A Mechanics Nightmare, the Ferdinand | Cursed by Design
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Many tank destroyers were built during the second world war. Of these several stand out as being extremely successful while others were nothing but failures. The Ferdinand/Elefant is an odd case as it fits into both categories. Stay tuned as we discuss the story of this infamous Porsche product.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - 3:42 Intro
3:42 - 5:25 The Chassis
5:25 - 11:14 Design and Conversion
11:14 - 22:30 Combat Service
22:30 - 25:06 Survivors and Conclusion
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Can you cover the porche JadgTiger 2, it's the one with the porshe styled suspension there's one in Bovington but i can not find info on the reasons why it was used other than it being experimental/available
Cool vid, as always! How about analyzing the TR-125 P? I'd like to see your opinion on this tank. I'm no expert on heavy military vehicles, but I'd say it is a pretty good hardware, even for nowadays standards.
Hey,can you please do a jagdtiger video
I really challenge you to provide a primary source were it's written that Germans used five Famos on a single tank. Those fuckers had a towing capacity of 28 to 35 tons and a very powerful engine driven winch!
@@HaVoC117X as the pop-up said in the video there is a photograph of it happening
The German solution to the Ferdinand reliability problems is to add more weight to it
Fixing complexity *with MORE complexity the German way!*
they took “bigger is better” a bit too seriously
They say that the german tank weight graphic only goes up
They were big fans of Giles Corey.
@@warlloverespanol2897As for any other country.
The prominent failure at Kursk with mines was due to stupidity of deployment.
Specifically with the 653. s.Pz.Jg.Abt.
It was with the if I recall correctly the 2. Panzer Divisions Pioneers where they were sent out to clear the mines. This Soviet shad defenses on top of hills and artillery observers, so each time the pioneers went to clear the mines, Soviet artillery would batter them. Some idiot made a decision to use the Ferdinand’s to charge into the minefield to clear a path.
The Ferdinand’s particularity got hit by Soviet infantry because of the specific tenacity of the Soviet 15th Rifle Division. While the 15th rifle division utterly collapsed and died due to the 27 Tigers of the 505. s.Pz.Abt. and Infantry of the 6. infanterie Division, the north of the 15th Soviet rifle division held up much better, it was specifically ordered by the leader in area to stay in their trenches and let the tanks pass over them, once the tanks passed, pop back out and halting the incoming infantry. This effectively isolated the Ferdinand’s where they could be hit from the front, side, and rear, not only by infantry, but by anti tank infantry and light anti tank guns.
It’s was due to the sheer tenacity and the Germans blunder that the Ferdinand’s faced particular losses here.
It still boggle me why charging a whole battalion through a minefield was an acceptable idea, then the employment and use was just against the doctrine it was meant to do.
@@KuK137Looks like we just found Putin's personal UA-cam account 😂
Huh...
Sounds identical to the current Russian tactic in Ukraine lmao
Ah, as opposed to the brilliant russian strategy of displaying utter incompetence, corrupt military leadership and embarassing oneself completely in front of the whole world, against a much, much smaller, militarily much weaker nation😂 @@KuK137
Desperate,but Kursk is very early on the war ,They still have few offensive after Kursk aren't they?
@@junibug6790they might be exageratting on numbers, but the new offensive on the south is (at the very least) terrible. Barely any gains, alot of casualties.
And no, just cus I'm saying Ukraine is doing bad (on this part of the war) doesn't mean I support Russia.
The Ferdinand/Elefant may have the highest kill ratio, but it should've been used mainly as a Defensive Anti-Tank Weapon rather than what is was used for without infantry support in the Battle of Kursk
If so then it should be mobile, cause in defense the enemy decides where it attacks. It is a shit tank destroyer if it cant arrive in time to prepare an ambush and the kill count dosnt change that. Cause youre just adding 0:0 most of the time.
It WAS. Kursk only lasted a short period of July 1943. From August 1943, through 1944 and even into early 1945 the Ferdinand/Elefant WAS used very successfully in a defensive tank destroyer role by and large. A few even made it back to help defend Berlin.
@lyndoncmp5751 when the Elephant was given to former stug crews who used it like one it was very successful. They were able to pick their targets off at range it wasn't meant to be used like a tank despite the armour.
@@johnludmon7419
Exactly. After Kursk, the Ferdinand was used as a long range anti tank sniper, particularly in the defensive fighting of the River Dnieper bend battles. It took a long time for the rest of the Ferdinands to be lost. They lasted well into and through 1944 and even into 1945.
No, the highest Kill Ratio was the Commander of the Elephants unit... the Tiger P 003, that had the same new reliable engines and the 200 front armor like a elephant but more agile and with turret... but is was destroyed on a rush of an orde of T34s to hunt them from killing the tanks that tried to surround the Elephants... there was a lot of war histories about that tiger and there is even a movie, and actually we had real pictures about it, sad it was lost in the tundra.
Always loved the elephant despite its many flaws it was a powerful and wicked looking beast.
All the Big Katz were horribly Beautiful ❤️😂
"wicked looking"? It's a good thing that has absolutely nothing to do with combat effectiveness.
The Jag Tiger also…shite but a beautiful Metal Monster❤all zee German tanks r beautiful, they worshipped craftmanship, not reality
If they had kept the war going somehow, who knows what those bigger is better cud of achieved…
The maus, ratte, I’m guessing Hitler wud have ordered a skyscraper 🏙️ sized tank with 100ft diameter rounds to send zee Nazis to the moon to start on tht Giant Mirror whacked idea.
The meth force was strong with them😅
Its motor and Transmission are the biggest flaws, however it wouldve been REALLY good as defensive T.D.,
Despite all its flaws, Ferdinand/Elephant remains as one of my two favorite tank destroyers from WW2 (the other being Hetzer). There's just something about its big size, quirky design, odd boxy look, and the history of being spawned from a losing tank design that just grab my interest... lol. x3
StuG 3 Aufs G
@@romaboo6218 Your mother. Stug III wasnt big, quirky nor designed on a chassis of a failed tank.
@@romaboo6218 StuG isn't a Tank Destroyer, its an Assault Gun.
My favourites are rarely the best, something doesn’t have to be good to be endearing!
@@Paciat the hetzer was smaller than a stug
Fritz: Hans we need better transmission
Hans: More armor you say ?
Fritz: Nien better transmission
Hans: Bigger cannon you say ?
Fritz: Goddamn it Hans
Hans: Oh battleship cannons
Fritz: ..... Ja Hans JAAAAAA
German engineering in a nutshell
No one actually watched the video...
Its actually spelled nein and not nien.
@@johnnycab8986for real. All I see are comments spewing the same, wrong, misconceptions that are debunked in the video.
The part of the Ferdinand/Elephant story i've never quite understood is how Porshe was able to get away with and also his confidence in getting the Tiger contract that 100 hulls were produced.
Because Porche considered himself a genius, which isn't being unkind. The man was rich within a highly hierarchical society, driven to skirt the Versailles treaty limitations & he had powerful political connections. Plus, the Nazis had a very loose, permissive relationship with German industry & the capitalist class.
If the Nazis got their bribes & their weapons, they'd supply slaves & state money, & be largely hands off with the industrial sector.
You should definitely watch my previous video on the Tiger (P) in that case. The common misconception that he ordered them without approval is wrong
Porsche was very close to the 3rd reich, that was no penalty was given
@@TrollOfReason "capitalist class" Yeah no there was zero of that going on. The whole nationalization of all industry and economy, factory owners outside of a few inner fold folks having not even the right to fire someone, zero option to set prices as it was all dictated by the government, simply put there was ZERO just entire ZERO capitalism at play after National Socialists took power. And no Capitalism isn't where the government dictates every tiny detail with commerce because it isn't a different form of socialism just because you think so.
@@ConeOfArc
That is fair, & I'm guilty of hyperbole & lying for children. Sorry.
I remember reading/hearing one story about the Elephant at Kursk, from David Fletcher i think, how a Heer company that used the Elephant sat back and hammered oncoming Soviet armor and took zero losses.
Meanwhile a SS Company that'd converted from towed AT guns charged around, got picked off one by one and was eventually destroyed.
I suppose that serves as an example of the difference of fighting with discipline vs fighting with zeal.
The Waffen SS never used the Ferdinand/Elephant. Heer only.
You know a tank is bad when the Jagdtiger is more reliable.
😂
Ferdinand was one of my favourite tanks tho
Arguably tank destroyers have continued, they are just now armed with ATGMs instead of guns.
There's relatively few ATGM-only vehicles these days.
Problem is that nearly every vehicle nowadays can mount ATGMs, so the line between what is a dedicated tank destroyer is and an IFV is blurred very hard.
@@dannyzero692 Which is why the term "Tank Destroyer" isn't really used anymore, except in some BS games. The West German Jaguar might have been the last one.
Hey Cone, would you ever do a series or video on the Italian tank destroyers of WW2?
Id like to see that
Name one. Betcha can't.
@@frenzalrhomb6919 M43 75/46
Semovente @@frenzalrhomb6919
75/34 m43
I remember seeing one of the surviving ones at Bovington Tank Museum next to the Tiger 2P. I had no idea it was on display that day and I've never been so excited...
"Slowest Porsche ever."
Imagine being the radio operator during the battle of Kursk: you can't do anything except use the radio, you're stuck at the front with the overheating stressed engine, you are in the most vulnerable position and can't see much of the outside world😔
To be fair, the radioman also had a machinegun, and was sitting behind a 200mm thick wall of armour.
It wouldn't have been a great place to be, but as long as your unit isn't ordered ro change straight through a minefield and get itself surrounded by antifa... oh, wait... yeah, no, I wouldn't want to be a radioman in one of these things either.
I wouldn't want to be in one of these tanks, nevermind the position I find myself in lol.
I love this tank destroyer. it gets a bad wrap but it is actually an awesome killing machine. As you said, it may be the most successful tank destroyer of the war. It is a truly creative unit, being both the result of innovation, rejection, and improvisation. To be tested under such conditions is highly unusual so this tank deserves the utmost respect.
That title belongs to STUG.
@@rdallas81 There were only 90 Ferdinands, the STUG was some 10,000s of vehicles, so I don't know the ratio between them, but certainly the Ferdinand was a powerful weapon. Whether it was cost effective is another point.
why dosent porche make these anymore, sad face, much better than the sports cars
also, can you do a video on the jumbo or jackson?
I agree. MUCH better than sports cars 😝😝
Not even close
I remember talking to a member of the 653rd. He said that between STuG, JgPz6(P), and Jagdtiger, the JgPz6(P) was the unit's favorite. It was a bit overweight, but it was significantly better than Jagdtiger with a more efficient gun, it was more survivable and comfortable than STuG, and when they needed to bail out, everyone had a better chance to. My opinion of it is; of the heavy SPG's, it was probably the best; it's biggest issue being a heavy SPG, which was just a bad class to exist. Argument could be made for ISU series being better, but the driver and gunner situations are really bad
As a retired heavy duty mechanic, who has worked a huge variety of equipment from small forklifts all the way up to massive mining equipment. I was pleasantly surprised when you spoke about the maintenance difficulties. A BIG Thank you for some of this info that is severely lacking on UA-cam videos! Well Done!
The biggest enemy is a slight incline or a hill.
But still a 5-10% loss rate due to engine fires is not positive.
No it isn't, but a 10:1 plus kill ratio very much is.
It would’ve been much more reliable if they just gave it a 3.0 litre air cooled, 6-cylinder boxer mounted behind the rear axle driving the rear wheels.
As it mention in the video, the Engine was proven, since it has been used in Panzer III and IV
But the rush conversion cause lot of issue, like fuel and engine overheating do to bad layout
Also since it was a Hybrid, the one who move the tank was electric motor not the engine it self
And called the 911?😂
@@roastedsand5917 It wasn't a hybrid, it was a petrol-electric drive. A hybrid, in one way or another, uses both an ICE and electric motor to drive the vehicle. A petrol-electric just uses a gas engine to generate electricity, it serves no other purpose
@@filmandfirearms yeah i know that, i should say Petrol-Electric
But it slip into my mind about that BMW hybrid car i saw on TV when write that comment, so i write Hybrid instead Petrol-Electric 😅😂
@@JoshuaC923 Ferdinand Carrera
great video, i learned a bunch about the Ferdinand
hello coneofarc i have been watching your youtube channel for a while now and i wanted to thank you for making such good videos!
Hey Cone, have you done a video on the Jagdpanzer 38(t)? If not, i would love to see one. From what ive seen, it doenst really get too much attention, and i just love the Hetzer so much to not hear its history
What? Doesn't get much attention? Everyone and their brother has done a video or two about the Jagdpanzer 38(t) except for Cone. Multiple videos from Chieftain, both major tank museums in Europe, Military History Visualized, Spookston, and more. Go to almost any of them to learn why it's also not really called a Hetzer as well.
ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=jagdpanzer+38(t)
Why you hetzin' bro?@@wolfehoffmann2697
The hetzer is likely the most talked about tank destroyer.
Imagine destroying a panzer 3 and a double kill display appears on your HUD for destroying the ferdinand
imagjne the crew reporting how they lost their ferdinand
Better than anything you could do in War Thunder
I have the hardback version of the combat history of heavy tank destroyer battalion 653 and the research and photography in that book are second to none , wasn't cheap at £80 when published but worth every penny
Top notch content as always cone ❤️
I got to see the Ferdinand in Ft. Lee while I was there. it was truly a sight to behold!
The Elephant is at Fort Lee, which also has a German railway gun (you can see that one from the roadside) and is close to the Petersburg National Battlefield Park.
Good video man, learned a lot. The Ferdinand is one of those axis vehicles I knew about, but didnt really know about most of the details/specifications. I have always been a Porsche guy, so I love hearing more about the brain that created these beastly wartime machines. Respect to German engineering (the transmissions dont count lol)
It was an informative and wonderful introduction video about Ferdinand anti-tank vehicles ..German designed it as a fast responsive to the ward's higher quantity of Soviets T-34 tanks in east front... thank you for sharing
Being tired as it's morning here, I was wondering why the heck the germans had a lot of holes left over. Then it clicked Cone had said Hull's and not Holes 😸
Watching the plants in the game footage lay down before the tank rolls over them, and even springing back up when the tank reverses is very funny.
Awesome video! Thank you
15:39 Murphy was feeling... _Angry_ that day.
15:28
Who would've known that the most effective Ferdinand killer was a Panzer III Turret
Fascinating informative video thank you brother liked and subscribed
Great tank, I was able to see the Elephant and climb inside. Wow, what a monster.
That that picture of the Tigers single bent piece(3 of them)80mm turret armor is cool.
WAKE UP BABE NEW CURSED BY DESIGN EPISODE (now with a new intro!)
Hannibal could have told them the futility of sending Elefants to Italy.
1:34 that tank dunce hat Is such a cool idea
Despite its issues, I'm a big fan of the Elephant. Like all German heavy armor of WWII, highly effective when operational but often needing extensive maintenance. I built a model of an Italian Elephant that I recently posted on my UA-cam channel.
What speaks volumes to me is the fact that even with the known problems they had and the scheduling of the refitting is the fact they were held in place to fight rather than being sent back. To me that means the issues were nowhere near 'fatal flaws' territory and merely 'maintenance pig' headaches.
Soviet AT crew after it blows up Panzer III and it takes out the Ferdinand
*Fist Bump*
From being young enough to read through books with my granpa I remember falling in love with this vehicle, it’s so unashamedly hideous and such a characteristically brutal response the advances of allied forces
The 88mm gun is mounted within a casement which sits atop the superstructure which of course is affixed to the chassis. I flinched when the narrator called the casemate a superstructure. The hull and suspension make up the chassis.
Great video, thank you!
Imho, it'd be cooler if it was named after the story of Ferdinand the bull from a childrens book written in 1936.
_"Young Ferdinand does not enjoy butting heads with other young bulls, preferring instead to sit under a cork tree smelling the flowers."_
As Tiger P was a Cursed by Design, I see this thing squared.
23:16 HE SAID THE LINE, HE SAID IT!
When playing micro tank tabletop warfare we found the best way to utilise the Elephant/Ferdinand was a long range tank destroyer as the frontal armour was given a heavy bias and the gun was rated A+ too so giving it a very good defensive position or a long range offensive position. The only downside was it was slow and the nimble T34/76 or T34/85 could without infantry support get in close to the Elephant quite quickly and then heap damage and destruction against it.
If however you mixed it up with anti tank guns and infantry support it was a difficult target to assail as the armour and gun gave it amazing defensive capabilities
Your alert worked, here I am watching your video
The greatest flaw was the lack of combat testing. The inability to reduce some of the issues with the design, together with its assault talk role, doomed much of its further use.
You have a tank which is used best in a defensive, hidden position and kill the enemy at big range. Both, being hidden and being far away, lessens the need for big armor. Staying with 100mm and simply angling it at 45° would protect the tank against 98% the enemy can field. This would save at least 5-6 tons of weight. And a tank destroyer, which always needs to face an enemy don't need much side armour, also saving like 5 tons...
@@TheKamiran85 incorrect, the Ferdinand/Elefant was an offensive vehicles explicitly stated as a offensive vehicle and used as an offensive vehicle.
Many people do not understand the doctrine of a tank destroyer, let alone a Heavy Tank Destroyer special role.
As stated by German doctrine, a Heavy Tank Destroyer is not a towed gun, it is NOT a static weapon platform and should not be used as such. It is a mobile element.
Now what makes it offensive? It’s an Breakthrough Support vehicle. When on offensive breakthrough is to be commenced, speed, surprise and firepower are needed to crush the enemy. Speed puts the enemy in a state of shock allowing for exploitation, surprise catches the enemy off guard and unprepared, firepower allows the destruction of enemy assets.
What are the man components of a breakthrough? The tank specifically made for that, Heavy Breakthrough Tanks, Tigers. If not available, then just medium tank. The breakthrough tanks gain in its simplest form is to destroy the enemy defense and make a gap in the enemy defensive line for exploitation.
Now where does the Elefant come in? Well, when breakthrough tanks attempt to make a breakthrough, what might the enemy do? They’d likely send tanks as a countermeasure.
Why is this an issue for breakthrough tanks?
Breakthrough tanks are to focus on making a breakthrough, creating a gap in the enemy line, the more time they spend fighting, the more time is wasted and enemy reserves can replace losses, they can regroup and reorganize a defense making the attack fail, they can allow time for better rear line defenses so that if the frontline breaks though, it’s grinds to a halt and becomes stagnant by the next defensive line.
Additionally fighting enemy tanks mean potentially higher losses of friendly tanks, thus meaning loss in overall firepower, less firepower means it’s less capabilities to breakthrough, weaker capabilities means less chance to win, or more time wasted to win.
Lastly surprise, the more time is wasted, the less surprise takes effect, if the attack takes too long because the breakthrough tanks now have to deal with enemy tanks and the front line defenses, the enemy is not in a much larger advantage.
Ferdinand/Elefant are to relieve the workload on the breakthrough tanks, they are to go on the offensive WITH breakthrough tanks, when enemy tanks are to arrive to counter the breakthrough force, the heavy tank destroyers would relieve the stress and deal with enemy tanks while the breakthrough force focuses on destroying enemy defenses quickly. That is THE purpose of ALL German Heavy tank destroyers including the Jagdpanther, and Jagdtiger, even in 1944 with Wacht am Rhein (Battle of the Bulge), the Jagdtiger was deployed there for specifically that purpose.
The reason it has thick armor is because it’s a frontline vehicle made for the offensive assault, it is NOT an assault gun, it’s a tank destroyer meant to support friendly breakthrough tanks by reducing their workload.
It’s purpose is best suited for the offensive, it was used in the offensive well when the idiotic generals didn’t fuck up the doctrine, and it does well in a defensive. It is NOT a defensively orientated vehicle
Look to my reply to the other guy, you are incorrect with the assault tank role you described
Great as usual
I am in the group that turning them into recovery and maintenance vehicles was a better option
GREAT Video..... thank you 🙂
4:10 addy doing his best paul ruben impresion
In the "kill ratio" calculation they should include all the Panzer IVs or Stugs that could have been built instead.
Can't get enough of that good ol zimmerit
I always wondered why they built these things instead of just building the hulls into complete Tiger P tanks instead since that seems like it would’ve been easier, quicker and that the better tested Tiger P design would theoretically have less issues.
Because that electrical transmission was a pipedream. Germany did not have the resources to build it and still supply the U-boats with their electrical engines.
And the Kriegsmarine was very vocal in telling the Heer it could f off with stealing their stuff.
They wanted the 88mm L71, and the Tiger turret was incapable of taking it. A fixed superstructure could.
awesome video very informative
Would you do a video on the pvkv 2 someday?
Awesome video :) I love the Ferdinand can u do a vid on the bulldog or the french amxs
I love how many photos from that era you have included here. For me personally, they make the content so much more entertaining. Prob the same for you and the reasoning for why you've included them lol... Meh , I'm an idiot.
PLEASEEEE!! MORE long form content.. please.. pls pls plz plz
In WOT ,it works very well as a somewhat mobile,long range sniper. Once you get in close however,they make easy targets
Yesss finally new video but still sad i have to wait another month for video 😢
I wish if you make video about IS-7 1946
I love the Ferdinand //Elefant favorite armored vehicle of all time
Hello, My Grandfather was driver in one of the returning Ferdinands from Italy. Unit 653
Nashorn was overall a better way to give mobility to the big 88.
Far too vulnerable. All those open top vehicles, like the Marder and the Hummel had the same problem.
the great cat named artillerie tank Wespe xD
Great vid
I would like to make a documentary recommendation for Cone and others. It is a very dry series, that consists solely of genuine footage from WW2: "The Panzers", from the German War Files collection. There are about 9 hours to it, each video covering a category of German vehicle. Sadly there is no dedicated video for the Ferdinand, but there are two episodes focusing on the Stug and Hummel.
nice video
IMHO, Ferdinand/Elefant should be a side project for improving other things. kinda sad they are only good for defensive tactic rather offensive one
Yep i saw the one at fort lee during ait
Mein liebstes gepanzertes fahrzeug aus dem zweiten weltkrieg ist der Elefant, er ist einfach wunderschön, seit CoD:UO liebe ich ihn..
Is the army ordinance training center thing open to service members?
my favorite locomotive!
The debut on Kursk saw minefields 3-5 Km deep, all covered by MG's , mortars, AT guns, with hordes of artillery waiting as last so not spoil the mines. A big reserve of T-34 's wait for their timely need if you break in. No wonder things did not go well for the brutes.
Have a soft spot in my head for this design.
Part of the reasons for the loses was the Ferdinand being used to push assaults instead of its intended role as a defensive unit.
9:20 I think we need a video on the mechanism that's holding aloft 65 tons of weight there. Good god
Are there any more books like that goes into the specifics of a tank or unit that book is very interesting
nice video cone! quick unrelated question, i remember watching some streams of you and pompom, what happened to her? why did she quit streaming and youtube?
Good one!!!
Very interesting! Thanks
The one thing I can’t figure out is why so many fell to infantry anti tank teams in Russia. They should have been 2km back well out of reach of infantry. The fact that infantry got anywhere close to them I think reveals doctrinal deficiencies
as he mentioned, they kept using them as assault tanks to break enemy lines. a very foolish use.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Foolish but necessary, the Heer didn't have many options when it came to breakthroughs. If their own infantry could have kept pace as well as light vehicles it might have worked.
After all even the most die hard party member knew they weren't going to win a waiting game or a war of attrition with the Russians. Aggression was their only hope.
New intro is very cool
thats exactly what my high ass needs right now thx Cone
Porsche needs to built them again
I live in St. Valentin/Austria next to the "Nibelungenwerk". Today it´s a tractor factory still using some of the original buildings remaining.
Nicely done.
First rule of armored warfare: be mobile. Ferdinand was nowhere close.
German Heavy Units ALL had seriously inflated kill ratios.
It was misused at Kursk and suffered significant losses.
It was a waste of resources. Heavy armored units required far more maintenance personnel and Ferdinand’s spent too much time offline and being transported hundreds of miles for refitting.
How many StuG Battalions could you have traded for those 91 Ferdinands?
You're telling me throughout the entire r&d process of creating these vehicles, they never thought of added just one single machine gun mount?😮
I guess in the rush it was overlooked or they made the mistake thinking no infantry would get close..🤔
hyper rushed, and the design seemed to change quite a bit during their refit.
Because the tanks were supposed to be used as Tank destroyers, not Assault Guns. But the army lacking any big tanks with thicc armour and big guns needed breakthrough vehicles so the Ferdis were used as Assault Guns instead. A role they were not intended for. The Germans should've taken a few hulls to design as assault guns (maybe using a 105mm gun instead of an 8.8cm gun) for breakthrough vehicles.
@@HunterSteel29 Yeah, all i'm saying is in hindsight, maybe the application of the American doctrine of putting at least one machine gun on every single vehicle that was put into service would have been wise. I'm sure Germany still had the industry to churn out mg 34s.
@@adamhealy5635You're talking about a nation whose main combat arm was a bolt action rifle , who only issued automatic weapons to squad and platoon leaders , which still was using horse drawn wagons to haul most of their stuff around.
And adding hull machine guns wouldn't have helped. You can't use a Tank Destroyer as an assault gun regardless whether or not it has machine guns or not.
Omg ConeOfArc the goat!!1!1!!!!1!1
What is the vehicle he says at 11:39 (the first one) I'm not sure what it is or I maybe have never heard it called that but I would like know
"That was one big tank!"
What's interesting is that the Historican Herman Töppel had the chance to talk to a lot of German tankers who serverd in various vehicles, like the Tiger I, Panther and also the Ferdinand. He mentioned that the Ferdinand crews actually liked the tank quite a bit. Most likely due to the security the tank provided due to the thick armor and powerfull gun. Mechanically the tank might have been a night mare but if you know that your tank is difficult to destroy I guess that counts for something. Töppel also mentioned that the Russians have been pretty impressed by Ferdinand as well. Not so much by the Panther though.
Maybe because the Idea of a Panther was inspired by the T-34
@@kelvisshandei Possible. I think it had more to do with the whole tank. The Panther was rushed in to service and mechanically very unreliable. A lot of issues have been solved with later versions but some remained till the end of the war. I also think the Soviets have been kinda unimpressed by the caliber of the Panther, as their tanks started to use larger calibers, even for their medium tanks like the 85mm gun or when you look at the IS2. While the Panther had exceptional penetration for the size of the gun it lacked somewhat in the ability to effectively fight soft targets with high explosive shells.
I think the Soviets simply had different design principles in mind at that point.
The "hundreds of hours already sunk into making the hulls" is a perfect demonstration of the sunk cost fallacy.
The tiger took 300,000 man hours to build so think maybe hundered of hours building the first 100 hulls is an understatement of noble scope
I could imagine that it would have been a very ideal tank destroyer it is impossible to pen from the front, atleast by allied guns in the war.
The Ferdinand/Elefant is my favourite German WWII vehicle, despite its quirks.
is the ferdinant a 3rd or 2nd biggest germany tank manage to get into production line?
"The Tank Hunter Tiger Elephant" that already sounds harass enough, can't imagine the other ones
4:98 Yes, but you also have to count the hundreds of manhours required to produce the unique spare parts that only Ferdinands (and the single befelstiger Porsche) could use.