All the work you had to put to explain veterancy really shows how appreciative we should be for games like Deserts of Kharak, where each unit has a tab explaining exactly what each echelon of veterancy does, and how far from the next one said unit is... ... And then to see it get focus fired and blown before you could even select it...
I played Hw2 a lot so i didn't even know you could have 13 star spartan tanks. The highest for wars 2 is 6. I'm interested to see your explanation on why the units you said are the only ones that matter with stars. Great video!
Why don’t you yknow, play the first game? I don’t get it, these questions would be answered if you just played the game yourself and made up your mind about it…yourself.
If you download the non-steam version of Halo Wars you can play with the Xbox community. Most of them are toxic assholes fyi. I downloaded the steam version a long time ago and could never find a game.
I play wars for an hour or so nearly every single day with my friend and have done for years. We think about veterancy all the time and exactly how it works. Amazing to see a video like this pop up!
Was playing a game against AI and had 3 Cobras that were shield (13) along with 2 other Cobras that were 3 star and it was hilarious watching a scarab pop up on my screen and almost as quickly disappear after being nuked by super units
This is very informative and helpful for improving one's gameplay in Halo Wars, I always knew the stars/veterancy did something but wasn't sure how much. So good to know the differences and best units for it and such
Pretty Good explanation for any new players coming into this. Especially since there's so many units,varierty in buildings and how games are normally played its hard to consider veterancy as a important aspect at times!!!
I always loved getting a 3 star chieftain and walking around with a flock of engineers. Also, I always went for enemy rebel bases and then came back to do the ones on my side after.
For some reason I remember trying to get veterancy on unupgraded units was quicker than after the first upgrade. Especially for cov leaders, Spartans, etc.
@@nickthompson1812 its faster having the unupgraded unit get stars simply because your jumping straight into the action. As opposed to just waiting for the unit to upgrade Upgrades don’t affect the rate of stars like I thought in the past
I knew about the Stars back in the day on the 360 when the game first came out but not about the shield. I wish more people played the game though. I have the 360 copy still and I have the Steam version on PC as well. Definitely an underrated game
Not gonna lie, I actually forgot Halo Wars has alternative game modes. All my and my buddy do is play standard over and over and over. Maybe I should see if he'd give those a swing one day.
Awesome video! In my experience, my Covie leader (after I buy the first upgrade, i.e inheritance) gets stars with a lesser amount of rebel units/bases killed, than without the upgrade. Not sure why.
This is very informative. When I first started playing years ago, I understood that veterancy makes units stronger but i did know it all worked. Thank you👌
I asked myself this for a long time, turns out (pointed out in the comments) a UA-camr during the 360 Halo Wars days made a guide about Veterancy but it no longer exists
I think the reason on some maps you gain veterancy faster with rebel bases is due the the veterancy of the units on those bases and the amount of units on those bases. Some maps have more units per rebel base than others and they have higher veterancy.
That's definitely a factor for some like Beaselys and Fort Deen. But Frozen Valley and Fort Deen have the same amount of Rebels per base (however Frozen valley does have more base locations). Good point
Me & my younger brother played with Ego a few times 😂 he’s really good at what he does 👌 always plays as Arbiter & a recruit 😂 I watched him do that rage glitch & he obviously knew I was watching as he sent me a message saying “No peaking” 😂
A little tip. Make sure that sound effects like clicking or "ultrakill" is about the same level as your voice and preferably lower cause you are the main attraction
@@antiwave5294 a new mic will do you good, but also dont forget to sound balance it. aka listen back to the video and see how "jarring" or "loud" added effects are your voice vs game sound was alright, never really got drowned out by the gun fire it was all the other stuff that made sure to jolt any headphone listener due to how load the other sounds where
The reason nobody talked about Veterancy is because the game itself told you about what it does on the main menu. But leaves it at "increases HP and damage output". And doesn't tell you that upgrading units counts as a hidden veterancy upgrade nor the faster HP regen.
I love my recommendation! Awesome video dude! I like the use for halo reach for B roll footage! I'm more a halo wars 2 fan but HW1 takes me back. Really wish 343 would stop abandoning support. But time is money.
Bases can get stars? I never knew that... I can see why they can't even if they could. Would've been funny to see 3 star turrets. enjoyed the funny moments, I can't wait to see part 2. Im curious to see why you think the units you chose are the best with full stars
Glad you enjoyed the video! I shoulda brought it up, the information was founded by a person named "Abaddon" on steam; accessed the game files and stated "Having a Spartan inside the vehicle adds an extra 1.15x damage and 0.86% damage multiplier on top of pre-existing veterancy." So plugging in the values and doing a little bit of math a 13 star power turret scorpion tank has -23061hp -661.5dps -0.64% damage multiplier on taken damage. (damage resistance) The effects of these numbers are shown in part 2
I'll explain the deal with 13 stars in part 2. The link to see the Halo Wars unit stat page is a link that can be no longer accessed normally. Use the wayback machine then copy the link from the description. Idk about Halo Wars 2.
-Jerome grants Veterancy through a leader power called Field Promotion (Ruins the whole point of earning stars) What HW2 is missing is "Rebel bases" - There's no Rebel base faction equivalent of bases on any HW2 Map , every base slot is free(ON EVERY MAP). The closest thing to rebels are the sentinels around power nodes which only give stars to infantry units at most. Because there's no units to bank on stars with beforehand the ONLY WAY to earn Veterancy is through simply killing the opponents units over and over again while keeping yours alive which already a challenge giving the unit variety Thus games are significantly faster with no effort getting expansion bases (aside from enemy players taking it from you) While many games in HWDE end without killing rebel bases the fact it's there adds a layer and another factor of something in the way
really good video, is there any info on how covenant leaders gain veterency? such as how many points they need for each star, i did try using the link in the description on the wayback machine but its not working for me
Its not really too crazy since it's a one time thing in campaign. But y'know what I'll make a miscellaneous video in the future. There only "difference" is they exceed the normal Star limit cap of base units. I'm pretty sure damage dealt & reduction has been increased.
@@antiwave5294 yea I figured they did more and took less but I always tried to figure by how much I don’t have it for pc so I can’t dissect the code for it thanks for doing this.
It's vastly different and personally not as interesting to me in comparison to the definitive edition. If you want I could work on it but it'll be awhile before I get to it
Going full tilt into the microphone meme, much appreciated on the commit! Outside of that love to see passion outside main titles, I myself haven't played the original, but still found wars 2 fun. It was a welcome change after shitting on people in Halo 3 snipers and king of the hill. Just love steamrolling the AI to see how far my bullshit goes!
So does each Star above 3 give 10% more damage and 6% damage reduction? Confused because the increases are different for each star 1-3. Wondering if there's decreasing values for the higher stars. Can't google anything about it, does anybody even know if there's diminishing returns? :0
Wait Arby gets full vet while in rage mode now? I thought he got way more unraged. Is this definitive only or both versions of hw1? Awesome video btw gonna watch part 2 now.
you answered your question in a way. You need 3 Star Spartans. (Spartan Laser aka fully upgraded Spartans) 3 Star Spartans + 3 Star Tanks = 13 Star Spartan Tanks.(3 Star tanks must be power turret) This is ignoring super units like Grizzlies and Hawks (14 Stars)
@@protonjones54 spartans provide an additional set of stars when getting into a unit. for example a spartan with no upgrades gets into a vehicle with no upgrades it gives an automatic 2 stars. He's saying if you had fully upgraded spartans but not a fully upgraded vehicle you will not have 13 stars. Upgrades count as stars like what Anti Wave said in the first chapter
Been playing for 13 years and still learned some things. Great video!
Thank you! I'm glad this video helped!
Nuts it has been out that long, just insane!
Good. But do my supplies get veterancy?
yes! the more kills the albatross gets the supplies will improve!!!!!
Veterancy gets the supplies tho
Warehouse upgrade?
All the work you had to put to explain veterancy really shows how appreciative we should be for games like Deserts of Kharak, where each unit has a tab explaining exactly what each echelon of veterancy does, and how far from the next one said unit is...
... And then to see it get focus fired and blown before you could even select it...
Exactly.... Pain researched
I played Hw2 a lot so i didn't even know you could have 13 star spartan tanks. The highest for wars 2 is 6. I'm interested to see your explanation on why the units you said are the only ones that matter with stars. Great video!
Why don’t you yknow, play the first game? I don’t get it, these questions would be answered if you just played the game yourself and made up your mind about it…yourself.
@@TaylorBloomqvistwhat’s your Lamertag? 😂do us all a favor and tell us what question he asked, before you delete your comment.
Awesome video. “They tough but they ain’t invincible” was great
Absolute W vid
My guy thanks for this.
You bet
Duuuude, Halo Wars has been downloaded & sitting in my Steam library and just been waiting to play, thank you for letting me know. Awesome Guide!
Glad I could help!
If you download the non-steam version of Halo Wars you can play with the Xbox community. Most of them are toxic assholes fyi. I downloaded the steam version a long time ago and could never find a game.
It was worth the wait. I didn’t know the wraith had a higher shield number in deathmatch. No wonder they be contending against PT
I play wars for an hour or so nearly every single day with my friend and have done for years. We think about veterancy all the time and exactly how it works. Amazing to see a video like this pop up!
I’m glad people still make vids about the OG Halo series instead of whatever trash 343i has concoct.
Very good. Thank you for this dude!
Was playing a game against AI and had 3 Cobras that were shield (13) along with 2 other Cobras that were 3 star and it was hilarious watching a scarab pop up on my screen and almost as quickly disappear after being nuked by super units
You are the one asking the real questions, thank you very much
This is very informative and helpful for improving one's gameplay in Halo Wars, I always knew the stars/veterancy did something but wasn't sure how much.
So good to know the differences and best units for it and such
Glad to be of help!
A Halo Wars Anniversary Edition would be amazing
Your Spartan in the corner is an amazing touch❤
I've always wanted in depth videos on Halo Wars
Pretty Good explanation for any new players coming into this. Especially since there's so many units,varierty in buildings and how games are normally played its hard to consider veterancy as a important aspect at times!!!
its funny and informative. i dont be on wars much yet you explain it in a way that people of all levels can comprehend. part 2!!!!!!
I always loved getting a 3 star chieftain and walking around with a flock of engineers. Also, I always went for enemy rebel bases and then came back to do the ones on my side after.
never thought i needed this till now. you really break it down and that's always a plus. part 2!!!
Now this is good content, precise and useful information, thanks king!
For some reason I remember trying to get veterancy on unupgraded units was quicker than after the first upgrade. Especially for cov leaders, Spartans, etc.
@@nickthompson1812 its faster having the unupgraded unit get stars simply because your jumping straight into the action. As opposed to just waiting for the unit to upgrade
Upgrades don’t affect the rate of stars like I thought in the past
first
God bless this man
Chad UA-camr
I knew about the Stars back in the day on the 360 when the game first came out but not about the shield. I wish more people played the game though. I have the 360 copy still and I have the Steam version on PC as well. Definitely an underrated game
Seeing 3 maxed spartan gremlins beating a scarab blew my mind and made me a believer
Not gonna lie, I actually forgot Halo Wars has alternative game modes. All my and my buddy do is play standard over and over and over. Maybe I should see if he'd give those a swing one day.
Awesome video!
In my experience, my Covie leader (after I buy the first upgrade, i.e inheritance) gets stars with a lesser amount of rebel units/bases killed, than without the upgrade. Not sure why.
Great video man I'll definitely be putting this info to the test
This is very informative. When I first started playing years ago, I understood that veterancy makes units stronger but i did know it all worked. Thank you👌
Why is this information only surfacing 14 years after release?
I asked myself this for a long time, turns out (pointed out in the comments) a UA-camr during the 360 Halo Wars days made a guide about Veterancy but it no longer exists
I think the reason on some maps you gain veterancy faster with rebel bases is due the the veterancy of the units on those bases and the amount of units on those bases. Some maps have more units per rebel base than others and they have higher veterancy.
That's definitely a factor for some like Beaselys and Fort Deen. But Frozen Valley and Fort Deen have the same amount of Rebels per base (however Frozen valley does have more base locations).
Good point
Thanks for the video
Me & my younger brother played with Ego a few times 😂 he’s really good at what he does 👌 always plays as Arbiter & a recruit 😂 I watched him do that rage glitch & he obviously knew I was watching as he sent me a message saying “No peaking” 😂
Entertaining and informative video. I look forward to the next one. And do you think you'll cover Halo Wars 2 veterancy as well?
I'll get to it at some point
A little tip. Make sure that sound effects like clicking or "ultrakill" is about the same level as your voice and preferably lower cause you are the main attraction
I'm getting a new mic soon, apparently a $150 Astro headset and OBS studio don't go very well together so onto blue yeti
@@antiwave5294 a new mic will do you good, but also dont forget to sound balance it. aka listen back to the video and see how "jarring" or "loud" added effects are
your voice vs game sound was alright, never really got drowned out by the gun fire
it was all the other stuff that made sure to jolt any headphone listener due to how load the other sounds where
You right
great video man
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
It's funny how Halo Wars lived despite bungie trying to make sure this game died.
1 odst squad with 3 stars in a tower can kill 5 shield wraths by itself
Veterancy really makes and breaks the game
The reason nobody talked about Veterancy is because the game itself told you about what it does on the main menu.
But leaves it at "increases HP and damage output". And doesn't tell you that upgrading units counts as a hidden veterancy upgrade nor the faster HP regen.
Regarding the UNSC Base health; A lockdown base with elephants in it is stronger than one without. Don't know why though
I completely forgot about that 1. Yes idky either. It's very odd
Quick question - does the increase for Spartan commandeered cobras and other non super unit unsc vehicles stay the same as 1-2-3
Nevermind seen your answer to another question that there isn’t diminishing returns, fantastic vid
I would love to play this more but everyone I play against just rushes their Spartans veterans and spams a single unit type.
I love my recommendation! Awesome video dude! I like the use for halo reach for B roll footage! I'm more a halo wars 2 fan but HW1 takes me back. Really wish 343 would stop abandoning support. But time is money.
Good job on the video.
Thank you!
Great video ❤
Bases can get stars? I never knew that... I can see why they can't even if they could. Would've been funny to see 3 star turrets. enjoyed the funny moments, I can't wait to see part 2. Im curious to see why you think the units you chose are the best with full stars
It could go that far? Damn... Time to replay
Amazing video! I don’t think I saw it in the video, but what are the multipliers on Spartan controlled vehicles with max veterancy and a ton of stars?
Glad you enjoyed the video! I shoulda brought it up, the information was founded by a person named "Abaddon" on steam; accessed the game files and stated
"Having a Spartan inside the vehicle adds an extra 1.15x damage and 0.86% damage multiplier on top of pre-existing veterancy."
So plugging in the values and doing a little bit of math a 13 star power turret scorpion tank has
-23061hp
-661.5dps
-0.64% damage multiplier on taken damage. (damage resistance)
The effects of these numbers are shown in part 2
@@antiwave5294 incredible, thank you so much for sharing!!
Spartans can get 14 stars I swear, I’ve seen it when I put them in a hawk and killed flood on release
If its not a super unit (Hawk, Grizzly) max is 13
Still no answer to one question I’ve always had. Do you get more xp from taking down other units with stars?
Good point. Probably not but I'll do a test
Veterancy arbiter for life
I WILL QUENCH MY RAGE
wow..😦. i thought the pt would win against the 3 star un-upgraded tank
I think an old HW youtuber, maybe Basista had made a veterancy guide before but all his videos have been gone for a long time.
Yeah I miss that guy's content
@@antiwave5294 Yeah me too, I miss the OG HW Mythbusters. At least team respawn carried on the torch
Big vibe
Improved
do covenant leaders gain veterency from using their powers? for example prophet and the cleansing beam
That'll be explained in part 2 but to answer your question. The Arbiter is the only leader that can gain veterancy from using his leader power.
I know it's almost been a year but did you know it's possible to get a 3 Star engineer in the mode reinforcement?
I mentioned it either at the end of the video or in part 2
I might’ve missed it but what’s the deal with the 13 veterancy. Also if there’s a link to see the stats of units for halo wars 1 and 2?
I'll explain the deal with 13 stars in part 2.
The link to see the Halo Wars unit stat page is a link that can be no longer accessed normally. Use the wayback machine then copy the link from the description.
Idk about Halo Wars 2.
Hello there
So safe to say you play more HW1 then 2. I have a question
so why is It that HW2 feel missing somehting?
-Jerome grants Veterancy through a leader power called Field Promotion (Ruins the whole point of earning stars)
What HW2 is missing is "Rebel bases"
- There's no Rebel base faction equivalent of bases on any HW2 Map , every base slot is free(ON EVERY MAP). The closest thing to rebels are the sentinels around power nodes which only give stars to infantry units at most.
Because there's no units to bank on stars with beforehand the ONLY WAY to earn Veterancy is through simply killing the opponents units over and over again while keeping yours alive which already a challenge giving the unit variety
Thus games are significantly faster with no effort getting expansion bases (aside from enemy players taking it from you)
While many games in HWDE end without killing rebel bases the fact it's there adds a layer and another factor of something in the way
really good video, is there any info on how covenant leaders gain veterency? such as how many points they need for each star, i did try using the link in the description on the wayback machine but its not working for me
I don't know why there's no stat for them. I'm gonna do a test at some point to make up my own gauge
Yo, when did Snoop dogg start playing Halo Wars lmfao 😂😂😂😂 23:14
What a great video, what's your Gamertag I've been playing for 15 years now.
Anti Wave x3
I don't know about you guys, but I would stick my thumb drive into Serina's USB port
She got a dummy thicc mainframe
Surprised you didn’t go into the odsts in the campaign that can get 6 stars is it any differnt
Its not really too crazy since it's a one time thing in campaign. But y'know what I'll make a miscellaneous video in the future.
There only "difference" is they exceed the normal Star limit cap of base units. I'm pretty sure damage dealt & reduction has been increased.
@@antiwave5294 yea I figured they did more and took less but I always tried to figure by how much I don’t have it for pc so I can’t dissect the code for it thanks for doing this.
nice
What about Halo wars 2?
It's vastly different and personally not as interesting to me in comparison to the definitive edition. If you want I could work on it but it'll be awhile before I get to it
Going full tilt into the microphone meme, much appreciated on the commit! Outside of that love to see passion outside main titles, I myself haven't played the original, but still found wars 2 fun. It was a welcome change after shitting on people in Halo 3 snipers and king of the hill. Just love steamrolling the AI to see how far my bullshit goes!
Please do hw2
I'll get to it when I can
@@antiwave5294 bless 🙌🏽
THERE'S VETERANCY IN HALO WARS ???
I think you're mistaken. There's Halo Wars in Veterancy
There are no marines to rescue in mission 7
So does each Star above 3 give 10% more damage and 6% damage reduction? Confused because the increases are different for each star 1-3. Wondering if there's decreasing values for the higher stars. Can't google anything about it, does anybody even know if there's diminishing returns? :0
All I can say is there's no decreasing values for higher stars. Be it from 1-3 or 1000
Bigger number= better stats
Wait Arby gets full vet while in rage mode now? I thought he got way more unraged. Is this definitive only or both versions of hw1? Awesome video btw gonna watch part 2 now.
How do you get 13 Star spartan tanks when you can only get 3 stars per unit??
you answered your question in a way. You need 3 Star Spartans. (Spartan Laser aka fully upgraded Spartans)
3 Star Spartans + 3 Star Tanks = 13 Star Spartan Tanks.(3 Star tanks must be power turret)
This is ignoring super units like Grizzlies and Hawks (14 Stars)
@@antiwave5294 Huh? 3 stars plus 3 stars doesn't equal 13 stars?
@@protonjones54 spartans provide an additional set of stars when getting into a unit. for example a spartan with no upgrades gets into a vehicle with no upgrades it gives an automatic 2 stars. He's saying if you had fully upgraded spartans but not a fully upgraded vehicle you will not have 13 stars. Upgrades count as stars like what Anti Wave said in the first chapter
@@warsstore oh so a fully upgraded tank plus a fully upgraded 3 star spartan equals 13 stars?
that thumbnail is absolutely fucking terrifying