its literally impossible to climb?
ahhhh.... Yeah... that definitely does not feel good at all... It may be a new account angle my friend, as unfortunate as that sounds, it will fix your current gains and losses and you'll probably start off in silver
last season i had a 60% winrate but was gaining 10LP and losing 29 per game i legit ended lower then i started with a 60% wr
+10!?!?!? Thats insane I dont think I have ever seen it that bad before... wow I am so sorry
i was emerald 1 with 60+ wr a month ago (havent played since) and my lp gain loss was something like 12-18/-26-30, also playing as an adc main the most unforgiving role in this game atm which is something the algorithm knows at this stage, yet i had to endure zombies and griefers like minimum 1 out of 3 games. nobody is faker and faker isnt perfect but the game itself is made by humans. i wont play ranked until they fix this and honestly lol is actually starting to enter the blizzard phase imo.
Yup and that’s why this video is garbage. I was literally 70% winrate in E2 and had the same gains/losses as you. People saying “your mmr hasn’t caught up with your win streak”. Then people say when you have a negative winrate and you lose more than you gain “you have to win streak to fix your mmr”. Nobody has an explanation for it except they’re doing it to just keep you where you are. Riot entered blizzard phase since season 9
This is not a single player game. This is a team sport. Riot has publicly mentioned that they want to keep your gameplay experience at a 50/50 win loss ratio. How do you keep the win rate of a player with a high mmr and win rate closer to 50%??? The answer... Riot riggs your match making by giving the opponents the better pool of players to select and gives your team worse pool of players to select.
I don't really care, i'm d2 fiora otp with +19-27, i will keep playing until +5-40
I respect it
I placed silver 1 2 seasons ago no lp issues this last season I started at bronze 2 and rose straight back to silver 1 with a 70% wr and it just started doing +15 -27 and just to climb slowly I would have to maintain 70% wr and obviously I'm not good so I didn't bringing me back to silver 3 where I finally decided to just make a new account which got placed gold which finally made me decide to quit as it's super fucking rigged. I'm now like 6 months sober.
I resumed playing around 2 weeks ago after a 3 year break. I went from Silver 4 to Emerald 4 in this time, constantly gaining 37-38 LP per game. I have a 63% winrate. Why do I gain so much?
They think you are a Diamond player, or at least your MMR is Diamond at the moment, so the game is trying to get you to where it thinks you belong basically, it should even out the more you climb
this deffinetly has to go, they took elo system and overcoplicated it. only serves to promote buying freshs and not even play on your own main that you been playing for 11 years, they act like everyone has time to equalise their mmr with 2k games
Hi, recently, I just faced 3 out of 4 games against double duos and everybody was solo on my team, do you have any explanation for that?
Were they a lower rank than your team?
@@brennenwolf nope, same rank all Diamond 1 2
The game can't match duos 100% of the time. In very high ranks, there's just not enough players playing at the same time within the same MMR who also need to be duo and to cover needed roles, so sometimes it will forfeit matching duos for the sake of not waiting 30+ minutes in queue.
So riot removed all promos to fix the lp gain problem hahaha RIOT lieing to us once again Lmao.
They said they remove promo to make it easier to climb because of the whole new division but instead it looks like they did it because more and more people complained about there mmr system being flawed.
"lieing to us" they never said a reason for it other that it is less frustrating and it was already in wild rift.
nah they did that to make gold hardstuck get that dopamine and get addicted more to game by reaching new peak called platinum
I had a 90% winrate over 40 games with one tricking a champ and I was getting 8 lp and losing 16. why?
When was this?
@@brennenwolf About two years ago, I think. Then I took a long break because it didn't make any sense.
200 games into plat/emerald. my win rate is now rising in the last 50 games I had avg win rate of like 66% went from plat 1 to emerald 2 compared to the 50% of the first 150 games but my lp gains are now at 19 and I lose like 27 so thats fun
still confused on how i went on a big loss streak emerald 1 42 lp to emerald 3 zero lp with only two wins in-between that.... I won one game at 0 lp emerald 3 and gained high 20s... continued going on a 7 games win streak and started getting 15-17 in the last two games then lost one for -30 lp
There seems to be something that has changed in the last month or so that is effecting everyone right now, It seems that nearly everyone is struggling, even I went from masters 250 to Masters 100 While maintaining a 55% WR... Just seems a little ridiculous rn
So why isnt anybody talking about losers que? How "magically" and "randomly" you get paired up with 4 people with 20% win rate, feeding in every single game while the enemy team is rocking 55-70% win 4-5 kda rates against you. Nowadays I don't play on my main after hitting emerald because the lp gains are atrocious. Made a new account, easily within 4 days i got that one to plat 1 and the games are night and day difference, it's wild.
Silver 4 Account. -28 on a loss +18 on a win over 6 months. Needs 65% win rate to hold rank. Held rank. Got the Victorious Anivia Skin as a Silver 4 LUL. Rito LOL
Started ranked last season as a support main and adcs had so much Main character syndrome I move to top lane and I'm doing much better I even have a 68% wr on one champ across 81 games, so I'd say thats a decent sample size, but I cannot climb, I go on a winning streak and get autofilled JG/MID/Supp and lose and even when I play top and win I only get 15LP a win and lose 29LP a loss, I only went from Bronze IV to Bronze II.
With those types of gains and losses, you're unfortunately going to have to maintain that 60% Win Rate for another 200 games as it slowly fixes itself with this current system
This video was amazing I noticed recently that I was loosing more LP than I got for a win and now I get why great vid thank you!
Thank you for watching and for the comment my friend, I really appreciate it
that shit is just annoying af. Had a bad start of the season because my team kinda trolled me permanently. 18 wins 30 loses something like that. After that actually got normal people in most of my games which ended in a 58%winrate over the last 80 games. Still gaining 19-22 and losing 27-30. Wrote a ticket to riot and they said i just had to play more games. Dude... i dont want to spend my whole life in league i already play it like every evening. How is it possoible that i play 100 games+ and the system still cant get my mmr right. I effectifly cant climb. Been between Emerald 4 and 2 the last 2 months. As soon as i reach Emerald 2 i gain +22max literally have to have 3-4 winning streaks kind of in a row to finally reach diamond.
It's funny how every toplaner i encounter in ranked goes 0 10 ever since i got to plat. I was getting +32 -22 now i'm getting like +22 -24 and cant get out of plat no matter what i do
Around 100 Games into the new season is when your MMR will even out and have you set where they want you to be, You typically get a "Boost" for your first 50-100 Games in a Season/Split
I started this season as gold 1, after placements and many many games I got to em1 with 50% win rate and now I gain 19 pl and loose 29.... I played a lot of games with a friend who was one entire division under me, may that be the cause? I dont understand
Well youre playing at a lower MMR, so that means as you gain LP your MMR Growth is stunted and not keeping up
Definitely interesting listening to all of this, I play ranked casually and don't have the time to grind it out these days, but I'm Emerald 4 right now and my games are with D1 and Master players which I'm fine with, each win I gain on average 41 LP, I'm wondering is it this high that they want me to push to Masters or something else?
Your MMR is High Diamond Low Masters, so if thats the case theyre basically trying to help you get to your "Rank" Faster
I'm actually on Emerald 1 with 55WR over 200 games throughout this short split and I get +21 -29, it's really discouraging
Understandably as well, Makes players very unmotivated to play
@@brennenwolf 1 thing that didnt get mentioned in this video i think is that the higher division you are the less lp you also get. meaning emerald 4 low points gets more lp then emerald 1. so that its easier to move from emerald 4 to higher divisions but harder to actually get to diamond.
dk if that is official but i heard it somehwere or maybe my experience. well i will see if i reach dia 4 on my emerald 1 account where i get +15lp if i get more lp in dia 4
MMR is more complex than we previously thought lmao..
It seems to be that way lol
One of my biggest questions is how does the game base your mmr on a fresh account. I’ve seen people level accounts and they just breeze through rankings and some just struggle. Is it based off performance things like assists/vision placed/ dps/ healing /deaths or is it based off wins l and losses
Its based off your normal games MMR as you were leveling the account, so W/L Ratio, Sadly individual performance does not effect MMR
This is because riot has bugs in the code, their game is started at amateur level, but they have too much spaghetti code right now, and they do not have courage or good engineer to redesign the game. All they doing is working around a old system, doing parameter changing, which constantly introduce new problems.
League of Legends 2 when?
My problem was the fact that I played around 400 games in Emerald rank, then I started playing my otp champ and started winning a lot of games, over 65% winrate in 50 games. I promoted to Diamond 1/70LP, I started losing some games and for each loss I lost about 30LP and for wins I would gain about 19LP which was so tragic because you cant always influence the outcome of the game. With about 60% win rate in the next 100 games i wasnt able to progress further cuz each time id win id get 17-20LP and lose 28-32LP. Ultimately I ended up having around 50% win rate in the last 100ish games and I demoted from D1 to E1 (with 50% win rate)
For some reason this started happening to me as well, 55% win rate and yet I went from Masters 250 to 150, Something seems to of changed within the last month that is effecting nearly EVERYONE, and its a little ridiculous
@@brennenwolf It has happened the same to me since emerald had been implemented and reading all these comments I can see that I'm not the only one. Wouldn't you mind to make a video about all of this apparent rigged system that Riot has?
I've matched this split as a Bronze with G4-Plat4 and I'm like are yall doing this BAD?
Whats your gains and Losses?
Here’s something for you, my mmr for Aram is daimond and then in ranked it’s bronze and I’m being queen with iron players going 20+kd games losing late
To get that ARAM MMR implemented into ranked, you would need that MMR in ARAM.. BEFORE the account has ever played a ranked game
i got an aram only acocunt.. played 1 normals game in plat elo, played 1 ranked game and got gold 2 immediately after 1 promo game
Sounds about right haha
I was wondering what would be a good way to fix your mmr other than winstreaking? I've seen that data affects your games a lot like if you die on average more than other players in your elo then you will be "stuck" by the game putting you in hard games when you are winning etc.
don't think that's true. There have been times I've been on an insane losers q despite a good Kda. It's not related to deaths
@@stratosm3154 same. I think it was like this back in the day, but since past season 8-10 they changed it. I remember my biggest loss streak was around that time and it just made no sense because 3 people inted every single game when i was just doing fine, not great. but i think it wasn't like this anytime before that
This is a theory that its basically pattern based Matchmaking, but I think its more a conspiracy theory than anything, there is a Patent that was passed and researched by Riot about this specifically, but they have never come out and actually said it was implemented in League of Legends ( It still could be and maybe they are not telling us tho)
The system collects data while you’re playing. Your mmr will be fixed over time when the system has data showing you improved. That’s why challenger level players always get to challenger eventually. Their data is collected and the system determines they belong into challenger.if you suddenly play really bad the system will test you and tries to push you down, that’s why some get -28 +14. Riot said they can determine after like 3 games where a player will end up skillwise. They also know beforehand how a game is likely to turn out, I think this is very nice about the system because the system is all about improving yourself to become a better player and then you will climb, it’s that simple.
@@Mymusicaldream the system is all about spending the most time playing the game to have a chance to be where you deserve rank wise. there are other games with ranked systems that are nowhere near as predatory as leagues and other AAA comp games. you just need to come across them by playing more games and comparing how their ranked system works. apex had a great ranked system before the last year changes for example. rewarded skill above all else rather than teammate coinflip.
Reminds me how ancient shamans were explaining the weather.
This leaf is a lighter green.... there will be a tornado in 2 moons...
very imformative, and good video, i was a silver 2 90 lp with diamond 1-master 4 mmr. And those were the enemies that i were getting everygame, but for some reason riot was giving me iron players with mixed in gold-emerald (1 per game) or just iron with bronze teammates which were getting 10 deaths each at 20 minutes and it was just impossible to win a game. Now im in bronze 3, im still getting some crazy mfker from diamond in enemy, and can`t play a single game without my team having 40 deaths at 20, where i carry and lose 50 minute games
the account that i have is 3-4 year account with bronze-silver ranks on seasons btw
I've seen plat with d1 master mmr but there's no way a silver 2 gets matched with d1 haha, do you still have the match history saved anywhere?
@@BaoNguyen-vy2woActually there's been some recent cases of golds in challenger if you google it
@@BaoNguyen-vy2wo not in ranked any way. You can have that in norms but 0 % that happened in ranked
this season’s split i’ve had a 60% winrate on both darius and rammus with 100+ games and i’ve been getting +19 -27 the entire time. so trying to play more to even it out has gotten me nowhere. the only solution seems to be making a new account at this point
What's your IGN? I'm curious to see this
As a jungler, i would like to point out that dragon pit is designed much better for blue side which is likely why its winrate is higher. I find it incredibly hard to approach pit for a contest from red side but on the contrary red side is way easier to contest baron. Mostly because they have to walk all the way around pit into your teams jungle to keep you away exposing themselves and removing the junglers ability to turn if a fight breaks out because they have to stay in put for the objective
Very good point
I’m currently masters 300ish lp and I’m playing with grandmasters and challengers in almost every lobby I’m in, but I am losing 28 and gaining 21. Why is this the case? I’m playing against players that are significantly above my mmr and lp every single game and I have a very high winrate yet I keep losing so much and gaining so little. My winrate is the only thing that keeps me climbing. I literally win 6 out of 10 games against challengers and grandmasters just to stay at the same rank at 300 lp. I feel like riot shadowbanned me for inting or something, and they are screwing over my mmr secretly.
Recently (Within the last month), Masters+ players are seeing a HUGE drop off of LP games, think this was something they implemented because of how many players are in masters right now, and I think they are trying to cut the number down before the end of the season. These Gains and Losses seem to be very common lately among the high elo community
I came back to this game after 2 years and got placed p4 after my first placement, now I'm sitting on emerald 3 with 54% wr.
My question is, why do I get 20lp and lose 28lp it happened all of a sudden it wasn't a slow decrease I was on a streak I don't understand I lose like every 4th game and my lp gains still decrease I'm thinking of quitting again I thought the game got healthier
Your MMR isn't keeping up with your LP, Game thinks you're climbing too fast, its trying to hold you back, if you stay consistent and maintain your rank it will even out over time... but by time I mean like 100 games... That's the part that sucks
@@brennenwolf It's extremely frustrating because after this comment I had a 7 Game winstreak and now I lose 34 and gain 15 ..
This is stupid. If Riot wanted good matchmaking they would just stick to a single system like MMR in DotA.
New 3 splits a year just proves what Riot really wants - to keep people playing and addicted.
Its crazy that demoting is based on mmr and not lp. I know it feels bad to promote and then instantly demote but it shoulsnt be that way.
but it really doesn’t make sense i played 20 games last week and i won 16 out of 20 with 140 games and 58%wr yet i lose 28 and gain 22
Yeahhhh.... Its gonna take about 150 At that same winrate to fix it sadly...
hovering around emerald 2-4 with 54-55% win rate, winning about 17-20 and losing 28-35. it seems like 75% of my games have 1-2 "smurfs" in them, legit lvl 30-35 accounts with 100% win rate ranked duo with another account with same stats. Ive have multiple games where i shit you not the entire team was "smurfing" the highest lvl account was not even lvl 40. These account are in gold while im in emerald.. yet i could not duo with a gold player even if i wanted too. Im usually a mid diamond player each season yet i cant get out of emerald, the games seem so 1 sided every game for said reasons. very frustrating
Emerald seems to be very odd at the moment, I have some friends who were Masters Last Split and are stuck in Emerald, I have seen the footage, the game quality seems so abysmal I feel so bad for them idek
had 80% wr from 30games before this streak i got 23/24 and lost 25/26LP now i get 19 and lose 30, what is that joke company?!?!
This is happening to me as well right now... like what...
Had a 10 game winstreak on g4, after that i lost 6 games. Since then I get 17 lp per win and lose 31. That made me quit League.
Happened to me recently where I started Session Masters 50 LP... go 7-5... Masters 47 LP, I have an account thats MMR is currently bad and its so frustrating
Not seen any of this, Im like gaining 26 lp a game, with it peaking in rank skips. went from Silver 1 Last split to now Plat 1. Wondering where ill hit a wall
Hopefully never, hopefully you keep climbing and reach for the stars !
I'm playing whit my duo, I'm g1 50 LP and he's g4 0 pl, I feels like it's the opposite you said, In my team I met people around silver 1/2 and g4. Losing -27 +22/21
I'm getting +16 and -31 at 127 games with 60%WR. How is this possible? I have to win 2 games for every lost one to get 1 ("ONE") LP.
This was me on my Masters account like a month ago... had to maintain a 60% winrate through 250 games just to get it to +23 -27... lmao
When you say that you need about 80% WR in normals to have plat MMR. Do you mean normal games from lvl 30 onwards? Or just any normal game since account creation up until lvl 30?
Normal games in general, so before level 30 counts as well, (Games in which you are leveling the acct to 30)
i dont understand what leads to broken lp gains? i have been arouns p1 for longer period and few days ago after a break i started playing and went climbing and winning a lot and now i just lost 27 lp after 7 games winstrsak in emerald 3. meanwhile i was winning 18 for all 7 games. i dont understand why is this happening because while i was stil p1 i was gaining around 25 and losing around 23
Gains lower as you win steak because your MMR isn't keeping up with the LP gained basically, it will even out in time
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63% win rate nocturne 300 games i went from iron 3 to silver 3 all the time with -27 lp and +20 lp. I usulally go on a 4-6 (+80lp) games win streak then loose 1-2(-54lp)
Yeah you have climbed ALOT of iron 3, your MMR is lagging behind your LP, it should catch up in time, its just the way the system is made that makes it take forever...
BUT THE REASON IM DEMOTING ON 50 PERCENT WINRATE IS BECAUSE I LOSE MORE LP THAN I GAIN!!! ITS LITERALLY A VISCIOUS CYCLE, WHERE RIOT MAKES THE LP GAIN UNFAIR, AND THEN PUNISHES YOU FOR IT
s13 was sooo tilting omfg. i started the season playing ranked like its normal games. after 100 games i started taking it serious. after playing well consistently with like 65%wr from emerald 4 to emerald 1 90 lp, my mmr got so bad, it was +22 -30. then i for some reason had a 12 game losingstreak where each 3 games i would drop a division.. these 12 games later i was back at emerald 4 0lp where my gains ended up at +18 -32 ... i played for another 100 games with these bs gains. i was going back and forth between em4 and p1 with 60% winrate. it didnt get better AT ALL. then i quit and played on a new account. after 20 games on that new account i was emerald 4... made me quit league for a while. got a girlfriend.
now im back at it, but this season im probably making it to d4. wish me luck. lol
Good luck my friend haha, yeah season 13 was a little bit of a mess I agree
So there is a reason that people who have been only playing normals or aram and jump into ranked are matched with gold/plat when they are not even silver level of skill.
Yes there is
last season i had 70% winrate in 100 games and my gains were negative, and then i was stuck division 1 with -29 and +11, so i would get 3 wins in a row, get 98lp and then lose 1 game and get -29, also very often it feels like there is loserq cause i had to win so many unwinnable unplayable games (which many of i did win but it was VERY VERY bad and u cant win all of them so on loserq u can even lose 3 in a row -29lp and with 11 lp gain u need to go back to 99 with massive winstreak again, which again is very difficult once youre on loserq).
this season once the fresh gains are gone, i seem to gain -27 and win +22, i did go emerald 3 quickly but i still get this and losing streaks also hunt me down i could swear there is some sort of mmr balancing in queue, i outdif enemy bot as support 90%, some games i dont play as good but still.
is my acc doomed? i dont want to make another winrate smurf, i like skins on my acc. till i get it to mid dia its gonna take a lot but i guess its better than +11 -27
+22 -27 is an EZ Fix, just need time and to continue playing well, +11 on the other hand, is unheard of and I have never seen that in my entire life, I would've given up on that account a long time ago ngl :/, but you seem to have it back in check now so Just need to keep playing well and keep playing
i stopped playing ranked at all because of current mmr system, last season i grinded d4 for the first time, got there with around 60% wr ended up with around d3 mmr, decided to take a break after because i got burned out, came back like a month and a half later i was plat 1 that fine decay is no big deal, but for some reason my mmr dropped so low that even playing around 20 game with 70-75% in those games and i fucking lost lp and mmr still stayed crap so i just gave up on ranked period from that point on, tryed a bit of ranked this season, got placed in gold 2 i think, got up to plat with a win streak and lp gains started going negative again so yeah.. i dont play ranked anymore. they could atleast let us manually decide if we want to completely reset our mmr/ elo to start fresh on the same account
Thats actually really odd... You don't lose MMR when you decay, and its actually a popular strat in high elo to BOOST MMR, so lets say someone is 500 LP Grandmasters, some people will tank 200 LP from decay to fix their MMR and then come back, I am not sure what happened with your account, something doesn't seem right
@@brennenwolf well that was the first time something like this happened to after decay cuz i would stop playing for a while after every single bigger grind. this particular time demotivated me completely tho and the moment i saw that nothing changed after 20 games or so i just gave up and decided to not play ranked period. i probably should have tryed to contact someone in riot about it cuz maybe something just gone wrong but its far too late now. maybe decaying over a division was the problem, i really have no clue
Im losing 28 to 30 lp per match. The time i noted in this instance, i had lost to a bunch if silvers as a bronze
I'm sorry but at the end of the day mmr or not I feel like I should NEVER end my day loosing lp overall if I do like 5W/3L and that what happens to me right now.
I need 3 games to actually catch up with a loss and that's frustrating and doesn't feel good at all...
That sounds miserable man.... What rank are you? Maybe you could start a new account and try hard on that one and use your current one for warming up or if you're tilted?
english is not my native language but here's what i think i understood. so normal match making increases our MMR but only for those who have never played rank match therefore new acounts. is that it? or it also works even if my account is over 400+ and spam winstreak on normal, it will increase my mmr?
my rank is emerald 1-2 (was diamond before emerald was out) and my lp gain is about 22 and lose about 25-27
It only worked on accounts that have never played ranked before!
I'm getting about equal lp on wins and losses in solo duo silver, but i'm getting +41 in my rankeds wins in low plat in flex. I don't get why the difference, and i've been playing both alone anyways
I ranked up from bronz 1 to plat 3 and I get 18-19 lp lose 29 (I have 15win 5 lose last 20 match and 8 win streak now)
so i am plat4 right now .... win gives me 19 lp and lose -27 ... is it even worth playing since the only thing that can happen is demoting to gold ?
I think youre not too far off the path, if you continue to play well and maintain your rank it should fix itself in about 50-100 Games