That bike is ridiculous; only 1 hour of riding, if you're careful, followed by 4 hours of recharging, is hopeless. They should make it more practical by giving it a genuine 180 miles of range and rapid charging. I agree with you about dropping many of those high priced, and mostly unnecessary parts, cutting some of the excessive weight, then spending the money saved on a bigger battery. The higher weight of that battery can be used to give lower centre of gravity and better handling. For example, an approximate cruise control could be achieved by having a simple friction option on the throttle grip, just as my old BSA B40 had back in the 1960's; a simple mod to make. It costs almost nothing to implement.
@@RWBHere Batteries don't scale very well ! Honestly a highvoltage and therefore faster charging system and a powerfull cooling system to keep the charging speed plateau for a long time, are the way better way to increase it's utility. You don't need MORE Range, what you need are shorter stops. I don't know how dense the network of highvoltage fast charging stations is, but at least in Europe it's pretty ok.
I have a Del Mar Launch Edition, and its an absolute rocket ship, flat tracker style with 200ft lbs of torque, itll put hair on your chest. My commute is only 15 miles, and I can get 2 days of back and forth absolutely hammering it, I still have my Street Bob for long trips, but this thing has won my heart, a real hooligan machine!
Adore the looks of the Del Mar, I just wish it had an internal combustion engine. Not an electric vehicle hater or anything, but I only view electric vehicles as appliances for commuting. As a motorcycle or any sort of pleasure vehicle they'll just never be able to stir me the same way. The march of progress carries on though and I respect what they've accomplished, even if its not for me. Id be a hypocrite for criticizing Harley for standing stagnant and focusing on trikes for nursing home baby boomers while also admonishing them for innovating with the Livewire brand. So good on them
@@JamesBiggar At the end of the day its all personal preference. I work in the auto industry at the corporate level, and have no shortage of experience with electric vehicles. I dont hate them, but they dont excite me. Some things can't be quantified, and each person just has to decide what "feeling" works for them.
I understand your enthusiasm for the bike and I can see people buying this bike and this bike is getting closer but the numbers re price and range still favour conventional bikes. You can still get a better ice bike for half the money (MT-07) which apart from the acceleration out performs this bike and would be more practical for most people. There are also some electric scooters that cost less and offer similar range if you want a commuter/city bike .This bike is a quality product and hope it sells well but I cannot see one in my garage any time soon .
It’s probably a fun bike because of the instant power but range and also charging time is what kills it for me. I ride my Ktm 690 to work a lot and I’m sure that it would be able to do that on a charge but I don’t think it would be as fun as the old 690 which also takes me off-road on the weekends and 150ish miles on 3 gallons of gas. Then in a few minutes I’m fueled up again. 15 grand is a lot of money for such limited usage. I’d use that money on the new BMW GS900 instead
Excellent video, great review. Love the end where you take a few days to really think about it instead of popping off whatever is in your head in the moment. This is a bike that would work perfect for someone like me. 40 mile round trip for work commute seems easily doable on this thing, while being fun as hell on my days off and not venturing too far from home. I have the F150, I have the long range touring bike... Why not get something that is fun around town and can save money/miles on my other toys? Thanks for this insight. An electric bike (gasp, even a Harley) might be next on the list!
I love my ICE bike but I do long for the days when battery tech evolves far enough to make electric motorbikes realistic and practical. Bigger ranges and better speeds without paying an absolute fortune would be so good for getting around but able to have fun as well
I was eagerly awaiting the S2 in Paris. Then I looked at one and sat on it in a dealership (unfortunately unavailable for testing in Europe yet) before taking out the Livewire One for a test ride. I instantly decided that the I was going to buy the One over the Del Mar. It was not only on looks and riding geometry but I think the One is a unique and timeless machine and rides like no other I've ever ridden, whereas the S2 is a platform for evolution. So far, I really don't regret my choice.
I have the original LW and a Zero DSR. Both are 500+ pounds and can ride them 80-100 miles on a cust sport mode. The LW DC Charging allows me all day riding. AC2 is not as good.
In October of 2022 I bought an ebike. I admit I was curious and just wanted something different. I had no idea it would become my daily commuter (minus the incredibly scorching times here in AZ it is unrideable) to and from work and literally everything except long trips and groceries. It hyped me up for electric vehicles in general, so I just browsed for EV's, but they were, of course, out of budget. Started to look at e-motorcycles and was shocked at how little they aren't focused on. They seem to be this niché thing even though it (seems) so much simpler to build than a car (but a lesser audience of course). I started looking at Zero, but they are way out of my price range. Then looked at the just released (as of this comment) Ryvid Anthem, but that is apparently lacking range now that it's in the hands of consumers and then found LiveWire. My problem is, I still don't have my motorcycle license. But man, I really want something like this S2. It seems so damn simple to use and drive AND for someone like me who lives a minimalist lifestyle and lives alone, it's freakin' perfect.
If I was in a position to add another bike, it would be great for 90% of my riding where I run errands and pick up lunch. But my Street Bob does those things and the 300+ mile days.
I used to ride my FXRS to the Del Mar fairgrounds for the awesome motorcycle show as well as the historic Del Mar Mile races back in the 1980s. It was so cool to see Chris Carr, Jay Springsteen and the rest show their stuff on the 1 mile dirt track. I may try one of these out just for nostalgia! That said, Evo Sporties were hobbled by 100 mile range when out riding with my buddies. What's the range on this? 70 miles? No way. Maybe if it was closer to $10K-$12K. Owning a motorcycle is all about RIDING IT and the current state of EV tech renders these bikes ultimately unfulfilling.
I am considering an electric motorcycle purchase. So far, the LIVEWIRE Delmar S2 has my attention- but I am very impressed with the technology and range of the Verge from Finland. Can you do a head to head comparison of these two? I am curious to know if the extra cost of the Verge TS Ultra is worth spending.
Thanks for this (p)review Spite! We met in April at the Motovation Accessories' MotoGP party and we're of similar stature, so seeing you one it gave me a sense of how it would fit me. I have a deposit on one, and honestly I'm leaning towards passing on it. Between what I have read and your firsthand experience, it does seem to have just too small a range to really get into one. Your comments about sacrificing all the top shelf components in exchange for range - cheaper parts won't make the battery larger, so even with a level 3 fast charger you're still planning short routes in between charging stations. Maybe a next-gen battery technology would bump that range up to 130-150 miles, and then it's a no-brainer. Until then I'm going to keep watching this video until my test ride and make the call then.
Interesting review. Seems like a great runabout, but even 15K is a bit high for essentially a 2-wheeled neighborhood electric vehicle, like the BMW CE-04 electric scooter at a similar price point. That is a significant spend for someone just looking to get around town without having to cold start a piston engine for short trips, and grabbing 10-30 minutes of fun here and there. $15K for a highway motorcycle is not a bad price, but doesn't seem like it has the range or charging cycle time for that, especially if having to divert to a charging station away from ones' route, and then spend hours charging. Might be interesting to see what a bike with lighter 17" wheels would do, in terms of a couple more miles of range, and a bit easier turn in with less wheel mass. That and a faster charging option may help enough, even before talking about adding 3 to 6 more kWh capacitance, and associated mass.
You know how much torque the MT-07 puts down to the tire, in 1st gear, a peak engine torque? IMMENSE. That's why these EV torque numbers are borderline marketing deception. They prey on customer ignorance, relevance, and tangibility.
So a typical 600 mile day on my current $3000 Sportster will take 10 days due to a 60 mile range? And they expect me to pay 15 grand for that? Heck when I was a young man I managed over 300 miles in a day peddling my bicycle. No thanks
One thing people forget , just like any battery ,it will degrade in performance with each use , so if it's short range now ,what will it be like in years to come ?
Brother man, what a rip snorting electric, fueled awesome video. I hear everything you’re saying, that is why I won’t be buying an electric motorcycle anytime soon…… my vision of a electric motorcycle is a adventure tourer with approximately 300 miles per charge, with the ability to quick charge it. Give me a windshield, luggage, and I’m off to the races. Anyways, be safe, keep rubber side up, and enjoy life to the fullest.
you should try to get a Surron Light Bee X (or the street legal LBX) they cost 4000$ new and put 10 to 15K in mods into it, and compare THAT to all the other electric bikes. cause once you proper upgrade a surron things most value per $ like do dual 19" or dual 21" wheel setup. stiffer suspension. new motor new controler new HUGE batery where you can get 300 miles in eco mode. and other lil bits and bobs upgrades, cause realy when you build it up, its hard to beat a surron in every aspect imo. and 30kw on such a light nimble comfy bike is more than enough power, and having 300miles in eco? yeah why buy any other bike. even the stark varg only does like what 60miles? and that thing costs 20k usd
Range, range , range, infrastructure and finally range. The biggest set back for EV's. No matter how big the fun factor, if it's only good for a short range and time period it's going to be hard to compete against the petrol version. Got my deposit on a Super 73 CX1. They're claiming a range of "city riding" 70 to100 mi range and a top speed of 85mph with a 20% to 80% charge capacity in less than 15 mins. still only about a 60 min run time. Im looking at this as just a toy for those late night early morning runs through the city while the world sleeps. Just not that confident in the EV technology being offered at this point to consider it reliable source of transportation.
I have a Tesla Model S Plaid, a 23 Model Y and two chargers at home. I ordered this and i’m pretty excited. I’ll still keep my honda rebel though but i have a question- is there a way to change the seat or have reduced reach handlebar?
Nice to see an electric bike that has some emphasis on the fact that it's electric and doesn't just strictly look like a normal motorcycle. One thing that bugs me with electric vehicles in general is making them look just like gas vehicles, like if I have to deal with the low range just give me something wildly different. The original Chevy Volt was very unique and then they released... A basic ass sedan... *sigh*
Someone over at Livewire was thinking " We got to beat Yamaha to the punch and make the equivalent of an electric MT-07." At least that was the vibe I got from the bike's appearance and purpose.
Electric bikes are a novelty. Until I can ride all day like I do I will never own one. My commute is 100 miles a day to work and back. My ride days are about 5 hours each day. No electric bike for me.
That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I work 12-hour days so I only work 3 days one week 4 days the next week alternating. I literally have just as many days off each month as I work each month it's a pretty sweet schedule. I own 40 acres with two lakes on it. It's fully wooded and full of dirt bike trails. My buddies are always coming out my way to do a lot of dirt biking, fishing, shooting, that kind of stuff. It's located out in the countryside with lots of windy Country Roads that see little to no traffic so it's the perfect street bike area. Not to mention no cops. So I end up averaging around 12,000 miles a year on my street bike.
@@bushidosteelcraft1677 what type of work.. you do? One day in my life or in my dreams I’ll move out the city and hav a peaceful life without having to worry about criminals.. glad u found peace 💯
@@bushidosteelcraft1677 I hav 3 electric bikes, no car no gas bike but been looking to practice on a 150 cc with clutching etc since I just got my license as a first time rider, but I enjoy e bikes/moped. 25 mph is my max work commute as an independent nurse contractor
@@obeii1805 I'd say e-bikes probably work out great for you then. I got a couple buddies that have Talaria they ride them through my dirt bike trails. They love them but they also bring gas bikes to because they can't get the batteries to last more than a couple hours. Those trails are pretty aggressive and they're really more dirt bike trails not electric mountain bike trails.
Nice, but non usable for me. No range (I need 200 km's at least for commuting), and highway speed here is around 130km/h not 60m/h so range will even be less.
If only the price was %30 lower a lot of people could make these two bikes work but $21,000 for the one makes it seriously nothing but a big expensive electric toy. I mean seriously, I spent less than twice that and got a brand new Tesla Model 3.
Until someone makes an electric motorcycle that can go 150 miles at hi way speed, it won't work for me, I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere, everything in town is less than one and a half miles, everything else is 60 - 150 miles away
It is so ugly, looks like a toaster. HD has forgotten how to design bikes. It started with the quasimodo known as Pan Am. And the e-mc i have tried have felt kind of cheap and weird. So i will stick to the old piston driven bikes ;)
@@misingo7909 Yes, investor slide deck from maybe a year ago (?). The S3 will be smaller than the Del Mar, and less expensive, I think it will bridge the gap between the S2 and the Serial 1. The cool thing about the S2 architecture is that it's modular, so they can add or remove cells quite effectively to make different platforms. Now that the S2 is out, you'll likely see variants of the tech more quickly than previous years. Batteries are also made in house now by Harley, so again the turnaround for newer models will be quicker.
@@AdventuresonZero That's nice i would really like a small EV bike to goof around and one you could Tour on to be available for the case of gas getting even more expensive and the eu plans on adding fines on combustion engines so if that gets too crazy i might switch
@@AdventuresonZeroI think that S4 will still be a fast motorcycle but honestly i would like it to be about as fast as the Honda 500's it would just be my dream come true
True story: I was one of the first 7 people in the world to ride one who werent HD employees, and didnt even know it until after the eide ended. Literally we hopped off, and the project manager and a few engineers came over to interview us and then told us we were the first. That thing was fun AF to ride, and it definitely changed my opinion on electric bikes.
I got to demo ride the S2 Del Mar this morning, rode it in sport mode, neck snapping torque and the bike felt really solid and well built, was smiling the whole time, great bike 🙂
To Livewire's credit, they openly claim they "prioritize performance over range". A clever attempt at addressing the range issue--just outright admit it's not great so customer's don't get their hopes up.
It sounds like the S2 Del Mar is the perfect candidate for that Euro battery swap system someone was talking about recently. Or perfect for someone who owns a van & can just drive it to the twisty road section. I'd love one myself, or something similar, but the price/range/infrastructure monster always rears its ugly head, especially here in Australia where around half of the "recharge stations" listed in various apps are actually campsite power points in caravan parks.
@@makisekurisu4674 I think the RM1 comes with either a single battery or with the option of purchasing a second while the more powerful RM1S comes with two batteries - presumably both are needed for the extra speed.
@@spitescorner Sorry, but that won't work. The batterie is a stressed member in this bike. It can't be changed without complete disassambly (basicly like the frame/engine in a modern internal combustion bike, which has an engine block as stressed member.) It's integral to the bikes structual integrety. The bike would be much heavier, if it would have had a housing for the a swapable batteriepack,, that can stand the load, which ist currentlich held by the non-swapable-batterie-pack and an safe-to use connectors and a strong enough carrying handle for convinient user-level batterie changes. (both pretty heavy) We'll have to wait for a "real" bike with a swappble batterie pack... In the scooter-world the big four of japan and some euro-manufactures have founded an allience for a unified swapble batterie pack-system. The formfactor and connectors are standardisized and there will be charging and swapping stations all of the citys. BUT thos batteries are WAY to small to house enough juice for a bigger, heavyer bike with more the 125cc-levels of power for extended periods of time or a usable range. Looking forward to see a real innovation in the battery industrie, that can make chargetimes way shorter and/or the energydensity way higher.
Range anxiety seems to be the number one concern. I ride every day and a solid 60 miles range would be fine for me so I'm going to see if I can get a test ride.
Livewire understates their range. I can squeeze out an extra 20-30 miles beyond published specs on my LiveWire One just by changing my riding behavior. I imagine I can get quite a bit out of this bike doing the same
I bought a new klr 650 for my commuter bike half the cost, and a hell of a lot more range. Although I'm happy to see Harley upping their game. I really considering a Pan America right now.
@@thegreattuna7187 8k Surron Ultra Bee (74 miles range 120km) weighs 188lbs (85kg). 10k Surron Storm Bee (62 miles range/ 100 kilometers) weighs 286lbs (130kg) > any 15k to 30k Harley EV Livewire bike as a commuter bike and city bike.
@@CaptainJacksIslandI want to say I saw something to that effect about lithium batteries. The only meaningful battery changes come from chemistry changes, so a different type of battery is needed to see a big change from what we have
It's an excellent toy that, once again, proves that when HD sets their mind to something great, some great things happen. They NEED to bring that competence into the home brand and not just subsidize it into other names.
Right tool for the right job. Electric transportation seems best suited for in-town/inner city traveling. I got a Nami Burn-e 2 Max, an e-scooter, for short travels in town and hitting trails while sightseeing, which it's perfect for. I won't be going to Sturgis on it lol, but I wouldn't go there on my smaller bike that limits me to 130 miles either.
That makes sense, and you're right the use case for electric is city riding. The problem I would have is that $15,000 is a lot of money for that singular use case.
I have a $15,000 21 Zero SR 14.4kw which has basically the same 0-60 and top speed of this bike, but only weighs 414lbs, gets 110 miles @55 instead of this one's 70 miles @55.... I've gotten 180 miles range on it doing non -highway commuting. The older zeros had way better range for the $. Would have liked to see Harley improve on that range like he says in the video.
Nope nope nope. I haven’t ridden one but they are going backwards for me. I like the direction the one is going. Same range but cheaper. I want them to continue that trend. Either give more range for the same price or cheaper with the same range. I also am not a fan of the styling. I like the styling of the one better personally.
Styling? It's an electric motor and a square battery, how much styling could there possibly be with the exception of some dumb plastic flare thing that has a bunch of grooves and bumps just to make it creative other than that it's just a big plastic cover, garbage
I think EV’s fill a niche market and will never go away now. Range is an issue for now. But many urbanites don’t need a long range vehicle. Rural people do. So ICE vehicles will live on until battery technology gets better and better and slowly over takes them. The same thing happened with ICE and Mules and Horses over 100 years ago.
dudes the del mar is soooo good. imagine my surprise the demo fleet showed up before by damn preorder has delivered… still waiting for mine. queue drooling homer simpson meme
@@thouseinthehouse. If you're using it as a city commuter. You don't need the range and extra weight and cost of the original live wire. When you try to be to many things you're gonna sacrifice some.strip it down to what's it's actually capable of ( at a much cheaper price) you will get more buyers .
I find these electric vehicles a gimmick. They are neat but the technology isn’t there yet. Battery powered cars motorcycles etc are so so expensive to maintain. Not at first. The controller is super expensive so are the batteries. After 28 years of working on battery operated vehicles I just couldn’t do it. This push for an electric vehicles doesn’t make sense to me. No range, the batteries the tech isn’t there. Maybe someday. The material needed to make these batteries and components are hard to find which also adds to the cost. Not trying to knock on it cause it is neat like I said but I don’t see the point of owning one. I also know that the more people buy electric vehicles the more money can be spent on R&D. I know they are working to reduce heat which creates more current more watts less range. You make great content Spite keep it up.
@@satur9satur9 15k isn't really cheap. And some of those indian bikes can do better range for half the price too. So I don't get it. Is it usa only or something?
I think L2 charge is only 2 hours. kWh 12 kWh pack. Still a long time but if you figure 20-80% that is more like 1.25 hrs. I own a LW1. This bike would have been a better match. But I don't think I would give up my LW1 for it. I appreciate you doing some good comparison between the trade offs between the two. I think with the Zero FXE, FX, S, and DS all at $12K right now it is hard to know if the S2 will justify the premium for many. Given no LW1 I would probably by the S2. As a second bike certainly the FX bikes are better contrasts. I wonder if I had been able to ride any of them where I would have landed. The Zero dealer was like we don't have that model and you have to prepay for us to order it. There was a demo and a bike on the floor at the Livewire dealer around the corner.
@@sebastiangeorge7714 LOL but everybody wants the option, electric certificate they're not green or sustainable and they're more of an anxiety trap then a way to blow off steam
For these to work they need more range. I love electric bikes. They are great to ride. But range is still poor and charging still slow. It doesn’t suit anyone that rides more than 50miles. Which is not many people. Then we have the price !
Electric performance motorcycles offer a unique and exhilarating riding experience. They are not a replacement for gas bikes at the moment, but they are a very welcome, although expensive sport worth trying. Kind of like high performance single seat aerobatic aircraft, the ride is the value, not the practicality of the machine. Ride an Energica or a Livewire, with purpose, not as a commuter, you will get it.
Put it into eco mode and you should be good . I came from the Sondors metacycle and I can tell you it’s much better range on the Del Mar than the Sondors . I’m happy with the Del Mar it’s so much fun and you can change your ride settings .
I could see it as the daily, s I'd probably not do more than 100km (60 miles or so) in a day, and keep my Boulevard for the weekends, currently doing about 300km a week, but US$15k is still a LOT of cash for a commuter, even with these specs. Website says L2 charging times are 2 hrs to charge 20-100%, though 1 hour to get to 80% so that's a LOT of waiting around at shitty public chargers. Electric bikes are awesome, batteries suck.
I have nothing against electric bikes and this one would have been great for my 20 mile each way daily commute before I retired. For long distance touring practicality , it would still have to be a petrol engine. Even a Sunday morning bimble out is easily 120 + mile round trip. Electric bikes need to get to 150 to 180 mile range to be really practical. I am sure it wont be too long before they attain that. Good review though Spite.
Not for me, not ever. For me a bike has to make some good noise and vibrate a bit. That and IMO, EV technology is too dependent on hard to get materials.
I so want one. I ride my Guzzi at least once a week to work. I just hate the extra mileage it puts on the bike. Mostly because of servicing comes quicker. I have 16k on a bike that will be 3 years next month. I live 30 miles from work (20 miles interstate / 10 back roads). So a bike that can make the 60 miles round trip, no gasing up, and since this would be transportation and not joy riding, I don't care that there are no gears to play with. I'm the perfect candidate for one. Hey LW loan me one for a couple of days, I mean seasons, ok years.
This bike is a competitor for Zero FXE and that sort of bike. 86 hp, 100 mph top speed, and 40 mile 70mph range plus level 2 charging is a much better package than the FXE. I’ve put 2000 miles on an FXE for my work and the Del Mar is a much better outfit for only a little more money. The FXE IS 46 HP, 85 mph top speed, 40 mile 70 mph range with level 1 on board charging (8-9 hours full charge time). By that standard this bike is an advance.
range and charge time are the only real reason I've never gotten an electric bike or car... this one looks cool, but that short range makes it a no go for me.
Spite just intentionally unintentionally solved the e bike use case dillema. There's actually potential for an ebike in the supermoto hypermotard segment
Wow, no range, heavy, heavy steering. I like how he got excited about a couple of bends in the road. Lol I couldn't live there. And I couldn't have the range anxiety anywhere.
Yeah this is a bummer at the moment. I've ridden my LiveWire One on a few group rides, and one of the riders asked what would happen if we (40-50 riders) were all on electrics and needed to top off - "oh we'd be screwed" I said. You'd have to either ride short routes or ride with other electric bike riders. Infrastructure can't support big group rides yet
This biggest thing holding back electric vehicles - especially in bikes because of their limited space: Specific Energy of Gasoline: ~12,000 Wh/kg Specific Energy of Li-ion batteries: ~90Wh/kg Gasoline is just in an entirely different universe as far as energy storage goes.
It looks a little slow to accelerate for something claimed to be so light and to have the most torque of any bike in history - much more torque at much lower revs than a Rocket 3R for instance.
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You kept mentioning flat tracker hows it compare to the svartpilen 701
That bike is ridiculous; only 1 hour of riding, if you're careful, followed by 4 hours of recharging, is hopeless. They should make it more practical by giving it a genuine 180 miles of range and rapid charging.
I agree with you about dropping many of those high priced, and mostly unnecessary parts, cutting some of the excessive weight, then spending the money saved on a bigger battery. The higher weight of that battery can be used to give lower centre of gravity and better handling.
For example, an approximate cruise control could be achieved by having a simple friction option on the throttle grip, just as my old BSA B40 had back in the 1960's; a simple mod to make. It costs almost nothing to implement.
what mic are you using? sounds amazing.
@@Eli_From_LA It's a sony stereo lav mic. The same kind I use when I'm talking to my big camera
@@RWBHere Batteries don't scale very well ! Honestly a highvoltage and therefore faster charging system and a powerfull cooling system to keep the charging speed plateau for a long time, are the way better way to increase it's utility. You don't need MORE Range, what you need are shorter stops. I don't know how dense the network of highvoltage fast charging stations is, but at least in Europe it's pretty ok.
This makes total sense for a commuter, where your commute is
Don’t forget the instant pull at the intersection
Not sure if you can get 60 miles out of it on the highway or even b-road speeds (55mph plus). If you can hook it up at work though....
But I want to ride 500 miles every day and tow my boat.
I have a Del Mar Launch Edition, and its an absolute rocket ship, flat tracker style with 200ft lbs of torque, itll put hair on your chest. My commute is only 15 miles, and I can get 2 days of back and forth absolutely hammering it, I still have my Street Bob for long trips, but this thing has won my heart, a real hooligan machine!
Nice, mine is the same and I can go two weeks and not have proprietary Harley junk.
@@infernalkiwi you say that like there's nothing proprietary on yours 💀
So you need 2 bikes when 1 would do
Yes please and thank you! Ouch 60 miles though.... Decent commuter, but I work from home now so... not even a good weekend day tripper.
Adore the looks of the Del Mar, I just wish it had an internal combustion engine. Not an electric vehicle hater or anything, but I only view electric vehicles as appliances for commuting. As a motorcycle or any sort of pleasure vehicle they'll just never be able to stir me the same way. The march of progress carries on though and I respect what they've accomplished, even if its not for me.
Id be a hypocrite for criticizing Harley for standing stagnant and focusing on trikes for nursing home baby boomers while also admonishing them for innovating with the Livewire brand. So good on them
@@JamesBiggar At the end of the day its all personal preference. I work in the auto industry at the corporate level, and have no shortage of experience with electric vehicles. I dont hate them, but they dont excite me. Some things can't be quantified, and each person just has to decide what "feeling" works for them.
EVs are stupid and massive wastes.
the more i see these, the more i like them. gonna have to do a test ride and see what it's like.
I understand your enthusiasm for the bike and I can see people buying this bike and this bike is getting closer but the numbers re price and range still favour conventional bikes. You can still get a better ice bike for half the money (MT-07) which apart from the acceleration out performs this bike and would be more practical for most people. There are also some electric scooters that cost less and offer similar range if you want a commuter/city bike .This bike is a quality product and hope it sells well but I cannot see one in my garage any time soon .
It’s probably a fun bike because of the instant power but range and also charging time is what kills it for me. I ride my Ktm 690 to work a lot and I’m sure that it would be able to do that on a charge but I don’t think it would be as fun as the old 690 which also takes me off-road on the weekends and 150ish miles on 3 gallons of gas. Then in a few minutes I’m fueled up again. 15 grand is a lot of money for such limited usage. I’d use that money on the new BMW GS900 instead
You'll just charge at home overnight.
Excellent video, great review. Love the end where you take a few days to really think about it instead of popping off whatever is in your head in the moment. This is a bike that would work perfect for someone like me. 40 mile round trip for work commute seems easily doable on this thing, while being fun as hell on my days off and not venturing too far from home. I have the F150, I have the long range touring bike... Why not get something that is fun around town and can save money/miles on my other toys? Thanks for this insight. An electric bike (gasp, even a Harley) might be next on the list!
Those Vance and Hines pipes are killing it!😂
I love my ICE bike but I do long for the days when battery tech evolves far enough to make electric motorbikes realistic and practical. Bigger ranges and better speeds without paying an absolute fortune would be so good for getting around but able to have fun as well
I was eagerly awaiting the S2 in Paris. Then I looked at one and sat on it in a dealership (unfortunately unavailable for testing in Europe yet) before taking out the Livewire One for a test ride. I instantly decided that the I was going to buy the One over the Del Mar. It was not only on looks and riding geometry but I think the One is a unique and timeless machine and rides like no other I've ever ridden, whereas the S2 is a platform for evolution. So far, I really don't regret my choice.
HD definitely should have called it silent Bob
When dem Livewire go down to about 3,500 bucks I'll get one. Better be soon, though, I'm 73 in August.
Where not there yet. But couple more years. And real world touring? I 'll be sold. Great vid ! Hello from Australia !!!!👍👍
I have the original LW and a Zero DSR. Both are 500+ pounds and can ride them 80-100 miles on a cust sport mode. The LW DC Charging allows me all day riding. AC2 is not as good.
In October of 2022 I bought an ebike. I admit I was curious and just wanted something different. I had no idea it would become my daily commuter (minus the incredibly scorching times here in AZ it is unrideable) to and from work and literally everything except long trips and groceries. It hyped me up for electric vehicles in general, so I just browsed for EV's, but they were, of course, out of budget.
Started to look at e-motorcycles and was shocked at how little they aren't focused on. They seem to be this niché thing even though it (seems) so much simpler to build than a car (but a lesser audience of course). I started looking at Zero, but they are way out of my price range. Then looked at the just released (as of this comment) Ryvid Anthem, but that is apparently lacking range now that it's in the hands of consumers and then found LiveWire.
My problem is, I still don't have my motorcycle license. But man, I really want something like this S2. It seems so damn simple to use and drive AND for someone like me who lives a minimalist lifestyle and lives alone, it's freakin' perfect.
Ooohh lala DEL MAR so creative⚡️⚡️ anything to counter real motors 👺🦑🫵🚀
If I was in a position to add another bike, it would be great for 90% of my riding where I run errands and pick up lunch. But my Street Bob does those things and the 300+ mile days.
I used to ride my FXRS to the Del Mar fairgrounds for the awesome motorcycle show as well as the historic Del Mar Mile races back in the 1980s. It was so cool to see Chris Carr, Jay Springsteen and the rest show their stuff on the 1 mile dirt track. I may try one of these out just for nostalgia! That said, Evo Sporties were hobbled by 100 mile range when out riding with my buddies. What's the range on this? 70 miles? No way. Maybe if it was closer to $10K-$12K. Owning a motorcycle is all about RIDING IT and the current state of EV tech renders these bikes ultimately unfulfilling.
wild that you're ~4 minutes from where I used to live.
I am considering an electric motorcycle purchase. So far, the LIVEWIRE Delmar S2 has my attention- but I am very impressed with the technology and range of the Verge from Finland. Can you do a head to head comparison of these two? I am curious to know if the extra cost of the Verge TS Ultra is worth spending.
Thanks for this (p)review Spite! We met in April at the Motovation Accessories' MotoGP party and we're of similar stature, so seeing you one it gave me a sense of how it would fit me. I have a deposit on one, and honestly I'm leaning towards passing on it. Between what I have read and your firsthand experience, it does seem to have just too small a range to really get into one. Your comments about sacrificing all the top shelf components in exchange for range - cheaper parts won't make the battery larger, so even with a level 3 fast charger you're still planning short routes in between charging stations. Maybe a next-gen battery technology would bump that range up to 130-150 miles, and then it's a no-brainer. Until then I'm going to keep watching this video until my test ride and make the call then.
It looks like an electric version of my Sportster S. Interesting bike. Thanks for the e review.
As we say in Alberta Canada I ❤ Oil and Gas
Exactly, screw breathable air…
Interesting review. Seems like a great runabout, but even 15K is a bit high for essentially a 2-wheeled neighborhood electric vehicle, like the BMW CE-04 electric scooter at a similar price point. That is a significant spend for someone just looking to get around town without having to cold start a piston engine for short trips, and grabbing 10-30 minutes of fun here and there.
$15K for a highway motorcycle is not a bad price, but doesn't seem like it has the range or charging cycle time for that, especially if having to divert to a charging station away from ones' route, and then spend hours charging. Might be interesting to see what a bike with lighter 17" wheels would do, in terms of a couple more miles of range, and a bit easier turn in with less wheel mass. That and a faster charging option may help enough, even before talking about adding 3 to 6 more kWh capacitance, and associated mass.
You know how much torque the MT-07 puts down to the tire, in 1st gear, a peak engine torque? IMMENSE. That's why these EV torque numbers are borderline marketing deception. They prey on customer ignorance, relevance, and tangibility.
So a typical 600 mile day on my current $3000 Sportster will take 10 days due to a 60 mile range? And they expect me to pay 15 grand for that?
Heck when I was a young man I managed over 300 miles in a day peddling my bicycle.
No thanks
Don’t flat trackers have stiff suspension anyway? I mean their tracks are pretty flat. . .
One thing people forget , just like any battery ,it will degrade in performance with each use , so if it's short range now ,what will it be like in years to come ?
Doesn’t everything to degrade through use?
Brother man, what a rip snorting electric, fueled awesome video. I hear everything you’re saying, that is why I won’t be buying an electric motorcycle anytime soon…… my vision of a electric motorcycle is a adventure tourer with approximately 300 miles per charge, with the ability to quick charge it. Give me a windshield, luggage, and I’m off to the races. Anyways, be safe, keep rubber side up, and enjoy life to the fullest.
that style would look better with a 700 cc ptwin
you should try to get a Surron Light Bee X (or the street legal LBX) they cost 4000$ new and put 10 to 15K in mods into it, and compare THAT to all the other electric bikes.
cause once you proper upgrade a surron things most value per $
like do dual 19" or dual 21" wheel setup.
stiffer suspension.
new motor new controler new HUGE batery where you can get 300 miles in eco mode.
and other lil bits and bobs upgrades, cause realy when you build it up, its hard to beat a surron in every aspect imo.
and 30kw on such a light nimble comfy bike is more than enough power, and having 300miles in eco? yeah why buy any other bike.
even the stark varg only does like what 60miles? and that thing costs 20k usd
Range, range , range, infrastructure and finally range. The biggest set back for EV's. No matter how big the fun factor, if it's only good for a short range and time period it's going to be hard to compete against the petrol version. Got my deposit on a Super 73 CX1. They're claiming a range of "city riding" 70 to100 mi range and a top speed of 85mph with a 20% to 80% charge capacity in less than 15 mins. still only about a 60 min run time. Im looking at this as just a toy for those late night early morning runs through the city while the world sleeps. Just not that confident in the EV technology being offered at this point to consider it reliable source of transportation.
Whoa. This is a good looking bike. Why can't Harley put dual front brakes on anything under 900 lbs?
The Black Forest was like launching a V Max
I have a Tesla Model S Plaid, a 23 Model
Y and two chargers at home. I ordered this and i’m pretty excited. I’ll still keep my honda rebel though but i have a question- is there a way to change the seat or have reduced reach handlebar?
Nice to see an electric bike that has some emphasis on the fact that it's electric and doesn't just strictly look like a normal motorcycle. One thing that bugs me with electric vehicles in general is making them look just like gas vehicles, like if I have to deal with the low range just give me something wildly different. The original Chevy Volt was very unique and then they released... A basic ass sedan... *sigh*
Someone over at Livewire was thinking " We got to beat Yamaha to the punch and make the equivalent of an electric MT-07." At least that was the vibe I got from the bike's appearance and purpose.
$15,000 is a deal, buy and tow a generator and make it a series hybrid with an unlimited range.
I'm sure I could kill that battery in 20 miles!!!
Nice Rhodes V.
Did I see properly that you put a Floyd on your "Thunderhorse"?
Electric bikes are a novelty. Until I can ride all day like I do I will never own one. My commute is 100 miles a day to work and back. My ride days are about 5 hours each day. No electric bike for me.
Damn 100 miles a day ? I think u need to be more worried about the hours of your live spent going back n forth to work !!😮
That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I work 12-hour days so I only work 3 days one week 4 days the next week alternating. I literally have just as many days off each month as I work each month it's a pretty sweet schedule. I own 40 acres with two lakes on it. It's fully wooded and full of dirt bike trails. My buddies are always coming out my way to do a lot of dirt biking, fishing, shooting, that kind of stuff. It's located out in the countryside with lots of windy Country Roads that see little to no traffic so it's the perfect street bike area. Not to mention no cops. So I end up averaging around 12,000 miles a year on my street bike.
@@bushidosteelcraft1677 what type of work.. you do? One day in my life or in my dreams I’ll move out the city and hav a peaceful life without having to worry about criminals.. glad u found peace 💯
@@bushidosteelcraft1677 I hav 3 electric bikes, no car no gas bike but been looking to practice on a 150 cc with clutching etc since I just got my license as a first time rider, but I enjoy e bikes/moped. 25 mph is my max work commute as an independent nurse contractor
@@obeii1805 I'd say e-bikes probably work out great for you then. I got a couple buddies that have Talaria they ride them through my dirt bike trails. They love them but they also bring gas bikes to because they can't get the batteries to last more than a couple hours. Those trails are pretty aggressive and they're really more dirt bike trails not electric mountain bike trails.
Give Shadetree his gloves back.
They're not his gloves...
They're his hands. I keep them in a fridge in the garage
Nice, but non usable for me. No range (I need 200 km's at least for commuting), and highway speed here is around 130km/h not 60m/h so range will even be less.
Whatever happen to that guy that Spite used to work with? ;-)
No idea, haven't watched his videos since Spite was made to leave.
Round 2
If only the price was %30 lower a lot of people could make these two bikes work but $21,000 for the one makes it seriously nothing but a big expensive electric toy. I mean seriously, I spent less than twice that and got a brand new Tesla Model 3.
Until someone makes an electric motorcycle that can go 150 miles at hi way speed, it won't work for me, I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere, everything in town is less than one and a half miles, everything else is 60 - 150 miles away
It is so ugly, looks like a toaster. HD has forgotten how to design bikes. It started with the quasimodo known as Pan Am. And the e-mc i have tried have felt kind of cheap and weird. So i will stick to the old piston driven bikes ;)
Just give me and underpowered electric motorcycle with a huge battery that's all im asking for they managed that with scooters
The S4 will likely be a cruiser with a massive battery and not as much power for long tours/rides
@@AdventuresonZerois that From livewire?
@@misingo7909 Yes, investor slide deck from maybe a year ago (?). The S3 will be smaller than the Del Mar, and less expensive, I think it will bridge the gap between the S2 and the Serial 1. The cool thing about the S2 architecture is that it's modular, so they can add or remove cells quite effectively to make different platforms. Now that the S2 is out, you'll likely see variants of the tech more quickly than previous years. Batteries are also made in house now by Harley, so again the turnaround for newer models will be quicker.
@@AdventuresonZero That's nice i would really like a small EV bike to goof around and one you could Tour on to be available for the case of gas getting even more expensive and the eu plans on adding fines on combustion engines so if that gets too crazy i might switch
@@AdventuresonZeroI think that S4 will still be a fast motorcycle but honestly i would like it to be about as fast as the Honda 500's it would just be my dream come true
56mph is not highway speed. that said, S2 is awesome.
True story: I was one of the first 7 people in the world to ride one who werent HD employees, and didnt even know it until after the eide ended. Literally we hopped off, and the project manager and a few engineers came over to interview us and then told us we were the first. That thing was fun AF to ride, and it definitely changed my opinion on electric bikes.
I got to demo ride the S2 Del Mar this morning, rode it in sport mode, neck snapping torque and the bike felt really solid and well built, was smiling the whole time, great bike 🙂
I like the way your "little squeeze in sport mode" was immediately after passing a cop car!
I did a head check lol. I knew he wasn't watching
I’ll give it a pass. Range anxiety is huge concern. 😵💫
To Livewire's credit, they openly claim they "prioritize performance over range". A clever attempt at addressing the range issue--just outright admit it's not great so customer's don't get their hopes up.
It sounds like the S2 Del Mar is the perfect candidate for that Euro battery swap system someone was talking about recently. Or perfect for someone who owns a van & can just drive it to the twisty road section.
I'd love one myself, or something similar, but the price/range/infrastructure monster always rears its ugly head, especially here in Australia where around half of the "recharge stations" listed in various apps are actually campsite power points in caravan parks.
A battery swap system would be killer for the S2
@@spitescornerDo you get the Maeving in the States? That has 'plug-and-play' removable battery packs.
Do you have to buy the batteries the first time or can you buy the bike without batteries?
@@makisekurisu4674 I think the RM1 comes with either a single battery or with the option of purchasing a second while the more powerful RM1S comes with two batteries - presumably both are needed for the extra speed.
@@spitescorner Sorry, but that won't work. The batterie is a stressed member in this bike.
It can't be changed without complete disassambly (basicly like the frame/engine in a modern internal combustion bike, which has an engine block as stressed member.) It's integral to the bikes structual integrety.
The bike would be much heavier, if it would have had a housing for the a swapable batteriepack,, that can stand the load, which ist currentlich held by the non-swapable-batterie-pack and an safe-to use connectors and a strong enough carrying handle for convinient user-level batterie changes. (both pretty heavy)
We'll have to wait for a "real" bike with a swappble batterie pack...
In the scooter-world the big four of japan and some euro-manufactures have founded an allience for a unified swapble batterie pack-system. The formfactor and connectors are standardisized and there will be charging and swapping stations all of the citys. BUT thos batteries are WAY to small to house enough juice for a bigger, heavyer bike with more the 125cc-levels of power for extended periods of time or a usable range.
Looking forward to see a real innovation in the battery industrie, that can make chargetimes way shorter and/or the energydensity way higher.
Range anxiety seems to be the number one concern. I ride every day and a solid 60 miles range would be fine for me so I'm going to see if I can get a test ride.
He didn't start at 100 and gave it some squeeze. Standard use should be around 90 miles
@@atmosgruppe6440 that'll do me, and probably most people if they are honest
Livewire understates their range. I can squeeze out an extra 20-30 miles beyond published specs on my LiveWire One just by changing my riding behavior. I imagine I can get quite a bit out of this bike doing the same
That's an appealing little commuter bike. Shout out to Livewire for helping make this video happen.
$15k commuter bike.
I bought a new klr 650 for my commuter bike half the cost, and a hell of a lot more range. Although I'm happy to see Harley upping their game. I really considering a Pan America right now.
thats one heck of an expensive commuter... you could buy 2 better ICE motorcycles for the same price as 1 of those. including a better commuter
@@thegreattuna7187 8k Surron Ultra Bee (74 miles range 120km) weighs 188lbs (85kg). 10k Surron Storm Bee (62 miles range/ 100 kilometers) weighs 286lbs (130kg) > any 15k to 30k Harley EV Livewire bike as a commuter bike and city bike.
By the time battery technology makes these functional vehicles, I'll be too old to ride.
If they ever do. Every technology has its limit, and I'm wondering if batteries are nearing that.
@@CaptainJacksIsland They'll have to move to swapping. Pushing that much energy in 5 minutes would be "exciting".
@@CaptainJacksIsland Not even close. They are just getting started on solid-state.
@@LouisGilibertoi heard that’s what they are working on in China, it will be interesting to see if that ends up being true
@@CaptainJacksIslandI want to say I saw something to that effect about lithium batteries. The only meaningful battery changes come from chemistry changes, so a different type of battery is needed to see a big change from what we have
It's an excellent toy that, once again, proves that when HD sets their mind to something great, some great things happen. They NEED to bring that competence into the home brand and not just subsidize it into other names.
Are you kidding?? They do! I don’t see how my road king special could be any better!!
@@seanmyhre1305 It would be better if it didn't look like a Road King. And if it cost 25% less.
Review my electric motorcycle when?
Right tool for the right job. Electric transportation seems best suited for in-town/inner city traveling. I got a Nami Burn-e 2 Max, an e-scooter, for short travels in town and hitting trails while sightseeing, which it's perfect for. I won't be going to Sturgis on it lol, but I wouldn't go there on my smaller bike that limits me to 130 miles either.
That makes sense, and you're right the use case for electric is city riding. The problem I would have is that $15,000 is a lot of money for that singular use case.
$15,500 for range anxiety... Absolutely HELL no
Right? I’d feel better with a peanut tank sporty knowing I can fill up instantly.
Lol
I have a $15,000 21 Zero SR 14.4kw which has basically the same 0-60 and top speed of this bike, but only weighs 414lbs, gets 110 miles @55 instead of this one's 70 miles @55.... I've gotten 180 miles range on it doing non -highway commuting. The older zeros had way better range for the $. Would have liked to see Harley improve on that range like he says in the video.
I’m going to a Livewire demo day this week at my local HD dealership! Excited to try out both of Livewire’s offerings!
Nope nope nope. I haven’t ridden one but they are going backwards for me. I like the direction the one is going. Same range but cheaper. I want them to continue that trend. Either give more range for the same price or cheaper with the same range. I also am not a fan of the styling. I like the styling of the one better personally.
They need to be a lot cheaper. Its not a premium bike but has a premium price.
Styling? It's an electric motor and a square battery, how much styling could there possibly be with the exception of some dumb plastic flare thing that has a bunch of grooves and bumps just to make it creative other than that it's just a big plastic cover, garbage
Range is the biggest issue with electric bikes , i like long long rides and they are just not suitable for that
I think EV’s fill a niche market and will never go away now. Range is an issue for now. But many urbanites don’t need a long range vehicle. Rural people do. So ICE vehicles will live on until battery technology gets better and better and slowly over takes them. The same thing happened with ICE and Mules and Horses over 100 years ago.
dudes the del mar is soooo good. imagine my surprise the demo fleet showed up before by damn preorder has delivered… still waiting for mine. queue drooling homer simpson meme
range seems to be the last thing any EV should be sacrificing...
have to agree
@@thouseinthehouse. If you're using it as a city commuter. You don't need the range and extra weight and cost of the original live wire. When you try to be to many things you're gonna sacrifice some.strip it down to what's it's actually capable of ( at a much cheaper price) you will get more buyers .
I find these electric vehicles a gimmick. They are neat but the technology isn’t there yet. Battery powered cars motorcycles etc are so so expensive to maintain. Not at first. The controller is super expensive so are the batteries. After 28 years of working on battery operated vehicles I just couldn’t do it. This push for an electric vehicles doesn’t make sense to me. No range, the batteries the tech isn’t there. Maybe someday. The material needed to make these batteries and components are hard to find which also adds to the cost. Not trying to knock on it cause it is neat like I said but I don’t see the point of owning one. I also know that the more people buy electric vehicles the more money can be spent on R&D. I know they are working to reduce heat which creates more current more watts less range.
You make great content Spite keep it up.
@@satur9satur9 15k isn't really cheap. And some of those indian bikes can do better range for half the price too. So I don't get it. Is it usa only or something?
@@satur9satur9 thats an expensive bike to be ONLY a city commuter... and even then...it's barely able to do that.
I am not anticipating this.
Didn't anticipate the first one either.
it's a killer ride!
I think it's pretty good for an E-bike. Kawasaki's hybrid bikes might be the better route.
I think L2 charge is only 2 hours. kWh 12 kWh pack. Still a long time but if you figure 20-80% that is more like 1.25 hrs. I own a LW1. This bike would have been a better match. But I don't think I would give up my LW1 for it. I appreciate you doing some good comparison between the trade offs between the two. I think with the Zero FXE, FX, S, and DS all at $12K right now it is hard to know if the S2 will justify the premium for many. Given no LW1 I would probably by the S2. As a second bike certainly the FX bikes are better contrasts. I wonder if I had been able to ride any of them where I would have landed. The Zero dealer was like we don't have that model and you have to prepay for us to order it. There was a demo and a bike on the floor at the Livewire dealer around the corner.
EV motorcycles just have too little range, this thing is especially terrible. The tech isn't there yet for me.
But not everyone likes to make long rides
And then combine that with no fast charging. No sale.
@@sebastiangeorge7714 LOL but everybody wants the option, electric certificate they're not green or sustainable and they're more of an anxiety trap then a way to blow off steam
For these to work they need more range. I love electric bikes. They are great to ride. But range is still poor and charging still slow. It doesn’t suit anyone that rides more than 50miles. Which is not many people. Then we have the price !
I need the sound of an engine as long as there’s fuel available. I’m buying gas engine motorcycles.
yep. this is why I don't think gas should ever go away - the rumble and roar is why some people ride them
Electric performance motorcycles offer a unique and exhilarating riding experience. They are not a replacement for gas bikes at the moment, but they are a very welcome, although expensive sport worth trying. Kind of like high performance single seat aerobatic aircraft, the ride is the value, not the practicality of the machine. Ride an Energica or a Livewire, with purpose, not as a commuter, you will get it.
Put it into eco mode and you should be good . I came from the Sondors metacycle and I can tell you it’s much better range on the Del Mar than the Sondors . I’m happy with the Del Mar it’s so much fun and you can change your ride settings .
I could see it as the daily, s I'd probably not do more than 100km (60 miles or so) in a day, and keep my Boulevard for the weekends, currently doing about 300km a week, but US$15k is still a LOT of cash for a commuter, even with these specs. Website says L2 charging times are 2 hrs to charge 20-100%, though 1 hour to get to 80% so that's a LOT of waiting around at shitty public chargers. Electric bikes are awesome, batteries suck.
I have nothing against electric bikes and this one would have been great for my 20 mile each way daily commute before I retired. For long distance touring practicality , it would still have to be a petrol engine. Even a Sunday morning bimble out is easily 120 + mile round trip. Electric bikes need to get to 150 to 180 mile range to be really practical. I am sure it wont be too long before they attain that. Good review though Spite.
Not for me, not ever.
For me a bike has to make some good noise and vibrate a bit.
That and IMO, EV technology is too dependent on hard to get materials.
@Spite, please consider your body weight vs the S2'S Range.
Soooooo its basically a bigger Surron?
Exactly what I was thinking
A bigger Surron is what you’re equating this bike too…you’re kidding right?
I so want one. I ride my Guzzi at least once a week to work. I just hate the extra mileage it puts on the bike. Mostly because of servicing comes quicker. I have 16k on a bike that will be 3 years next month. I live 30 miles from work (20 miles interstate / 10 back roads). So a bike that can make the 60 miles round trip, no gasing up, and since this would be transportation and not joy riding, I don't care that there are no gears to play with. I'm the perfect candidate for one. Hey LW loan me one for a couple of days, I mean seasons, ok years.
it's such a blast to ride!
Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem right without the roar of an engine
This bike is a competitor for Zero FXE and that sort of bike. 86 hp, 100 mph top speed, and 40 mile 70mph range plus level 2 charging is a much better package than the FXE. I’ve put 2000 miles on an FXE for my work and the Del Mar is a much better outfit for only a little more money. The FXE IS 46 HP, 85 mph top speed, 40 mile 70 mph range with level 1 on board charging (8-9 hours full charge time). By that standard this bike is an advance.
Very good point. I have limited experience with the Zero line beyond their top shelf bikes
@@spitescorner you should take AF1’s FXE demo bike for a spin. It’s a pretty fun ripper. Just local only.
@@spitescornerI wonder how electric bike riders are able to extract so much more range out of these bikes?
From what I can tell it's all about being very easy on the throttle and riding mostly in eco mode
@@spitescorner Have you tried biking like that. Is it really boring?
Would be fun to see a ICE dude ride like a communist...lol
range and charge time are the only real reason I've never gotten an electric bike or car... this one looks cool, but that short range makes it a no go for me.
Spite just intentionally unintentionally solved the e bike use case dillema. There's actually potential for an ebike in the supermoto hypermotard segment
Wow, no range, heavy, heavy steering. I like how he got excited about a couple of bends in the road. Lol I couldn't live there. And I couldn't have the range anxiety anywhere.
60 mile range is not ready for prime time
It should come with a bus pass
Get that baby on some spoke wheels asap, would instantly make it look like a sick flat tracker! Too bad it's the price of a V4 Streetfighter here
So who's gonna come out with an inline 4 with a high rpm motor paird with an electric motor for more torque with a small battery?
Kawasaki is working on hybrid bikes. I'm super excited to see what those are like
your gloves always make me laugh, they remind me of someones nans oven mitts
No thanks. Can't actually take it anywhere with my buds.
Yeah this is a bummer at the moment. I've ridden my LiveWire One on a few group rides, and one of the riders asked what would happen if we (40-50 riders) were all on electrics and needed to top off - "oh we'd be screwed" I said. You'd have to either ride short routes or ride with other electric bike riders. Infrastructure can't support big group rides yet
Oh cool it has the same range as my sportster with a peanut tank 😂
yeah but it's a large peanut
This biggest thing holding back electric vehicles - especially in bikes because of their limited space:
Specific Energy of Gasoline: ~12,000 Wh/kg
Specific Energy of Li-ion batteries: ~90Wh/kg
Gasoline is just in an entirely different universe as far as energy storage goes.
That 300 wh/kg though
@@JamesBiggar I wish my electric bill was 12.5c/kWh. In my town it is just shy of 3x that price.
It looks a little slow to accelerate for something claimed to be so light and to have the most torque of any bike in history - much more torque at much lower revs than a Rocket 3R for instance.
I wish they’d just release the Bronx
They aren't going to. Go test ride an Indian FTR and you will forget all about that.
'I feel so comfortable sitting on this guy'
Phrasing Spite lol
Great video though mate. Take care