Kobe had to EARN his place in the league. When he was drafted nobody had any respect for someone being drafted out of high school. And the coach damn sure wasn't going to let him start over establish veterans. Lebron was given everything right out of the gate and allowed to play however he wanted and every team he has been on has adjusted to his play style and what he wanted to do. And if we are talking about pressure, when has Lebron had more pressure than Kobe did after Shaq left? Lebron had almost no real pressure to win in Cleveland, and since then he has just been on super teams, how can you talk about pressure when you are always on a team with another top 10 player? When Shaq left Kobe was on a team of scrubs and still had everyone looking to him with the express expectation that he better win without Shaq or else. If Kobe didnt win a ring without Shaq his legacy would be that he rode the bus and nothing more. But somehow Lebron gets to escape that by pairing up with other great players for every one of his championships and somehow not be called a bus rider?
Ding ding ding. Agree 💯. I guess you have to be in a locker room to see how rookies are treated...so now imagine a confident high school Kobe with NBA all-star veterans on the same team 😮. Lakers (D1) and Cavs (D3) 😂
That's a great breakdown, And I totally agree,These goofy mf don't understand what pressure is smh, i can't wait until LeBron retires because he's a diva! a goofy! a cheater of the game! A guy with no integrity! no respect! Everything about him is smoke screens, anyone with any functional brain cells can see through the 🐂💩
Man both LeBron and Kobe fans are insufferable. Making a 10000 dissertation on why Kobe is the goat and LeBron isn't and vice versa. Y'all could be doing so much better with your time
@@celestialdemon1316 Kobe was the better buzzer beater, because of the free throws, or if you needed a 3-pointer. But Shaq was really the closer in that three-peat. Shaq is one of the best clutch players in history. Kobe was the closer of game 3 in the 2001 finals, because Shaq was fouled out, and sitting on the bench.
Yep. I remember it clearly as a Laker fan since 85. Kobe carried Shaq who got swept EVERY year before Kobe arrived . Also Shaq didn't have the fire to push a team for a three peat from preseason to Finals. Only Kobe and MJ have that drive.. Kobe would have had two three peats were it not for an Ariza injury against Boston.
People overlook how much the charges against Kobe in 2003 hurt his overall reputation and relationship with the media. Just in time for the media to pivot for LeBron as their self-proclaimed king.
I totally agree I think that's really the biggest thing that happen. Kobe should have always been in goat discussion after 2010 and definitely after his last game but lebron is whole they want because they prolly make more money wit lebron then they did Kobe cuz Kobe wasn't as friendly
When we talk about being a "Robin" he left out the part wear Kobe said he didn't want to be Robin & he wanted to prove he was Batman and made the Lakers decide between him & Shaq, then went out to prove he was Superman & win back to back titles. Lebron on the other hand decided he couldn't be Batman & would rather create the Superfriends lol
This was a perfect comparison. 100% accurate. Tom Tolbert after the 3peat in 02 said, “These guys aren’t Batman and Robin. What these guys are is Superman and Batman.”
They need to keep their LeBron fans for views...and they wonder why NBA viewership is declining when they only highlight LeBron and shit on all the other NBA greats
Any truth that is spoken that is not stroking Lebron James is deemed as hating to them and all fanboys. All the attack dogs on Bron's payroll are on the alert.
It’s crazy bruh… Lebron era fans only use their eyes to see stat sheets, they can’t even use their eyes to see who clearly is a better player on the court. Kobe was clearly a better player than LeBron. As a hooper, he had the mentality and he moved fluidly. LeClunks moves are not it 😂
@@zureai EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! These idiots forget that fans ACTUALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT STATS. If fans CARED ABOUT STATS Wilt would be the UNDISPUTED GOAT. Fans care about being ENTERTAINED, being thrilled, seeing things NOBODY else can do. Kobe did things NOBODY other than MJ could do CONSISTENTLY. Lebron figured out a LONG TIME AGO that if he could BUY THE MEDIA, he could CONTROL the narrative surrounding his legacy, the same way the Israeli Government figured out that they could control the narrative around the Israeli's government apartheid state in Gaza by BUYING US media and blackballing any media pundit or PROFESSOR or even university president who dares to criticize the Israeli's government policy. Lebron uses Klutch Sports to control the media. He has PAID clients on MAJOR platforms like Nick Wright, Colin Cowherd, Brian WIndhorst, Malika Andrews, Shannon Sharpe, etc, ALL KLUTCH SPORTS CLIENTS. REAL PLAYERS think Kobe is better. REAL GENERAL MANAGERS think Kobe is better. REAL COACHES think Kobe is better. The media has spent SO MUCH TIME stroking Lebron that anytime he LOSSES they spent the entire off-season BLAMING OTHERS for his FInals losses. It's absurd!
They have to. The NBA and Nike don’t want to lose on their investment. lol They should have never touted this guy as the “chosen one” from the jump. His legacy would have been much better and he probably wouldn’t be as pampered. So looking forward to this guy retiring after setting terrible examples for young players and watering down the game.
Agreed. Used to be a fan of him back in the Heat and Early Cleveland days but ever since that 2016 championship everyone has been overly obsessed with him and disrespecting other legends to build him up.
It's the media telling one side of the story. They'll tell you kobe had Shaq in a heartbeat, quick to point out kobe flaws but LeBron 6 nba finals losses, all time turnover leader, building superteams for all his chips. That never has been spoken on except skip bayless and thats why skip is hated
wake up... Walt Disney company out here brainwashing entire generations again... How much money you think they gave Stephen a Smith to get on tv and convince ya'll Lebron is the best player, and Kobe is not in the top 5 etc? Kobe's career post Shaq is STILL more impressive than Lebron's full career. Lebron out here losing to all the teams Kobe beat...(the Spurs, the magic, the celtics, and the one chance he got to beat a team that beat the Lakers after he made his super team. like Kobe consistently did the 2 year prior... he choked so hard that Dwade and Bosh couldn't even carry him. Guess who televised "the decision" during the NBA FINALS....Disney. this dude lost his chance to face Kobe twice and, Disney gotta try to get him some mojo back to diminish Kobe's legacy and impact on the game...
When Kobe was drafted, Del Harris was the coach. And Harris is known for not using rookies. The 97 lakers was stacked, unlike the 03 cavs. This is why lebrons stats was greater than Kobe’s. Kobe had to fight for minutes, lebron was given the key of the city the moment he entered the nba.
I love to trash LeBron because his fans are so insufferable. I thought Kobe fans back in 2010 were insufferable, but LeBron fans take it to a new level.
I’m not saying there aren’t some. Kobe fans out there like that, I’m a Kobe fan. He was my favorite player of all time but I have never considered him the goat. I can’t make the argument he’s better than Michael. But the way people were ranking Kobe five years ago, versus today has definitely changed, and the only thing that is happened to Make any change on how anyone was ranked. Was LeBron winning the bubble championship I’m not sure how LeBron winning. The bubble takes Kobe from number two on Shannon Sharp list to the point that he’s barely in the top 10. I don’t know how Nick Wright had Kobe in his top five and now he’s got him at number 10 when after LeBron left Miami after winning two championships, LeBron goes to Cleveland and at that time Nick Wright doesn’t even have LeBron in the top 10 but he has Kobe in the top five now Kobe is barely in his top 10 in LeBron‘s number one? Like I get it, we can’t make The argument Kobe is the greatest of all time but now, even after I can show you video clip after video clip of ESPN in the 2000s were countless people were calling him the best player in the world. We’re just going to pretend that never happened and just say LeBron has been the goat since 2003?
@@wangtang12TBF, yes, Moses was one of the first….but it happened SO far back - 21 years - and in the ABA, that no one dared challenge the rule…it was almost ancient history….otherwise, KG might’ve gone #1 instead of #5….Shawn Kemp was also a good intermediary step, as he never played in college either, but sat out a year…
@@twilitezn it doesn't matter when it happened. You have to look at who the first ones were to come out of high school and go to the nba and give them the credit for paving the way. That was not kobe, garnett, or McGrady.
@@wangtang12it does matter for the simple fact that after KG, Kobe, McGrady an influx of kids coming out of HS emerged to the point the league stepped in, which garnered the era of 1 and done. MJ wasn’t the first to moonwalk nor did he invent it, but he made it popular.
@@oz1141 Dwayne Wade was no Robin though, he was Miami's Batman. Bosh was Toronto's Batman, Love was Minnesota's Batman etc...Lebron turned Batmen into Robins, blamed them when they lost and took all the credit when they won like the insufferable narcissist that he is.
Only reason why he will not be fotgoten is because he is all time points leader. And he knew that. He knew that if he don't become all time points leader he will be forgoten. That is the reason he did all he can do to become all time points leader.
Who's LeBron. Oh I remember he's the only NBA player to ever beg for respect😂😂😂😂😂 media.tenor.com/nLVYrS5ZX9MAAAAM/i-want-my-damn-respect-lakers-championship.gif
The day Lebron is retired and out of the league will be a breath of fresh air and relief because the media will finally be forced to talk about something else other than his jockstrap
I love how Kobe is FINALLY getting the respect that he deserves after so much disrespect, the best part about it is it's happening at the same time this clown is being exposed 😊
They always fail to mention that Kobe was drafted to a system where the team still had to ask his mom for permission on certain things because he was 17.
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMA It means that you can't compare their rookie seasons because Kobe didn't have the freedom lebron had. You can't compare Kobe's rookie season to any of the greats. Now let's compare Jordan and Lebron's rookie seasons.
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMA Kobe's first years they had a coach that hated players that were drafted out of high school so he wasn't the first option like lebron was. Plus he had to play with Shaq who was the first option. Like I said, they were drafted into two different situations. It wasn't until Phil Jackson came when he was given the opportunity to be himself.
Despite people arguing LBJ is a better teammate, just look at the amount of trade all his team does and how the young players turn out; many had to leave to shine. MJ was viewed as a super tough teammate but at least those who stayed are all pushed to be all they can be & some even recognized that vocally. LBJ in this aspect surprising is not a great team influence most of the time. He wants the recognition but not the responsiblity or negativity (high ego & soft mentally).
And then guys like AD and Kyrie don't get the credit they deserve. Kyrie for his performance against the GS comeback or AD carrying the Lakers for the bubble ring. But who gets all the credit? Lebron
Weird how Kobe was only guy on team in 09 to average over 20 on team but ppl say that team was a superteam but 2011 Heat had 2 guys averaging over 20 but ppl will say theyre not a superteam
Niccaz just be straight lying to hype up Bron. Because after the Colorado case people threw Kobe to the wolves and wasn’t expecting him to do what he did from 08-10. Literally you can hear the disgruntlement within the announcers whenever he scored outside of the staples center
So because he had more pressure, it made him better 😂😂 that man sounds like a real fan who is about to have Lebron children. Grown men fighting for their man 😂😂😂
If y'all would've never tried to say he was better than MJ there wouldn't be any problems. But y'all made it a issue when y'all tried to shit on a Era and LeBron Hall of Fame teammates to try and push the Fraud over MJ. That's where y'all turned people off.
Ever Since Gillie Praised Lebron. The Lakers Loss 4 Games In A Row And Are Now Under 500. Thanks For Your Great Basketball Insight Gillie💯🤨 Update: 01/14/24 The Lakers Are 4-13 Since Winning That "Precious" In-Season Tournament Championship And They're 2 Games Below 500. We Are Really Witnessing True Greatness💯🤨
@dread8009 all the teams they beat were good. And the west they had to play through just to get there was monstrous. What are you talking about? Regardless you haven't named a 4 year span better than shaqs.
Lebron no defense or skill. The only play that runs away from guarding the best player on the floor. The only player than runs away from challenge . The flop King. @baconeggcheesepodcast9390
It’s crazy how people constantly say “Shaq carried Kobe”… man they didn’t start winning until after a year Kobe started getting minutes… And please explain how Kobe won 2 more as the main guy after they split, meanwhile Shaq only won one not even as the first option..
Kobe also was close to 3peating twice without a superstar player they never mentioned that though he's 2-1 without another superstar player overall record is 5-2 in the finals which is still a good record if you ask me, and I'm surprised that Gillie the kid in this video would say this about Kobe, especially him being from Philly, dis nigga tweakin smh
Hes had the greatest career in terms of teammates, rules sets, and league composition (small ball that fits his style) and he's done so little with it. Any other all time top ten player would have won more than he had. 2 of his chips are shortened seasons as well. It's pathetic he's being touted the way he is. Longevity because he stands around on defense at age 30. He gave up winning for stats. Kobe in 2012-13 showed why he is the better player than lebron. Sacrificed himself to get the team to the playoffs. Lebron faked a foot injury last season to avoid ridicule and his team without him brought them back into playoff contention. I can't put lebron in the top ten anymore. The longer his career goes the worse it gets for him.
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390good team? kobe won back to back without a top 75 player no one from that team avg more then 18pts but Gasol. Lebron had Wade Irving AD who avg at least 22pts a game.
There is zero pressure to win right away in a small market like Cleveland!! Also, yes Lebron had some pressure but that pressure was alleviated by Lebron playing close to home where he was loved and known and felt most comfortable around his people!! If lebron was drafted to the knicks or to the lakers, then he would have been in a big market in a strange city with immediate pressure to win!! So that pressure argument is bullshet!!
Also - and as a Lakers fan this GALLS me - Lebron has had tons more talent and resources available to him in LA, from JUMP, than Kobe EVER had around him from Fall 2004 - Summer 2013, yet done FAR less with it…(and don’t you dare bring up his age)…
Pressure didn’t mount on Lebron until he failed in multiple playoff series with Cleveland. Pressure was why he left to Miami. So instead using the pressure and overcoming, he took the easy way out. Kobe and MJ both took pressure on and succeeded in spite of it
Shaq has never won an away finals game without Kobe. Not for the Magic, not for the Heat. Period! Shaq’s MVP season was saved by bean in 2000 WCF. Shaq’s FMVP was saved by bean after he fouled out. 2-3-2 was the series. If Pacers won game 4 that’s a very different series. They easily beat the Lakers in game 5. Series would have gone back to LA 3-2 Pacers.
Thanks i agree Kobe save Shaq MVP season in the 2000 WCF shaq finish with 18pts 4 turnover dident score a point in the 4th until kobe give that lob Kobe finish with a team high 26pts 11reb 2blk 4stl
That’s what I’m saying…. Shaq has never won without a high calibre guard by his side. He has literally never made the finals 3 times in a row until he joined Kobe but yeah he carried Kobe huh… meanwhile Kobe got 2 more rings as the main guy and Shaq only got 1 more only cuz of Dwade
@@zureaiShaq understood this which is why he teamed up with Dwade, a budding star, with a Kobe’esque like game. Kobe won with Pau who wasn’t close to the equivalent of Shaq in the post but Dwade, during that championship run with Shaq, was arguably the 2nd best 2 guard behind Kobe that season. Without teaming up with another guard of Kobe’s skill set Shaq became a ring chasing journeyman.
Bingo shaq is 3-15 for a career in western conference finals and Finals combined without Kobe. I'm not going say Kobe carried shaq but he carried shaq to those final MVPs. Kobe was just the better all around player and clutch while shaq is dominant 0-3 feet inside the rim . Where Kobe outside of shaq can take Pau to 3 straight finals
Good job. Good to have people that will set the record straight when these clowns are on a gaslighting campaign. I appreciate you and what you do. Thank you.
It was a trick to elevate Bron. They new he had no basis to be compared to mj. By doing it though and mj fans refuting it, James got credibility he never earned
BRONSEXUALS are the problem. Kobe fans NEVER crapped on MJ to elevate Kobe. MJ fans NEVER said Kobe wasn't a top 5 talent. It's the LEBRON FANS that are saying this rubbish! Nick Wrong Colin Cowturd Brian Oreo Cookies WIndhorst Malika I HATE MEN Who Don't Look Like MY Boyfriend Andrews LeShannon Sharpe
@@careyrobinson7467 shaq’s peak is 2000 right? shaq averaged 29 13 & 4 in 2000 kobe was 21 and averaged 23 6 & 5 on 18 shots at 47% as the second option lebron at 21 averaged 30 7 & 7 on 22 shots at 48% as the first option, meaning the defense is mainly trying to stop him Lebron as the first option at the same age as Kobe is averaging more points and assists than prime Shaq while taking 4 more shots than Kobe but still being more efficient than Kobe. Lebron would’ve easily put up 25 5 & 10 next to shaq with his passing and slashing ability. It would’ve literally have been like with Shaq/Dwade or Lebron/AD but even better. at worst it is truly an 1A & 1B scenario. not just 1 & 2. who’s 1A is a real debate
@@Westlyn80 man Gillie the kid ain’t seen no damn college. Especially not in Arizona LMAO. My bad, maybe you thought I was referencing Arenas. When did he graduate from Arizona, I thought he stayed for 2 years? What holes if I may ask?
That four year run Kobe had from '06 - '09 was incredible. That was my entire high school career. My whole school was rooting for Kobe. No player had a more difficult and incredible run like that in NBA history. Every team was 50+ wins, and he had to play the in the playoffs with no teammates averaging more than 20pts. Kobe Managed to win twice against the Super team Celtics. 😮
I haven’t seen Space Jam 2, but that clip of LeBron saying, “I’m Robin?!?” was a great addition to this video. I’m so glad to see the media and LeBron’s camp’s attempts to disparage Kobe backfiring and letting the truth come out. People are getting sick of LeBron and respecting Kobe more when the numbers are given context.
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 the Fraud that he is. That's why he couldn't take the Lakers to the playoffs with Russ when AD was hurt. But everyone else got to the playoffs with Russ. 🤷🏿♂️
What does “Kobe > every day” mean? Does that mean he’s better than “every day”? Does that even make sense? That sounds like some sort of glazing 🤣🤣🫵🏾🫵🏾🤦🏾♂️
@@massdagod You’re overthinking on a simple statement. That was just my way of saying that Kobe is way better. Until you can prove me wrong, then it’s not glazing. So either prove me wrong our let our opinions be.
LeBRONZ needed KOBE to be the leader on the NBA olympics team... KOBE has won NOTHING but GOLD... Getting Bronze isn't even Robin, thats freaking BAT GIRL 😂
Del Harris had a bias about Kobe because of the beef he had with Jelly Bean Bryant, It’s but also yes you didn’t start nor did they really take you seriously in that era until the 2000s. Your spot on though
Plus if you take Shaq out of the equation, what is Kobe left with? That’s right absolutely nothing. A bunch of role players just like he had when it was him and Pau.
This dude saying Kobe averaged 6-7 points in his first season is full of it. He didn't get hardly any playing time. Not really fair to bring that up without also mentioning that. Edited to add this - Lebron played 39.5 minutes per game his first season compared to Kobes 15.5.
By Kobe’s 3rd year, Del Harris had no choice but to put Kobe in the starting lineup, albeit at Small Forward, because Kobe’s production could not be denied. Kobe was so good that Jerry West traded Van Exel and Eddie Jones to Charlotte.
Lost in first round and he also had Bynum who was better than decent in an NBA that lacked big Centers. And Odom wasn't garbage. The Lakers should've reached the playoffs with that lineup....
I'm happy u responded to this, fans from L.A., from that era, can tell u Kobe broke his wrist playing on Venice Beach his rookie season, Chick Hearns kept warning us of his greatness, "Don't worry, this kid is really good", and every time he played he would wow the crowd reminiscent of Jordan, so even tho he didn't play much he was still consistent and motivated despite Del Harris
just watch the Redeem team to see who is Batman and who is Robin. The scene when Kobe comes out of the elevator to train while LBJ and buddy buddy go up to bed after partying shows enough as within a day they all follow Kobe. Another one is that all star game where LBJ refuses the one on one against Kobe. LBJ has good skills but never been a real classic dominant player who others fear. He fears them. top 10 without doubt, the goat, not in this universe.
@@gannibalof21st Just remove hate from heart, I hate Lebron’s boasting and I know Jordan is the GOAT. However y’all bring points and stats to prove Jordan is better (which I agree with), but refuse to use those stats when it comes to Kobe. Dude bron is better, Uncut is just a hate channel for years.
@@wisdomenake242 this is you, hi guys I have no argument so I'll call y'all haters in a nice way but be a pretentious azzhole about it. Since I lack self awareness, I'm still a winner like lebron. . . That's you and other bronsexuals. And you thought I give two Fs about your feelings. 🤣 🤣 🤣.
Lebron is mad jealous of Kobe, that's why. He needs to pay media to downplay his legacy to prop himself passed him so they can get the vs Jordan conversation back into the spotlight.
Kobe’s stats should always be adjusted for era. He played in a much slower pace with less scoring than Lebron for the most part. His stats are, per era, more impressive than Lebrons
As a diehard, Kobe fan, I can’t make the argument. He’s the goat, he’s not better than Michael Jordan, but you’ll never convince me. LeBron was better than Kobe. I give LeBron credit in the longevity department because he deserves that. But I watch Kobe in the Western Conference the same time LeBron was in the Eastern conference and all those 50+ win teams. Kobe went through in two 2009 in 2010, it’s actually more 50+ win teams than Magic Johnson faced his entire career, and the only help he had was one other All-Star in Gasol back to back championships. Meanwhile, LeBron, in an eastern conference by comparison is about a quarter, as competitive as the west and LeBron can’t get past the White Howard, and he’s on a super team. I’m so sick of the Kobe disrespect because it’s just gotten out of hand. I’ll never be mad at anyone for not having him as the goat because even though he’s my favorite player even I can’t put him there but I remember the 2000s very well I was watching the NBA then more than any other time I was watching ESPN, or listening to ESPN radio every day throughout that decade , and I remember the way people talked about Kobe. Calling coward, Stephen, a Smith, Skip Bayless, all of these guys were calling Kobe the best player in the league. Even Shaquille O’Neal and LeBron James said back, then Kobe was the best player in the league. Like if you don’t have him ranked in your top three OK whatever but now the argument is Kobe was just some guy who was “nice” you may have heard of before? This bullshit has to stop and I’m glad to see former players and certain other people in NBA media that don’t have a platform near the size of anyone associated with clutch sports finally saying they’ve had enough because the man isn’t even here to defend himself anymore. This is some coward little girl shit coming from clutch sports/ESPN.
Although I agree that Kobe gets disrespected in this current TV narrative, him and Lebron are a much better arguement for who was the better player than Lebron and MJ. Trying to make a case for Lebron over MJ is just ridiculous.
TRUTH. The argument I give with Kobe and Lebron is what I perceive to be their “flaw” : Kobe : always went all out, laser focus, high output ceiling, never really paced himself; played EVERY minute like it was the last 3 minutes of Game 7 of the NBA Finals. Lebron : always paces himself, very broad focus, high output floor, plays every minute like it’s the first 3 minutes of a regular season game. It’s a generalization, but give them both equal, very good - not great - teammates, and Lebron will probably give you constant results, but I think that Kobe’s peaks would be higher…
Kobe with shitty teammates finished in the lottery. LeBron with Shitty teammates went to the Finals.... Kobe Bryant is so overrated by the current generation, it's ridiculous.
All the straight out of highschool guys had lots of pressure. The difference is one went to a big market team with more pressure in L.A. the other went to Cleveland.
LBJ not retiring is hurting his legacy at this point He is old and it is showing since the IST ended Stop disrespecting Kobe he is no longer here to defend himself let his legacy rest in piece
@@johnthree1611 Somewhat, yes. But LeBron's game outside of clutch looks better, than what Kobe's clutch warrants. And clutch goes two ways, and LeBron is the better defender.
We’re all humans and with that said. We get irritated with things over time and it’s hard to not find people very exhausted of Lebron James. It’s been beaten to death and it’s just time to lay it to rest
I'm not even the type of person to pocket watch or mind other people's business, but he's riding around in Rolls Royce Wraiths like he's an athlete, movie star, or dope rapper (Gillie's far from it), and being extra after his son died. You have to sacrifice someone close to you to make it to the top and we're already up on game. This ain't a mystery lol.
Great Program Uncut Hoops!.... Pressure-Smesher...LBJ came onto a bad team, in a down conference; Kobe played on a team that had proven all-star caliber guards like Eddie Johnson and Nick "at-Night" Van Excel along w-all the vets, he had to earn his minutes, had to learn/earn his way onto the court; to improve his skills on a championship contender, in a much more Defensive era, in a better Conference for all of 2000-2021 for the most part... in all his Championship runs w-Shaq your could give O'Neal the edge as better; However Goku and Vegeeta better than Basketball analogy,. Wins in 2002 and 2003 more Captain America v Iron Man--> who leads the Avengers..2008-2010 though he would go only 2 for 3 he did his best impression of MJ-scoring above 30 w-not one teammate scoring more than 19pts per game.... LBJ should be compared size, dribbling agility, other skills to Karl Malone/Grant Hill/Scottie Pippen...
This notion that Lebron was the best player in the late 2000’s , Lebron did not become the best player until 2012 not a year before I say it goes from 2000-05 it was Shaq and from 05-07 it was Tim Duncan and id say from 07-011 it was Kobe in terms of who was the uncontested best player in the league
Lebron was the best player in the league from 2012 - 2014 THAT'S IT. 2015 it was Curry. 2016 it was Curry. 2017 it was KD. 2018 it was KD. 2019 it was Kawhi. 2020 it was AD. Lebron has had MAYBE a 3 year stretch MAYBE where he was "the best." But really you could argue that if KD had Wade and Bosh instead of Westbrick and Harden, KDs the won winning in 2012 instead of LeSteroids. KD has STATISTICALLY outplayed Lebron since 2012 but NOBODY talks about it lol.
Some LeBron fans actually believe that if LeBron and Kobe switched places, LeBron would have stolen FMVPs from Shaq in that 2000-2003 threepeat. Pointless to debate because it's all hypotheticals, but not an opinion I would take.
Shaq would got that those 3 final mvps regardless what other say…. The fact individuals like that dont understand how triangle offense operates its the fact itself why shaq has all those final mvps in the first place. Totally ridiculous
@@jose.g2753 I agree with that also, but my point being in even lebron going there winning chip with shaq would not change that shaq wouldnt get that finals mvp. The fact kobe almost three peat it shows how great he was…
@@BlackBBQChicken1998 Prime Shaq is in my book the 2nd best player of all time behind Jordan You're right that nobodies winning finals mvp over Shaq Running the offense through Shaq was the best way to win especially during that time Kobes role was to make up for o'neals weaknesses and he did that perfectly Discrediting Kobe for playing his role and winning it's extremely dishonest
4:44 imagine Kobe winning championships without Shaq... And imagine LeBron always relying on other stars like Wade or Irving or AD as it's normal in the game of basketball.. Oh wait... That's reality!
If shaq was "batman" and kobe was "robin" then why is it during those championship runs, kobe was the teams closer? Bc it damn sure wasnt shaq.... shaq needed kobe jus as much as kobe needed shaq...
Why bring up LeBron's lowest point? And they didn't even win in 2011 under those circumstances. I don't think you understand the concept of making an argument.
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz You don't understand the concept of making an argument. Gillie argued LeBron was never Robin. That's false. So bringing up 2011 MIA is exactly on point. It being the lowest point or not doesn't really matter.
You shouldn't have ended the video right there. You could have pointed out how the 09 and 10 Cav's were supposed to be the teams to dethrone Kobe as the torch was passed, but LeBron's Cav's didn't keep up their end of the bargain despite playing in a much less competitive conference.
One thing I’ve noticed about Lebron stans is the constantly tear down other guys in order to prop up Lebron! It’s a very lame tactic! I believe all time Lebron is better than Kobe but Kobe was more clutch
Kobe had to EARN his place in the league. When he was drafted nobody had any respect for someone being drafted out of high school. And the coach damn sure wasn't going to let him start over establish veterans. Lebron was given everything right out of the gate and allowed to play however he wanted and every team he has been on has adjusted to his play style and what he wanted to do. And if we are talking about pressure, when has Lebron had more pressure than Kobe did after Shaq left? Lebron had almost no real pressure to win in Cleveland, and since then he has just been on super teams, how can you talk about pressure when you are always on a team with another top 10 player? When Shaq left Kobe was on a team of scrubs and still had everyone looking to him with the express expectation that he better win without Shaq or else. If Kobe didnt win a ring without Shaq his legacy would be that he rode the bus and nothing more. But somehow Lebron gets to escape that by pairing up with other great players for every one of his championships and somehow not be called a bus rider?
Man imagine being 21 yrs old and having to be shaqs duo. 😂 that’s a huge responsibility to put on a kid
Ding ding ding. Agree 💯. I guess you have to be in a locker room to see how rookies are treated...so now imagine a confident high school Kobe with NBA all-star veterans on the same team 😮. Lakers (D1) and Cavs (D3) 😂
That's a great breakdown, And I totally agree,These goofy mf don't understand what pressure is smh, i can't wait until LeBron retires because he's a diva! a goofy! a cheater of the game! A guy with no integrity! no respect! Everything about him is smoke screens, anyone with any functional brain cells can see through the 🐂💩
And you know how Shaq is
Man both LeBron and Kobe fans are insufferable. Making a 10000 dissertation on why Kobe is the goat and LeBron isn't and vice versa. Y'all could be doing so much better with your time
As a laker fan I remember Phil benching Shaq in the playoffs 4th quarters to avoid hack a Shaq, while Kobe would carry the load with Shaq on the bench
Yep. Shaq was arguably the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen, but he was an absolute trash closer because of his free throws.
@@celestialdemon1316 Kobe was the better buzzer beater, because of the free throws, or if you needed a 3-pointer. But Shaq was really the closer in that three-peat. Shaq is one of the best clutch players in history.
Kobe was the closer of game 3 in the 2001 finals, because Shaq was fouled out, and sitting on the bench.
@@penkima4923Lmao @ Shaq is one of the best clutch players in history... Boi stop it!! 😂
@@melvinhhcp3615 You wouldn't believe it, would you. Watching TNT. But you should watch a game of his. He was great.
Yep. I remember it clearly as a Laker fan since 85. Kobe carried Shaq who got swept EVERY year before Kobe arrived . Also Shaq didn't have the fire to push a team for a three peat from preseason to Finals. Only Kobe and MJ have that drive.. Kobe would have had two three peats were it not for an Ariza injury against Boston.
People overlook how much the charges against Kobe in 2003 hurt his overall reputation and relationship with the media. Just in time for the media to pivot for LeBron as their self-proclaimed king.
I totally agree I think that's really the biggest thing that happen. Kobe should have always been in goat discussion after 2010 and definitely after his last game but lebron is whole they want because they prolly make more money wit lebron then they did Kobe cuz Kobe wasn't as friendly
When we talk about being a "Robin" he left out the part wear Kobe said he didn't want to be Robin & he wanted to prove he was Batman and made the Lakers decide between him & Shaq, then went out to prove he was Superman & win back to back titles. Lebron on the other hand decided he couldn't be Batman & would rather create the Superfriends lol
This was a perfect comparison. 100% accurate.
Tom Tolbert after the 3peat in 02 said, “These guys aren’t Batman and Robin. What these guys are is Superman and Batman.”
Also, If Kobe was a Robin, he would be Nightwing. A Robin so good, that he has become and is meant to surpass Batman.
That is a perfect analogy
The media freaks out when you even dare to compare Lebron and Kobe.
They need to keep their LeBron fans for views...and they wonder why NBA viewership is declining when they only highlight LeBron and shit on all the other NBA greats
Any truth that is spoken that is not stroking Lebron James is deemed as hating to them and all fanboys. All the attack dogs on Bron's payroll are on the alert.
It’s crazy bruh… Lebron era fans only use their eyes to see stat sheets, they can’t even use their eyes to see who clearly is a better player on the court. Kobe was clearly a better player than LeBron. As a hooper, he had the mentality and he moved fluidly. LeClunks moves are not it 😂
@@zureai EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! These idiots forget that fans ACTUALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT STATS.
If fans CARED ABOUT STATS Wilt would be the UNDISPUTED GOAT.
Fans care about being ENTERTAINED, being thrilled, seeing things NOBODY else can do.
Kobe did things NOBODY other than MJ could do CONSISTENTLY.
Lebron figured out a LONG TIME AGO that if he could BUY THE MEDIA, he could CONTROL the narrative surrounding his legacy, the same way the Israeli Government figured out that they could control the narrative around the Israeli's government apartheid state in Gaza by BUYING US media and blackballing any media pundit or PROFESSOR or even university president who dares to criticize the Israeli's government policy.
Lebron uses Klutch Sports to control the media. He has PAID clients on MAJOR platforms like Nick Wright, Colin Cowherd, Brian WIndhorst, Malika Andrews, Shannon Sharpe, etc, ALL KLUTCH SPORTS CLIENTS.
REAL PLAYERS think Kobe is better. REAL GENERAL MANAGERS think Kobe is better. REAL COACHES think Kobe is better.
The media has spent SO MUCH TIME stroking Lebron that anytime he LOSSES they spent the entire off-season BLAMING OTHERS for his FInals losses. It's absurd!
On a serious note you know Lebron is better than Kobe you take away Shaq how many rings do Kobe got
A big problem is that so many people are just tired of LeBron James. The broadcast media has shoved him in everyone’s face relentlessly.
They have to. The NBA and Nike don’t want to lose on their investment. lol They should have never touted this guy as the “chosen one” from the jump. His legacy would have been much better and he probably wouldn’t be as pampered. So looking forward to this guy retiring after setting terrible examples for young players and watering down the game.
Agreed. Used to be a fan of him back in the Heat and Early Cleveland days but ever since that 2016 championship everyone has been overly obsessed with him and disrespecting other legends to build him up.
It's the media telling one side of the story. They'll tell you kobe had Shaq in a heartbeat, quick to point out kobe flaws but LeBron 6 nba finals losses, all time turnover leader, building superteams for all his chips. That never has been spoken on except skip bayless and thats why skip is hated
Which is weird because the league is finally on the incline for the first time in over two decades.
wake up... Walt Disney company out here brainwashing entire generations again... How much money you think they gave Stephen a Smith to get on tv and convince ya'll Lebron is the best player, and Kobe is not in the top 5 etc? Kobe's career post Shaq is STILL more impressive than Lebron's full career. Lebron out here losing to all the teams Kobe beat...(the Spurs, the magic, the celtics, and the one chance he got to beat a team that beat the Lakers after he made his super team. like Kobe consistently did the 2 year prior... he choked so hard that Dwade and Bosh couldn't even carry him. Guess who televised "the decision" during the NBA FINALS....Disney. this dude lost his chance to face Kobe twice and, Disney gotta try to get him some mojo back to diminish Kobe's legacy and impact on the game...
When Kobe was drafted, Del Harris was the coach. And Harris is known for not using rookies. The 97 lakers was stacked, unlike the 03 cavs. This is why lebrons stats was greater than Kobe’s. Kobe had to fight for minutes, lebron was given the key of the city the moment he entered the nba.
Lebrons stats were better cuz hes better
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMAhow is he better he can’t even win more 😂
@@treso414 hes quite literally a better player than kobe
And cuz he was just better than Kobe
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMA At what?
I love to trash LeBron because his fans are so insufferable. I thought Kobe fans back in 2010 were insufferable, but LeBron fans take it to a new level.
Lol that’s exactly what I said too. Lebron fans are annoying and dim. And add Lebrons drama queen antics… it’s not hard to talk trash about Lebron lol
Nah, 2010 Kobe was 5 of 7 already in NBA finals to MJ's 6 of 6. MVP is a non factor to Kobe he's never been a media rider Like MJ nor Le flop was.
Kobe fans aren't trying to trash a era to put a person with 6 finals losses over MJ. Good try though
@@yeelahowah7476no it’s not the same Kobe fans were emotional little bitches like Lebron fans are
I’m not saying there aren’t some. Kobe fans out there like that, I’m a Kobe fan. He was my favorite player of all time but I have never considered him the goat. I can’t make the argument he’s better than Michael. But the way people were ranking Kobe five years ago, versus today has definitely changed, and the only thing that is happened to Make any change on how anyone was ranked. Was LeBron winning the bubble championship I’m not sure how LeBron winning. The bubble takes Kobe from number two on Shannon Sharp list to the point that he’s barely in the top 10. I don’t know how Nick Wright had Kobe in his top five and now he’s got him at number 10 when after LeBron left Miami after winning two championships, LeBron goes to Cleveland and at that time Nick Wright doesn’t even have LeBron in the top 10 but he has Kobe in the top five now Kobe is barely in his top 10 in LeBron‘s number one?
Like I get it, we can’t make The argument Kobe is the greatest of all time but now, even after I can show you video clip after video clip of ESPN in the 2000s were countless people were calling him the best player in the world. We’re just going to pretend that never happened and just say LeBron has been the goat since 2003?
LeBron should give out special knee pads for his lovers they working overtime 😂😂😂
Sometimes he just stands next to them and that all they need is his presence..Just like a son waiting for his daddy😂
Lefraud lover's 😂
Should give his haters some lube for the all the mj meat riding
Right?…Orgasm every time his name is mentioned..🤣😂
Ayoooooo🤣
Kevin Garnett and Kobe paved the path for high school draftees like Lebron. The disrespect is unreal.
Facts on top of facts.
Go look up Moses malone and reggieharding. You're statement is inaccurate
@@wangtang12TBF, yes, Moses was one of the first….but it happened SO far back - 21 years - and in the ABA, that no one dared challenge the rule…it was almost ancient history….otherwise, KG might’ve gone #1 instead of #5….Shawn Kemp was also a good intermediary step, as he never played in college either, but sat out a year…
@@twilitezn it doesn't matter when it happened. You have to look at who the first ones were to come out of high school and go to the nba and give them the credit for paving the way.
That was not kobe, garnett, or McGrady.
@@wangtang12it does matter for the simple fact that after KG, Kobe, McGrady an influx of kids coming out of HS emerged to the point the league stepped in, which garnered the era of 1 and done. MJ wasn’t the first to moonwalk nor did he invent it, but he made it popular.
Last time I checked Batman works alone. LBJ was Batman who joined other Batman’s.
Guess you forgot about Robin.
@@oz1141 Dwayne Wade was no Robin though, he was Miami's Batman. Bosh was Toronto's Batman, Love was Minnesota's Batman etc...Lebron turned Batmen into Robins, blamed them when they lost and took all the credit when they won like the insufferable narcissist that he is.
@@DesroQc 💯
Kyrie is a Batman?
@@christianr1941kyrie has Batman level skill set but his mindset and leadership detracts him from being a full Batman.
When LeBron is gone from the NBA, then you will see how fast people forget him. Kobe with the Lakers is FOREVER!
Idk about that
This is delusion
Only reason why he will not be fotgoten is because he is all time points leader. And he knew that. He knew that if he don't become all time points leader he will be forgoten. That is the reason he did all he can do to become all time points leader.
@@aaa-dk6jr god damn y'all are braindead
Who's LeBron. Oh I remember he's the only NBA player to ever beg for respect😂😂😂😂😂
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The day Lebron is retired and out of the league will be a breath of fresh air and relief because the media will finally be forced to talk about something else other than his jockstrap
I love how Kobe is FINALLY getting the respect that he deserves after so much disrespect, the best part about it is it's happening at the same time this clown is being exposed 😊
Seriously 👏🏽
I agree Lebron dident make the playoffs the frist three years in the weak east
They always fail to mention that Kobe was drafted to a system where the team still had to ask his mom for permission on certain things because he was 17.
Literally means nothing
Facts
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMA It means that you can't compare their rookie seasons because Kobe didn't have the freedom lebron had. You can't compare Kobe's rookie season to any of the greats. Now let's compare Jordan and Lebron's rookie seasons.
@@Floyd-kt1py his 3rd year where he got 38 mins was still not as good as rookie lebron
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMA Kobe's first years they had a coach that hated players that were drafted out of high school so he wasn't the first option like lebron was. Plus he had to play with Shaq who was the first option. Like I said, they were drafted into two different situations. It wasn't until Phil Jackson came when he was given the opportunity to be himself.
Why does every player that join LeBron James gets worse? Bosh, love, wade. Those guys turned into nothing.
Despite people arguing LBJ is a better teammate, just look at the amount of trade all his team does and how the young players turn out; many had to leave to shine. MJ was viewed as a super tough teammate but at least those who stayed are all pushed to be all they can be & some even recognized that vocally. LBJ in this aspect surprising is not a great team influence most of the time. He wants the recognition but not the responsiblity or negativity (high ego & soft mentally).
And then guys like AD and Kyrie don't get the credit they deserve. Kyrie for his performance against the GS comeback or AD carrying the Lakers for the bubble ring.
But who gets all the credit? Lebron
Wade-Injured knees, Bosh-1st option on a bad team to third option, Love-First option on a horrible team and got injured
This is the biggest lie Lebron haters tell😭😭@@LilJMoore
@@trulynoel9278 Ah damn here comes the Lebron fanboys.
Weird how Kobe was only guy on team in 09 to average over 20 on team but ppl say that team was a superteam but 2011 Heat had 2 guys averaging over 20 but ppl will say theyre not a superteam
Niccaz just be straight lying to hype up Bron. Because after the Colorado case people threw Kobe to the wolves and wasn’t expecting him to do what he did from 08-10. Literally you can hear the disgruntlement within the announcers whenever he scored outside of the staples center
No one says the heat werent a superteam ☠️
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMAspeak for yourself, you can’t even say the 2010s heat were a super team without getting swarmed by fanboys.
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMAbro most Lebron fanboys literally say the weren't a superteam. Wade and Bosh weren't superstar and such
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMA a lot of Lefraudulent James fans do say that Bullshit
Gilly is very easily bought by money and he is friends with lebron
Basically! Good to see people notice
“Gilly”
So because he had more pressure, it made him better 😂😂 that man sounds like a real fan who is about to have Lebron children. Grown men fighting for their man 😂😂😂
pressure he applied himself by trying to beat MJ. he shouldn't have ever bothered
@@nathanbraun2067 I think LeBron should have built his legacy
If y'all would've never tried to say he was better than MJ there wouldn't be any problems. But y'all made it a issue when y'all tried to shit on a Era and LeBron Hall of Fame teammates to try and push the Fraud over MJ. That's where y'all turned people off.
Them fans never have actual facts when they talk about LeBron, just what they want to see.
@@shawnsockwell9181 most Lefraud fans have low basketball IQ
Ever Since Gillie Praised Lebron. The Lakers Loss 4 Games In A Row And Are Now Under 500.
Thanks For Your Great Basketball Insight Gillie💯🤨
Update: 01/14/24
The Lakers Are 4-13 Since Winning That "Precious" In-Season Tournament Championship And They're 2 Games Below 500. We Are Really Witnessing True Greatness💯🤨
who da fuck is Gillie? who the hell is this doofus wanna-be allen iverson?
Ghillie the same person who said he wrote Lil Wayne's rhymes... Y'all still taking him seriously 😂😂😂 ghillie been garbage since 2008 pay him no mind
He should change his name from Gillie to Sillie, coz this some funny ass shit😂, mamba been that guy.
I’d take the best 4 years of Shaq over the best 4 years of Lebron
U prolly got a bag on ur head when watching basketball
@@JonJonesBoyfriendMMAshaqs best 4 years give you a 3 peat. What does lebrons 4 best seasons give you that can compare?
@@mattscheib6801 name 1 good team they played in the finals
@dread8009 all the teams they beat were good. And the west they had to play through just to get there was monstrous. What are you talking about? Regardless you haven't named a 4 year span better than shaqs.
@@mattscheib6801 shaq had a 4 year span and bron has a 20 year span of consistency
Anyone who saw Kobe's game knew that he was clearly better than LeBron
kobe isnt even top 10 ☠️
Kobe stole his game from Jordan and Lebron is better than Jordan
ahh yes, the unbeatable "nah bro I WAS THERE" comment like i can't go watch every nba game of his life RIGHT NOW
Lebron no defense or skill. The only play that runs away from guarding the best player on the floor. The only player than runs away from challenge . The flop King. @baconeggcheesepodcast9390
@@vintagemonteBut did you?
Damn, you just made me put Kobe over LeBron in my top 5.
Lebron is clearly #2 unless u got the iq of a toenail
Stop da cap kobe ain't top 10 you letting kobesexuals get to you
If you didn’t already have him there you’re not a basketball fan. You’re a celebrity fan
@@lbjr777 that literally makes 0 sense kobe is one of the most popular players so he too would be a celebrity
Lebron is not even a top 10 player for me.
It’s crazy how people constantly say “Shaq carried Kobe”… man they didn’t start winning until after a year Kobe started getting minutes…
And please explain how Kobe won 2 more as the main guy after they split, meanwhile Shaq only won one not even as the first option..
Say it louder for the people in the back
Kobe also was close to 3peating twice without a superstar player they never mentioned that though he's 2-1 without another superstar player overall record is 5-2 in the finals which is still a good record if you ask me, and I'm surprised that Gillie the kid in this video would say this about Kobe, especially him being from Philly, dis nigga tweakin smh
Also explain if shaq was the reason why he couldn’t do it with penny
Maybe cuz Shaq was drafted before Kobe and was older when drafted. Also ran into Jordan and best defensive big man in the nba
@@Denthead9
That's a terrible excuse lol they literally beat MJ tho... One time but still....
Lebron is overrated (wow thanks for the feed back , keep it coming)
Shh you’ll get the bron fans to come out they don’t care about the truth how Kobe is better
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@@denzelkoefacts
Hes had the greatest career in terms of teammates, rules sets, and league composition (small ball that fits his style) and he's done so little with it. Any other all time top ten player would have won more than he had. 2 of his chips are shortened seasons as well. It's pathetic he's being touted the way he is. Longevity because he stands around on defense at age 30. He gave up winning for stats.
Kobe in 2012-13 showed why he is the better player than lebron. Sacrificed himself to get the team to the playoffs. Lebron faked a foot injury last season to avoid ridicule and his team without him brought them back into playoff contention. I can't put lebron in the top ten anymore. The longer his career goes the worse it gets for him.
@@Kr4v3rd wow this comment started so nice like you were a fan of lbj then you went full on truth
Gillie da clown strikes again smh, LeBronze has had more help in his whole career than Kobe has ever had period.
Facts, even when LeBron won the 2016 championship with 0 all star teammates
Yeah right Kobe always had a good team
@@easybrezzzy479 Sure Kyrie didn’t make the All-Star that year he’s still an all-star nonetheless clown
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390good team? kobe won back to back without a top 75 player no one from that team avg more then 18pts but Gasol. Lebron had Wade Irving AD who avg at least 22pts a game.
Bron was a terrible Robin in the 2011 Finals to Wade's Batman. Wasn't even a good Dick Grayson.
Yeah yeah they got two rings together
More like Alfred! lol
There is zero pressure to win right away in a small market like Cleveland!!
Also, yes Lebron had some pressure but that pressure was alleviated by Lebron playing close to home where he was loved and known and felt most comfortable around his people!!
If lebron was drafted to the knicks or to the lakers, then he would have been in a big market in a strange city with immediate pressure to win!!
So that pressure argument is bullshet!!
Also - and as a Lakers fan this GALLS me - Lebron has had tons more talent and resources available to him in LA, from JUMP, than Kobe EVER had around him from Fall 2004 - Summer 2013, yet done FAR less with it…(and don’t you dare bring up his age)…
yet ppl bring up his finals losses in cleveland 😂 gotta pick one
@@vintagemontethe choice is easy
Lebron needs to retire, the NBA will be a better place without him
Steroids keep that man going lol
"Kobe carried Shaq in the NBA Playoffs."
I've been saying that for years.
Pressure didn’t mount on Lebron until he failed in multiple playoff series with Cleveland. Pressure was why he left to Miami. So instead using the pressure and overcoming, he took the easy way out. Kobe and MJ both took pressure on and succeeded in spite of it
I agree Gills is a clown Lebron couldent beat Boston and Magic while Kobe did won back to back without a top 75 player with less help in a stack west
Shaq has never won an away finals game without Kobe. Not for the Magic, not for the Heat. Period!
Shaq’s MVP season was saved by bean in 2000 WCF. Shaq’s FMVP was saved by bean after he fouled out. 2-3-2 was the series. If Pacers won game 4 that’s a very different series. They easily beat the Lakers in game 5. Series would have gone back to LA 3-2 Pacers.
Thanks i agree Kobe save Shaq MVP season in the 2000 WCF shaq finish with 18pts 4 turnover dident score a point in the 4th until kobe give that lob Kobe finish with a team high 26pts 11reb 2blk 4stl
@@jjohnson4013 BINGO! If Kobe doesn’t save Shaq, he was about to head outta town.
That’s what I’m saying…. Shaq has never won without a high calibre guard by his side. He has literally never made the finals 3 times in a row until he joined Kobe but yeah he carried Kobe huh… meanwhile Kobe got 2 more rings as the main guy and Shaq only got 1 more only cuz of Dwade
@@zureaiShaq understood this which is why he teamed up with Dwade, a budding star, with a Kobe’esque like game.
Kobe won with Pau who wasn’t close to the equivalent of Shaq in the post but Dwade, during that championship run with Shaq, was arguably the 2nd best 2 guard behind Kobe that season.
Without teaming up with another guard of Kobe’s skill set Shaq became a ring chasing journeyman.
Bingo shaq is 3-15 for a career in western conference finals and Finals combined without Kobe. I'm not going say Kobe carried shaq but he carried shaq to those final MVPs. Kobe was just the better all around player and clutch while shaq is dominant 0-3 feet inside the rim . Where Kobe outside of shaq can take Pau to 3 straight finals
Good job. Good to have people that will set the record straight when these clowns are on a gaslighting campaign. I appreciate you and what you do. Thank you.
Gillie funny AF, I love how he acted like he actually believed the BS here was saying about Kobe. Boy stop. Bean > Your King
Both of them are from Philly too he a sucka for that with his washed up rap career.
Dude sacrificed he's own kid Fer that mediocre podcast SMH'
What I love is how the narrative switches when your comparing Kobe and Lebron or Mike and Lebron. Let’s be consistent, super fans
It was a trick to elevate Bron. They new he had no basis to be compared to mj. By doing it though and mj fans refuting it, James got credibility he never earned
They don't deserve to be called super fans.
BRONSEXUALS are the problem. Kobe fans NEVER crapped on MJ to elevate Kobe. MJ fans NEVER said Kobe wasn't a top 5 talent. It's the LEBRON FANS that are saying this rubbish!
Nick Wrong
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Malika I HATE MEN Who Don't Look Like MY Boyfriend Andrews
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They not Super Fans they are Sack Swingers. That's what it really is
Ayoooooooo🤣
"He was never that guy". Pretty much sums up Gillie's rap career. 😂😂😂
Lebron would have been robin to a prime Shaq's batman too.
And every other perimeter player at that age in the history of the league
Ayoooooooo🤣
If lebron played with prime shaq, he'd tell him to clear the lane and wait for a corner three lol. if shaq refused, he'd be traded.
bron might be the only perimeter player who couldn't win with a prime shaq. shaq clogs the paint so bron would have to go 0-6 from three every night
@@careyrobinson7467 shaq’s peak is 2000 right?
shaq averaged 29 13 & 4
in 2000 kobe was 21 and averaged 23 6 & 5 on 18 shots at 47% as the second option
lebron at 21 averaged 30 7 & 7 on 22 shots at 48% as the first option, meaning the defense is mainly trying to stop him
Lebron as the first option at the same age as Kobe is averaging more points and assists than prime Shaq while taking 4 more shots than Kobe but still being more efficient than Kobe.
Lebron would’ve easily put up 25 5 & 10 next to shaq with his passing and slashing ability. It would’ve literally have been like with Shaq/Dwade or Lebron/AD but even better.
at worst it is truly an 1A & 1B scenario.
not just 1 & 2. who’s 1A is a real debate
That dude must've had a 1.8 GPA DURING HIS HIGH SCHOOL CAREER.
His kobe rookie/shaq statements have plenty of incomplete holes in it.
I don’t even think Gil finished high school. I could be wrong.
@TeezyfolKKz not gil.. the guy talking crap. Gilbert graduated and attended Arizona University.
@@Westlyn80 man Gillie the kid ain’t seen no damn college. Especially not in Arizona LMAO.
My bad, maybe you thought I was referencing Arenas. When did he graduate from Arizona, I thought he stayed for 2 years?
What holes if I may ask?
@TeezyfolKKz aww. Gil, the kid. I'm thinking agent zero. I'm just now knowing this dude name, n I don't think he'd graduated from HS
Kobe #2 all time behind mike
No pal Kobe’s is in the Duncan tier of players 😂
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Kobe is not top 5
@@wangtang12 facts
That four year run Kobe had from '06 - '09 was incredible. That was my entire high school career. My whole school was rooting for Kobe. No player had a more difficult and incredible run like that in NBA history. Every team was 50+ wins, and he had to play the in the playoffs with no teammates averaging more than 20pts. Kobe Managed to win twice against the Super team Celtics. 😮
Not only that but he beat the team Lebron couldent Magic and Boston with less help
I haven’t seen Space Jam 2, but that clip of LeBron saying, “I’m Robin?!?” was a great addition to this video.
I’m so glad to see the media and LeBron’s camp’s attempts to disparage Kobe backfiring and letting the truth come out.
People are getting sick of LeBron and respecting Kobe more when the numbers are given context.
Let’s also remember Dwayne wade had to TELL him to be the man and back up for him to do it.
For Kobe to have the start he had and to still score that many points is amazing
if Kobe isn't HIM, then what does that make Lebron? lmao
Lebronda is HER
IT or SOMETHING...🤔🇹🇹
The goat
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 the Fraud that he is. That's why he couldn't take the Lakers to the playoffs with Russ when AD was hurt. But everyone else got to the playoffs with Russ. 🤷🏿♂️
They/them? lol
Gillie trying to get on the Klutch Sports team 😂😂
Kobe > every day
These dudes don’t know what they’re talking about
That guy need to stop drinking his own kool aid
Yeah and don't dare compare him to Michael.
What does “Kobe > every day” mean? Does that mean he’s better than “every day”? Does that even make sense?
That sounds like some sort of glazing 🤣🤣🫵🏾🫵🏾🤦🏾♂️
@@massdagod You’re overthinking on a simple statement.
That was just my way of saying that Kobe is way better.
Until you can prove me wrong, then it’s not glazing.
So either prove me wrong our let our opinions be.
@BoxingisgoatedBoxingisgo-sy7jy Give me a good argument as to why lebron is better.
Shaq got swept 6 times in his career. That's how dominant he was.
Shaq was very dominant can you stop him
i cant, but players in the nba sure knew a thing or two@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390
LeBron got swept three times as well. Gentleman’s sweep 3 more times.
that's why he's overrated@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI
Shaq was extremely dominant lmao. Another casual dumb take.
LeBRONZ needed KOBE to be the leader on the NBA olympics team... KOBE has won NOTHING but GOLD... Getting Bronze isn't even Robin, thats freaking BAT GIRL 😂
Del Harris had a bias about Kobe because of the beef he had with Jelly Bean Bryant, It’s but also yes you didn’t start nor did they really take you seriously in that era until the 2000s. Your spot on though
I didn't know that. Good facts👍
Luckily the beef gave Kobe more time with Tex Winter. That helped so much
Wow no wonder his coaching career is trash.
Gave room for Phil to come in
People also forget, when Shaq was in foul trouble who was out there, carrying the load, while Shaq was on the bench.
Plus if you take Shaq out of the equation, what is Kobe left with? That’s right absolutely nothing. A bunch of role players just like he had when it was him and Pau.
This dude saying Kobe averaged 6-7 points in his first season is full of it. He didn't get hardly any playing time. Not really fair to bring that up without also mentioning that. Edited to add this - Lebron played 39.5 minutes per game his first season compared to Kobes 15.5.
They believe context is only important for LeBron
@@Sf75178Lol Lebron fans don’t even know what context is. You see how many times they pull random stats without context of how the stat was achieved?
Cuz lebron was better
@trulynoel9278 no just no. Learn history
To cherry pick metrics that support your argument.
By Kobe’s 3rd year, Del Harris had no choice but to put Kobe in the starting lineup, albeit at Small Forward, because Kobe’s production could not be denied. Kobe was so good that Jerry West traded Van Exel and Eddie Jones to Charlotte.
Kobe made it into the west playoffs with a winning record with smush mihm Odom Kwame and walton as the 6th man. LeBron could never do that
Lost in first round and he also had Bynum who was better than decent in an NBA that lacked big Centers. And Odom wasn't garbage. The Lakers should've reached the playoffs with that lineup....
Kwame started! That Lakers team wins 10 games without Kobe!
I'm happy u responded to this, fans from L.A., from that era, can tell u Kobe broke his wrist playing on Venice Beach his rookie season, Chick Hearns kept warning us of his greatness, "Don't worry, this kid is really good", and every time he played he would wow the crowd reminiscent of Jordan, so even tho he didn't play much he was still consistent and motivated despite Del Harris
The Eddie Jones disrespect was crazy.
Yeah it was
You give everyone the real truth every time! Thank you for the effort you put into these videos. They're classic!
just watch the Redeem team to see who is Batman and who is Robin. The scene when Kobe comes out of the elevator to train while LBJ and buddy buddy go up to bed after partying shows enough as within a day they all follow Kobe.
Another one is that all star game where LBJ refuses the one on one against Kobe. LBJ has good skills but never been a real classic dominant player who others fear. He fears them. top 10 without doubt, the goat, not in this universe.
I agree Kobe took over that game va spain Lebron only score 4pts in the 4thq even coach K said Kobe save team usa
Lebron is the biggest reason why NBA ratings are at an all time low. His presence has made the NBA worse.
Leave hate and live long, his ratings are better than Kobe’s
@@wisdomenake242capping for an opportunity to glaze lebron.
@@gannibalof21st Just remove hate from heart, I hate Lebron’s boasting and I know Jordan is the GOAT. However y’all bring points and stats to prove Jordan is better (which I agree with), but refuse to use those stats when it comes to Kobe. Dude bron is better, Uncut is just a hate channel for years.
@@wisdomenake242 this is you, hi guys I have no argument so I'll call y'all haters in a nice way but be a pretentious azzhole about it. Since I lack self awareness, I'm still a winner like lebron. . . That's you and other bronsexuals. And you thought I give two Fs about your feelings. 🤣 🤣 🤣.
I kind it funny how they diss kobe once he gone.
That’s because LeBron pays people to disrespect all time greats, money talks.
Lebron is mad jealous of Kobe, that's why. He needs to pay media to downplay his legacy to prop himself passed him so they can get the vs Jordan conversation back into the spotlight.
In the past, there were a lot of people who graduated from high school and became NBA players.
Bonus points for getting Alfred’s middle initial in there!
Kobe’s shoulder lean spin is one of the most beautiful skills I’ve ever seen
Kobe’s stats should always be adjusted for era. He played in a much slower pace with less scoring than Lebron for the most
part. His stats are, per era, more impressive than Lebrons
Lebron played in the same Era as Kobe. Lebron was in his 3rd year when Kobe averaged 36 points a game.
When shaq shot yhat freethrow with the loud ass brick sound got me lol 😂😂😂
As a diehard, Kobe fan, I can’t make the argument. He’s the goat, he’s not better than Michael Jordan, but you’ll never convince me. LeBron was better than Kobe. I give LeBron credit in the longevity department because he deserves that.
But I watch Kobe in the Western Conference the same time LeBron was in the Eastern conference and all those 50+ win teams. Kobe went through in two 2009 in 2010, it’s actually more 50+ win teams than Magic Johnson faced his entire career, and the only help he had was one other All-Star in Gasol back to back championships.
Meanwhile, LeBron, in an eastern conference by comparison is about a quarter, as competitive as the west and LeBron can’t get past the White Howard, and he’s on a super team.
I’m so sick of the Kobe disrespect because it’s just gotten out of hand. I’ll never be mad at anyone for not having him as the goat because even though he’s my favorite player even I can’t put him there but I remember the 2000s very well I was watching the NBA then more than any other time I was watching ESPN, or listening to ESPN radio every day throughout that decade , and I remember the way people talked about Kobe. Calling coward, Stephen, a Smith, Skip Bayless, all of these guys were calling Kobe the best player in the league. Even Shaquille O’Neal and LeBron James said back, then Kobe was the best player in the league. Like if you don’t have him ranked in your top three OK whatever but now the argument is Kobe was just some guy who was “nice” you may have heard of before? This bullshit has to stop and I’m glad to see former players and certain other people in NBA media that don’t have a platform near the size of anyone associated with clutch sports finally saying they’ve had enough because the man isn’t even here to defend himself anymore. This is some coward little girl shit coming from clutch sports/ESPN.
I can't stop laughing 😂 the guy sounds like the dude wearing lebron's heat jersey in that south park anger management episode 😂 just look up wayne d
Del Harris fucked up Kobes first year
How
They don't want to talk about Kobe's contributions against the Spurs.
Kobe 4-1 vs the spurs Lebron 1-2
Although I agree that Kobe gets disrespected in this current TV narrative, him and Lebron are a much better arguement for who was the better player than Lebron and MJ. Trying to make a case for Lebron over MJ is just ridiculous.
TRUTH.
The argument I give with Kobe and Lebron is what I perceive to be their “flaw” :
Kobe : always went all out, laser focus, high output ceiling, never really paced himself; played EVERY minute like it was the last 3 minutes of Game 7 of the NBA Finals.
Lebron : always paces himself, very broad focus, high output floor, plays every minute like it’s the first 3 minutes of a regular season game.
It’s a generalization, but give them both equal, very good - not great - teammates, and Lebron will probably give you constant results, but I think that Kobe’s peaks would be higher…
Kobe with shitty teammates finished in the lottery. LeBron with Shitty teammates went to the Finals.... Kobe Bryant is so overrated by the current generation, it's ridiculous.
Another on point break down, kid🤘
All the straight out of highschool guys had lots of pressure. The difference is one went to a big market team with more pressure in L.A. the other went to Cleveland.
LBJ not retiring is hurting his legacy at this point
He is old and it is showing since the IST ended
Stop disrespecting Kobe he is no longer here to defend himself let his legacy rest in piece
Using the eye test, you can clearly tell that Kobe was much better than overrated Lebron.
How
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 , Did you watch Kobe play?
The eye test tells me the same story as the stats. Kobe's game looked better in the clutch. LeBron's outside of clutch.
@@penkima4923 , Clutch players are more important than out of the clutch players.
@@johnthree1611 Somewhat, yes. But LeBron's game outside of clutch looks better, than what Kobe's clutch warrants. And clutch goes two ways, and LeBron is the better defender.
We’re all humans and with that said. We get irritated with things over time and it’s hard to not find people very exhausted of Lebron James. It’s been beaten to death and it’s just time to lay it to rest
he's been too good for too long smh
Damn gillie got cooked
Ayooooooo🤣
LeBron will literally sacrifice losing a Finals match to pad his stats a bit more.
Gillie go repent for sacrificing your son goofy
Facts Dude Worried About The Wrong Things
@@americanfresh17 facts ever since got dat deal after his son died he just been talking crazy weird ass dude don’t know basketball Jordan da mf goat
I'm not even the type of person to pocket watch or mind other people's business, but he's riding around in Rolls Royce Wraiths like he's an athlete, movie star, or dope rapper (Gillie's far from it), and being extra after his son died. You have to sacrifice someone close to you to make it to the top and we're already up on game. This ain't a mystery lol.
LeBron was Robin to Kobe’s Batman with the Redeem Team… Case closed
Lmaooo that Batman clip 🤣🤣🤣
Unlike Jordan vs LeBron , we got to see Kobe vs LeBron on the court. Kobe was the better player, he was the alpha. Prime vs prime
Great Program Uncut Hoops!.... Pressure-Smesher...LBJ came onto a bad team, in a down conference; Kobe played on a team that had proven all-star caliber guards like Eddie Johnson and Nick "at-Night" Van Excel along w-all the vets, he had to earn his minutes, had to learn/earn his way onto the court; to improve his skills on a championship contender, in a much more Defensive era, in a better Conference for all of 2000-2021 for the most part... in all his Championship runs w-Shaq your could give O'Neal the edge as better;
However Goku and Vegeeta better than Basketball analogy,. Wins in 2002 and 2003 more Captain America v Iron Man--> who leads the Avengers..2008-2010 though he would go only 2 for 3 he did his best impression of MJ-scoring above 30 w-not one teammate scoring more than 19pts per game.... LBJ should be compared size, dribbling agility, other skills to Karl Malone/Grant Hill/Scottie Pippen...
Let’s get this straight:
Kobe was Batman.
Shaq was SUPERMAN.
Please get this straight.
freethrows was krytonite
The media can't stand Kobe cause he would hold them accountable.
What you mean
I just don't like that that gilly dude anyway
So if Shaq was kobes Robin.. Dwayne Wade was LeBrons Robin then. 🤷♂️
Ayooooooo🤣😂
This notion that Lebron was the best player in the late 2000’s , Lebron did not become the best player until 2012 not a year before I say it goes from 2000-05 it was Shaq and from 05-07 it was Tim Duncan and id say from 07-011 it was Kobe in terms of who was the uncontested best player in the league
Lebron was the best player in the league from 2012 - 2014 THAT'S IT.
2015 it was Curry. 2016 it was Curry. 2017 it was KD. 2018 it was KD. 2019 it was Kawhi. 2020 it was AD.
Lebron has had MAYBE a 3 year stretch MAYBE where he was "the best."
But really you could argue that if KD had Wade and Bosh instead of Westbrick and Harden, KDs the won winning in 2012 instead of LeSteroids.
KD has STATISTICALLY outplayed Lebron since 2012 but NOBODY talks about it lol.
Yet he won back to back MVPs in Kobe’s face
LBJ just isn't that guy anymore
How he just won a championship
Some LeBron fans actually believe that if LeBron and Kobe switched places, LeBron would have stolen FMVPs from Shaq in that 2000-2003 threepeat. Pointless to debate because it's all hypotheticals, but not an opinion I would take.
Shaq would got that those 3 final mvps regardless what other say…. The fact individuals like that dont understand how triangle offense operates its the fact itself why shaq has all those final mvps in the first place. Totally ridiculous
If LeBron switched places with Kobe L.A don't 3peat
His game doesn't fit Shaq's
@@jose.g2753 I agree with that also, but my point being in even lebron going there winning chip with shaq would not change that shaq wouldnt get that finals mvp. The fact kobe almost three peat it shows how great he was…
@@BlackBBQChicken1998 Prime Shaq is in my book the 2nd best player of all time behind Jordan
You're right that nobodies winning finals mvp over Shaq
Running the offense through Shaq was the best way to win especially during that time Kobes role was to make up for o'neals weaknesses and he did that perfectly
Discrediting Kobe for playing his role and winning it's extremely dishonest
One thing we know for sure, switch MJ & Lebron in 2016 and Cleveland would still not have an NBA championship.
I mean, he is right. Lebron is better than Kobe. Those first 3 championships where all Shaq.
Wade and Anthony Davis carried Bron. Ray Allen saved LeBron ass to. Kobe better than LeBron 💯. Kobe is the goat 🐐
4:44 imagine Kobe winning championships without Shaq... And imagine LeBron always relying on other stars like Wade or Irving or AD as it's normal in the game of basketball.. Oh wait... That's reality!
Who has more finals mvps Kobe or LeBron?
@@easybrezzzy479who loss more finals?
It was more like a Super-Man and Batman type of relationship; not Batman and Robin.
If shaq was "batman" and kobe was "robin" then why is it during those championship runs, kobe was the teams closer? Bc it damn sure wasnt shaq.... shaq needed kobe jus as much as kobe needed shaq...
shaq was superman. kobe was always batman. lebron was sakura haruno for the entire 2011 finals.
Sakura Haruno was more useful than Lebron in that finals was, He was fucking Rin.
Gillie conveniently disregards LeBron being Robin to Wade’s Batman in 2011.
Why bring up LeBron's lowest point? And they didn't even win in 2011 under those circumstances. I don't think you understand the concept of making an argument.
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz You don't understand the concept of making an argument. Gillie argued LeBron was never Robin. That's false. So bringing up 2011 MIA is exactly on point. It being the lowest point or not doesn't really matter.
You shouldn't have ended the video right there. You could have pointed out how the 09 and 10 Cav's were supposed to be the teams to dethrone Kobe as the torch was passed, but LeBron's Cav's didn't keep up their end of the bargain despite playing in a much less competitive conference.
i can't take guys seriously that need to curse to bring across their point.
Or have no arguments for their point. Or have to crack a joke to make the point a tad believable. Or talk over people who dispute the point.
smh gillie dont kno what hes talkin about. shaq is super man
Thank you for exposing the stupidity of others.
One thing I’ve noticed about Lebron stans is the constantly tear down other guys in order to prop up Lebron! It’s a very lame tactic! I believe all time Lebron is better than Kobe but Kobe was more clutch