No you couldn't, either both partners needed to work or (as we decided) the breadwinner had to provide the equivalent of two decently paid jobs, this has always been the case if you wanted to buy a modest house and live a modest way of life, there might be exceptions if you could find a decent job in an area with cheap house prices. At one time with 2.5 jobs on the go often my working week totalled 100 hours, this especially when mortgare rates were hovering around 15%.
@@lewlewis6511 average house price 40 years ago was around £50,000 while average income was around £10,000 per year. Contrast that today with house prices are around 200,000 while average wages are around £23,000. There's a huge difference indeed
@@lewlewis6511 In 97 my father bought a two bed flat in south london for £70k in todays money on a single wage as a postie with my mum contributing where she could. In the noughties my mother stayed at home, father worked (long hours), we could do small holidays and I could get a few toys here and there. That, today, is impossible and very unfortunate.
If only the UK had managed her North Sea oil and gas resources for the long-term benefit of the country, including future generations, as Norway has; the UK would now have trillions in sovereign wealth funds. Sadly, both Labour and conservative Governments have squandered the benefits of our natural resources.
Wages aren’t reasonable in the uk anymore tho. You can’t survive with todays prices on 9 pound and hour which the tories perversely call ‘the living wage’
For an ex commy Peter has put his finger on the problems of the current lot in parliament, They are all left of center and none of them believe in Brexit to the point they will complete the deal! His article in the press hit the nail on the head about the state of the nation! This man is very much on the ball!
Well said, Mr Hitchens. I have been saying for years that if an employee is being paid benefits, it is really their employer who is being subsidised by the taxpayer. It is absolutely scandalous. Oh, and Just Stop, Just Stop Oil.
Wages have been largely suppressed by mass immigration. A subject that it has to be said that both Mike and Peter don't go far enough on - because they like to paint some people as racist.
And no one wants to admit it that moms are not raising our children anymore and they're growing up with fractured personalities why do you think they're so over emotional why do you think they can't handle if they can't handle UPS and Downs of life they can handle being told no they can't handle being told I don't agree with you you're wrong
The only ISSUE that has to be sorted is BREXIT -- IN EVERY ASPECT THAT WAS PROMISED! IE control of our borders, the NI Protocol, exiting the ECHR, ECJ, EU Army etc.etc.etc. once that is all done the rest will sort itself out!
You can’t exit ‘the market’ though, or vote for or against it. As Thatcher said, economically, there is no alternative (TINA). In or out of the EU, the market’s gonna get ya. So much for sovereignty and taking back control when the market decides, or else.
The government has been subsiding landlords with the housing benefit scheme for years enabling them to charge exorbitant rents that are too high for the average wage earner in this skewed country.
I was just thinking today as a working class person at my job how strange it is that it almost seems like the ruling class doesn't *want* us to work. In some paradoxical way even though we provide the value and goods and services that contribute to and maintain their lofty lifestyle, they almost seem to not *want* us to do that. Maybe it's part of a grander plan to completely replace the workforce with automation? Deincentivize blue collar work so much that the market fills the void with a cheaper automated solution? I'm not sure. But I know every day they make my job worse and give us all more reasons to quit.
@@martinoryan6582 No, he said it too as did Nick Ferrari. We must not forget or exempt any of these Communists. Worryingly, Jeremy Hunt was a cheerleader of this too, we are going to need a bigger boat as they say!
There’s a lot of talk about wages being higher but that historically comes from having strong trade unions. I’ve spoken to working class people about joining trade unions and many are not interested at all. What more can you do?
Unions start out with good intentions but always end up being corrupt and harmful, you have 2 people standing around watching one work taking an hour to change a light bulb
PR in this country would mean that the population of Muslims, (who now outnumber the combination of Northern Irish, Welsh & Cornish), would form their own party and be kingmakers of every coalition government.
I could listen to Peter hitchens all day. I have read all his books. This man nails it every time. Mike Graham is also a brilliant broadcaster. If he doesn't agree, he will stand his ground whoever he is up against.👍
Agree 100% with the notion that employers use the benefit system to under pay their employees (and boost their profits at the same time!). The main problem with the benefit system is that it is possible to live for a lifetime on benefits. The life you can lead is very limited in every sense - culturally, intellectually even materially - and those who follow this "career path" become, literally, demoralised. I think it was Nye Bevan who said that the working class of this country demand too little not too much. Very true! But there is atoal lack of realisation that these things have to be worked for, both individually and collectively.
We dod it by yelling moms ots better to stick your kids with strangers all day instead of raising them yourself with a father who works mom ised to jave time to be part of the community before and the kids now kids are left alone left to the streets parents are Mia all day amd half the night are you kidding
That whole rump of middle class grifters who are anti White racists who hate British nationalism especially Thatcher Farage Liberals. Give me a break! You are no more loyal than Sunak the son of Thatcher. I've warned Nigeria that he can expect a private criminal prosecution ( they happen fast) for his anti white racist banns on ex members of the BNP but not ex Jihadists during his dire Ukip debacle. The real problem in this country is Ukip Liberals who hate the British and think the history of this country only starts after Cromwell. They are a bloody nuisance with an attitude problem petty little men like their spiv cult lousy Karma but don't expect an apology from the deep haters of any actual intellect. Read a f... book.
Theyre both good speakers. Peter has become much more well rounded intellectually with age. And he didn't smoke or drink Ala Bertram Wooster like his brother, so he's still around, which has its advantages.
I like Peter Hitchens but he's so wrong about the illegality of hard drugs and their effects. The prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s disproves Peter's assertion.
No. It doesn’t. It was hardly even enforced and alcohol consumption dropped by 40%. That’s insane, for a drug which has been in use in society for all of our civilisation all history. Classic libertarian talking point which has been debunked multiple times. Japan and South Korea stamped out drugs. Instead of comparing America compare what this county used to be like before the laws eased up. Can’t go to London or any major city without smelling cannabis now, was not the case 60 years ago.
@@jimmybobby4824 So many contradictions and bullshit, I don't know where to start. 1. How can alcohol consumption drop by 40% during prohibition yet say prohibition laws weren't enforced? That doesn't make any sense. 2. Multiple drugs have been used throughout civilisation, nothing new there. People in the past knew how to regulate and tax drugs. 3. Japan and South Korea have stamped out dugs... So why does the Japanese Yakuza still make money of drugs? Who are they selling the drugs to? (A hint: A Yakuza boss was arrested in the US for selling meth and heroin and procure illegal weapons to sell to terrorists) Oh and drug addiction is on the rise in South Korea. So much for Japan and South Korea stamping out drugs. 4. As for smelling cannabis in every major UK city today but it wasn't the case 60 years ago... Citation needed.
Mike isn't in touch with the real world regarding wages. He keeps going on about employers should be paying their staff enough money so as not to be subsidised by the government, but the employers are paying them the minimum wage or more which is set by the government. Also, does he realise that some people might only work 16 or so hours so what does he expect the employers to do in that situation. They can't pay them £30 per hour instead of the minimum wage just because they choose to work fewer hours. That is why the government have to top up wages
Anyone who knows a person who has been on cannabis long term will have observed the adverse effects this drug has. Cannabis is harmful, of that there is no doubt.
I agree, his position on Marijuana and a few other things is borderline fundamentalist and radical. But everyone usually has a subject like that they're a bit thick on. Its fine. And I still enjoy his argument against it even if I don't agree.
@@redset11 so you met some losers with no self control who abuse a substance. You could run into these exact same problems with any substance or action, ever heard of alcoholism? or gambling addiction? how about sex addiction? your argument falls apart if looking at it through any sort of intelligent lens. these puritan talking points were outdated 30 years ago. and the more you spew this nonsense the less credibility you have.
@@minekara6407 the candidate that was voted in by the crazy Tory members. Sunak is a dramatically better candidate then Truss and should have got the job in the first place. As long as the idiots who elected Truss stay out of his way he can do a good job.
What issue do you want the new Prime Minister to tackle first?
Drop the Net Zero agenda
Legal and illegal migrants.
Stop printing money
Explain our ties to the WEF
Drop nett zero
"The conservative party is a branch of the Labour Party" is the key takeaway here.
40 years ago you could raise a family and save for a house on a minimum wage factory job. You'd be lucky just to pay rent nowadays
No you couldn't, either both partners needed to work or (as we decided) the breadwinner had to provide the equivalent of two decently paid jobs, this has always been the case if you wanted to buy a modest house and live a modest way of life, there might be exceptions if you could find a decent job in an area with cheap house prices.
At one time with 2.5 jobs on the go often my working week totalled 100 hours, this especially when mortgare rates were hovering around 15%.
@@lewlewis6511 average house price 40 years ago was around £50,000 while average income was around £10,000 per year. Contrast that today with house prices are around 200,000 while average wages are around £23,000. There's a huge difference indeed
@@lewlewis6511 In 97 my father bought a two bed flat in south london for £70k in todays money on a single wage as a postie with my mum contributing where she could. In the noughties my mother stayed at home, father worked (long hours), we could do small holidays and I could get a few toys here and there. That, today, is impossible and very unfortunate.
If only the UK had managed her North Sea oil and gas resources for the long-term benefit of the country, including future generations, as Norway has; the UK would now have trillions in sovereign wealth funds. Sadly, both Labour and conservative Governments have squandered the benefits of our natural resources.
It's paid for the welfare state. So it's been squandered.
"Hard work for reasonable wages". Well said! That is a virtue. But no one hears of it these days.
Wages aren’t reasonable in the uk anymore tho. You can’t survive with todays prices on 9 pound and hour which the tories perversely call ‘the living wage’
Hitchens is always worth listening to, even if I don't always agree with him.
Seldom agree with Hitchens minor but he makes some valid observations in this video...
@@jabbalechat7910 Peter is a prophet and the prophet is never accepted in his own country.
For an ex commy Peter has put his finger on the problems of the current lot in parliament, They are all left of center and none of them believe in Brexit to the point they will complete the deal! His article in the press hit the nail on the head about the state of the nation! This man is very much on the ball!
He's done an extraordinary sum of study in his life. When education was available without woke
Well said, Mr Hitchens. I have been saying for years that if an employee is being paid benefits, it is really their employer who is being subsidised by the taxpayer. It is absolutely scandalous. Oh, and Just Stop, Just Stop Oil.
Rent's are to expensive bedsit £200 a week + polltax
Wages have been largely suppressed by mass immigration. A subject that it has to be said that both Mike and Peter don't go far enough on - because they like to paint some people as racist.
Conservative in name only as opposed to Conservative
Hear hear.
And no one wants to admit it that moms are not raising our children anymore and they're growing up with fractured personalities why do you think they're so over emotional why do you think they can't handle if they can't handle UPS and Downs of life they can handle being told no they can't handle being told I don't agree with you you're wrong
The system of MP’s deciding the PM only works if MP’s are honest, decent and competent. Ours are anything but.
The mps come from the public, what does the tell you about the people of this country ?
My hero
The only ISSUE that has to be sorted is BREXIT -- IN EVERY ASPECT THAT WAS PROMISED! IE control of our borders, the NI Protocol, exiting the ECHR, ECJ, EU Army etc.etc.etc. once that is all done the rest will sort itself out!
You can’t exit ‘the market’ though, or vote for or against it. As Thatcher said, economically, there is no alternative (TINA). In or out of the EU, the market’s gonna get ya. So much for sovereignty and taking back control when the market decides, or else.
Staying in an entry level job for a lifetime is never going to elevate you beyond an entry level wage.
The government has been subsiding landlords with the housing benefit scheme for years enabling them to charge exorbitant rents that are too high for the average wage earner in this skewed country.
‘20 mins with Hitchens’ when the ads are gone.
Still worth listening to though.
I was just thinking today as a working class person at my job how strange it is that it almost seems like the ruling class doesn't *want* us to work. In some paradoxical way even though we provide the value and goods and services that contribute to and maintain their lofty lifestyle, they almost seem to not *want* us to do that. Maybe it's part of a grander plan to completely replace the workforce with automation? Deincentivize blue collar work so much that the market fills the void with a cheaper automated solution? I'm not sure. But I know every day they make my job worse and give us all more reasons to quit.
Remember, Mike Graham wanted to make people unemployed because they didn't get a jibby-jab. Lovely guy! How's that looking now, Mike?
He's a toad faced cretin
You are thinking of Pierce Morgan
@@martinoryan6582 No, he said it too as did Nick Ferrari. We must not forget or exempt any of these Communists. Worryingly, Jeremy Hunt was a cheerleader of this too, we are going to need a bigger boat as they say!
@@TheFoxpitt Is there a video of that available? I know Mike dismissed concerns over 💉 injuries on a recent Triggernoetry video.
Oh how I still miss his brother, Christopher. All the analysis and wonderful commentary we would have been treated to over the recent years.
Truss policies were not a failure, they were never implemented!!!!!!
If they were implemented we'd be looking at interest rates of 25% with inflation to match.
Great points made
Afew more shots of Liz Truss please, especially getting in and out of cars.
There’s a lot of talk about wages being higher but that historically comes from having strong trade unions. I’ve spoken to working class people about joining trade unions and many are not interested at all. What more can you do?
Unions start out with good intentions but always end up being corrupt and harmful, you have 2 people standing around watching one work taking an hour to change a light bulb
If I joined a trade union they would shut down my company the next day.
@@stonehouseguitars3869 Why is that?
The US FED has run the UK since at least 2008. Makes little odds who is in govt
More pointless interruption by Graham.
Mike ; shut up and allow the guest to talk.
Mike, why do you encourage people such as Grant Schapps? Are you attempting to lend them some undeserved credibility?
PR in this country would mean that the population of Muslims, (who now outnumber the combination of Northern Irish, Welsh & Cornish), would form their own party and be kingmakers of every coalition government.
Only Azov Fascism for Sunak. Never whitey.
Allas it is a perfect summery.
Peter Hitchens makes me optimistic, although I can't figure out why 😂
I could listen to Peter hitchens all day. I have read all his books. This man nails it every time. Mike Graham is also a brilliant broadcaster. If he doesn't agree, he will stand his ground whoever he is up against.👍
Agree 100% with the notion that employers use the benefit system to under pay their employees (and boost their profits at the same time!). The main problem with the benefit system is that it is possible to live for a lifetime on benefits. The life you can lead is very limited in every sense - culturally, intellectually even materially - and those who follow this "career path" become, literally, demoralised. I think it was Nye Bevan who said that the working class of this country demand too little not too much. Very true! But there is atoal lack of realisation that these things have to be worked for, both individually and collectively.
Don't worry we live in a DEMOCRACY
They picked Truss because she was a top war monger.
How ironic that anti-toking dudes like Hitchens would benefit most from a good toke of high strength sativa. HO HUM!
No
While Mike would also like to lower the min wage no doubt
Not one of these has ever lasted half an hour.
Neo-liberalism. End of.
Stop degree level policing.
The Shapps Scooters
They’re still doing that communistic fist bump? 🙄
If the protocol isn't properly sorted, the DUP should close all the curry takeaways in Northern Ireland.
We dod it by yelling moms ots better to stick your kids with strangers all day instead of raising them yourself with a father who works mom ised to jave time to be part of the community before and the kids now kids are left alone left to the streets parents are Mia all day amd half the night are you kidding
Two nothing hacks
That whole rump of middle class grifters who are anti White racists who hate British nationalism especially Thatcher Farage Liberals. Give me a break! You are no more loyal than Sunak the son of Thatcher. I've warned Nigeria that he can expect a private criminal prosecution ( they happen fast) for his anti white racist banns on ex members of the BNP but not ex Jihadists during his dire Ukip debacle. The real problem in this country is Ukip Liberals who hate the British and think the history of this country only starts after Cromwell. They are a bloody nuisance with an attitude problem petty little men like their spiv cult lousy Karma but don't expect an apology from the deep haters of any actual intellect. Read a f... book.
Graham - yes; Hitchens less so(although he did take the wrong turn regarding the 💉. He is also not willing to talk about the WEF, etc.)
Auld Rushi will to have a carrier bag with him when attending any meetings with Charlie boy 🤔😂😂😂
In the last two editions of this show, Mike h as interrupted far too much.
Hitchen's Half Hour with these two is the highlight of my week.
Hancock's half hour makes more sense.
Arrest them and throw away the key.
private colleges pay no vat
I liked Rishi better when he was taller...
A lovable old trot !
Peter sounds like Prince Charles. He waffles. His brother is sorely missed. Peter is correct, his delivery is awful.
His brother was an degenerate pervert communist who supported neo-con foreign wars
Theyre both good speakers. Peter has become much more well rounded intellectually with age. And he didn't smoke or drink Ala Bertram Wooster like his brother, so he's still around, which has its advantages.
And the training for work schemes where people are classified as employed while on benefits
I bet you about 60% of the single mothers could get back with their children's children's father with one phone call and live happily after
Apart from those with ADD syndrome - All Different Dads. Or those slappers who are not even sure who the fathers are.
Lizz should have been given more time as pm
I think she did enough damage in the time she had.
What a pair, Peter Hitchens is a pale shadow of his late brother Christopher and Mike Graham is a part-time concrete grower.
I like Peter Hitchens but he's so wrong about the illegality of hard drugs and their effects. The prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s disproves Peter's assertion.
No. It doesn’t. It was hardly even enforced and alcohol consumption dropped by 40%. That’s insane, for a drug which has been in use in society for all of our civilisation all history. Classic libertarian talking point which has been debunked multiple times. Japan and South Korea stamped out drugs. Instead of comparing America compare what this county used to be like before the laws eased up. Can’t go to London or any major city without smelling cannabis now, was not the case 60 years ago.
@@jimmybobby4824
So many contradictions and bullshit, I don't know where to start.
1. How can alcohol consumption drop by 40% during prohibition yet say prohibition laws weren't enforced? That doesn't make any sense.
2. Multiple drugs have been used throughout civilisation, nothing new there. People in the past knew how to regulate and tax drugs.
3. Japan and South Korea have stamped out dugs... So why does the Japanese Yakuza still make money of drugs? Who are they selling the drugs to? (A hint: A Yakuza boss was arrested in the US for selling meth and heroin and procure illegal weapons to sell to terrorists) Oh and drug addiction is on the rise in South Korea. So much for Japan and South Korea stamping out drugs.
4. As for smelling cannabis in every major UK city today but it wasn't the case 60 years ago... Citation needed.
Yes - also the "big binge" before WWI, when a lot of these drugs were legal(London even had opium dens).
Mike isn't in touch with the real world regarding wages. He keeps going on about employers should be paying their staff enough money so as not to be subsidised by the government, but the employers are paying them the minimum wage or more which is set by the government. Also, does he realise that some people might only work 16 or so hours so what does he expect the employers to do in that situation. They can't pay them £30 per hour instead of the minimum wage just because they choose to work fewer hours. That is why the government have to top up wages
Try this: Playback speed 0.75 - they both sound extremely drunk and it almost lasts a full half hour!
They overlooked the 650 'workers' who at every turn have their pay and conditions topped up and enhanced at the drop of a hat...
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Hitchens makes sense until he speaks about cannabis.
on that topic he is a 🤡
Anyone who knows a person who has been on cannabis long term will have observed the adverse effects this drug has. Cannabis is harmful, of that there is no doubt.
I agree, his position on Marijuana and a few other things is borderline fundamentalist and radical. But everyone usually has a subject like that they're a bit thick on. Its fine. And I still enjoy his argument against it even if I don't agree.
@@redset11 so you met some losers with no self control who abuse a substance. You could run into these exact same problems with any substance or action, ever heard of alcoholism? or gambling addiction? how about sex addiction?
your argument falls apart if looking at it through any sort of intelligent lens.
these puritan talking points were outdated 30 years ago.
and the more you spew this nonsense the less credibility you have.
You protest too much because you're on it.
@@Ruda-n4h slow clap - did you think that up all by yourself?
thanks for adding your big brain take 😂
Mike and Peter need to have a joint and cheer the eff up!!
I think Rishi will be a good Prime Minister if he's allowed to get on with the job.
*what*
🙄
idiot
Ok let's give him 44 days
@@minekara6407 the candidate that was voted in by the crazy Tory members. Sunak is a dramatically better candidate then Truss and should have got the job in the first place. As long as the idiots who elected Truss stay out of his way he can do a good job.
Mike and Peter need to have a joint and cheer the eff up!!
So they can join in giggling whilst sinking into the sea like the rest of us?
@Pixie Pete no you’re right , best to use a dry herb vapouriser
@@SagaciousFrank haha. Yes
I was thinking that they should try mushrooms. 😉
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat that would help too. All politicians should be forced to have a dmt trip