Love the intro. When Drew Cooper was on he mentioned a paderson shaft that was autoflex comparable but 1/3 of the price. How about a head to head to head to head with autoflex, brava, paderson and ventus tr red.
Really caught me by surprise that lowering the loft by a mere ONE degree, on the same clubhead, allowed the Autoflex to leapfrog the Brava, which was already longer than what Mikey usually hits it. Once the strike, launch and spin were dialed in, Mikey gained a good 23 yds of carry --- and a total distance gain of 28 yds on average, to reach 287 yds overall. That's some vast improvement right there.. Obviously, Mikey must be on the juice ; ) -- I kid of course. Looking forward to seeing Ian hit it.
I agree! Loft matched up and then smoked it :) I've found you can get the loft down with the AutoFlex in general as it does deliver more loft like the guys showed
Rocked an AutoFlex for a couple years, looked it, but my speed training has crept up club speed enough I pushed myself out of the "flex" zone on it, so waiting for the "xx" version to arrive, and passed along the "x" to my brother, who is just hitting super straight bombs with it
Would’ve enjoyed seeing the bravo used by its self, and then customised it’s set up to max its performance. As we have seen in pretty much every single test of sharks win compare to the auto flex the tester has a really hard time of swinging the club after using the auto flex because of how different the auto flex feels. Strikes were consistently low in the head for mike, was this because he couldn’t time the shaft because he used it after the auto flex? Or was it because the tee was a bit too low? I think a separate review will show comparable results. Just a thought
After watching yours and other club fitting sites on UA-cam I decided to order one in 50g R. My new Mizuno ST-Z came stock with Aldila Assent R 50 g. Sadly after testing it yesterday vs the stock shaft ( 15 of the better carry and total distance for each), NO difference 😱🤔😢😢. I’m 72, carry my Mizuno Liquid Metal 7 iron 145-150, and getting 223-230yds on me Garmin R10 indoors. I’m 238-248 on the course. Swing speed 85-87, launch average 15*, back spin 2000-2280. Best ball speed was 129. Smash factor consistently 145-147. Disappointing to say the least
Interesting video. Always appreciate when Ian is able to demonstrate the benefits of a good fit with data/metrics/etc. Also think his comment about not buying an expensive product like Autoflex (or any premium shaft) without a proper fit is extremely stop on - as Mike's results prove. Brava looks like an interesting product but I'm not one to respond to the types of claims being made in the marketing and just buy it off the website. Would be happy to try it out during my next driver fit though.
Fit is everything. I had the same experience with Autoflex - it was just OK & too high at 9 degrees but at 8 degrees it became an absolute rocket launcher. Been gaming it about 18 months and it's not going anywhere.
Peter Von Panda just did a video 2 wks ago comparing the Autoflex to the Brava. His results were the opposite, Brava was longer and tighter dispersion. His swing speed is in low 90's though.
No offense to Peter, but he even said he’s not consistent. I’d say that matters more with anyone trying any shaft. This comparison could mean something for those that don’t own an AF. Brava is cheaper. But…if you have an AF, no need to run to the store and buy the next longest shaft available in the market.
Nice test on this Head to Head ... You just have to see the smile on Mikey's face to see this is going in his Bag !!! Also, Nice to see a live fitting with 'The Fitters" that translates into something like this..... walking the walk and Leading by example... Thanks boys...
I’m glad to see that the AF is still performing equally as good. Since I’m an existing AF owner, I don’t have to buy another shaft. There are a lot of other benefits using an AF that most NEVER talk about. AF doesn’t work well if one cast early. AF forces you to lag better….which in turn improves your swing on the other clubs. We all see the increase in driving distance but what about the rest of the bag? I found a 5-10 yd improvement in all my clubs!
Man, really missed a marketing opprotunity…breakthru golf releases our longest, straightest, hardest hitting shaft. Introducing our BDE, (breakthru driver energy) golf shaft. Specifically designed for those struggling to get their ballflight up.
Can you compare the bend/EI profiles of the two shafts? It would be helpful to know where each is stiff or soft throughout the length of the shaft. I'm guessing since the BGT website is comparing the Brava to the Tensei that it's going to have more of a "blueboard" profile with a softer middle section and firmer handle and tip sections but can you confirm?
I like my Autoflex. I don't notice any real big distance gains I just hit it higher and straighter and turned my overdraw into a straight to slight fade.
My driver swing speed is the same as Mikey's and my carry with my current driver is 235-240 - Watching this gives me hope that I can find the driver/shaft combo that suits me.
Question: Has there ever been any data compiled on diminishing returns when it comes to club total weight and/or swing weight vs swing speed? Just seems to me that it's a matter of physics at some point where a heavier club swung slower, eg. more weight behind the ball equals more distance vs higher swing speed with lighter equipment has less mass to impart to the ball, thus less compression of the golf ball, (point of diminishing return). Just wondering...........🤔
Great content lately lads. Really have enjoyed the channel as of late. Ian, have you seen the work Mobile Clubmaker Golf has done trying to replicate the Autoflex magic with used budget shafts? He’s got a few videos out on this topic now I found very interesting…
I recently invested in a Ventus Red Velocore 6S, to replace a Hzrdus RDX red in a Stealth 10.5 driver, which I felt made the ball flight a bit “floaty”. The Ventus is definitely tighter in dispersion, with a more positive flight. I haven’t moved from the standard loft setting yet, but watching this is tempting me to have a play with the loft 😎
I tried the Bravo, with my 98-100mph swing. Didn't start well but it was after a 1 month break. In the end it went as far as my RDX red. Now trying the Ventus Red TR 60s and am seeing my best hits 30y past my regular spots on the course. 54 holes with it this weekend so we will see if it can be consistent as its heavier than everything else I normally try.
Got fitted with a Calloway 3 wood with autoflex. Picked up 10 yards compared to my very old Taylormade. The Calloway with Autoflex was $750. No thanks!
Was thrown off a bit when at the start you said he would be hitting a stiff flex at 54 grams, but just before he hit you corrected that to the 505 which is X flex 54 grams. Ironically, Autoflex talks about that as being for the Long Drive player with a swing speed of 110-120 mph. Since Mike had a swing speed of 102.2 it seems like, as with shoe sizes where some brands run large and others run small, most players should try a flex stiffer.
I just bought Autoflex 505X with a Ping 425 Max. Landing it mostly in short grass, but not much if any length increase from the Miz. ST200 I had before with Tensei Blue 60g. Maybe too heavy of a head Ian?
Most likely. The AF is very sensitive to head weight and the G425 Max head is around 206g. You probably need to remove like 10g of head weight and make sure the club length is not more than 45/45.5".
I'm sure the Brava could be optimized as well with the right head and shaft left + swing weight. Too simple a test to draw any real conclusions,, I think.
Does the BVT Brava have any recommended swingweight targets associated with it like the AutoFlex? curious to see if this kind of shaft "needs" to be built in a specific way to get the most out of it :)
Huge difference in price. The BGT Brava is $399 while the Autoflex is $790. When you add a head, a driver that costs about $1200 isn't an option for most average golfers.
More testing and experimentation needed. Why not include Mikey’s gamer in test, which I believe is same TSi2 w/Diamana TB, correct? How about trying the Diamana TB 50S @46”? How about cutting the BGT to 45”, or whatever Mikey’s gamer length is? While the gains with AF @8* loft were impressive a more comprehensive test simulating how a customer fitting would be handled I believe would be more enlightening
I’m 56 years old with 110 mph swing speed playing to a 7.1 hdc. I play Tour Edge C721 driver with the stock option shaft Tensei white stiff 65 gr weight. The company tests various shafts with each swing speed to select the correct fit. So far I’m quite happy with the combo.
I bought this bgt and didn't see a improvement in any area of my regular shaft. A total waste of money. Literally the factory shaft on my tsr3 does the same if not better. My swing speed is around 95. No increase in mph either
287 out of a 100mph swing, now thats some amazing fitting process.
Love the intro. When Drew Cooper was on he mentioned a paderson shaft that was autoflex comparable but 1/3 of the price. How about a head to head to head to head with autoflex, brava, paderson and ventus tr red.
Really caught me by surprise that lowering the loft by a mere ONE degree, on the same clubhead,
allowed the Autoflex to leapfrog the Brava, which was already longer than what Mikey usually hits it.
Once the strike, launch and spin were dialed in, Mikey gained a good 23 yds of carry --- and a total
distance gain of 28 yds on average, to reach 287 yds overall. That's some vast improvement right there..
Obviously, Mikey must be on the juice ; ) -- I kid of course. Looking forward to seeing Ian hit it.
Lol only juice is red wine 😂
I agree! Loft matched up and then smoked it :) I've found you can get the loft down with the AutoFlex in general as it does deliver more loft like the guys showed
Rocked an AutoFlex for a couple years, looked it, but my speed training has crept up club speed enough I pushed myself out of the "flex" zone on it, so waiting for the "xx" version to arrive, and passed along the "x" to my brother, who is just hitting super straight bombs with it
What kind of speed training did you do?
I am a senior golfer and using AF shaft ...low 80’s swing speed....I have seen more fairways hit and approx extra 10 yards.
For future content I'd like to see Lindsay come back. I think Lindsay was talking about wanting more distance from her irons. Keep up the great work!
Impressive gains by Mike, now Mr 290?, but the real star was the importance of being expertly fit to the right head/shaft/settings combination.
Would’ve enjoyed seeing the bravo used by its self, and then customised it’s set up to max its performance.
As we have seen in pretty much every single test of sharks win compare to the auto flex the tester has a really hard time of swinging the club after using the auto flex because of how different the auto flex feels.
Strikes were consistently low in the head for mike, was this because he couldn’t time the shaft because he used it after the auto flex? Or was it because the tee was a bit too low? I think a separate review will show comparable results. Just a thought
After watching yours and other club fitting sites on UA-cam I decided to order one in 50g R. My new Mizuno ST-Z came stock with Aldila Assent R 50 g. Sadly after testing it yesterday vs the stock shaft ( 15 of the better carry and total distance for each), NO difference 😱🤔😢😢. I’m 72, carry my Mizuno Liquid Metal 7 iron 145-150, and getting 223-230yds on me Garmin R10 indoors. I’m 238-248 on the course. Swing speed 85-87, launch average 15*, back spin 2000-2280. Best ball speed was 129. Smash factor consistently 145-147. Disappointing to say the least
Interesting video. Always appreciate when Ian is able to demonstrate the benefits of a good fit with data/metrics/etc. Also think his comment about not buying an expensive product like Autoflex (or any premium shaft) without a proper fit is extremely stop on - as Mike's results prove. Brava looks like an interesting product but I'm not one to respond to the types of claims being made in the marketing and just buy it off the website. Would be happy to try it out during my next driver fit though.
Fit is everything. I had the same experience with Autoflex - it was just OK & too high at 9 degrees but at 8 degrees it became an absolute rocket launcher. Been gaming it about 18 months and it's not going anywhere.
Peter Von Panda just did a video 2 wks ago comparing the Autoflex to the Brava. His results were the opposite, Brava was longer and tighter dispersion. His swing speed is in low 90's though.
No offense to Peter, but he even said he’s not consistent. I’d say that matters more with anyone trying any shaft. This comparison could mean something for those that don’t own an AF. Brava is cheaper. But…if you have an AF, no need to run to the store and buy the next longest shaft available in the market.
Definitely been waiting to see your thoughts on the Brava. Peaked my interest when I first saw it on the BGT site looking at putter shafts.
Nice test on this Head to Head ... You just have to see the smile on Mikey's face to see this is going in his Bag !!! Also, Nice to see a live fitting with 'The Fitters" that translates into something like this..... walking the walk and Leading by example... Thanks boys...
I’m glad to see that the AF is still performing equally as good. Since I’m an existing AF owner, I don’t have to buy another shaft. There are a lot of other benefits using an AF that most NEVER talk about. AF doesn’t work well if one cast early. AF forces you to lag better….which in turn improves your swing on the other clubs. We all see the increase in driving distance but what about the rest of the bag? I found a 5-10 yd improvement in all my clubs!
Brava is also $350 cheaper and no pink on the shaft. Just no more haggle from the bois is priceless.
I haven’t been this excited for a driver shaft video until now!
Man, really missed a marketing opprotunity…breakthru golf releases our longest, straightest, hardest hitting shaft. Introducing our BDE, (breakthru driver energy) golf shaft. Specifically designed for those struggling to get their ballflight up.
😂
Can you compare the bend/EI profiles of the two shafts? It would be helpful to know where each is stiff or soft throughout the length of the shaft. I'm guessing since the BGT website is comparing the Brava to the Tensei that it's going to have more of a "blueboard" profile with a softer middle section and firmer handle and tip sections but can you confirm?
I like my Autoflex. I don't notice any real big distance gains I just hit it higher and straighter and turned my overdraw into a straight to slight fade.
My driver swing speed is the same as Mikey's and my carry with my current driver is 235-240 - Watching this gives me hope that I can find the driver/shaft combo that suits me.
Great to have Mikey back!
Question: Has there ever been any data compiled on diminishing returns when it comes to club total weight and/or swing weight vs swing speed? Just seems to me that it's a matter of physics at some point where a heavier club swung slower, eg. more weight behind the ball equals more distance vs higher swing speed with lighter equipment has less mass to impart to the ball, thus less compression of the golf ball, (point of diminishing return). Just wondering...........🤔
I’m thinking the auto flex slightly softer which will deflect the face down giving lower launch lower spin
Great content lately lads. Really have enjoyed the channel as of late.
Ian, have you seen the work Mobile Clubmaker Golf has done trying to replicate the Autoflex magic with used budget shafts? He’s got a few videos out on this topic now I found very interesting…
Thanks Marc. I’ll definitely check those out.
He focused primarily on distance, and didn’t measure dispersion
I recently invested in a Ventus Red Velocore 6S, to replace a Hzrdus RDX red in a Stealth 10.5 driver, which I felt made the ball flight a bit “floaty”. The Ventus is definitely tighter in dispersion, with a more positive flight. I haven’t moved from the standard loft setting yet, but watching this is tempting me to have a play with the loft 😎
I tried the Bravo, with my 98-100mph swing. Didn't start well but it was after a 1 month break. In the end it went as far as my RDX red. Now trying the Ventus Red TR 60s and am seeing my best hits 30y past my regular spots on the course. 54 holes with it this weekend so we will see if it can be consistent as its heavier than everything else I normally try.
Mikey getting some real good numbers with the autoflex in that TSR head 👀
😉👏🏻
Will Defo be using autoflex tomorrow on the golf course 😆
what swing weight is the autoflex set to. I think their site recommended a very light swing weight.
BGT really making some moves in 22!
Got fitted with a Calloway 3 wood with autoflex. Picked up 10 yards compared to my very old Taylormade. The Calloway with Autoflex was $750. No thanks!
Is a lower degree driver typically needed with autoflex? When compared to someone who normally plays a stiff heavier shaft?
The mighty Autoflex drops the ( Mike y ), and struts off the stage, Heavy is the head that wears the Crown.
😆😆😆
😂
Was thrown off a bit when at the start you said he would be hitting a stiff flex at 54 grams, but just before he hit you corrected that to the 505 which is X flex 54 grams. Ironically, Autoflex talks about that as being for the Long Drive player with a swing speed of 110-120 mph. Since Mike had a swing speed of 102.2 it seems like, as with shoe sizes where some brands run large and others run small, most players should try a flex stiffer.
Mikey needs an autoflex sponsorship!!
Which auto flex shaft did Mike hit in this video? Thank you
Like the new intro , the old one was really getting old
I just bought Autoflex 505X with a Ping 425 Max. Landing it mostly in short grass, but not much if any length increase from the Miz. ST200 I had before with Tensei Blue 60g. Maybe too heavy of a head Ian?
Most likely. The AF is very sensitive to head weight and the G425 Max head is around 206g. You probably need to remove like 10g of head weight and make sure the club length is not more than 45/45.5".
would like to see Ian test as well...curious if the results would be different.
I did hit it against my gamer. That video will be out tomorrow.
Awesome! Can’t wait.
I might have missed it, but was the price of the Brava in there? I'm sticking with my Autoflex. I love it.
In USD it’s $399. Don’t know CAD pricing
I'm sure the Brava could be optimized as well with the right head and shaft left + swing weight. Too simple a test to draw any real conclusions,, I think.
Which auto flex is Mikey using? Is it the 505 or 505x?
isn't brava 1/2 the price...?
Does the BVT Brava have any recommended swingweight targets associated with it like the AutoFlex? curious to see if this kind of shaft "needs" to be built in a specific way to get the most out of it :)
I have one on the way and was also curious where sw needed to be or if it mattered?
Can you review the TPT Nitro?
Mikey into the mighty Pink Panther!
What about slower swing speeds for senior players 80 85 mph?
Is this x-stiff or stiff for the BGT?
Huge difference in price. The BGT Brava is $399 while the Autoflex is $790. When you add a head, a driver that costs about $1200 isn't an option for most average golfers.
Cant wait to see mac in the new shaft with xflex
What length was Mikey hitting?
46”
Anyone else just completely skip this awful new intro every time? I miss the simplicity of the old one so much. Such a good beat too.
I’m fine with the music, but it just being Ian and Macs name frustrates me. What about Mikey?! He should be considered just as valuable.
Most of my favorite UA-camrs have been doing that as well...Maybe I'm just impatient...Just get to it already in my opinion.
Intro is hideous to say it kindly!!
I’d like to skip ahead to when ppl aren’t still complaining about the new (now months old) intro every time they post a video. That would be great.
@@-TroyStory- 😂!! Ditto
Is there a price difference?
Michael, one of each
Sorry, BGT Brava driver shaft is now $440. But your fittings and others confirm the added length and ball speed.
Is head weight as critical with the Brava as it is with autoflex?
No, with the stiffer design it’s less essential to use such light head weight.
lol at the intro haters. Every. Damn. Video. Give it up already
I totally agree, I’m not sure why during a free 20 minute video the first 20 seconds is what gets people upset, I don’t get it.
Did Mike switch to Autoflex or the Brava shaft?
AutoFlex. 505X
Goofy Mike is back!!!!
More testing and experimentation needed. Why not include Mikey’s gamer in test, which I believe is same TSi2 w/Diamana TB, correct? How about trying the Diamana TB 50S @46”? How about cutting the BGT to 45”, or whatever Mikey’s gamer length is?
While the gains with AF @8* loft were impressive a more comprehensive test simulating how a customer fitting would be handled I believe would be more enlightening
Stealth + 9° TB 60S 45.25” set one lower but loads more to test!!!
I’m 56 years old with 110 mph swing speed playing to a 7.1 hdc. I play Tour Edge C721 driver with the stock option shaft Tensei white stiff 65 gr weight. The company tests various shafts with each swing speed to select the correct fit. So far I’m quite happy with the combo.
Good for you.....but how is this relevant to a discussion of Autoflex with Brava?
Would have been fun to see some of the longer hitters try it out
@mac
What percentage of Auto Flex users swing it over 110 MPH?
Very few, less than 5%
Nice try BGT, but the AufoFlex killed this one..
Agreed, i was really surprised how well AutoFlex done here.
This test is only a valid comparison for slower swing speed players (
Faster swing speed comparison coming tomorrow.
only 7% of club golfers are faster than 105.
@@krusher74 93% should buy speed sticks! 😀
@@earnestfarley ouch
@@earnestfarley very fair point, LOL!!
Boring, where’s Matt😢
why is Mikey doing this test nobody wants to watch him hit
Cheers Ben!
I absolutely do, he's much nearer my and most people's ability than the scratch or pro golfers. Keep it up Mike 👍
Hitting the bgt low on the face and it was still close. Bring the impact up to the same area and bgt wins
I bought this bgt and didn't see a improvement in any area of my regular shaft. A total waste of money. Literally the factory shaft on my tsr3 does the same if not better. My swing speed is around 95. No increase in mph either
krusher74
btg brava US$399.99 autoflex $790.