I'm SO glad you're talking about this. As a senior in highschool, I absolutely hate when commentary / drama channels try to act like a 15-17 year old is some innocent little kid when they're not. I really feel like those ppl are too scared to say the truth which is, if you're a teenager in highschool you definitely know better. Sometimes this applies to middle schoolers too depending on the situation.
precisely! as someone who's 14, we know what the hell we're doing, and if we don't, that's a real big problem in itself. if i fuck up, i don't want to be babied. like, i fucked up, i knew what i was doing, i can take responsibility. we aren't 5-yo's
This is honestly really true, I wish people wouldn’t milk this stuff, and treat them properly. Like this stuff needs to be discussed, but it can’t be overdone and ignored, nor taken too lightly
And some of this is really important to me to hear, as someone who has been harassed and groomed my minors and minors alone. And yeah, the part about the fact creators are real people, is a really important part, i don’t feel that much like I get this, but I know a lot of people do get that.
7:03 it especially kills me when people excuse the actions of people like Lily Orchard(we talk only about Courtney stuff, 8-15y.o.), Major Cloog(16 y.o), Stories(i think 14?) Peluchin entertainment(15 y.o) because of their age.
As a commentary youtuber myself, I agree. People just need to stop cherry picking and tell things how they are and give their sensible opinion on it. And people also need to quit citing mental illness as an excuse. It annoys me so much because it makes people with mental illness (who arent hurting others) look bad.
Honestly the whole „minors cannot be accountable“ reminded me of Unknownspy/Noi drama(nickname from Streamline Workshop video). Unpopular opinion, but as a 16 y.o. myself i disliked Streamline‘s handling of this situation. The problems with Unknownspy/Happylikeawall‘s callouts were the whole stupid „plagiarism“ argument and usage of some terrible throwaway comments. But Streamline just larped too much on „big adult creators attacked a minor“ and completely brushed aside some…very concerning things. Like document described how Noi was collecting dirt on Spy and intended to FALSELY ACCUSE HER OF GROOMING HIM, and streamline read this part in the video and completely skimmed through it to talk about how much a small child this 16 y.o. kid is and how Spy just need to learn to block him.
Tbf I can get why because of the power dynamics the two obviously had on the teen and yes while the teen should be held accountable, their age should be taken into consideration (plus with how that one enbyphobic animation meme creator handled the situation is disgusting)
@ Yeah, but in my opinion both sides did not held a balance in approaching the situation. I want to say, that i‘m not siding with Spy or Happylikeawall.
Same, I wanna know how Streamline tried to paint that narrative while ignoring the fact that Noi was in a server where they were sharing NSFW with other kids and stuff. (Side note: Going off the document, I think Spy did block them but they kept block evading, and she only unblocked them to ask them to stop a few times. I think I saw Noi's alt commenting on her twitter a few times)
I couldnt agree more, Ive been watching commentary videos like these since I joined the art community wherether it was for fun, interest or as background noise and have noticed a lot of the things you point out along the years, really refreshing to see someone else have the same view of it
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING. i have a boyfriend thats 19 or so while im 21, now whoever says "predator!", yall dont really know cuz i known this man sense i was 15 or 14 years old and we've gone through hell and back and obviously grown a speciel bond, i cant just break up with him the second i turn 20 and wait until he turns 20 as well, that wont be fair for anyone. YET IF SOMEONE MY AGE JUST MET AND IS DATING A 13 YEAR OLD SUDDENLY EITHER SOMEONE DOESNT SEE THAT SHIT AND NEVER BELIEVES THE VICTIM IN SOME CASES OR JUST BELIEVES THEIR GOOD CUZ "oh but their not right in the head" OR "oh but they have a disablity" MATE I AINT RIGHT IN THE HEAD AND I HAVE AUTISM, ADHD AND ETC YET YA DONT SEE ME DOING IT!?!?!? mental states nor disabiltys should never be an excuse for someones actions, no matter how bad those conditons are.
@skibidirizz-t6v and i knew him sense i was 15, he was my first and actual friend, he's now both my lover and best friend, literally the tiny age gap wouldn't matter even when it did for whatever reason.q-q
4:10 I feel like you're missing the point. People are saying, "They're still minors," which is more referring to the fact they have time to learn, but I agree that it is overused due to development gaps
I can understand that excuse if the minor is like 11-14 but if the minor is like 15-17 then they should definetly know better at that age, and being a minor does not change anything
People do shitty things and have to deal with that. The more you try to excuse your actions, the more you want others to simply just say that you're a good person. People do bad things, apologize, and learn from it, that's how they move on. People who don't do that and try to avoid the consequences of their actions or make excuses just fall deeper down the hole.
i don't like talking about these dramas but it reminds me of the way people on tik tok hate on interests i have lost a whole chunk of followers for a show i like now it may sound weird i didn't share any weird details about it i didn't blatantly show any odd quirks related to it yet people who like things I'm not very fond of i looked at them as a person not a weird interest. i know this is odd to talk about here i just wanted to share here so see you :)
There's a huge difference between doing something bad because they didn't know it was wrong, and doing something bad because they didn't care it was wrong. The former has a path to redemption once they learn the nature of their actions, the latter has already gone down that path and rejected it, and age or mental illness don't change that. I don't follow a lot of commentary channels, but it sounds like there's a lot of conflating the two within the community, which only serves the worst people in the space.
God, this video words it perfectly. When you're covering serious topics like grooming, bigotry, or abuse, commentary is basically amateur journalism. But people treat it like high school gossip. It drives me up the wall, thanks for putting it into aords.
I feel it isn't an issue with a community, and culture. It always is the people that propagate said community and culture. No matter how bad a community is, good natured people will always transform it. Rather, an issue with creative types as a whole. A lot of creative people tend to have issues with entitlement, arrogance, self-servingness, etc. Because they aren't doing art for the reasons art is made for. When art started to be seen as a serious thing, instead of something made from passion that is self-generated. It lost its way. The problem is when people use art as a expression of themselves, and get carried away with until it becomes their entire world. All their friendships, goals, career, are built around it. So they end up jeopardizing everything they worked for because they are blinded by its promise. Don't get me wrong, art is cool. But you have to question why this happens all the time. Passion and money don't mix, so I don't believe art should have ever been a job. Art isn't designed to be a job, so I believe that's another component to this.
8:16 unfortunately had this happen in my school by a 17 year old towards a 11 year old and people were excusing it in my school because he was a minor too It was fucking crazy
OMG YES. I totally agree with all those comments, why would a 17 year old date a total MINOR, yet all those delulus say "ohhhh, but they're 17, so it's a-OK!" or even "but they have autism / ADHD, they can't help it!" NO DUDE. As someone who is autistic and a minor herself, I wouldn't try any of that BS this like??
FR. Im high support/medium support needs and although I genuinely struggle with impulse control due to other disorders and drugs during my pregnancy I still try to be normal.
When it comes to adults having a minor fan base people need to constantly remember and keep in their thoughts that, yes you do not have control on who follows you and who views your post but you do have control on who you interact with. So if you are casually interacting with minors and only joke flirting with them you are gross and the problem. You shouldn't be jokingly flirting with any minor at all rather that's what you do with your friends or not. if you are 18 flirting with 13 and 14 year olds as a joke please get some fucking help because that is not cute and funny.💀 Because if they develop feelings now you're going to victim blame with the same lame excuses. "I didn't know" or "it was only a joke" or "I didn't encourage this" or "I didn't mean for this to happen" JUST STOP FLIRTY WITH MINORS. And if they lie about their age stop talking to them immediately gather your evidence that they lied make it publicly known and never talk to them ever again. Overall stopped engaging with minors.
I think a lot of people have this perspective of “you can change even if you did something horrendous” because of how low the bar is that it makes people go “oh, maybe this is just normal since so many people are doing it”.
Ill say in a postive glimmer of hope. A teacher recently posted one of his students art to tiktok and asked for everyone to draw fanart ti make her feel appriciated and everyone did. Other than that small but wholesome instance the art community fucking sucks
I hate how drawing nsfw stuff is leaked and twisted to say that a character is a child for controversy. Like, don't draw or post nsfw outside of a 18+ platform that allows it and you're probably fine unless you're popular.
unrelated but for a quick thing like you did in the start [filling it in with gray] go to layers, theres 3 little boxes at the bottom above the blending mode click the plain white box and you can change bg color
I think of course children can do wrong but we should also not be as hard on a child who is still developing and learning, especially those 15 and under.
Ok, let me get this straight. I’m 21 and I still mess up sometimes like I did when I was 16, because even at that age you can feel kind of lost, so you make bad decisions (Like spending all my salary on silly things :,)). BUT you KNOW how to be a decent human ! Like yeah, you can act emotional, have stupid arguments but grooming ?? bullying ?? saying slurs ?? no, YOU KNOW better. Even toddlers can differentiate right from wrong 🤨
I feel like this can especially be applied to things such as Birdie "Drama", it's a never ending loop of people either going "oh he's a mentally ill man [cue infantilization]" or "he's an adult man he should've known better and blah blah stuff that has been repeated for literal years". I do think the commentary community can do great, show people what's going on and give room for people to form opinions, but it can be exhausting sometimes.
this is nothing new, really. this has always been around. callouts, etc. it's how it goes. though i agree it's gotten worse with the new generations, especially with topics that *could* be handled privately in DMs and not need every single little callout for every little thing. i remember 10 years ago callouts against people, no matter who, what, where, why, how, etc. though, i should say maybe. do something else with your time. i understand you enjoy this community and have valid points but it will just ruin you. it's a waste of time to fixate on stuff like this, especially in situations like birdie/sinnybear or whatever the person's name is. there are people who just want a next chris chan, daniel larson or whoever. is it bad? sure, it is. is it going to stop? absolutely not. what can be helpful is do not engage with the content, genuinely. i get wanting to help victims and nor am I saying don't help them. if that's your take away it's the missed point. nothing needs to be public unless someone is genuinely harmful.
This comment is not meant to be offensive I am genuinely confused! So if your avatar is darker skinned how come you constantly draw them whiter? Maybe i’m missing something but an I would appreciate an answer if you’re comfortable doing so,, (again no hate I genuinely love your videos!)
Thank you for speaking about this. As a smaller Sonic art creator who only started to grow a few months ago, I'm constantly checking myself & doing my best to be responsible with the audience I've gathered. I hate predators with a burning passion - I know what it's like to be victimized. I never befriend fans, I avoid fan DMs, and I'm always discouraging parasocial behavior. Unfortunately, posting content will always attract some level of it, no matter what a creator says or does. But that all hasn't stopped random people from coming onto my videos and claiming they "hope I don't get exposed one day" or that they're just going to assume I might be a predator "until proven otherwise" because so many other UA-camrs get outed. How on earth do you prove you've literally done nothing? This community is completely desensitized to the severity of child predation and it's sickening, honestly. Also 100% agree with your takes on ages and mental health being used as an excuse - it never has, and never will be valid. Anywho, sorry for the super long comment. Great video, definitely relate a lot to this. 🫶
I'm SO glad you're talking about this. As a senior in highschool, I absolutely hate when commentary / drama channels try to act like a 15-17 year old is some innocent little kid when they're not. I really feel like those ppl are too scared to say the truth which is, if you're a teenager in highschool you definitely know better. Sometimes this applies to middle schoolers too depending on the situation.
precisely! as someone who's 14, we know what the hell we're doing, and if we don't, that's a real big problem in itself.
if i fuck up, i don't want to be babied. like, i fucked up, i knew what i was doing, i can take responsibility.
we aren't 5-yo's
@cerubiaid Right!!
I’m 16, and I actually know how to control myself! :3
Everytime someone says a 17 year old is an uwu innocent child im always reminded of Junko furuta’s killers being aged 16-18
Mushroom girl in a nutshell
This is honestly really true, I wish people wouldn’t milk this stuff, and treat them properly.
Like this stuff needs to be discussed, but it can’t be overdone and ignored, nor taken too lightly
And some of this is really important to me to hear, as someone who has been harassed and groomed my minors and minors alone.
And yeah, the part about the fact creators are real people, is a really important part, i don’t feel that much like I get this, but I know a lot of people do get that.
7:03 it especially kills me when people excuse the actions of people like Lily Orchard(we talk only about Courtney stuff, 8-15y.o.), Major Cloog(16 y.o), Stories(i think 14?) Peluchin entertainment(15 y.o) because of their age.
As a commentary youtuber myself, I agree. People just need to stop cherry picking and tell things how they are and give their sensible opinion on it. And people also need to quit citing mental illness as an excuse. It annoys me so much because it makes people with mental illness (who arent hurting others) look bad.
Honestly the whole „minors cannot be accountable“ reminded me of Unknownspy/Noi drama(nickname from Streamline Workshop video). Unpopular opinion, but as a 16 y.o. myself i disliked Streamline‘s handling of this situation. The problems with Unknownspy/Happylikeawall‘s callouts were the whole stupid „plagiarism“ argument and usage of some terrible throwaway comments. But Streamline just larped too much on „big adult creators attacked a minor“ and completely brushed aside some…very concerning things. Like document described how Noi was collecting dirt on Spy and intended to FALSELY ACCUSE HER OF GROOMING HIM, and streamline read this part in the video and completely skimmed through it to talk about how much a small child this 16 y.o. kid is and how Spy just need to learn to block him.
Tbf I can get why because of the power dynamics the two obviously had on the teen and yes while the teen should be held accountable, their age should be taken into consideration (plus with how that one enbyphobic animation meme creator handled the situation is disgusting)
@ Yeah, but in my opinion both sides did not held a balance in approaching the situation. I want to say, that i‘m not siding with Spy or Happylikeawall.
Same, I wanna know how Streamline tried to paint that narrative while ignoring the fact that Noi was in a server where they were sharing NSFW with other kids and stuff.
(Side note: Going off the document, I think Spy did block them but they kept block evading, and she only unblocked them to ask them to stop a few times. I think I saw Noi's alt commenting on her twitter a few times)
I couldnt agree more, Ive been watching commentary videos like these since I joined the art community wherether it was for fun, interest or as background noise and have noticed a lot of the things you point out along the years, really refreshing to see someone else have the same view of it
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING.
i have a boyfriend thats 19 or so while im 21, now whoever says "predator!", yall dont really know cuz i known this man sense i was 15 or 14 years old and we've gone through hell and back and obviously grown a speciel bond, i cant just break up with him the second i turn 20 and wait until he turns 20 as well, that wont be fair for anyone.
YET IF SOMEONE MY AGE JUST MET AND IS DATING A 13 YEAR OLD SUDDENLY EITHER SOMEONE DOESNT SEE THAT SHIT AND NEVER BELIEVES THE VICTIM IN SOME CASES OR JUST BELIEVES THEIR GOOD CUZ "oh but their not right in the head" OR "oh but they have a disablity" MATE I AINT RIGHT IN THE HEAD AND I HAVE AUTISM, ADHD AND ETC YET YA DONT SEE ME DOING IT!?!?!?
mental states nor disabiltys should never be an excuse for someones actions, no matter how bad those conditons are.
literally like you two are consenting adults omg😭😭
@skibidirizz-t6v and i knew him sense i was 15, he was my first and actual friend, he's now both my lover and best friend, literally the tiny age gap wouldn't matter even when it did for whatever reason.q-q
4:10
I feel like you're missing the point. People are saying, "They're still minors," which is more referring to the fact they have time to learn, but I agree that it is overused due to development gaps
I can understand that excuse if the minor is like 11-14 but if the minor is like 15-17 then they should definetly know better at that age, and being a minor does not change anything
People do shitty things and have to deal with that. The more you try to excuse your actions, the more you want others to simply just say that you're a good person. People do bad things, apologize, and learn from it, that's how they move on. People who don't do that and try to avoid the consequences of their actions or make excuses just fall deeper down the hole.
i don't like talking about these dramas but it reminds me of the way people on tik tok hate on interests i have lost a whole chunk of followers for a show i like now it may sound weird i didn't share any weird details about it i didn't blatantly show any odd quirks related to it yet people who like things I'm not very fond of i looked at them as a person not a weird interest. i know this is odd to talk about here i just wanted to share here so see you :)
yes also i have done one commentary video so this is why i kinda spoke up
@@WILLWOODFANEPIC is the show a cartoon or based off hell? People hate on those shows a lot for some reason
@ yeah it is hh (hazbin) i know somw people dislike it but people irl dont mock me as bad lol
It’s still weird that a minor is covering this extensively
There's a huge difference between doing something bad because they didn't know it was wrong, and doing something bad because they didn't care it was wrong. The former has a path to redemption once they learn the nature of their actions, the latter has already gone down that path and rejected it, and age or mental illness don't change that. I don't follow a lot of commentary channels, but it sounds like there's a lot of conflating the two within the community, which only serves the worst people in the space.
the art community is why i fear to upload on here
SAME
Eh its not that bad as long as you dont get super popular/ do messed up things / become an art commentary youtuber
The art community is pretty chill on yt
God, this video words it perfectly.
When you're covering serious topics like grooming, bigotry, or abuse, commentary is basically amateur journalism. But people treat it like high school gossip. It drives me up the wall, thanks for putting it into aords.
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Those tapes were never yours.
I feel it isn't an issue with a community, and culture.
It always is the people that propagate said community and culture.
No matter how bad a community is, good natured people will always transform it.
Rather, an issue with creative types as a whole.
A lot of creative people tend to have issues with entitlement, arrogance, self-servingness, etc.
Because they aren't doing art for the reasons art is made for.
When art started to be seen as a serious thing, instead of something made from passion that is self-generated. It lost its way.
The problem is when people use art as a expression of themselves, and get carried away with until it becomes their entire world.
All their friendships, goals, career, are built around it.
So they end up jeopardizing everything they worked for because they are blinded by its promise.
Don't get me wrong, art is cool.
But you have to question why this happens all the time.
Passion and money don't mix, so I don't believe art should have ever been a job.
Art isn't designed to be a job, so I believe that's another component to this.
8:16 unfortunately had this happen in my school by a 17 year old towards a 11 year old and people were excusing it in my school because he was a minor too
It was fucking crazy
OMG YES. I totally agree with all those comments, why would a 17 year old date a total MINOR, yet all those delulus say "ohhhh, but they're 17, so it's a-OK!" or even "but they have autism / ADHD, they can't help it!" NO DUDE. As someone who is autistic and a minor herself, I wouldn't try any of that BS this like??
Off topic: love your art and vids, as always! ❤
FR. Im high support/medium support needs and although I genuinely struggle with impulse control due to other disorders and drugs during my pregnancy I still try to be normal.
When it comes to adults having a minor fan base people need to constantly remember and keep in their thoughts that, yes you do not have control on who follows you and who views your post but you do have control on who you interact with. So if you are casually interacting with minors and only joke flirting with them you are gross and the problem. You shouldn't be jokingly flirting with any minor at all rather that's what you do with your friends or not. if you are 18 flirting with 13 and 14 year olds as a joke please get some fucking help because that is not cute and funny.💀 Because if they develop feelings now you're going to victim blame with the same lame excuses. "I didn't know" or "it was only a joke" or "I didn't encourage this" or "I didn't mean for this to happen" JUST STOP FLIRTY WITH MINORS. And if they lie about their age stop talking to them immediately gather your evidence that they lied make it publicly known and never talk to them ever again. Overall stopped engaging with minors.
I think a lot of people have this perspective of “you can change even if you did something horrendous” because of how low the bar is that it makes people go “oh, maybe this is just normal since so many people are doing it”.
Ill say in a postive glimmer of hope. A teacher recently posted one of his students art to tiktok and asked for everyone to draw fanart ti make her feel appriciated and everyone did. Other than that small but wholesome instance the art community fucking sucks
I hate how drawing nsfw stuff is leaked and twisted to say that a character is a child for controversy. Like, don't draw or post nsfw outside of a 18+ platform that allows it and you're probably fine unless you're popular.
another banger from juni 🔥🔥
unrelated but for a quick thing like you did in the start [filling it in with gray]
go to layers, theres 3 little boxes at the bottom above the blending mode
click the plain white box and you can change bg color
thank you
I think of course children can do wrong but we should also not be as hard on a child who is still developing and learning, especially those 15 and under.
Ok, let me get this straight. I’m 21 and I still mess up sometimes like I did when I was 16, because even at that age you can feel kind of lost, so you make bad decisions (Like spending all my salary on silly things :,)). BUT you KNOW how to be a decent human ! Like yeah, you can act emotional, have stupid arguments but grooming ?? bullying ?? saying slurs ?? no, YOU KNOW better. Even toddlers can differentiate right from wrong 🤨
“He’s a minor so it’s okay!” HUHHHHH?
I feel like this can especially be applied to things such as Birdie "Drama", it's a never ending loop of people either going "oh he's a mentally ill man [cue infantilization]" or "he's an adult man he should've known better and blah blah stuff that has been repeated for literal years". I do think the commentary community can do great, show people what's going on and give room for people to form opinions, but it can be exhausting sometimes.
juni and yummi making banger content!! (exposed vid at 20k guys)
Give it a month
this is nothing new, really. this has always been around. callouts, etc. it's how it goes. though i agree it's gotten worse with the new generations, especially with topics that *could* be handled privately in DMs and not need every single little callout for every little thing. i remember 10 years ago callouts against people, no matter who, what, where, why, how, etc.
though, i should say maybe. do something else with your time. i understand you enjoy this community and have valid points but it will just ruin you. it's a waste of time to fixate on stuff like this, especially in situations like birdie/sinnybear or whatever the person's name is. there are people who just want a next chris chan, daniel larson or whoever. is it bad? sure, it is. is it going to stop? absolutely not.
what can be helpful is do not engage with the content, genuinely. i get wanting to help victims and nor am I saying don't help them. if that's your take away it's the missed point. nothing needs to be public unless someone is genuinely harmful.
Man I need better coping mechanisms so much..
This is why I don’t really make commentary videos about specific people anymore, it’s been very polarized lately
unrelated, but giving up on drawing that second eye made me laugh
THANK YOUU i just wish no one started milking a lot about any small controversy (sorry i sound confusing)
Okay so I was not expecting that ending
Peoppe need to stop taking everythimg om the internet seriously like they're involved in other's life
UR SO PRETTY
This comment is not meant to be offensive I am genuinely confused!
So if your avatar is darker skinned how come you constantly draw them whiter? Maybe i’m missing something but an I would appreciate an answer if you’re comfortable doing so,, (again no hate I genuinely love your videos!)
issues with my modeler breaking contact w me before I could get the model fixed 😭👍
Nothing insane dw
I almost teared up while watching this video…
Hellooo love your videos! ^^
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Juni
Are you gonna be a lawyer one day?
I hope she doesn’t cause she would probably be shot in court
one can only hope
gIve iT a MoNth
Cool epic
Ur the same people your talking about bro
woooosh
Unrealated: What software do you use to make your character on sreen?
Nice video
12:00 yeah, i assume that the music is gonna loop in that super janky way cause im used to it from these videos thas my expectation lol
i refuse to make good transitions
@ mimimimi 😿
Why do you sound quieter every time you make a new video
its so one day i can max my mic and scare you
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you think you’re sooo cool🙄
Thank you for speaking about this. As a smaller Sonic art creator who only started to grow a few months ago, I'm constantly checking myself & doing my best to be responsible with the audience I've gathered. I hate predators with a burning passion - I know what it's like to be victimized. I never befriend fans, I avoid fan DMs, and I'm always discouraging parasocial behavior. Unfortunately, posting content will always attract some level of it, no matter what a creator says or does.
But that all hasn't stopped random people from coming onto my videos and claiming they "hope I don't get exposed one day" or that they're just going to assume I might be a predator "until proven otherwise" because so many other UA-camrs get outed. How on earth do you prove you've literally done nothing?
This community is completely desensitized to the severity of child predation and it's sickening, honestly. Also 100% agree with your takes on ages and mental health being used as an excuse - it never has, and never will be valid.
Anywho, sorry for the super long comment. Great video, definitely relate a lot to this. 🫶