White House says NO DEGREE!!
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The White House has officially endorsed skills-based hiring for cybersecurity and IT positions, recognizing that a degree is not the only path to a successful tech career. NetworkChuck breaks down this groundbreaking announcement, highlighting the importance of certifications, apprenticeships, and practical skills in landing high-paying jobs in the rapidly growing field of cybersecurity. Discover how you can take advantage of this shift in hiring practices and kickstart your IT career without a traditional degree.
Press Release: www.whitehouse.gov/oncd/brief...
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1. Skills-based hiring for cybersecurity jobs
2. White House endorses skills-based hiring
3. Cybersecurity jobs without a degree
4. IT certifications for career success
5. Apprenticeships for hands-on cybersecurity experience
6. Cisco and Pearson Vue certifications
7. SANS cybersecurity certifications
8. Cybersecurity skills in high demand
9. 500,000 open cybersecurity positions
10. Federal IT hiring overhaul
11. 2210 Series IT workforce transition
12. Skills-based hiring for federal contractors
13. Emerging technologies in cybersecurity
14. AI and machine learning skills in demand
15. Gaining cybersecurity skills through self-study
16. Affordable alternatives to college degrees
17. Changing your life with IT certifications
18. NetworkChuck Academy for IT career guidance
19. Cybersecurity community support
20. Practical skills valued over degrees
21. Cheat code for breaking into cybersecurity
22. Future of IT hiring practices
23. Government recognizes importance of practical skills
24. Overcoming degree barriers in tech careers
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The White House has officially endorsed skills-based hiring for cybersecurity and IT positions, recognizing that a degree is not the only path to a successful tech career. NetworkChuck breaks down this groundbreaking announcement, highlighting the importance of certifications, apprenticeships, and practical skills in landing high-paying jobs in the rapidly growing field of cybersecurity. Discover how you can take advantage of this shift in hiring practices and kickstart your IT career without a traditional degree.
Press Release: federalnewsnetwork.com/hiring-retention/2024/04/wh-aims-to-transition-nearly-100k-federal-it-jobs-to-skills-based-hiring/
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How many people will they fire and replace with people who have skills?...none.
2210 never required a degree.. lol
How do I find a person to be apprentice to?
But will they raise salaries to match private industry?
They don't for engineering at all.. their idea of competition is a student loan stipend they only recently started giving to new hires at the lowest pay grades.. and it's not much + it's pointless if you don't have loans like this 'skills based' hiring would definitely lean towards
i have a degree and i can’t even get an interview lmao
Same or I get the interview do very well but they chose the person that didn't interview as well but already has a security clearance. (Always trying to save money)
I too have a BA degree in Cybersecurity and cannot seem to even get past the application phase. My dream is ethical hacking, but seems to be near impossible at this point.
Ive had managers in the past literally say “yea he has his degree but this guy has experience so I went with him”. Im “this guy” lol
You gotta be gay and or a minority to get looked at now adays.
@@southsidejuni2175 Do you mind sharing what experience u mentioned that put u apart? As in like workforce experience or just a lot of self/side learning/projects.
I've been in IT for 20 years. I do regret not finishing high school, but I did a year at ITT. Everything I learned there went out the door at my first helpdesk job for D-Link, but it started making sense some months later. Mostly, I taught myself from trying to make my gaming PC faster for Unreal Tournament, which led to everything else. Now, I've been working with VMware, Azure, AWS, from home for the past 15 years. It's been a good career so far. Very thankful.
I miss the UT days. I remember my first voodoo card! I went into IT, tried to get out... went back to it and started my own business providing small business support. I lean more into network security, cybersecurity, digital forensics these days. I actually went to college for computer graphics during my "I have to get out of IT" phase in my late 20s. But here I am, back in IT.
@@hugeslacker Voodoo 3 was my first good card lol. I did the opposite kinda I went to school to learn how to make Websites...I was in the class and looked over at the IT class on the first day(I forget what it was called...computer tech something lol) and went to the office and changed what I wanted to do and took that course for the A+, learned some linux(fedora 2 back then) Novell ect.Those were good times. I work in the cloud now and its nice but it's not as fun as when I worked in a actual data center but at my age now I wouldn't want to go back.
@@RonMarshallrone I used to go to computer shows back before there were many online stores to buy computer parts back in the mid-1990s and I met a guy there who worked for an ISP..... a dial up ISP and he offered me a job so I started working there as a teenager doing websites and email config. From there I was doing cabling and then network installs. Then the company went out of business when broadband came out, and I drifted in and out of sales, retail, bartending, college, then motion capture.... And back into IT. I did a semester of computer science when I worked for the ISP, but it seemed redundant because I was already doing what we were learning. In hindsight I probably should have just stuck it out but I took one access database class and was like oh hell no. But about the computer shows, it was awesome! There were like 5 memory guys who sold nothing but ram. They had their pricing written on cardboard and you could haggle with them. There were used parts, cpus, coolers, all kinds of stuff. I would save up all year and go there and build boot magazine's (became maximum pc) dream machines. I had an ATI all in wonder, matrox m3d and a voodoo card in my first dream machine lol... That played quake 2 so good. Now I'm looking at a 4090 for an LLM build. #adulting lol
No degree but they won’t pay you higher either without it
@@kb24shortoreo21 I can't complain but I can say most people have to job hop to get their raise since most companies give tiny annual bumps so degree or not you'll get the same annual pay increases as most companies. At least in the big corp world or gov jobs. Even promotions will sometimes keep you on the same pay until you prove you can do the job.
No degree required.
Coffee required..damn!
I do not drink coffe damn 😑😂🤣
The govt doesn't provide coffee though, it's actually incredibly stupid because 'fraud, waste, abuse'... Meanwhile Congress making insider trades on the daily
@@ACOnetwork
Same 😅😢
@@ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow but I do occacionally drink cicory white coffe, it is not real coffe but let's say it is 😁
@@ACOnetworkI replaced it with diet and sleep.
I'm in the 2210 series working as a System Administrator. I've told my kids (in college now) that skills and certifications are important to get your foot in the door. It's the degree that gets you the higher pay. I'm glad to hear the government is revamping the application process. I don't know anyone with a PhD and is in IT at a help desk. Great video, thanks!
It's true, PhD holders are working in research labs developing new tech that isn't imagined yet... Or spinning their wheels imaginatively 😂
Thanks for this encouragement. I'm a military spouse who just graduated with my CS Cyberseurity Degree last year and have been working on certs. I'm taking the Sec+ this month and this news deflating and left me wondering if I just took on student debt for no reason.
Best wishes on that test, CompTIA is well respected just about everywhere. I'm set to take my net+ end of this month 😀 a good friend and coworker just got his sec+ a few months ago and because of me backfilling into his old position he got to slide into a new security position, he loves it. Hope you hit it first try, I'm sure the degree helps a lot as far as technical knowledge wise.
@@coreyfletcher1480 My guess is that it means that that AI that scans your resume won't be set to throw it in the trash if it can't find the degree. That honor will bestowed upon HR.
The pay is going to be less, not more. The gates are open for literally anyone now to apply. Just like those who get paid more by working on classified spaces. If they say a S or TS is not needed, just one week of TS training bla bla... the yearly rate will drop significantly.
They are in search of cheap labor.
As an IT in the Navy, I can get my bachelors for cyber security but this is far better for me because my job is entirely skill based!
I've been in systems admin/cyber security since I was 16, I dropped out of college twice, it's a joke, you won't learn anything. going on 30 years now in the sector and I've learned jobs that REQUIRE a degree are an employer I don't want. At Boeing there's a culture of I did it so only hire people who did it too. It is really discrimination. You'll also see a preference for people based on skin color and gender instead of merit. So, if you're a white male they'll be offended you even applied. This is big business not rural American business practices. My advice is avoid the big corporations and apply around small town USA, you'll find a business that really apricates your skills and will make you feel wanted, rather than reminding you daily that you can be replaced in a day.
i was an ET in the Navy and got out in 2020. I'm currently a devops engineer. what you know and who you know is a much bigger factor. your clearance will help, but utilize the dod skillbridge program. that was huge for me.
I retired 12 years ago. My career was first as an Army soldier, then as a federal government IT contractor. All of my positions were skills based or experience in lieu of degree (4 yr exp = assoc, 8 yr exp = bachelors, 12 yr exp = masters, etc). This was great, until it wasn't. As you advance in your career, you will eventually want/need to move into management, and this is where a degree requirement becomes an insurmountable obstacle. My advice is that if you have access to obtain a degree (even if it is at a part-time, night school pace), you should keep it as a long term goal.
Fully skilled based? I can see those three words causing some REEEEing soon. The Cabbage Patch kid should address it soon.
I'm a Navy contractor. I was NMCI, now I'm part of the COTS team.
Wish they focused on something every industry could benefit from: shitty hiring practices from employers. Posting fake jobs, ghosting applicants, harvesting data just to sell through your applications, bloated experience levels for entry level positions, ATS parsing due to low HR staffing, etc.
Let's not forget, people get certs and go to school because they WANT that knowledge and they know it will help them get relevant experience to be an appealing applicant.
We want to work, and we are acquiring as much experience as we can to be a good candidate for the jobs we want. The focus should be on employee onboarding, retention tactics, getting rid of at will termination, etc
Thats why I quit the IT field before starting. it's just going to get worse as the next generation learns at a younger age and things become outsourced/obsolete
I think HR just keeps doing interviews so they can justify their existence.
@jonathanrice-exec11 but I'd argue that outsourcing has always been a problem as a result of corporate greed.
The rise of attackers using AI as a tool to launch malware isn't something that can be ignored, and my prediction is that it will take several major breaches in succession to remind non tech leaders to fully invest in tech and retention of employees, not to mention remain compliant as needs and legalities shift accordingly.
@@jonathanrice-exec11 yup, it’s all going to the cloud and/or India
Also keeps the shareholders happy to see job postings. Even if the job doesn’t exist is shows that they are in a growth phase…… bogus
As a vet that did IT in the Army 20 years ago and trying to get back into it now, this is huge! Years of service will make a big impact on retirement
Sorry. I employ a lot of I.T. personnel and have met few Army I.T. "professionals" that are worth their salt. Including 25U's and 25H's. BTW, I am an Army Vet, 19Kilo, M1 Crewman. I got all of my experience after my dischage, working in data centers and cranking out certs, and ultimately finishing both my Bachelor in CompSci and Master of Sci in Cybersec,
Dude,
I worked in IT for 30 years at the same place without even a high school diploma. When I was ready to leave I was snatched up for double my pay with an Air Force Contractor as a sysadmin. All I needed was my Sec + cert, which they paid for!
Been here since August, loving it, and your videos were a large part of making that possible.
Thanks!
you may have a privilege you don't recognize that the majority don't ;-)
This is the exception, and not the norm.
@@mbirugotora Yeah, I had the privilege of living on the streets for two years before that. So when I was given the privilege to work I worked hard and was on time. ;) :)
Started off doing basic temp work, but convinced my boss to move from DOS1.0 and NT4 to Windows. When I left we had ten servers and 80 workstations.
It's 30 years ago, now it's overpopulation so getting an interview is already hard enough.
I am 35 years in IT and plan on working another 10, if all goes as planned. I had no degree until 2017 and most of the Sys Admins that I worked alongside during the years possessed nothing but High School Diplomas and certs. I only completed my Bachelor and then Masters a few years ago in order to move into management.
Just got a Junior Network Engineer job with a diploma in networking and help desk experience, however it wasn't my diploma that got me the job, it was my home projects showcased on my own website.
I'm especially proud of my own little Three Tier Network project on packet tracer and eve-ng that includes STP, OSPF, DHCP, DNS, NAT, HSRP, VLANs and SVIs.
In my interview I was able to explain the purpose of a three tier network and then answered the questions thrown at me from the interviewer regarding the network.
Amazing! What’s your website? I’d love to see if possible? Thanks
I am 55 years old and a Director of Tech in the government sector. Worked from 18 years old in 1987 up until 2017 without a degree. Most of that time, I was a very well paid Systems Admin possessing only a High School diploma and every cert under the sun(A+, Net+, Server+, MCSE, CCNA, etc). Didn't finish my Bachelor until 2017. Finished my Masters in 2020. My Masters helped me land my Director position, and for that I am thankful. I still keep my hands under the hood and work alongside my Sys Admins and DBAs. Plan on working another 10 years. I am surprised that people are just finding out that you don't need a degree to do the work. For the 30 years that I was a Sys Admin, most of us did not have degrees and we were propping up and running very large data centers.
Degrees are just a way to gate keep
They barely even hire for people with degrees. I have a cyber degree and keep losing out to people that already have a security clearance. And since entry level cyber jobs are asking for 3-5 yrs experience, it's making me feel like I wasted my money for nothing
@@jermdoe123 Try being gay and or black and you'll get hired and trained in a heartbeat
@@jermdoe123you need certs in IT they look a lot better than a degree
@@jermdoe123sorry to hear that.
@negan4089 The major part of my degree are the certs I have 9. These companies would rather not spend the money getting a new hire a security clearance. They would rather take the person that has the clearance and spend a portion of the clearance money on getting that person trained into that position.
Considering how expensive colleges/universities have gotten, even just to take technological change courses, all sectors should turn to this and more in-depth learning materials put online.
Translation: We don't want to pay what people are worth.
You think it's that or are they desperate for qualified candidates thus lowering the standards & also creating apprentic opportunities to help fill these positions?
My guess is there aren't enough people that are majoring in IT and stem degrees, thus creating a gap in the market.
@@MeZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZ Likely both.
There's benefit though, you don't need to spend tonnes of money for degree. Might not need those student loans anymore.
@@MeZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZ The career field is actually oversaturated. There aren't many jobs available as it is. This will likely just make it harder to get a job in IT.
I've been in IT (Network\Systems Admin) read: Jack of all trades, for 25+ years now. I came from the trades before IT and I've been saying for YEARS that what we do is a modern day trade.
Thanks Chuck and White House for validating what I've been saying for a loooong time!!
"thanks white house" lmao
Is there good opportunites and money to being a network/sys admin? I'm contemplating going that route because Cybersec looks a bit difficult to get in and seems very competitive. Im 19 trying to get into the tech world because it seems cool and I like problem-solving.
But we will never have Union.
IT is tough for entry levels. Lots of layoff and overseas outsource.
Your competing with AI and cheap labour overseas
I wouldn't hire an electrician that didn't learn his trade in a professional environment either.
I have a couple of semesters left with my AAS in Network Security and through grants and my job, I've had all of my education paid for. However, I'm still looking to get 3 certs this summer, A+, Network+, and CCNA. I have a job interview on Friday for an Entry Level Network Administrator! Watching your videos made me realize how important it is to have the certs as well...
How did that go?
You plan on ccna, network+ and a+ all in one summer? I've been studying for just the ccna the last 3 months and I'm still not ready. The two official cert guide books are 1400 pages alone. Ontop of labbing.
If you can do that all in a summer, that is impressive. I can't learn that fast.
Save yourself time and $$$ and skip taking A+... I would even say learn the Net + material but dont take the cert/ I would take the CCNA and stack home projects on your resume. Not worth the time and $ when the CCNA will make the other 2 certs kinda useless. Just my 2 cents, wish you luck!
Government slow... 😂 slower than a snail in some aspects.
Yeah, finally good news
These are not good news.
Well a majority of them need walking canes at this point. Vote younger members in that actually understand this stuff!!
The opposite is happening in Sweden.
Companies are "encouraged" to partner with schools and put up ads (on closed networks) around graduation time.
A lot of companies now _require_ a degree to even apply (it's not just written as a "requirement" by HR, they expect paper proof)
If you don't have contacts, it's pretty much impossible to apply in some towns without a degree.
Moreover, the start-up scene in Norway is a disaster (or so I've read). You people like taxes way too much, making it unreasonably impossible to set up shop in Norway.
No, it's the same here in the US despite the ridiculous rhetoric.
Well at least your degree will matter in Sweden. In USA your degree means nothing without experience
LOL- sounds like the place to apply
Glad to see the change. Been a contractor for a little over 20 years, without a degree....in fact I dropped out of HS. Also, just went federal, still without a degree :)
A Uni versity degree is the equivalent of the foundation of house - it is NOT the house. That does not mean you need good foundation to know how to build a beautiful house, it simply means that however beautiful your house is, it is a house of cards if you do not have the proper solid foundation. And if it does not give any assurance that having solid foundation will result in a beautiful house, the foundation assured that the house will remain whatever th tremors. This statement is confirmed whith what I have observed all over the place in the IT sector of the Industry.
Lets look at network engineering as the example here. What possible foundation are you looking for from a degree. I have a degree entirely focused on network engineering, BUT all the information taught was old and outdated and not based in current mindsets / not true to what the industry follows. This is a poor foundation in my opinion. the CCNA itself was closer to what was actually used but still outdated compared to the technology in use. How can you call outdated information the foundation?
This industry moves too quickly and changes too rapidly to be able to form a solid foundation from college. You can learn TCP/IP from a youtube video that is the foundational knowledge, you can learn subneting from youtube which is also very foundational. You have the likes of David Bombal who are widely recognized as an expert in the field with his own video series on youtube for CCNA / CCNP level topics his classes are better then any degree.
Especially since colleges largely could care less about the content being taught and more so care about graduation rates that they can use as a metric for others to come to their college. I don't need Psychology as a mandated course to do my job. There are many mandated courses forced by colleges that are largely a waste of time and money to pad the amount of course work. I am strongly against college for many IT fields with rare exception for highly specialized roles in research / computer science.
When it comes down to web development, networking, database administration, system administration there is copious amounts of vendor documentation that is invaluable and someone with the acumen to learn on their own and demonstrate the skills in an interview by showing off a home lab is infinitely more valuable.
Wow I'm really glad I spent 4 years of my life getting my degree!
You wont say that when you land a role and find out the only thing that separated you and the other candidate was that piece of paper... HR is a beast we all still need to beat, don't sell yourself short.
That’s great to hear but I don’t know where to start and learn
There are probably hundreds of videos on this at this point. One Google search away
University of not that bad TBH, (American ones are not free, so you have to move)
I needed this video. I've been feeling a little demotivated while on the hunt for another IT job. I'm filled with determination now!
Well I'm close to the end of my first year of my bachelor studies for computer science. But where I live now I need to have a degree to land a job. Although I figured you need more skills, because companies care about the experience you have. Thankfully since my sophomore year of highschool I began to learn IT on my own. And it ended up being useful for my bachelor studies.
But what about the old Catch-22 of requiring 5+ years experience in the industry to get your first job in the industry ??
Exactly. Degrees open doors and all this is going to do is shut them.
Start out at an MSP helpdesk and grind. You will make it. There is no easy alternative
Well that's your fault for not being born into a family that owns a multi-million dollar company. Birth-max harder next time around.
This is great news. I went the university route, and it worked well for me. (I went into Computer Science and currently work as a software engineer). There are plenty of ways to go about learning the technical requirements for the field -- college is only one of them, and not even necessarily the best one. It does take hard work and dedication, and whether you're in college, doing certifications, doing a trade school/boot camp, do your best to get in an internship or apprenticeship to learn while working on the job. Even starting in something related (I started in tech support then moved to QA) is a great path to start getting exposure to the general working environment and being able to work with engineers (or whatever other IT professionals you're interested in working with.
I'm a third of the way through a degree from WGU. It feels like one long cert but I'm determined to finish either way. Skill building is a life long process.
i just started my program in computer software engineering from WGU two days ago...
200 applications and only about like 5-10 interviews , might as well go into a different field at this point.
Don't give up. All I had was CCNA and now I'm a senior system engineer for over 11 years, no degree whatsoever. But it took me about a year and a half to get my first job as a sysadmin. Do that and get 1 - 2 years of experience and you are planted in the field. And with all the AWS positions today it seems really easy to transition to a high end job.
1:59 MY EXACT POINT! A lot of people think you need a degree or just college to have the knowledge... YOU DON'T!
I'm currently a first year university student, and I saw the courses in the computer science program was stuff I learned on my own. At least most of it, I mainly learned programming, networking, and cyber security related stuff from highschool and my freetime. I just like to learn on my own for fun.
Unless its free. I got scholarships for a criminology major (no student loans/debt/or credit) and CIS minor and was able to help create a start up. Finished my degree in 3 years (a little over 2 years) while doing bug bounties, CTF competitions, and getting certifications along the way. Though, certifications don't do much if you haven't worked in the industry. My goal was to join the military as an officer but I got DQ'ed and vulnerable to cancer yet I still want to work in security somewhat but the job market is hard. Even those with experience have it hard. But, what I do know is that a college can give you knowledge in certain areas you can't get outside of college. Like criminology or law, you can't become a lawyer without the prerequisites and as for criminology...most people in cybersecurity have never caught a cybercriminal but prevented or stopped a cyber attack. Most attackers get away with it because those in cybersecurity don't know how criminals think, while those who were criminals know where to look but not how to catch one. Psychology is a big one for instance. But overall, if a 60 year old goes to college, that tells us something.
I came to the US in 1998 without a college degree but a VO Tech style education in Data Technology/Radar-Telecom skillset, I'm now an IT Manager ready to retire in 12-15 years depending.
2210 here myself as a network engineer. Happy to answer any questions.
I was in the middle of the degree process and stopped. I realized it was futile.
Humanities or arts or 17th-century metaphysical poetry never helped me with CCNA/AWS/SAP/Oracle/Linux etc.
Wowzer! this is great news, I’ve already earned my first cybersecurity cert the ISC2 CC Certified in Cybersecurity certification on top of my Azure certs.
Got a few friends and coworkers doing WGU right now and I was SET I HAD to obtain a degree. Well shoot this is awesome to know! Still might do WGU?
Skills plus a degree opens way more doors than just skills. The first stage of shortlisting for most major companies is checking people’s qualifications. Many people applying have skills, experience, a degree and a masters. And those are the people you need to compete against for anything higher than a junior or poorly paid position.
I've been in IT 27 years... no degree of any sort. Worked my way thru multiple companies and roles.
How did you do it?
@@miraclemaxwell9988 started small working for a local school district and jumped companies a few times. Never turned down taking on new systems....always learning.
@@miraclemaxwell9988 He tells you: go back in time and break into the industry in 1997.
@@miraclemaxwell9988 it was 27 years ago... If you could turn the computer on, you were a tech genius. Stories from the olden days are worthless.
@@miraclemaxwell9988 by being born early, imagine getting an interview when you have no experience in this era lol, too many people to compete with.
Hi! you mention WGU, i currently just got my Cybersecurity degree form a local tech school, i want to be an elementary /middle school computer science teacher, and go to WGU so i can obtain my bachelors and (later do a teaching cert in ga) do you recommend WGU? i cant find much reliable information on this
Your geniune enthusiasm overflows and shines forth 👍
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
As a Senior Penetration tester working for a big 4 which obtained this Job based solely of my skill, this is a good thing to hear.
But let's not forget many positions will require you to have a degree which is why I'm currently finishing my degree.
Where are you finishing up your degree if you don't mind me asking? I'm often back and forth with this question. I'm currently looking into University of Arizona's BAS in cyber engineering. Their program has a NSA CAE-CO designation which is why I want to do it. I figured that designation would make it a little easier for companies to take a chance on you or to get internships if they see that you're in a dedicated program. What is your opinion on this?
@@Noc___ I'm attending SNHU due to the affordable cost, as I'm paying out of my own pocket. My advice to you is to focus more on developing your skills rather than solely pursuing degrees.
I previously worked in cybersecurity for NASA/ESA (though indirectly through a third-party contractor), and I must admit, I wasn't impressed with their cybersecurity knowledge(Also because I used to find Vuln on them as a Bug Hunter). This lack of knowledge was the main reason I left that company; not only were they lacking basic skills, but they also wanted to force me to teach hacking to individuals that got there because of their degrees, not skills.
In fact, many of the individuals I know who possess degrees have minimal to no practical skills, while those without degrees excel in their fields.
I'm pursuing my degree just for personal achievement and to advance in my career. If you're interested in government work, you can still achieve that goal by obtaining certifications such as CompTIA, SANS, and Offsec.
Degrees is something anyone can get, skills is a whole different music.
While skill-based hiring can be a good thing, it very heavily ignores those people who might be interested on that job field but lack the skill or experience. And unpaid internships and volunteering aren't exactly going to bring food to your table either. I think hiring should consist of multitude factors and not just whether or not you have the skills or degree because sometimes eager learner without skill or degree can also become the most valuable worker in the company.
Yep, we shouldn't push a narrative that those with college degree don't deserve a chance unless they went the route so many people have done without college because that's basically like how your parents say back in my day but the days change. You never know.
Many skills in IT can easily be proven or learned with a cheap computer and home lab. IT certs are far more affordable than a degree. Many colleges are behind in the IT field because it advances and changes with new hardware and methodologies as the threat landscape changes and evolves.
@@georgejones5019 not all colleges, I know a lot that actually sponsor you to get certifications and have partnerships with companies for you to learn hands on. Also, the problem with being self taught is that not everyone can do it and because not everyone can do it. Does that mean those people aren’t allow the opportunity to be taught in a college those skills. Let’s be honest, there isn’t exactly a guideline that will guarantee you know a skill successful but college courses will force you to learn a skill like a discipline. No ordinary person can just learn and get a few certifications either then get guaranteed a job. In fact, compared to college, not only will you find a community and have friends but you’ll have the opportunity to make connections and meet people who will share their experiences. That’s not something I found personally outside my college when it came to learning cybersecurity. Most of the time, I’d be in communities where it’s self taught or the high way. Limited access to help. And constantly being degraded for not knowing something in a condescending way by someone power tripling because they have so called experience. In a college environment, you are actually encouraged to mark mistakes without fear of retribution from your peers like social media posts. Another thing, college is still superior to a certification because you learn more from a college degree than a certification. A certification is still a piece of paper. You can farm certifications all day but you’ll never do anything but learn specific skills that college would expand on. Overall, it’s an extra overgeneralization that everyone is the same. Plus, if you can get a scholarship to a college then you also stand out from people. Compared just going for a certification like everyone else and not standing out.
Home labs and a cheap computer also won’t teach you social skills needed to work in an environment. Plus, if I finished college in two years with no debt and it is known I had done so. I’m sure people will consider that I proved I know how to learn quickly. Plus, if I have recommendations can help prove my skills even better. You can get a certification yet not know all the important aspects of the job.
@@georgejones5019 A simple home lab is not gonna give you the experience you need. employers want at the minimum of 2 years just to consider you.
Bravo 🎉 such an awesome update, Network Chuck is inspiring!
I've always thought that about apprenticeships in IT. So glad to see it affirmed in such an auspicious venue.
Starting a new position next Tuesday in cloud computing with absolutely no degree, just affordable courses and self-learning. Keep it up!
That’s fantastic, hope it goes well for you
Makes sense. I don’t have a degree as I couldn’t satisfy the stupid math requirement. But with learning what I needed to learn and practicing using the software, I now make $178k/yr as a Consultant.
Well done great improvement 👏
What is the tablet/stylus product you are using to write on the screen with please
I'm currently a government contractor with the US Navy, not directly under the government/DoD.
But I'm making a $80k+ salary role, no degree. Only Security+ and a clearance. I'm also an Air Force Veteran which gives me a leg up on the hiring.
That said, I'm also pursuing my degree in cyber security. But many brick-and-mortar colleges are behind in the IT and Tech space. You can easily afford to cover skill gaps with certifications and a home lab. Oftentimes, you have to learn how certain companies use tools and software specifically for their needs.
But I don't want to work for the government. I dont like the corrupt government.
College gives you a skillset, it makes you ready for work. You learn to learn in college, how to learn, accomplish a task in a certain period of time, collaborating with others and learning to working as a team, You gain the ability to get along with people. You learn to communicate.
Yes it's possible to have a job in IT without a degree, but in most cases there will left a lot of gaps. Most people can't build a study discipline without school and it takes years to achieve those certificates, for majority.
My advice, put your ego aside and get a clear review about yourself, grap a pen and paper, write down your skills honestly, then you'll be able to make a logic decision about starting or skipping the college.
I want you to think like this way:
Analyze the problem
Set a goal to fix
Breakdown the path, plan each step
Start executing
My advice is %100 go to the college if you can afford. Don't make yourself hurry to get a job.
On the other hand, if you decide to skip the school, you must be disciplined and must plan every hour of your day/week. Setting clear goals, and targeting certifications only for getting a certain job role.
Good luck! Trust the God and do your work!
Whoever you are, thank you. I truly appreciate this message. It went a long way
College waste you retake class add up more time only for geeks
I wish that people did learn to learn in college. Its a good marketing point for them though. Get your hands dirty, and work a helpdesk. They will take just about anyone with a pulse, move up from there. You'll be more well rounded from helpdesk experience than any college experience.
I didn't realize you were a Night Owl too! I'm about halfway through my BS in Cyber Security and Information Assurance program. The database class is kicking mah butt right now!
Thank god , im only at first semester
im dropping out and studying security+
For a rookie job - of course not needed!!! These UA-camrs who don't know nothing, learn a few tricks and starts to teach by making a sensational cool looking video
Depends on what job you are looking for & where are you getting a degree !!!
But if you are serious about getting a serious skilled job - You need to learn in detail+ fundamentals & that where degree from a good University comes into play 🤓
Yay. A lot of people that will only know the basics about computers, nothing else, will be able to screw up computers at goverment ahencies
No... The most skilled IT people I have met don't have degrees
AI is coming - All these rookie jobs will be eliminated soon anyways 🔜
- Of course Universities will have less students & Less jobs opportunities but the only people who will remain in power (Job), the ones with more skills and more in depth knowledge. People with real skills will be the only ones to challenge AI - the rest are going to go down - Not only IT, developers or Computer related jobs, but all Fields - AI is going to wipe the entire jobs sectors (Doctor, Drivers, Labour, Agriculture, Banking, Sooner or later) but AI is coming - So get serious & study in depth to have a chance against AI (Remember AI can only be challenged by the most skilled, knowledgeable & creative people)
@@Ryan-wx1bi yeah people who have been in the industry for 15-20 years who have blocked anyone from gaining entry level experience.
Damn that's a bold statement to make... How would any organisation test anyone without a degree to check if they are qualified for the job? Let heck alone the white house
😂
Ask technical questions…?
Interview questions? Testing? Letting them go when they can't do the job?
Certifications? Questions?
That's what interviews are for.
Chuck went to WGU? lets go!
Currently working on my CS degree at WGU!
I might consider going back to get my certifications for IT
The White House also says there's no trouble at the border.
they also say the economy is good
I see a graduate over here 😂
Who really cares with the White House says about this .. I mean really 😅😂😅😂😅
Chuck, I have been a contractor for about 10 years, degrees are nice for the HR check in the box (especially in managerieal roles) but most if not all Govt IT shops will take certs+experience any day over the new college grad.
I have multiple degrees, BS and MS and 20 years experience in IT and security. They helped round out my knowledge with other stuff my work would not let me touch. Should I take them off the resume ?
Ah yes, the Biden White House … the #1 place for competent people!
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Thanks to your suggestion, I got my Security+ last week. This news is extremely welcome.
Good luck. I've had my A+, Network+, Security+ for 9 months now, have my own homelab, can't even get an interview.
@@htwingnut You might want to look into your resume, a lot of places check them in an automated way these days. If you don't format it just right, the system will entirely skip over you.
pft.....I went to work in IT straight out of high school and a few years later people with degrees were working under me. Got 20 years of IT experience in the school district now.
This is fantastic! I think I’ll still eventually get a degree from WGU after I finish chasing my certs, just for the prestige basically, but it’s great that more IT jobs are realizing that it’s the skills that pay the bills
Knew it would become like this, now to hope Australia adopts this too, but they’re slower than the US unfortunately
The UK government has been saying this for the last 4 years but in practice only starting to happen slowly.
I have been in the IT(office equipment)industry since 1986 & had time out due to an accident where I am finding it impossible. One issue is I have worked for all the big names HP, Dell, Epson, Lenovo & others so over experienced for most jobs but I just want a job!
(One I missed out as a little controversial at the moment!)
I did start on recertification like Microsoft & Cisco but gave up as always asked where my degree was!
So the USA is now saying it but how long before it actually begins?
I know it has to start somewhere.
I am a 2210 series employee. I don’t have a degree, I started as a contractor and proved my skills and got recognized. There are multiple ways to get into IT. That is how I did it, thanks Chuck!
Dang.. I went back to WGU and got my degree. They hassled me over my degree when getting hired by the FG. The transcript from WGU didn’t provide a GPA and they almost didn’t accept me. Crazy.
I have an associates only and was worried they wouldnt call. I passed my screening and...well fingers crossed
From my POV going on my 3rd professional year working in Cyber sec, I can confidently say that if you want to break into the field:
1. Know someone (network!)
2. Have DEMONSTRATED skills (experience)
3.Certificates
4. Degree
Let's think logically here. No degree = MORE competition. Anyone saying "but there is a job shortage!" clearly has not been applying to hundreds of job listings with no luck. Sure, you DONT NEED a degree... but guess who is likely to have one AND certs AND experience? Yep, the dude with a degree. its an HR hurtle if anything, but for people to say "degree not required" is not going to guarantee that HR chooses a candidate with less qualifications... shitty environment we are all living, but you cant live in fantasy land.
It doesnt mean there isnt a job shortage. IT means they HAVE to put out the job offers publicly, but they already know who they are going to hire internally. The frustration is with the, often government created, requirement to artificially waste everyone's time interviewing people you know youre not going to hire for a position you already know who you want to give it to.
I agree that degrees shouldn't be necessary. However, I do wonder what gate keeping will be applied to the apprenticeships. I went through a full stack bootcamp and have a decent amount of knowledge but so many companies require intense coding exams just for apprenticeships and internships, which are fundamentally supposed to teach the skills. Applicants for apprenticeships and internships shouldn't need excessive knowledge to land those. The bar needs to be lowered for how those work.
Aw you filmed a video just for me. Warms the cockles of my heart 🥰. Seriously though, thanks for highlighting this press release otherwise I'm not sure when I would have heard about it.
I have a master’s in cybersecurity. I got rejected from federal contractor cybersecurity jobs because my undergraduate degree was not in computer science. My Security+ and Master’s degree meant nothing to them.
Nice..am gonna try to learn to
How do they reconcile "skills-based hiring" with affirmative action?
I'm in IT and have no degree. I learned what I know from from your channel and channels like yours.
I am in IT my buddy and I are certified and qualified for Cyber, but we aren’t getting hired due to no degrees, I had an interview for a IT technician job (so I can build up experience) they told me I was overqualified and said they believe I’d get bored and leave soon……….. THAT WAS A 30k pay raise from where I am at rn… so thankfully this is coming out soon
I don't even have a cert and work fully remote in an IT role for a large investment/401k company. It definitely can happen, for my company (experience > degrees) hard work will get you moved around to different roles.
Just keep putting them resumes in. You'll most likely have to start as a Help Desk tier 1 associate, but it's a good foot in the door.
IT Help Desk jobs dont pay livable wages for most cities and towns in the country.
22 years here, no degrees or certs. I did try to go to school for a Bachelors in CS when my school lost its accreditation in the middle of a semester, the Dean ran away to florida, and then the school closed and sold all of its assets to pay the legal bills.
What school if I may ask?
I got in with a contractor with no experience minus self taught things and started 3 weeks ago after 3 months of hiring process. Its going great!!
Thank you Chuck your a great help we appreciate you
I dropped out of college with a probably 1-2 semester left until my BA in Computer Systems...
I make more than most of my counterparts with Master degrees currently. It Never really made sense to me to do all of that schooling just to end up in debt with little to no gain afterwards.
Certifications, good work ethic and being knowledgeable in your field are the keys to success in IT.
I was thinking about leaving college and start preparing for CCNA.
I work at an air force base as a civilian doing super basic computer support. I have almost no control cuz everything is centralized, so not learning anything. I want to get into cybersecurity, but I don't want to have to move from my location. Hopefully, remote work becomes more common. Guess I can't have my cake and eat it too.
I've been trying to find a job in IT for over a year. I have the skills just not a degree and I've been overlooked over and over...
i'd highy recommend, in regard to my previous post, to "cron" a prompt to ollama to daily summarize for you (and email to you) the topics and any conclusions, advice, ... your children have discussed w/ the local GPTs... can't be too safe!
yupiee, does it inclUde the NSA too?
some of us have ADHD or something where school sounds fun but the actual work it requires takes too long so. Iv been working the IT field now for over 10 years. no degrees or certifications.
When stealing a WPA2 hash from a packet, why do you need to use brute force to find out the original password instead of just sending the router the hash itself and connect with it to the router?
I had self studied for my A+ and other certs back in the day, used the govt. Grants to get my associates.
Hello Mr.Chuck, I am Amir from Indonesia, and I am very happy to see your videos on UA-cam about systems related to technology, I am still a beginner who wants to learn and become a professional cyber security, can it help me in learning (your video about learning) as cyber security from beginner to advanced, thank you
This has been a thing for a while they are just streamlining the process a bit more to remove the degree terminology. The current rules are that you must have equivalent experience to the lower gs level, that GS level, or a degree. I started as an IT specialist with a 7/9/11 path in January 2019 at the US Department of Veterans Affairs, and I did not and DO NOT have any degree. In fact, at the time, I only had some relevant experience and a CompTIA A+ certification! And (still with no degree) after 3 1/2 years of hard work, I was promoted to a GS 12 Senior IT Specialist. Either way, these changes are good to get people in the workforce who can do the job. The only remaining issue is hiring managers and interview panels will need to do their due dillagince to ensure they are selecting a candidate that didn't take the test and forget everything 2 minutes later. Speaking as someone who has sat on a few of those interview panels, this does happen quite a bit.
Okay this makes me so exited.. I fall into this category.. i don't have the money or time to go get a degree because well life.
I never went to College and much less have any degree and I have been a computer repair guy, programmer guy, network guy, etc, etc, etc since 1989
Don't need a degree when you been at it since 1989. Look at the comments everyone that has this same experience has been at for 20+ years to get at a comfy spot. It's a lot more competitive
it's about time! I got my degree in IT network engineering. I love networking, but a year prior to graduating, I got into the career field without my degree as a wee Jr network admin! I then quickly started automating my job through scripts which grew into coding. Over the course of a year I self taught myself to code and again, before I graduated, I got a job as a software engineer.
Honestly, I don't necessarily regret my degree but at the same time I kind of do. My passion for technology and love for the field is what let me excel in it. And the degree wasn't really a contributing factor nor was it a contributing factor to any of my knowledge. It was the obsessive nights I spent learning, playing with hypervisors, coding, and more. A passion for technology brings IT skills that school just can't compete with!
Congrats, you contributed to eliminating yours and others' jobs.
@@virtual240 Thanks bro. I'm just helping build the terminator ;)
Worked as a 2210 for twenty years as a veteran and degreed person. Now a contractor making double my old salary. I can assure you that most of these jobs will still go to vets and degreed folks who who will have more points in their packages. It's a start to qualify at least, but will be competitive.
Is there a website where I can apply for apprenticeships???
This is GREAT news! I'd still like to finish my Bachelor's (2 years left at this point) But I hope that this will make my barrier to entry and capability to career shift into IT and cybersecurity MUCH easier over the next year or so! (Need internship or experience of some sort at this stage) I'm still planning on getting the Sec+ cert to give me leverage and am taking the Google cybersecurity cert this summer to prep for that as well (The Google cert is being offered free by my college).
Here's to a more fulfilling life!
Its is quite literally going to do the opposite. They are going to ignore degrees and only focus on experience, but theyre only going to hire people who have at least 4 years of experience. This is awful for entry level people like you or I.
I have a college degree, I will soon have my university one. I have 5 years of experience in development. I think university mostly helps you being better at project managing, conception and having a specialization. For me I have some kind of specialization in cyber security, user experience and making programing languages. I like that I did my bachelor cause I was geeking hard. I still think that most developers just need to know how to code well. For IT, by experience, the best ones are the ones that automatize everything. Create scripts for absolutely every aspect of you job. People will love it.