Thanks for your information. As a 75 year old, retired, old guy getting back into cycling I appreciate honest opinions from those with more experience(s). I try to do a lot of research when considering purchasing almost anything so as to make that limited fixed income go farther. I am cycling to have a better and healthier life, not for competition, but still wish to have better components such as wheels and tires. So thanks again for your experiences and opinions. It adds to my research!
Mr. Bridwell, thanks for your time watching as well as dropping this lovely comment. I am thankful to hear that my endless yapping is helpful in any way. Great to hear you are pedaling out there no matter what age. Be safe!
Thank you for the best video on the topic Ive seen so far on UA-cam. Especially Shimano wheels seems to lack reviews compared to many other brands, but the reviews are usually good.
Thank you for your time watching! I have an episode coming out that pits the Shimano wheels against Zipp 404 and Enve SES. I hope to shed some light in all 3 pitted against.
Thank you DC! I watch a lot of videos on cycling and I have to say that your content is one of my favorites. This particular video has been extremely helpful in helping me finalize my decision on a wheelset for a new build. Your information is direct and authentic and I really appreciate your effort. I would love to see a video on carbon handlebars if you're ever up for it. Thanks once again and keep up the great work.
Hi Sherman! I don't even know what to say to those words... Thank you so much!!! I do have plans to make a video about saddles and another for bars/stem.
With how good Chinese wheel manufacturers are getting, there is no point to go over spending $1500. The Elitewheels Drive are only $1200 and offer as good performance as a $2000+ wheel as well as weight.
Very good episode, DB! I believe Shimano has always put reliability & quality on top of their priority list. Obviously almost every cyclist started with Shimano, then hated it for being mainstream, then for some reason went back to Shimano for its quality. Been there, done that. Now back on the saddle (only this time on paved roads), I use the Giant SLR 1 42mm → great set of wheels, very reliable, very little air leak, extremely good on long climbs, very stable on windy conditions (unlike my Elite wheels BWT), and smooth rolling hubs. Combined with the Cadex Race 25 tires (measures 26mm), they give me confidence on cornering. However, I only weigh 60kg. The main downside is they’re very noisy (and perhaps the internal rim width; but I know an ultra endurance guy that used them with Schwalbe Pro One 28 with no issue).
Thanks for dropping some words! I've been meaning to try the Schwalbe Pro Ones again after the years going by. I just couldn't believe all 8 brand new tires were doing the same thing. Perhaps now is the time since I got some new wheels for the channel.... muhahahahaha !! Thanks again!
They will never do you wrong. A new episode is in the works where I pit the C50s against Zipp 404 Firecrests and Enve SES 4.5s. The final verdict of my humble opinion will surprise many.
In europe Zipp 303s are 850€ and are a steal for that price. I have them and had no issues with crosswinds. Wind doesn't even move them. I don't know if it is more problem with different geometry bikes or something but I can tell that the wind is not a problem.
Hi Flexo! Thank you for your time watching and dropping a comment! I'm glad to hear your experience has been different than mine. Keep safe out there and be well!
Bravo DC !!!! This is exactly the kind of video most riders need when gathering information on what a given wheel brand and depth will give them regarding Cost/Performance/Quality when upgrading. If it was my wallet deciding then I'd say the Hunt are great wheels for all the reason's you mention...the hubs are loud so be aware you won't sneak up on anyone. I would love to ride those Dura-Ace C50's though and if I could stretch my budget or find a nice set used that would be my overall choice. Thanks again for all you time and effort in producing fantastic content and your unbiased opinion brought to us by your own damn Wallet. Keep it RSD my friend.
@@DiabeticCycling I've ridden my 303s primarily on my gravel bike so much less wind on those rides with the tree's and wind protected roads I usually ride. I also have Firecrest 303-404 and those I've ridden on the road in windy conditions and they've performed well. The thing is once you've had a bad experience with something it's hard to forget and when it's happened a few times like on your different rides then it's better to step away from those wheels.
@@chancebex5947 Ah yes, gravel would be totally different variables. I am about to bring in a set of 404 Firecrest for the Ribble as it is severely handicapped by the in-house wheels myself!
I just stumbled onto your UA-cam video and I find you, and your review very refreshing. You seem like you would honestly take on a new challenge. The challenge I want to present to you is clearly visible in the "first 3 seconds" of this video introduction. If you notice the fast spinning wheel is oscillating because the wheel has "No Rotational Balance". Fact is out of balance wheels create interrupted inertia which eats Watts like a big bowl of LuckyCharms. That said, I think everyone doing any kind of high performance comparison reviews should carefully balance the wheels first to level the playing field. The problem is aerodynamic tech on wheels have hit a barrier, so the next logical step to make aerodynamic wheels and bikes go faster is "BALANCE"! The reason wheel manufacturers avoid the subject is because they don't understand it and it's effects. Also they clearly don't know how to make a balance system that's 100% consumer, dealer, OEM and manufacturer friendly. Also there is no consumer demand, yet..... Frankly speaking wheel balance tech now, is just like aerodynamics was 30 years ago when I worked for the Japan Group. I would constantly ask ARAYA rim division to make aerodynamic shaped rims, only to be met with laughter and be technically ridiculed. Anyways, I'm going to e-mail you to give you some of my knowledge on the subject of wheel balance as I have been studying bicycle wheel balance for over 15 years. It would be nice to see someone like you be the first to fully understand this new technology and be the first review and introduce the added performance balanced wheels have to offer. By the way, I now live in Seattle, and from the looks of your video, that's Angeles Crest Hy in So Cal. When I was a Cat-1 I used to train all over that highway. Please look for my e-mail. Sincerely Dan Sotelo
I’ve been leaning towards the 4454 Hunts but you really make me want those Dura Ace. I do sort of like a loud hub though. My stock wheels on my Prince (Fulcrums) only got used a couple times and they had the quietest hub I’ve ever ridden. Stealthy is kind of cool, but it’s also nice if you end up on a bike path for a bit to have some noise so people hear you coming and move over easier
Duane, it does not get ANY LOUDER than the hub in 44/54. What you see and hear in this video does not do the sound any justice. I reckon it's one of the loudest if not the loudest any wheels.
Duane, just change the grease or remove the big globsthey pack them with. I removed some, went with a lighter coating of a good grease. My Fulcrums are louder now, although they're back-up, back-ups. My Hunts are louder than any hub I've heard in person. My Racing Zeros are the middle ground. I'm looking at another set of Hunts with a deeper section. Thanks DC, your content is very good brother!
The issue I take with the Mercury S5's is that the internal width is 17mm which is fairly narrow by todays standards. The industry is moving towards wider rims due to it having better aerodynamic, comfort and grip (bigger contact patch with the road) benefits. In contrast with the S5. I recently upgraded to some budget carbon hoops from 9velo - RV55's. They are 55mm depth and weigh in at 1580g. 9velo quoted them to weigh in at 1567g which is perfectly fine compared to my HUNT super dura's which were quoted at 1595g on their website but weighed 1770g when they arrived. And that 175g difference wasnt because HUNT had packed the wheel bearings with extra grease either. I had my bike mechanic have a look at it and they did it at no extra cost as I already had my bike with them for pretty big overhaul. HUNT aside. These RV55s are very much an upgrade. The only real downside so far with this 9velo wheelset are the Sapim Race spokes instead of CX-Xray spokes but I knew that going into it. I paid $630 and opting for the more expensive CX-Ray spoke package would have kicked the price up to $800 which was out of my budget and not worth it. given how cheap those spokes can be bought for in the UK. Ive only had a chance to take them out for a short spin but so far I like them and im trying to teach myself to take it easy trying not to cook the brake track 😅😅 rim brake problems...
Hi Orestis! Thanks for your time watching and the kind words! 404 Firecrest review is coming at ya hopefully soon. Been rolling on them for about 4 months now.
Hey DC love your videos. They have been oh so infromative for me through out the years. Started with thw S3 way back long ago, which i still ride. Was hoping for a review on your Grail 6 with 650b wheels . Thnank You for all your videos.
James! Thanks brother! If you know me from my S3 days, that goes waaaaay back! The Grail, I actually ended up selling it without a full review. That was a super fun bike. Dollar per Smile ratio was VERY HIGH on that one. If I had infinite garage space, I would have kept it but also I am not really a gravel rider which would've made it sit around more than needed. But for its price, you wouldn't do wrong getting a Grail. Just a mega fun bike to whip around anywhere, literally.
@@DiabeticCycling Hey DC thnaks for the reply. Ya lost your channel there for a while but happy to have found this one man. Im Korean like yourself that lives and rides in Toronto Canada, wow your knowledge of Cervelo is impressive. Keep the videos coming brother cheers!
BTW, I been using Zipp 303s paired with Goodyear Eagle F1 Tubeless Complete (30mm) for about two years now. I am happy with this wheel/tire combination, no issue whatsoever. Once I get either C50 or C60, I will use Zipp 303s for my gravel bike.
I've got Reserve 40/44 wheels built with DT 180 hubs. While my wheels cost $2499 with the DT 180 hubs, the wheels built with DT 350 hubs only cost $1799. The wheels have an internal width of 25.5mm in front and 25mm in back, which is pretty much what I wanted so that I could comfortably run fatter tires for gravel. Depths are 40mm in front and 44mm in back. I love 'em. They weigh about 1370g, yet the rims feel very burly. The rims have mini-hooks, so tire retention is better. I run tubeless and can go 4 or 5 days without having to add air (I run 30mm Conti GP 5000 S TR tubeless tires, which measure 33mm wide when inflated). As a bonus, the Fillmore valves are awesome.
@@andrewbardwell1763 , I'm completely chuffed with them. They came out of the box true and are still perfectly true after 4000 miles. I use their Fillmore valve stems and have had zero issues with the valve stems clogging. I have not found any voids on the exterior or inside the rim bed. As a test when I got them, I mounted 30mm Conti GP5000TR S tires, and they held air for almost a week with no sealant inside. And the tires were easy to mount. The DT180 hubs were a splurge on my part (the bike is my dream bike). They're not too loud, and like all DT hubs, they're dead reliable. I've hit a couple pot holes and a few bike bumps on the road and on gravel, and rims have zero damage. I couldn't be happier with these wheels.
I had a pair of the Zipp 303s wheel set, couldn't get rid of them fast enough for that very reason. Also I found it impossible to seat a tire on the side of the road when I flatted and needed to put a tube in.
Mr. Chouinad, thanks for your time watching and commenting! I love a guy who identifies what I have hanging behind me \m/ I actually rolled on Aeolus 50 for about 4 years 2018-2022. I also have a Madone queued up for the channel which sports Aeolus 51.
You should add one more wheel, Ultegra C50, they have 100 grams more than DA, same shape, same aerodynamics, same silent spooky hub and cost 50% of DA...
You have one of my favorite wheels and the same bike I have? You must be devilishly handsome and have a great taste in things to boot! Thank you for your time watching!😎
Thank you for your excellent content. As a 65 year old man getting back into cycling, I recently purchased a Canyon 2023 Di2 Endurace. That being said I would like to upgrade my wheels from the stock DT Swiss Endurance LN SH11. I was looking for the the Hunt 5065 but cant find them available. Im leaning now towards the new Shimano C-50 Ultegra Wheels. What do you think?
Nice wheelset / guitar collection ! Iam not group rider and like the idea of shallow rims for my hilly area. Iam considering buying fulcrumzero alu but i see many uses 40-50 mm . Should i rething about mid-deep wheels?
What do you think about Bontrager carbon wheels? I recently bought a set of Bontrager Aeolus Elite 35 wheels for a total of $900. Did I get a good deal, or do you think I could have done better for the money?
I rolled on a pair of Aeolus 50 for like 3-4 years. They had rebadged DTSwiss hubs. Absolutely a fantastic set of wheels. I am sure you will do just fine!
Thank you. I can't say anything about C60 since I haven't been able to ride a pair. I do have a pair of C36. That all said, in a perfect world, I would love a C50 front and C60 rear...
@@DiabeticCycling Thanks for your reply. I got C50 last week and used it twice already. Very happy so far with the wheel. Thinking the same thing, might get C60 for the rear for Fast flat rides.
Great content! But i hope you will consider and review the Vision Metron 45 SL. This was used by a number of world tour pro cyclists including those who are sponsored by other wheel brands (they just covered the vision metron logo)
Your thoughts on how these wheels might compare to Campy’s Bora wheels. Also, would recommend clincher tires for the wheel sets in this review? Thanks.
Hi Weley! Campy Bora is definitely on a list of wheels for me to ride on at some point. But since I haven't, I really couldn't tell ya in terms of comparison.
New Subscriber. I loved this comparison! And not to windy at all. I enjoyed the side stories and comparisons that give useful context to your review. I ride the Bontrager Pro 3 on my rim brake carbon bike, but I plan to a buy a new bike. I gotta go up on my wheels, so I was planning on Bontrager Aeolus RSL 51 TLR, Weight 1410, Inner Width 23, Outer Width 31, Cost: $2,398. Your Shimano Dura Ace seemed like a super positive review, and about the same price. Do you have an opinion on these two sets of wheels?
Basically the reviews and what you said for all wheels are the same.. great rolling, aero, good hub etc2 (except for Zipp's crosswind which you have covered in your other video). You rated the first wheel as 3.75 yet did not mention its weakness (aside for its obviously heavier weight). Would love to hear more pros and cons and more technical data instead of just saying the same thing over and over again. After watching the video I'm still not well informed about the performance different for all these wheelsets. I can read the spec sheet alright but what the audience wants to know is the difference in terms of real life performance. Cheers.
Thanks DC for the clip. I am in the market for the mid depth wheelsets with C50 or HUNT 4554 to decide. Price wises, HUNT is unbeatable but feedbacks on HUNT varies. Just wondering in your experience how different HUNT is to C50 and what feature/ quality in C50 wins you are soul over HUNT?
What about Bontrager RSL 37V? I’m currently riding XXX4 with 30mm and am quite happy. These have have 21mm internal width but the 37V have an internal width of 25mm which appeals to me.
That's tough to answer not knowing anything about you and your rides. 7.4 sounds pretty good though. Certainly you could go lower in weight definitely but so many factors (no pun intended) should be considered...
@@DiabeticCycling my previous bike was Trex Madone, I upgraded from Ultegra Di2 11 speed …. I’m a casual cyclist only ride during weekend. started cycling during the Pendemic. Started of with Alcot aero bike china brand bike cw Ultegra mechinical group set then Cannondale super evo six mechical then Trex Madone came with Bontrager Aerolus Pro 5 then upgraded to Aerolus RSL 51. Here in my country bike parts is expensive my Bontrager Aerolus RSL 51 wheelset is Rm11,000……Princeton 4555 is Rm14,000….
Hey, very informative video, thanks! You mentioned aboutb zipp 303s tyre problem. So i am curious, what tyres were causing issues for you, losing air ? Thanks
Hi Petar! The tire(s) that constantly leaked were Schwalbe Pro One 28mm. I had 8 of them all brand new tried on 4 different wheelsets, all couldn't hold air. Shame because the same tires 25mm were so rock solid for me like 4 years straight. So since, I moved onto different tires. (and the different tires on the same 4 wheelsets mentioned had no problem holding air)
@DiabeticCycling thanks! I was really hyped about getting the 303s, but after your experience i am kinda doubting it 😅 in germany they are easier amd cheaper to find than hunt... 303s 830€ price is really attractive. And I think to ride them with contiental gp 5000 s tr. I mostly ride my road bike in sunny days. Do you think i should go for them or to look for other options, like hunt although they are around ~30% more
Great video. Do you think 404 firecrest should be included in this class? My bike is trek Emonda, I have been told that 404 is too deep for a climbing bike. Most of my friends suggest me getting the 303 firecrest instead 😑
I just picked up a set of 404 Firecrests for my Ribble. I wouldn't put the 58mm 404 in the category of mid-depth wheels but one could make an argument for sure. 404 is pretty light. Just 5-6 years ago, the weight of 404 Firecrest would've been considered great for climb wheels. 303 Firecrest, probably and arguably one of the best all around wheels period.
303S with 45mm depth vs Dura Ace 50mm depth, I have no issues with deeper Dura Ace wheels. The 303S I do not and will not ever trust. If my buddy does anything so little as whistle, that will knock me off my bike. I will ride a 55m depth wheels over the 303S anyday, all day and twice on Sunday.
I bought my 50mm Prime Black Edition carbon disc rims for £780 & wrapped them in latex tubes at £11 each & encased them in Continental Gp5000s 28mm tyres at £48 each & if i be honest these wheels can more than hold its own alongside any £2k,4k rims hands down....!!
Hi Daniel. I can't speak for 303 Rim version since I never rode a pair. That said, I currently ride 404 Firecrest 58mm and DESPITE the deeper depth, they perform ASTRONOMICALLY better than 303S with shallower depth.
Trying to decide between C36 and C50. As you have both I'd like to hear your thoughts. I'm not worried about cross winds but more so ride comfort on bumpy roads. Are the C50 a harsher ride compared to C36? Cheers
Hi Nathan. C50s are NOWHERE NEAR harsh. One of the best wheelset I've had pleasure of riding pound per pound. That said, C36 at 100 grams lighter also don't lose much in terms of being as "aero" as the 50s. In reverse, I don't notice much of that 100 grams of additional weight going from 36s to 50s. For all around day to day, special day, whatever, I would say 50s would be an EXCELLENT choice.
Hi! Can I ask you what was the paint color of your Orbea Orca? Which orange out of the two available? Was it matte or gloss? It’s gorgeous! Thanks in advance!
I just bought the DA C36, and I’m completely mystified how you get the silent coasting you demonstrate. For me, there’s plenty of the usual ratchet noise-just like every other hub with a DT Swiss-style mechanism. GCN’s review has the same noise, so I don’t think mine is defective. Are we looking at the same wheel? Mine is brand new from Shimano, purchased September 2024.
Your wheels are perfect. I would take the C36s you got to any mountain! As to the noise and lackthereof, my bearings are a bit too much greased contributing to there not being noise. I found that out after the episode went online.
@@DiabeticCycling Aha! Thanks for the clarification. It’s a pity, because I would welcome silent coasting hubs, but the Shimano sound is fine and it does let people know you’re approaching. I was tempted to build wheels with totally silent Onyx hubs, but the weight and potential for serviceability issues scared me off. The Shimano hubs are well documented, at least, and parts should be available for a long time.
Back when I was on rim brake bikes, I also had ridden several different sets. On budget offerings, I found Tokyo Wheels to be absolutely phenomenal in value and performance. Mid tier, I really liked Bontrager Aeolus 5. With a few extra dollar, DT Swiss offerings are excellent.
Love your videos man. Question though....I really don't understand why your C50 Shimano wheels were so quiet...That's not accurate for a standard Dura ace hub. They aren't the loudest but they're definitely not that quiet (I've heard them myself, and knw Shimano guy and maybe you have too much grease from the manufacturer in them.)
Hello. I also own a Pinarello Prince but I also play Ibanez Prestige RGD, RD, Fender YM. You often have a lot of guitars behind your back. Are you a guitarist?
@@DiabeticCycling yea it's so easy to watch one. I'm riding 303s and got the same problem. Really want to swap it with Dura Ace C50 but man it's hard to spend like almost twice the price of Hyper haha. I haven't pull the trigger yet
@@chakrasurya7601 My Dura Ace wheels bought used but in terrific condition at half the cost after negotiating with the seller. Opportunities will be there if you keep looking. As to Hypers, they may be fine but I've seen enough people showing issues with them that I wouldn't yet commit my money to. If I have a chance to put them through their pace, I will be more than happy to but not by spending my money. :)
Hey DC FYI I bought the DA wheels and they are so fast and very good on cross wind compares to 303s! Thank you so much for your review which took me to DA C50
Hi Michael. I haven't ridden the SLRs, so couldn't say anything about. Coincidentally, I have a ride scheduled next month with a homie who is riding on SLR 1 42 front and SLR 1 65 in rear...
Hey Marcus, how goes it? I spread my love equally as best can! Lately though, I have been spending a bit more time on the Ultra SLR so I can produce the review video for it.
I have not ridden the Hypers. I know of them since every cycling UA-camr shows them. If opportunity arises and I can trust their quality, perhaps time will come.
@@DiabeticCycling thank you. I really love your channel. I love your wallet!!! Good information that matters, and very aspirational in the bikes you choose.
2k vs 1k, off the top of my head i can think of 4-5 chinese wheel brands who make lighter, modern, amazing aero performance wheelsets that are equal to if not better than western brands in quality. so 2k is not only not 2x better than 1k wheels nowadays if we're talking chinese vs western wheels, they are not even as good as the cheaper ones.
I'm a huge Shimano fan. Huge. However, I saw a test that showed their wheels are slower than some others. I've never owned Shimano wheels.. what do people think of them, are they slower?
@G If you just want something that looks nice and a bit of aero then China wheels are fine. If you want the best wheels, then look at the pros, none, no one rode China wheels, only top of the line brand name wheels only. The video you saw is probably the same one I saw, the Ultegra wheelset didn't test well against others in the group. MVDP used the Dura-Ace wheels on his bike, should be enough reasons for anyone who wants a pair but had doubts.
@@lengc83 No China wheels! The Chinese are massive thieves of IP. Why would I buy wheels that were stolen from another company? I don't like thieves and I certainly won't support them.
Absolutely a fair question. Despite riding hundreds of miles every week and working so many hours everyday, I am a lazy individual by nature LOL... I didn't feel like swapping out the freehub body to switch the wheelset and everything else that goes with it. Then I also kept the 303S (still don't like them too much for road use) for a possible future project to build a gravel. But, you are 1000000% correct in assuming me to keep the Hunts. and I should have.
Hi , I have experiences with dura ace c 24 , and Roval rapide clx 40 on my Bianchi xr1 , ultegra bike. Few years Ago I upgraded wheels to DAc24 with 23 MM Turbo cotton tyres after few years I wanted something more aero , better wheels and bought one od the best wheels Roval rapide clx 40, I was thinking that I will be quicker on my Well knon route , my best average was 35 km h with dura ace wheels, When I bought Roval my average was only 32 km , I repeated samé route Yearr later and speed was 31, 8 . I Don t understatd it. I feel that DA wheels has better inertia than rovals with ceramic bearings , but only with 24 shallow ríms.It is weird. Thank your for review od tarmac sl8 pro. I want build the same bike like you with c 50 wheels, I will not pay twice for Roval or other Brand with ceramic bearings without effect on my average speed . I absolutely love DA hubs , quiet, and roll like butter. Thank you.
Exactly how do you live somewhere where’s there’s no crosswind? Unless you only ride in a straight line and never turn almost everywhere has a crosswind
Iam searching for wheels but i think price is too high / too much issues (Even at 1k) . Its not worth for me at the moment. When you will start guitar series videos ? Is that a Jackson , blue - pink body?
thanks for the response, I enjoy your review contents, How would you recommend Hunts wheelset? durable enough compared to other expensive wheelsets?@@DiabeticCycling
@@DiabeticCycling lol if we were in the same area, I’d lend you mine. Just that mine is paired with the DT Swiss 370 hub which I do not like. I ordered a DT Swiss ERC dicut 1100 with 180 hub but it weighs 1422g. 35mm front and 45mm rear. My reserve weighs only 1300g and I’m wondering if I made the right decision. 😅
@@Snailchesster 1100 with 180 would be a deadly setup. 35/45 awesome for everyday especially coming in only at 1300! I myself am trying to get my hands on a set of 52/63 for my Ribble. Not easy to find at all as Jumbo Visma have all the wheels...
@@DiabeticCycling a comfort to know it’s a deadly setup. 😆 but it weighs 1422g, 122g more than Reserve’s 1300g R5 wheels. But then again, my Reserves are just 34mm and 37mm front and rear. All the best to looking for those deep Reserve wheels!
I am aware of them obviously since every cycling UA-camr featured them. I was tempted a few times to get a pair but seeing enough issues with longevity and quality of bearings etc., haven't been able to commit. Not to say I will never ride them at some point though. We shall see.
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Thanks for your information. As a 75 year old, retired, old guy getting back into cycling I appreciate honest opinions from those with more experience(s). I try to do a lot of research when considering purchasing almost anything so as to make that limited fixed income go farther. I am cycling to have a better and healthier life, not for competition, but still wish to have better components such as wheels and tires. So thanks again for your experiences and opinions. It adds to my research!
Mr. Bridwell, thanks for your time watching as well as dropping this lovely comment. I am thankful to hear that my endless yapping is helpful in any way. Great to hear you are pedaling out there no matter what age. Be safe!
Thank you for the best video on the topic Ive seen so far on UA-cam. Especially Shimano wheels seems to lack reviews compared to many other brands, but the reviews are usually good.
Thank you for your time watching! I have an episode coming out that pits the Shimano wheels against Zipp 404 and Enve SES. I hope to shed some light in all 3 pitted against.
Can’t tell you how much I enjoy your reviews, thanks
Aww can't tell you how much I sincerely appreciate that! Thank you so much Robert!
Thank you DC! I watch a lot of videos on cycling and I have to say that your content is one of my favorites. This particular video has been extremely helpful in helping me finalize my decision on a wheelset for a new build. Your information is direct and authentic and I really appreciate your effort. I would love to see a video on carbon handlebars if you're ever up for it. Thanks once again and keep up the great work.
Hi Sherman! I don't even know what to say to those words... Thank you so much!!! I do have plans to make a video about saddles and another for bars/stem.
How you could write about helping finalize decision and don't share it out loud😅
Love your videos. Great balance between useful, practical info, and comedy 😅 Dude, you are so funny! Keep the content coming!
Thanks Kato!!!
Fully agree with your idea of "balance" between cost and performance. I will be riding the Enve Foundation 45 wheels this year.
Foundation 45s, a set I wish I had ridden to feature in this episode for sure!!!
With how good Chinese wheel manufacturers are getting, there is no point to go over spending $1500. The Elitewheels Drive are only $1200 and offer as good performance as a $2000+ wheel as well as weight.
Some people hate these wheels and really they work and perform well. Some of don’t even own a bike over $1k
Very good episode, DB! I believe Shimano has always put reliability & quality on top of their priority list. Obviously almost every cyclist started with Shimano, then hated it for being mainstream, then for some reason went back to Shimano for its quality. Been there, done that. Now back on the saddle (only this time on paved roads), I use the Giant SLR 1 42mm → great set of wheels, very reliable, very little air leak, extremely good on long climbs, very stable on windy conditions (unlike my Elite wheels BWT), and smooth rolling hubs. Combined with the Cadex Race 25 tires (measures 26mm), they give me confidence on cornering. However, I only weigh 60kg. The main downside is they’re very noisy (and perhaps the internal rim width; but I know an ultra endurance guy that used them with Schwalbe Pro One 28 with no issue).
Thanks for dropping some words! I've been meaning to try the Schwalbe Pro Ones again after the years going by. I just couldn't believe all 8 brand new tires were doing the same thing. Perhaps now is the time since I got some new wheels for the channel.... muhahahahaha !! Thanks again!
@@DiabeticCycling correction DB: he used Schwalbe Pro One 700x30 (and he got 1st place)
I found this video just after ordering a set of DURA-ACE C50s 🙌 can’t wait to get them installed and try them out 😀
Good video…you pushed me over the edge and got a good priced set of c50s
Lovely wheels
They will never do you wrong. A new episode is in the works where I pit the C50s against Zipp 404 Firecrests and Enve SES 4.5s. The final verdict of my humble opinion will surprise many.
In europe Zipp 303s are 850€ and are a steal for that price. I have them and had no issues with crosswinds. Wind doesn't even move them. I don't know if it is more problem with different geometry bikes or something but I can tell that the wind is not a problem.
Hi Flexo! Thank you for your time watching and dropping a comment! I'm glad to hear your experience has been different than mine. Keep safe out there and be well!
Bravo DC !!!! This is exactly the kind of video most riders need when gathering information on what a given wheel brand and depth will give them regarding Cost/Performance/Quality when upgrading. If it was my wallet deciding then I'd say the Hunt are great wheels for all the reason's you mention...the hubs are loud so be aware you won't sneak up on anyone. I would love to ride those Dura-Ace C50's though and if I could stretch my budget or find a nice set used that would be my overall choice. Thanks again for all you time and effort in producing fantastic content and your unbiased opinion brought to us by your own damn Wallet. Keep it RSD my friend.
Thank you Chance! Am I too harsh on the 303S?
@@DiabeticCycling I've ridden my 303s primarily on my gravel bike so much less wind on those rides with the tree's and wind protected roads I usually ride. I also have Firecrest 303-404 and those I've ridden on the road in windy conditions and they've performed well. The thing is once you've had a bad experience with something it's hard to forget and when it's happened a few times like on your different rides then it's better to step away from those wheels.
@@chancebex5947 Ah yes, gravel would be totally different variables. I am about to bring in a set of 404 Firecrest for the Ribble as it is severely handicapped by the in-house wheels myself!
thanks & greets from berlin/germany🙋♂️
Thanks Michael!
I just stumbled onto your UA-cam video and I find you, and your review very refreshing. You seem like you would honestly take on a new challenge. The challenge I want to present to you is clearly visible in the "first 3 seconds" of this video introduction. If you notice the fast spinning wheel is oscillating because the wheel has "No Rotational Balance". Fact is out of balance wheels create interrupted inertia which eats Watts like a big bowl of LuckyCharms. That said, I think everyone doing any kind of high performance comparison reviews should carefully balance the wheels first to level the playing field.
The problem is aerodynamic tech on wheels have hit a barrier, so the next logical step to make aerodynamic wheels and bikes go faster is "BALANCE"! The reason wheel manufacturers avoid the subject is because they don't understand it and it's effects. Also they clearly don't know how to make a balance system that's 100% consumer, dealer, OEM and manufacturer friendly. Also there is no consumer demand, yet..... Frankly speaking wheel balance tech now, is just like aerodynamics was 30 years ago when I worked for the Japan Group. I would constantly ask ARAYA rim division to make aerodynamic shaped rims, only to be met with laughter and be technically ridiculed.
Anyways, I'm going to e-mail you to give you some of my knowledge on the subject of wheel balance as I have been studying bicycle wheel balance for over 15 years. It would be nice to see someone like you be the first to fully understand this new technology and be the first review and introduce the added performance balanced wheels have to offer.
By the way, I now live in Seattle, and from the looks of your video, that's Angeles Crest Hy in So Cal. When I was a Cat-1 I used to train all over that highway. Please look for my e-mail. Sincerely Dan Sotelo
another great review man!!! thanks and hope to ride with you soon! 👍🏻
Any time homie. Thanks for watching!
I’ve been leaning towards the 4454 Hunts but you really make me want those Dura Ace. I do sort of like a loud hub though. My stock wheels on my Prince (Fulcrums) only got used a couple times and they had the quietest hub I’ve ever ridden. Stealthy is kind of cool, but it’s also nice if you end up on a bike path for a bit to have some noise so people hear you coming and move over easier
Duane, it does not get ANY LOUDER than the hub in 44/54. What you see and hear in this video does not do the sound any justice. I reckon it's one of the loudest if not the loudest any wheels.
Duane, just change the grease or remove the big globsthey pack them with. I removed some, went with a lighter coating of a good grease. My Fulcrums are louder now, although they're back-up, back-ups. My Hunts are louder than any hub I've heard in person. My Racing Zeros are the middle ground. I'm looking at another set of Hunts with a deeper section. Thanks DC, your content is very good brother!
@@dvs70 Thank you Jeffrey!
The issue I take with the Mercury S5's is that the internal width is 17mm which is fairly narrow by todays standards. The industry is moving towards wider rims due to it having better aerodynamic, comfort and grip (bigger contact patch with the road) benefits.
In contrast with the S5. I recently upgraded to some budget carbon hoops from 9velo - RV55's. They are 55mm depth and weigh in at 1580g. 9velo quoted them to weigh in at 1567g which is perfectly fine compared to my HUNT super dura's which were quoted at 1595g on their website but weighed 1770g when they arrived. And that 175g difference wasnt because HUNT had packed the wheel bearings with extra grease either. I had my bike mechanic have a look at it and they did it at no extra cost as I already had my bike with them for pretty big overhaul.
HUNT aside. These RV55s are very much an upgrade. The only real downside so far with this 9velo wheelset are the Sapim Race spokes instead of CX-Xray spokes but I knew that going into it. I paid $630 and opting for the more expensive CX-Ray spoke package would have kicked the price up to $800 which was out of my budget and not worth it. given how cheap those spokes can be bought for in the UK.
Ive only had a chance to take them out for a short spin but so far I like them and im trying to teach myself to take it easy trying not to cook the brake track 😅😅 rim brake problems...
Great video and great reviews! I’m looking for new wheels myself and this video will definitely help me in making a decision.
Thanks for that, Joshua! Hope you find your hoops soon sir!
Howdy, from Melbourne.
Great review! Would love a 303 or 404 Firecrest review if you ever get your hands on them!
Hi Orestis! Thanks for your time watching and the kind words! 404 Firecrest review is coming at ya hopefully soon. Been rolling on them for about 4 months now.
Great reviews and very helpful! Keep them coming!
Thank you so much Steve!!!
Hey DC love your videos. They have been oh so infromative for me through out the years. Started with thw S3 way back long ago, which i still ride. Was hoping for a review on your Grail 6 with 650b wheels . Thnank You for all your videos.
James! Thanks brother! If you know me from my S3 days, that goes waaaaay back! The Grail, I actually ended up selling it without a full review. That was a super fun bike. Dollar per Smile ratio was VERY HIGH on that one. If I had infinite garage space, I would have kept it but also I am not really a gravel rider which would've made it sit around more than needed. But for its price, you wouldn't do wrong getting a Grail. Just a mega fun bike to whip around anywhere, literally.
@@DiabeticCycling Hey DC thnaks for the reply. Ya lost your channel there for a while but happy to have found this one man. Im Korean like yourself that lives and rides in Toronto Canada, wow your knowledge of Cervelo is impressive. Keep the videos coming brother cheers!
BTW, I been using Zipp 303s paired with Goodyear Eagle F1 Tubeless Complete (30mm) for about two years now. I am happy with this wheel/tire combination, no issue whatsoever. Once I get either C50 or C60, I will use Zipp 303s for my gravel bike.
I've got Reserve 40/44 wheels built with DT 180 hubs. While my wheels cost $2499 with the DT 180 hubs, the wheels built with DT 350 hubs only cost $1799. The wheels have an internal width of 25.5mm in front and 25mm in back, which is pretty much what I wanted so that I could comfortably run fatter tires for gravel. Depths are 40mm in front and 44mm in back. I love 'em. They weigh about 1370g, yet the rims feel very burly. The rims have mini-hooks, so tire retention is better. I run tubeless and can go 4 or 5 days without having to add air (I run 30mm Conti GP 5000 S TR tubeless tires, which measure 33mm wide when inflated). As a bonus, the Fillmore valves are awesome.
I currently have Bontrager Aeolus XXX4 wheels, with an inner width of 21. I’m curious about the reserve 40/44… are you still happy with them?
@@andrewbardwell1763 , I'm completely chuffed with them. They came out of the box true and are still perfectly true after 4000 miles. I use their Fillmore valve stems and have had zero issues with the valve stems clogging. I have not found any voids on the exterior or inside the rim bed. As a test when I got them, I mounted 30mm Conti GP5000TR S tires, and they held air for almost a week with no sealant inside. And the tires were easy to mount.
The DT180 hubs were a splurge on my part (the bike is my dream bike). They're not too loud, and like all DT hubs, they're dead reliable.
I've hit a couple pot holes and a few bike bumps on the road and on gravel, and rims have zero damage.
I couldn't be happier with these wheels.
I had a pair of the Zipp 303s wheel set, couldn't get rid of them fast enough for that very reason. Also I found it impossible to seat a tire on the side of the road when I flatted and needed to put a tube in.
Great video. Have you tried the Bontrager Aeolus Pro or RSL51 wheels?
Nice back drop, especially the EVH!
Mr. Chouinad, thanks for your time watching and commenting! I love a guy who identifies what I have hanging behind me \m/ I actually rolled on Aeolus 50 for about 4 years 2018-2022. I also have a Madone queued up for the channel which sports Aeolus 51.
You should add one more wheel, Ultegra C50, they have 100 grams more than DA, same shape, same aerodynamics, same silent spooky hub and cost 50% of DA...
I thought the hub is different between dura ace and ultegra.
@nathancampbell82 the free hub is different on dura ace ,accept 12 speed cassette only.😢
Great comps buddy! Kick the haters to the curb and keep up the great work!
Ha! Thank you Kris.
Thank you bro! If or when you do get them, do share your experience. Thanks for your reply!🚴🏻♂️
awesome insights! keep it up bro!
Thanks Erick!
Yo, got the aerodynamicist 50mm Hunts and have the Cervelo Soloist. Great reviews, keep 'em coming.
You have one of my favorite wheels and the same bike I have? You must be devilishly handsome and have a great taste in things to boot! Thank you for your time watching!😎
@@DiabeticCycling LOL, kudos to you sir.
I just ordered the 54s are they good? Going on a merida reacto. Thanks
Thank you for your excellent content. As a 65 year old man getting back into cycling, I recently purchased a Canyon 2023 Di2 Endurace. That being said I would like to upgrade my wheels from the stock DT Swiss Endurance LN SH11. I was looking for the the Hunt 5065 but cant find them available. Im leaning now towards the new Shimano C-50 Ultegra Wheels. What do you think?
Nice wheelset / guitar collection ! Iam not group rider and like the idea of shallow rims for my hilly area. Iam considering buying fulcrumzero alu but i see many uses 40-50 mm . Should i rething about mid-deep wheels?
I have Zipp 303's. Completely agree with you...they are lethal in cross winds. Very happy to find this video. Thank you!
Sorry to hear you have the same issue I have but sure happy to have you onboard! Thanks for taking the time to drop a comment!
What do you think about Bontrager carbon wheels? I recently bought a set of Bontrager Aeolus Elite 35 wheels for a total of $900. Did I get a good deal, or do you think I could have done better for the money?
I rolled on a pair of Aeolus 50 for like 3-4 years. They had rebadged DTSwiss hubs. Absolutely a fantastic set of wheels. I am sure you will do just fine!
Another great video. Please can you evaluate the roval as compared to dura ace. And would you favor 50s over 60s?
Thanks, Mohamad! Unfortunately, I have not owned and ridden any Rovals to be able to comment...
How’s the hunt low end 32 carbon model? Or is it better to go with a better alloy set like the dtswiss GR1600 with a nicer 350hub?
Hi, Great review as always! Would you mind sharing your opinion between C50 and C60? I am undecided as price are the same. Thanks
Thank you. I can't say anything about C60 since I haven't been able to ride a pair. I do have a pair of C36. That all said, in a perfect world, I would love a C50 front and C60 rear...
@@DiabeticCycling Thanks for your reply. I got C50 last week and used it twice already. Very happy so far with the wheel. Thinking the same thing, might get C60 for the rear for Fast flat rides.
Great content! But i hope you will consider and review the Vision Metron 45 SL. This was used by a number of world tour pro cyclists including those who are sponsored by other wheel brands (they just covered the vision metron logo)
Your thoughts on how these wheels might compare to Campy’s Bora wheels. Also, would recommend clincher tires for the wheel sets in this review? Thanks.
Hi Weley! Campy Bora is definitely on a list of wheels for me to ride on at some point. But since I haven't, I really couldn't tell ya in terms of comparison.
New Subscriber. I loved this comparison! And not to windy at all. I enjoyed the side stories and comparisons that give useful context to your review. I ride the Bontrager Pro 3 on my rim brake carbon bike, but I plan to a buy a new bike. I gotta go up on my wheels, so I was planning on Bontrager Aeolus RSL 51 TLR, Weight 1410, Inner Width 23, Outer Width 31, Cost: $2,398. Your Shimano Dura Ace seemed like a super positive review, and about the same price. Do you have an opinion on these two sets of wheels?
Basically the reviews and what you said for all wheels are the same.. great rolling, aero, good hub etc2 (except for Zipp's crosswind which you have covered in your other video). You rated the first wheel as 3.75 yet did not mention its weakness (aside for its obviously heavier weight). Would love to hear more pros and cons and more technical data instead of just saying the same thing over and over again. After watching the video I'm still not well informed about the performance different for all these wheelsets. I can read the spec sheet alright but what the audience wants to know is the difference in terms of real life performance. Cheers.
So we can say. There’s no that big difference on them ;). Haha. even wheel companies do not compare wheel by wheel under techincal standards. 😅
Thanks DC for the clip. I am in the market for the mid depth wheelsets with C50 or HUNT 4554 to decide. Price wises, HUNT is unbeatable but feedbacks on HUNT varies. Just wondering in your experience how different HUNT is to C50 and what feature/ quality in C50 wins you are soul over HUNT?
More videos on wheels! Not that I can afford to buy wheels these days due to increased home spending.
More coming at ya for sure.
What about Bontrager RSL 37V? I’m currently riding XXX4 with 30mm and am quite happy. These have have 21mm internal width but the 37V have an internal width of 25mm which appeals to me.
Nice video i would like to know where you got that shirt, Amsterdam?
My bike setup… Factor Ostro VAM c/w Dura Ace Di2 & Bontrager Aerolus RSL 51 Wheelset… Sworks carbon bottle cage weight 7.4kg ….. should I change wheel set to reduce weight ??
That's tough to answer not knowing anything about you and your rides. 7.4 sounds pretty good though. Certainly you could go lower in weight definitely but so many factors (no pun intended) should be considered...
@@DiabeticCycling my previous bike was Trex Madone, I upgraded from Ultegra Di2 11 speed …. I’m a casual cyclist only ride during weekend. started cycling during the Pendemic. Started of with Alcot aero bike china brand bike cw Ultegra mechinical group set then Cannondale super evo six mechical then Trex Madone came with Bontrager Aerolus Pro 5 then upgraded to Aerolus RSL 51. Here in my country bike parts is expensive my Bontrager Aerolus RSL 51 wheelset is Rm11,000……Princeton 4555 is Rm14,000….
Hey, very informative video, thanks! You mentioned aboutb zipp 303s tyre problem. So i am curious, what tyres were causing issues for you, losing air ? Thanks
Hi Petar! The tire(s) that constantly leaked were Schwalbe Pro One 28mm. I had 8 of them all brand new tried on 4 different wheelsets, all couldn't hold air. Shame because the same tires 25mm were so rock solid for me like 4 years straight. So since, I moved onto different tires. (and the different tires on the same 4 wheelsets mentioned had no problem holding air)
@DiabeticCycling thanks!
I was really hyped about getting the 303s, but after your experience i am kinda doubting it 😅 in germany they are easier amd cheaper to find than hunt... 303s 830€ price is really attractive. And I think to ride them with contiental gp 5000 s tr. I mostly ride my road bike in sunny days. Do you think i should go for them or to look for other options, like hunt although they are around ~30% more
Hi DC, nice vid. very informative. would you be so kind to include vision metron 45 SL on you wheelset review? please 😊
Great video. Do you think 404 firecrest should be included in this class? My bike is trek Emonda, I have been told that 404 is too deep for a climbing bike. Most of my friends suggest me getting the 303 firecrest instead 😑
I just picked up a set of 404 Firecrests for my Ribble. I wouldn't put the 58mm 404 in the category of mid-depth wheels but one could make an argument for sure. 404 is pretty light. Just 5-6 years ago, the weight of 404 Firecrest would've been considered great for climb wheels. 303 Firecrest, probably and arguably one of the best all around wheels period.
@@DiabeticCycling What do you think about the 404? 404 vs Dura Ace? 😎
@@DiabeticCycling thanks for the feedback, appreciate that buddy 🍻👍
Love the reviews I’m in the market between a set of zipp 303s or the ultegra c50. How was the wind on your Dura ace set? Cheers
303S with 45mm depth vs Dura Ace 50mm depth, I have no issues with deeper Dura Ace wheels. The 303S I do not and will not ever trust. If my buddy does anything so little as whistle, that will knock me off my bike. I will ride a 55m depth wheels over the 303S anyday, all day and twice on Sunday.
Would you be able to replace the c50 freehub with an 11speed hub?
It woulf be super nice to have included a carbon spoke wheel in the comparison. Of course you would have to buy some! Beggars can't be choosers. 😅
Hi. Thank you for your Chanel.
Was wondering if you have any information on Benelli Gravel Bikes?
Unfortunately, no... Sorry!
I bought my 50mm Prime Black Edition carbon disc rims for £780 & wrapped them in latex tubes at £11 each & encased them in Continental Gp5000s 28mm tyres at £48 each & if i be honest these wheels can more than hold its own alongside any £2k,4k rims hands down....!!
How do you like the Zipp 303 firecrest 45 mm rim brake vs 303s disk? Did those suffer in the cross winds the same as the S?
Hi Daniel. I can't speak for 303 Rim version since I never rode a pair. That said, I currently ride 404 Firecrest 58mm and DESPITE the deeper depth, they perform ASTRONOMICALLY better than 303S with shallower depth.
@@DiabeticCycling Maybe i wont sell my Giant SLR1 wheels and just get 404s. SLR1s for training and windy/hilly days.
Trying to decide between C36 and C50. As you have both I'd like to hear your thoughts. I'm not worried about cross winds but more so ride comfort on bumpy roads. Are the C50 a harsher ride compared to C36? Cheers
Hi Nathan. C50s are NOWHERE NEAR harsh. One of the best wheelset I've had pleasure of riding pound per pound. That said, C36 at 100 grams lighter also don't lose much in terms of being as "aero" as the 50s. In reverse, I don't notice much of that 100 grams of additional weight going from 36s to 50s. For all around day to day, special day, whatever, I would say 50s would be an EXCELLENT choice.
Thank you very much! You've helped make up my mind on the C50 and yes I think the small change in weight won't be all that noticeable either. Cheers!
Hi! Can I ask you what was the paint color of your Orbea Orca? Which orange out of the two available? Was it matte or gloss? It’s gorgeous! Thanks in advance!
Metallic Electric Orange gloss it was.
@@DiabeticCycling Thanks!
I just bought the DA C36, and I’m completely mystified how you get the silent coasting you demonstrate. For me, there’s plenty of the usual ratchet noise-just like every other hub with a DT Swiss-style mechanism. GCN’s review has the same noise, so I don’t think mine is defective. Are we looking at the same wheel? Mine is brand new from Shimano, purchased September 2024.
Your wheels are perfect. I would take the C36s you got to any mountain! As to the noise and lackthereof, my bearings are a bit too much greased contributing to there not being noise. I found that out after the episode went online.
@@DiabeticCycling Aha! Thanks for the clarification. It’s a pity, because I would welcome silent coasting hubs, but the Shimano sound is fine and it does let people know you’re approaching. I was tempted to build wheels with totally silent Onyx hubs, but the weight and potential for serviceability issues scared me off. The Shimano hubs are well documented, at least, and parts should be available for a long time.
How do your Reverse Wheels from the Cevelo Bike stack up again at the these?
This is the hybrid/gravel bike you need...
anyone try the reserve 40/44 wheel set ? thx for the info. might have to look into a few of theses wheelers as well
Are your hunt wheels on the standard bearings or the optional ceramicspeed ones?. Great vid by the way many thanks.
Hi Steven. Just the regular standard ol' bearing ones :) Thank you sir!
안녕하세요^^ 궁금해서 그러는데 45mm 랑 60mm wheel 차이가 그렇게 많이나나요? 15mm~20mm (2cm) 차이가 그렇게 큰가 해서 물어봅니다
I own the Lun (Winspace) 45 wheels and I can't shake the crosswind instability. What rim brake wheels do you recommend at that depth?
Back when I was on rim brake bikes, I also had ridden several different sets. On budget offerings, I found Tokyo Wheels to be absolutely phenomenal in value and performance. Mid tier, I really liked Bontrager Aeolus 5. With a few extra dollar, DT Swiss offerings are excellent.
HED Jet RC5 Plus Black Edition (black turbine braking technology)
I want to order hunt 44 . Should I choose steel or carbon spoke ?
Love your t shirt where did you get that from?
Ha thanks! My wife picked it up for me when she was traveling last year going through Netherlands :)
Love your videos man. Question though....I really don't understand why your C50 Shimano wheels were so quiet...That's not accurate for a standard Dura ace hub. They aren't the loudest but they're definitely not that quiet (I've heard them myself, and knw Shimano guy and maybe you have too much grease from the manufacturer in them.)
Subscribed! Which tyre you put with your C-50?
Mr. Bond, I am running Enve SES 29mm.
24:04 nice jumpscare :O
Hello. I also own a Pinarello Prince but I also play Ibanez Prestige RGD, RD, Fender YM. You often have a lot of guitars behind your back. Are you a guitarist?
Let's say I "try" to play LOL... With my wrist injuries, it's been pretty difficult especially last few years. I have several Ibanez axes as well. \m/
@@DiabeticCycling Yes, even after long trainings on a bicycle it is very difficult to play!
Have you checked the FFWD 60mm wheels?
Hi Mark. I've been wanting to run FFWDs for a while but haven't come across.
Thank you DC! Have you tried the Winspace Hyper D45?
Hi Chakra. Although every cycling UA-camr seems to have a pair, I am not special enough to have tried a pair LOLOLOL
@@DiabeticCycling yea it's so easy to watch one. I'm riding 303s and got the same problem. Really want to swap it with Dura Ace C50 but man it's hard to spend like almost twice the price of Hyper haha. I haven't pull the trigger yet
@@chakrasurya7601 My Dura Ace wheels bought used but in terrific condition at half the cost after negotiating with the seller. Opportunities will be there if you keep looking. As to Hypers, they may be fine but I've seen enough people showing issues with them that I wouldn't yet commit my money to. If I have a chance to put them through their pace, I will be more than happy to but not by spending my money. :)
@@DiabeticCycling thanks man! Yes I've read some comment about it. That's why I'm looking for another review at your channel lol
Hey DC FYI I bought the DA wheels and they are so fast and very good on cross wind compares to 303s! Thank you so much for your review which took me to DA C50
What do u think about combination of Dura Ace C50 in the front and C60 in the back?
In a perfect world, that's the combination I'd ride. Too bad they don't mix up like that unlike Enve and Reserve etc.
Curious do you have any experience with Giants SLR 1 42mm wheel set($1600) and how it might compare to any of these wheels?
Hi Michael. I haven't ridden the SLRs, so couldn't say anything about. Coincidentally, I have a ride scheduled next month with a homie who is riding on SLR 1 42 front and SLR 1 65 in rear...
Nice video, which bike have you ridden the most so far?😄
Hey Marcus, how goes it? I spread my love equally as best can! Lately though, I have been spending a bit more time on the Ultra SLR so I can produce the review video for it.
What about Lun Hyper? Haven’t you rode those too?
I have not ridden the Hypers. I know of them since every cycling UA-camr shows them. If opportunity arises and I can trust their quality, perhaps time will come.
@@DiabeticCycling thank you. I really love your channel. I love your wallet!!! Good information that matters, and very aspirational in the bikes you choose.
@@SCWgreg aww thank you so much!!
Can I use Dura Ace C50 with SRAM, convert it to XDR?
Hi. I don't think Shimano makes XDR freehub body for their wheels. And if true, it wouldn't be possible...
2k vs 1k,
off the top of my head i can think of 4-5 chinese wheel brands who make lighter, modern, amazing aero performance wheelsets that are equal to if not better than western brands in quality.
so 2k is not only not 2x better than 1k wheels nowadays if we're talking chinese vs western wheels, they are not even as good as the cheaper ones.
The DA C50’s were great until they weren’t. I’ve returned 2 sets under warranty due to freehub issues.
I'm a huge Shimano fan. Huge. However, I saw a test that showed their wheels are slower than some others. I've never owned Shimano wheels.. what do people think of them, are they slower?
Just get the China wheels, Dura ace is not for everyone.
@@lengc83 Do you not like them.. why?
@G If you just want something that looks nice and a bit of aero then China wheels are fine. If you want the best wheels, then look at the pros, none, no one rode China wheels, only top of the line brand name wheels only. The video you saw is probably the same one I saw, the Ultegra wheelset didn't test well against others in the group. MVDP used the Dura-Ace wheels on his bike, should be enough reasons for anyone who wants a pair but had doubts.
Look at this years TDF. Their wheels have the most stage wins
@@lengc83 No China wheels! The Chinese are massive thieves of IP. Why would I buy wheels that were stolen from another company? I don't like thieves and I certainly won't support them.
Wheels, tires and saddle. Get any of those wrong, and the rest doesn't matter.
AMEN
Hi, why did not you keep the Hunt that you like very much and kept the Zipp ypu do not like so much?
Absolutely a fair question. Despite riding hundreds of miles every week and working so many hours everyday, I am a lazy individual by nature LOL... I didn't feel like swapping out the freehub body to switch the wheelset and everything else that goes with it. Then I also kept the 303S (still don't like them too much for road use) for a possible future project to build a gravel. But, you are 1000000% correct in assuming me to keep the Hunts. and I should have.
Mercury Wheels closed shop on Feb 17 2023 ☹️
You should try Xentis Mark wheels.
Hi , I have experiences with dura ace c 24 , and Roval rapide clx 40 on my Bianchi xr1 , ultegra bike. Few years Ago I upgraded wheels to DAc24 with 23 MM Turbo cotton tyres after few years I wanted something more aero , better wheels and bought one od the best wheels Roval rapide clx 40, I was thinking that I will be quicker on my Well knon route , my best average was 35 km h with dura ace wheels, When I bought Roval my average was only 32 km , I repeated samé route Yearr later and speed was 31, 8 . I Don t understatd it. I feel that DA wheels has better inertia than rovals with ceramic bearings , but only with 24 shallow ríms.It is weird. Thank your for review od tarmac sl8 pro. I want build the same bike like you with c 50 wheels, I will not pay twice for Roval or other Brand with ceramic bearings without effect on my average speed . I absolutely love DA hubs , quiet, and roll like butter. Thank you.
I have the Ultegra C50. Same shape as the DA. I think they’re horrible in cross wind.
Exactly how do you live somewhere where’s there’s no crosswind? Unless you only ride in a straight line and never turn almost everywhere has a crosswind
Iam searching for wheels but i think price is too high / too much issues (Even at 1k) . Its not worth for me at the moment. When you will start guitar series videos ? Is that a Jackson , blue - pink body?
Hi there. Yes the one you are referring to is my Jackson Soloist.
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you didn't mention Enve ?
Hi. At the time of this video, I didn't have Enves. But a new video coming out soon where I discuss Enve 4.5 vs Zipp 404 vs Dura Ace.
wondering how many bikes do you have?
Hi there. There's isn't a set number as bikes come and go for the purpose of creating content for UA-cam. Thanks for stopping by!
thanks for the response, I enjoy your review contents, How would you recommend Hunts wheelset? durable enough compared to other expensive wheelsets?@@DiabeticCycling
i came here for the wheels and then saw the frankenstrat! EVH!!!
also yes - mercury wheels and ENVE are in Ogden Utah - they are literally 3 min apart.
I'd have expected no less from a man bearing 5150 in his UA-cam ID! Thanks for your time stopping by!
Have you tried the Reserve wheels on the 2022 R5 disc?
Funny you mention. I''ve been trying to source a set of Reserve for a few weeks now.
@@DiabeticCycling lol if we were in the same area, I’d lend you mine. Just that mine is paired with the DT Swiss 370 hub which I do not like. I ordered a DT Swiss ERC dicut 1100 with 180 hub but it weighs 1422g. 35mm front and 45mm rear. My reserve weighs only 1300g and I’m wondering if I made the right decision. 😅
@@Snailchesster 1100 with 180 would be a deadly setup. 35/45 awesome for everyday especially coming in only at 1300! I myself am trying to get my hands on a set of 52/63 for my Ribble. Not easy to find at all as Jumbo Visma have all the wheels...
@@DiabeticCycling a comfort to know it’s a deadly setup. 😆 but it weighs 1422g, 122g more than Reserve’s 1300g R5 wheels. But then again, my Reserves are just 34mm and 37mm front and rear. All the best to looking for those deep Reserve wheels!
are the 36's as quiet?
yes, same hub, same spooky silience.
@@DiabeticCycling nice, like a quiet hub!
PCW Grit 4540
당뇨라이더..?? 혹시 한국분이신가요???
넹~^^
@@DiabeticCycling 와 반갑습니다 !! 국내 유튜브엔 블랙잉크 45 휠에 대한 정보가 많이 없어서 찾다가 보게 된건데 신기하네요ㅎㅎ제가 영어에 능숙하지못해서 그러는데 블랙잉크 휠셋에 대한 총평이 괜찮나요??
@@어짜피보면짖는개 일단 바퀴자체는 훌륭합니다. 굴러감이 스무스하고 승차감 좋고요. 45밀리라서 딱 좋은 높이에 무게도 이정도면 나쁘지 안습니다. 타사의 동급제품에 비해서 살짝 비싸다고 볼수도 있어서 가성비가 아주 훌륭하다고 보기에는 좀 .... 요즘유행에 비해서는 안쪽 두깨가 21밀리면 살짝 얇다고 볼수있으니 28밀리 타이어보다 넓은거는 비추입니다. 팩터사제품 좋아하는 빠돌/빠순 메니아층들은 이렇든 저렇든 무지하게 좋아합니다.
@@DiabeticCycling 현재 팩터에 케이덱스 장착해서 타는중인데 감성쪽에서 약간 부족한거같아 보라wto와 블랙잉크중에서 고민중입니다ㅎㅎㅎ덕분에 정보 잘받고 갑니다!! 구독할테니 앞으로도 좋은 자전거영상 부탁드립니다
You should really try Hyper Wheels.
I am aware of them obviously since every cycling UA-camr featured them. I was tempted a few times to get a pair but seeing enough issues with longevity and quality of bearings etc., haven't been able to commit. Not to say I will never ride them at some point though. We shall see.
I have a set Hyper 38mm 5k km so far and no issues. Recommending!
24 mm mon chasseral 😁😁
Had those on my Focus Izalco back in the day. Them wheels absolutely SUPERB.
Roval rapide cl are thé best
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