Amazon SP - Tank Design & Development
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2022
- Today’s video is taking a closer look at the Amazon Tank Destroyer, a very mysterious machine with almost no recorded background and one that never got as far as a full trials report, in fact other than the base vehicle very little is known about this machine, yet it is often written up as a home guard vehicle, which is very unlikely.
The vehicles name is not even recorded and so it has been simply called the Amazon S.P or Amazon Self Propelled.
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As I get older my interest has broadened from the sexy armour into the workhorses of the armies. Trucks are amazing things and the struggle to come up with decent cross-country trucks, the technological leaps in the 1920s and 1930s and other facets don't really get much love.
I know what you mean. When I was a kid in the 1960's, we all wanted to build models of battleships and carriers, tanks and artillery pieces, fighters and bombers. Nobody wanted to build Liberty Ships, 2 1/2 Ton Trucks, and C-47's; even if your dad or uncles operated them. But those vehicles were a big part of the Allied Victory.
Interesting, as when I returned to construction kits after many years, I immediately started on 1.35 scale tanks. But now, I'm concentrating on 'non aggressive' kits such as tractors, delivery vans and military trucks as well. 😊
@@simongee8928 Yep, and also trucks have got so much funky detail in he drivetrain and recovery gear. It's also easier to see inside them :)
I also like how trucks perfectly fit into the theme of the scenery so to speak. I've got a GAZ-66 on the bench at the moment.
@@jameslawrie3807 Indeed. I've been tempted by the WW2 Scammed recovery truck, but it's the parts count that I find scarey - ! 😆
This was actually a pretty good idea given the current trend worldwide for wheeled Fire Support/Tank Destroyer vehicles! The down side was the lack of a rotating turret - as all the modern 'versions' have. In a way it's a take on the 'portee' style AT vehicle idea used in North Africa (usually with a 2 or 6 pounder). The backwards gun isn't such a daft idea - the ARCHER got away with it - but the wheeled format may have spoilt it's usefulness. In fact I think that this may have inspired the idea of the Valentine chassied Archer. Very interesting - thanks.
Modern suspension systems, etc, are alot better than ww2. And modern roads are alot more extensive than in ww2.
Wheeled tank destroyers were used extensively in the desert in ww2 (check out 2pdr, 6pdr and other portee mounts, but alos the deacon {an armoured, turreted truck with a 6pdr}). But were quickly found to have very limited use in Europe.
European style trucks decrease overall length and therefore the turning circle. They also give better vision.
They sacrifice ease of motor access and nowadays driver comfort and aerodynamics.
So they are pretty good for european cities and short distances. The decrease in length also helps with ferry costs.
Another fun little video on a quirky "what if " vehicle. All good stuff! 👍🏻 👍🏻👍🏻
The moment I saw that rear facing gun, I knew the Archer was lurking nearby, she would be proud.
Also, due to the shortage of suitable gun carriages, the 17pdr. was fitted to the 25pdr. gun howitzer carriage for a time. It says much for the robust design of this carriage that it could cope with the much more powerful recoils of the more powerful gun.
Amazing work on an obscure vehicle, thanks for your hard work. I appreciate the opportunity to see these relics, stay safe.
Had never even heard of this thing before today.
The rear mounted gun would be perfect for shoot and scoot tactics
Proper name, carrier,wheeled,6x4 ,self propelled 17 pounder (thornycroft amazon)......the name in brackets distinguished it from the similar aec deacon fitted with gun in similar position.
i love a mystery! keep the zanies coming, please! 😊
Thank you.
I'm glad you spoke of the danger from small arms fire "splashing around inside after entering through the gap between the sheild and the hull armour " as that was my firat thoight on seeing the photos.
Surprised Thornycroft didnt go with some kind of armoured turret and armoured drivers position "if" the vehicle were to be armoured at all.
Interestingly shaped vehicle! I would also assume that the gun shield is around 50mm, just judging by the gun diameter. I also think adding a hatch or cupola to the rear compartment would have been a lot more useful for spotting.
I absolutely love weird, whacky and obscure vehicles of all kinds.
Btw AA, any chance you could do a video on the T55 E1 GMC ? Or do you only do videos with a British connection for logistics/research reasons??
Thanks for digging into this: interesting review
Just looking at it you can imagine corporal Jones driving it, with Fraser, Captain Mannering et all in the back 😂
Thanks for another interesting video.
I really like how you present the photos. It is a very nice and engaging style. I hope to one day be able to Reich a similar Level of proficiancy with the Illustrations for my own Videos.
Sorry to tell you this, but this looks a lot like a wood mockup to me (painted wood). It would also explain the thickness of the material which seems to be rather thick at some spots for metal, metal being rather heavy it's highly unlikely that this vehicle would have been fast if indeed that were all metal armor plates. I don't think it ever got much further then that based on these images. It would fit in as well, during that time period a lot of companies would make a wooden model first before using metal to make sure they didn't waste materials. This could be a similar case like that.
Very interesting love the unusual stuff you find, at 5,03 and 6,12 that looks like a plywood mock up body, at 6,27 looks like chipboard roof bolted through angle iron to ply sides, a mock up it seems, interesting, as you say perhaps a Thornycroft project.
Thanks for posting this! As an aside, a scale model of this could be made easily using the Airfix 1/76 scale RAF Recovery Set's Thornycroft Amazon crane, combined with the 6-Pounder that comes with their Bren Gun carrier. I think I have both in my stash, and I'm strongly considering this interesting, simple project . . . .
Correction: I'm going to need to scratch build a 1/76 scale 17 Pounder for this project. Not as easy as using something already available, but as long as I have my sheet plastic and spare parts box out to build the armored casemate for the truck, I might as well try my hand at scratch building the entire 17 Pounder; or at least roughing it out. (Maybe if I'm not too picky, I could take the barrel from the 1/72 Airfix Sherman Firefly . . . .)
Thanks again for posting this video on a rare and interesting subject!
@modelermark172 if you haven't already done it, isn't there a towed 17pdr kit out there with the humber car or something
@@hammer1349 Thanks! If I do decide to do this project, I'll keep an eye out for that kit. That said, these days it almost doesn't pay to attempt any one-off scratch build project as it seems that plenty of established model companies (or garage industries with 3D Printers) are filling those "gaps" quicker than most modelers can via scratch building . . . .
@@modelermark172 I can't remember if it's a 17pdr or a 25pdr artillery but I imagine there is something like that out there
@@hammer1349 The only thing I could find after a quick online search was the Airfix 1/76 AEC Matador with the 5.5" gun. That said, the exposed part of the 17 Pounder on the Thornycroft Amazon SP in this video looks fairly simple, and could probably be convincingly made from Evergreen styrene tube, or even scrap part tree runner. If I were to attempt this conversion, it would be done "Old School" late 1970's - early 1980's style where the goal was to "get the point across," rather than making a rivet-per-rivet copy.
As a sidebar, "back in the day" before the internet and online search engines, modelers often would only have a photo or two, plus a few lines of text, (found more by accident than on purpose,) to base their conversions on. Ironically, this led to more actual (albeit inaccurate) builds as there really was no way to find out everything, leaving a lot of conjecture on the part of the modeler.
Most interesting, just my cup of tea...
I enjoyed the content.
Seems to be a natural evolution of the various portees the brits were fond of in the desert campaign in North Africa.
More of the weird and wonderful please!
I feel this could have developed into something like an armoured M3 75mm GMC or the Japanese Na-To, with the gun facing forward over the cab. That said the lack of tracks likely limited what they could do significantly
I wonder if it was purely a "Let's see how we can get this thing to fit" type of mock-up.
Interesting
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October '42: The DRA has a pilot model "17-pr. S.P. Thorneycroft"(sic) nearing completion for a "special Middle East requirement". No further details.
I’d love to see a video on cranes. I’m sure there are some armored ones
Interesting
Your video's are some proper geek shit, I love them.
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1:15 The photo on the right. Why is this kind of track not used in military vehicles while it finds its use in the commercial market? Half of the modern Harvesters can be fitted with such and further expand the off-road range and capabilities of a truck or wheeled APC.
Likely because it would risk causing damage to regular roads. Its also another thing that logistics needs to take into account. Someone needs to build the tracks, make spares for the tracks and then deliver them to military units that won't always need them but still want to have them just in case. Fuel efficiency etc are also things to take into account but end of the day, I'm not a vehicle designer so take my hypotheses with some salt
This is one of those many random vehicles I see on the warthunder forum every so often.
The French army tried the same concept with the CHASSEUR DE CHAR LAFFLY W 15 TCC
Do you ever find the odd random factoid about vehicles you've already covered? If so, it sounds like a prime opportunity for an "addenda" video.
Like a wheeled, unarmoured, archer
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Maybe my Amazon order will be delivered on time and won’t get stolen, if the courier has one of these vans
Being that this weapons carrier is called the Amazon .... does the shell knock on the hatch of the enemies AFV to notify them that a 17 pounder projectile is being delivered. lol
Looks like an oversized Alecto.
Well if this isn't in war thunder by the end of the year then I'll be disappointed
It looks like an upscaled french Laffly W15 TCC prototype.
''Amazon's here mum''
''AT gun or my hair dryer '' ?
War thunder needs this
Strange vehicle indeed. I’m thinking it was a one off attempt for a mobile 17 pounder mount. A strategy anything other than laying in wait and shooting and scooting wouldn’t seem promising. I wonder whether it would handle the recoil or not ?.
It seems a natural evolution of the various portees the British (and italians) were fond of using in North Africa.
Very interesting to see.
When Jeff Bezos sees how much money the PMCs make annually
The big take away I got is that Amazon has been a name in logistics for a long time. ;)
Also, not great at designing tank destroyers.
4:14 Audio disappears for a second here.
Also, this is more photos than I realized existed of this thing. I'd never seen the front views before.
Looks like a heavily armed baker's van.
You have to admit, before the modern tactics/standard tank layouts were thought of, those tank designers had to be hitting some hardcore drugs to come up with these weird vehicles.
It's not a tank.
@@JohnyG29 Well arent you just a ray of sun shine...you pedantic keyboard warrior....ok then...Armoured vehicle designers....
Does it get delivered by post?
Wooden mock up ?
Oh no, not more wheeled vehicles for WoT
Zerged? :-) My Life for Aiur!
Dang bezos went back in time for war profiteering
Looks like a wheeled Alecto.
No need for reverse gear if the enemy can’t determine the front or back of destroyer haha
Would the archer had been around buy then
War Thunder when
One correction, while it may be an unpleasant fact for the British it was the Sentential tank that first had a operational 17 pdr gun fitted.
i have a whole vid on the ozzy contribution to the 17pdr :)
@@armouredarchives8867 Yes but 3:20 Like the series BTW.
@@armouredarchives8867 Just in case you haven't spotted it a bot is pretending to be you on the comments of your videos (just look at the replies to some of the comments)
im sure thats in my george forty amoured cars of both wars love old british army veehikkles ido diddly
With the gun permanently mounted facing rearwards it would have be perfect for the Italians to use while running away.
At least the Italians didn't build a "tank" with the gun mounted backwards...
There are some areas where Amazon could use this for their deliveries.
2:03 Have to disagree there. To me, the American lorries look daft with their big noses, worse forward visibility too. But there is no accounting for taste.
i won ?.
Jeff Bezos should give these out to Ukraine, pls help Ukraine 😭