I love it that many who set their sights on the Toreador believe that they are, with some justification, a bunch of efeminate pretty bubbleheads. And when the Toreador masterfully turn the tables on them, they find that it was their first and last mistake.
Until they get stuck staring at a painting till they are more useless than they already were. Most vamps have access to dominate or presence. Toreadors' only clqim to fame is that they have both.
Really? May I ask why? I'm not saying you can't have your favorites its just that I, personally never had any love for the toreador and want to hear the reason for the love of them. I don't really hate them either, its just nothing about them really clicked with me. I'm the type of person who creates a bunch of character sheets and characters I'll probably never use because there's a bunch of concepts I want to try in the future. Of the main clans, the three that I never seemed to vibe with were, toreador, the followers of set, and the brujah.
@@JohnSmith-xm4dk art can be anything Beauty changes from decade to decade. A young toreador may seem like a vain tween vampire. But imagine If Mozart had never died. could you imagine the level of skill that they could have achieved? Toreador offer the chance to really play with beauty standards, what does beauty mean when you have been alive for 500 years? it provides interesting opertunities for conflict. it allows you to play with perspectives that the other clans don't really adress as much. My Toreador characters are some of my most complex & powerful. a Toreador irish gunslinger savant I originally started in a wild west setting, 6 years of campaigns later now has over 200 years of experience to add to the skill, is more deadly in a fight then the Punisher and flys a jet instead of riding a horse. He went from a player character to now as a reoccurring NPC in my own games. Because of politics he is forced to act like a calm professional, But when he's free to be himself it's like Yosemite Sam dragon Ball Z fusion danced with the Tasmanian devil in a machine gun orchestra. chaos, fun, death & romance. Going from sexy irish cowboy, to being a global enforcer, with the most advanced modern equipment, executing targets for his Prince in Portland Oregon. ( which let's me add him into games no matter the setting). I keep a character sheet binder with his player kills. He is easily my most feared NPC but he is also the one my players enjoy interacting with the most because I can play with his Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde dynamic.
@@JohnSmith-xm4dk art can be anything Beauty changes from decade to decade. A young toreador may seem like a vain tween vampire. But imagine If Mozart had never died. could you imagine the level of skill that they could have achieved? Toreador offer the chance to really play with beauty standards, what does beauty mean when you have been alive for 500 years? it provides interesting opertunities for conflict. it allows you to play with perspectives that the other clans don't really adress as much. My Toreador characters are some of my most complex & powerful. a Toreador irish gunslinger savant I originally started in a wild west setting, 6 years of campaigns later now has over 200 years of experience to add to the skill, is more deadly in a fight then the Punisher and flys a jet instead of riding a horse. He went from a player character to now as a reoccurring NPC in my own games. Because of politics he is forced to act like a calm professional, But when he's free to be himself it's like Yosemite Sam dragon Ball Z fusion danced with the Tasmanian devil in a machine gun orchestra. chaos, fun, death & romance. Going from sexy irish cowboy, to being a global enforcer, with the most advanced modern equipment, executing targets for his Prince in Portland Oregon. ( which let's me add him into games no matter the setting). I keep a character sheet binder with his player kills. He is easily my most feared NPC but he is also the one my players enjoy interacting with the most because I can play with his Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde dynamic.
@@wiederganger1959 Yup. It's called "Joseph Haydn Piano Sonata #59". The part played here and in the movie starts at about the 12 minute mark in the song.
Interestingly, the Toreador are my very favorite clan! Perhaps because I was drawn to beauty even as a small child in real life! When I was three or four my grandmother who raised me, decided (it being the 1950's) that my room must be PINK and WHITE! So... she took my most beloved Victorian chest of drawers, made of beautiful burlwood, with inlay and finely grained wood *and painted it pink!!* I threw a tantrum, the violence of which terrified her! Scratching and clawing at the dresser I shrieked "Take it off! Take it OFFF!!" and would not be consoled! She had left the insides of the drawers unpainted, and in tears every morning thereafter, I would open the drawers and look at the unpainted parts. I fell into a depression that lasted until we moved (when I was six) and got rid of that now hated furniture! From that day until today, I adore wood and fine furniture and cordially loathe the color pink!
Im so glad Ash got the top spot. Shes fascinating. I know you dont like v5. But I love that she took over the succubus club rather then ascend to prince of New York.
About Mercy/Alessandra: It's a bit comical to hear about Santería, as it's not a thing in Brazil. Never was. Isn't that from Cuba? There is a similar religion, Candomblé, but they're still very, very different.
I only had a quick look into Coteries of New York to deem that I wanna play it myself. At least there I think Qadir was perfectly introduced and I got the feel of his inner twist without knowing him beforehand. Plus, with the gay Toreador - it seemed like there could be a romance between them or so some like me hope. Will see if that holds true. Excited anyways.
I've seen Coteries of New York, but haven't played it. I'm sure if a nice fledgling like your character offered to whisk him away from the brutal and spiritually-degrading office of Sheriff and restore his lost humanity with your love, he might be tempted. But Qadir's 'art' is his duty, and a Toreador would sooner face Final Death than deny what best expresses their soul.
@@lazarofstygia2241 that's true. especially than it could be an interest conflict inside him, and I love such things about VtM. (its only 'sad' thing that you only can play those 3 characters and clans, but looking forward to Shadows of NY and the interactive novels already you could say i am a fledgling of WoD i guess with only 2years)
Contrasts and conflicts make for memorable stories. Everybody was a fledgling at some point. As long as you realize that Tzimisce and Lasombra are the superior Clans, you'll do fine.
Which itself is still a better love story than the Darren Shan series. Sparkling vampires may be strange, but vampires who cannot use ranged weapons is just stupid. Essentially, to spite that series, all my builds in VtM:B and all my vampire builds in the Elder Scrolls series all use ranged weapons.
Victoria Ash yet lives! When the Schismatic Assamites brokered A merger with The Ashirra and The Camarilla, she and Tegyrius, the leader of the schismatic Assamites, Blood bonded themselves to one another in an event known as "The Vermillion Wedding." How Toreador is that?
A lot of the toreador on this list act more like other clans pacifically Ventrue and malkavian but when you live for hundreds of years madness is easy to come by and controlling others is in a vampires blood, pun not intended.
makes a lot of sense actually. it requires a touch of madness to make art. meanwhile art and politics are FAR more deeply intertwined with each other than most people would believe.
With a good set of lips toungue and hips, we can sway you into conversations you did not expect, sure we might fiddle alittle on your emotions but that is life sweety, if you are happy I will make you happier, if you are sad I will make you sad and twist it into my will....here have a hug do you feel better? Good you can trust me right? tell me what bothers you, I wont tell anyone....now what did your sire plan.....I see well here have a taste of my newest addition, her name is Nina and she is yours tonight, tomorrow we will talk more.
That is true. However, if we are strictly adhering to the rules of the Spanish language and just flexing, then the name of the clan should be 'Brujos', since a mixed sex group defaults to the masculine plural of a given noun.
You are correct about the Spanish pronunciation but it isn't spelled the same way...and the book's pronunciation guide offers the pronunciation that Lazar uses. Further complicating matters, official media uses both the Spanish pronunciation and the exotic one from the book. In my game, the Spanish pronunciation is common in California (Anarch Free State) and among Anarchs, with the exotic one from the book more common in Europe and among the Camarilla, but that's just a houserule.
No. I believe you are quite mistaken. They are obviously Scandinavian and the pronunciation is Broo-Yah. There. I have politely enlightened you. I humbly accept your adulation and gratitude.
After listening to the history of our so called "greatest," i can honestly say i have never felt more shame and disgust for my own clan. So petty. So shallow. So lacking in depth and character. Has there ever been so vain a claim that we alone are closest to humanity and yet to be so monstrously inhumane! I deny my own kind. I refuse to be naught but a grotesque parody of human nature. I will not a monster be!
I love it that many who set their sights on the Toreador believe that they are, with some justification, a bunch of efeminate pretty bubbleheads. And when the Toreador masterfully turn the tables on them, they find that it was their first and last mistake.
Anyone who can manipulate your emotions and read your mind should never be taken lightly.
@@lazarofstygia2241 Agreed. You don't need raw power when you can make people dance like puppets on strings.
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Which is why the Fallen are so terrifying.
They make the toreador look like amateurs.
Until they get stuck staring at a painting till they are more useless than they already were. Most vamps have access to dominate or presence. Toreadors' only clqim to fame is that they have both.
@@OccultEclipse my bad. I always get those two confused. They feel almost the same to me
Toreador is by FAR my favorite clan. I've almost never played any other. In fact, this video was just added to an ever-expanding Toreador playlist.
Really? May I ask why? I'm not saying you can't have your favorites its just that I, personally never had any love for the toreador and want to hear the reason for the love of them. I don't really hate them either, its just nothing about them really clicked with me. I'm the type of person who creates a bunch of character sheets and characters I'll probably never use because there's a bunch of concepts I want to try in the future. Of the main clans, the three that I never seemed to vibe with were, toreador, the followers of set, and the brujah.
This guy cant be serious. The clan is like the absence of a clan. As boring as brujah
@@JohnSmith-xm4dk I never really cared for the ventrue
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art can be anything
Beauty changes from decade to decade.
A young toreador may seem like a vain tween vampire.
But imagine If Mozart had never died. could you imagine the level of skill that they could have achieved?
Toreador offer the chance to really play with beauty standards, what does beauty mean when you have been alive for 500 years?
it provides interesting opertunities for conflict.
it allows you to play with perspectives that the other clans don't really adress as much. My Toreador characters are some of my most complex & powerful.
a Toreador irish gunslinger savant I originally started in a wild west setting, 6 years of campaigns later now has over 200 years of experience to add to the skill, is more deadly in a fight then the Punisher and flys a jet instead of riding a horse. He went from a player character to now as a reoccurring NPC in my own games. Because of politics he is forced to act like a calm professional, But when he's free to be himself it's like Yosemite Sam dragon Ball Z fusion danced with the Tasmanian devil in a machine gun orchestra. chaos, fun, death & romance.
Going from sexy irish cowboy, to being a global enforcer, with the most advanced modern equipment, executing targets for his Prince in Portland Oregon. ( which let's me add him into games no matter the setting).
I keep a character sheet binder with his player kills. He is easily my most feared NPC but he is also the one my players enjoy interacting with the most because I can play with his Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde dynamic.
@@JohnSmith-xm4dk
art can be anything
Beauty changes from decade to decade.
A young toreador may seem like a vain tween vampire.
But imagine If Mozart had never died. could you imagine the level of skill that they could have achieved?
Toreador offer the chance to really play with beauty standards, what does beauty mean when you have been alive for 500 years?
it provides interesting opertunities for conflict.
it allows you to play with perspectives that the other clans don't really adress as much. My Toreador characters are some of my most complex & powerful.
a Toreador irish gunslinger savant I originally started in a wild west setting, 6 years of campaigns later now has over 200 years of experience to add to the skill, is more deadly in a fight then the Punisher and flys a jet instead of riding a horse. He went from a player character to now as a reoccurring NPC in my own games. Because of politics he is forced to act like a calm professional, But when he's free to be himself it's like Yosemite Sam dragon Ball Z fusion danced with the Tasmanian devil in a machine gun orchestra. chaos, fun, death & romance.
Going from sexy irish cowboy, to being a global enforcer, with the most advanced modern equipment, executing targets for his Prince in Portland Oregon. ( which let's me add him into games no matter the setting).
I keep a character sheet binder with his player kills. He is easily my most feared NPC but he is also the one my players enjoy interacting with the most because I can play with his Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde dynamic.
41:43 "A certain humble cab driver" Oh....oh no....
Driving a hack is an honest living.
I like Madame Guil's story. Something about timeless love between monsters appeals to me.
"Listen, Louis...there's life in these old hands still."
Is that what that background music is?
@@wiederganger1959
Yup. It's called "Joseph Haydn Piano Sonata #59". The part played here and in the movie starts at about the 12 minute mark in the song.
Interestingly, the Toreador are my very favorite clan! Perhaps because I was drawn to beauty even as a small child in real life! When I was three or four my grandmother who raised me, decided (it being the 1950's) that my room must be PINK and WHITE! So... she took my most beloved Victorian chest of drawers, made of beautiful burlwood, with inlay and finely grained wood *and painted it pink!!* I threw a tantrum, the violence of which terrified her! Scratching and clawing at the dresser I shrieked "Take it off! Take it OFFF!!" and would not be consoled! She had left the insides of the drawers unpainted, and in tears every morning thereafter, I would open the drawers and look at the unpainted parts. I fell into a depression that lasted until we moved (when I was six) and got rid of that now hated furniture! From that day until today, I adore wood and fine furniture and cordially loathe the color pink!
I'd be mortified too
That's a supervillain origin story right there
Sounds like you needed a slap.
Im so glad Ash got the top spot. Shes fascinating. I know you dont like v5. But I love that she took over the succubus club rather then ascend to prince of New York.
34:11 love it when small problems solve themselves like that.
“But they are known for an astonishing level of vindictiveness and petty cruelty”. Hey, that sounds just like me :v)
Your euphemisms are impeccable, bravo
Pretty sure Lestat is based on the historical figure Count of St Germaine. Check him out. Interesting fellow would fit right into WOD
I like the sound of Micheal.
He tried to create Heaven on Earth. When that didn't work out, he decided he'd just go to Heaven.
@@lazarofstygia2241 bit sad in a way. Think the path of heaven is my favourite road though. Maybe you could do a video on the six roads?
About Mercy/Alessandra: It's a bit comical to hear about Santería, as it's not a thing in Brazil. Never was. Isn't that from Cuba? There is a similar religion, Candomblé, but they're still very, very different.
Yes, Santeria is primarily an Afro-Cuban syncretic religion. Chalk one up to artistic license.
Thank you for upload :)
You're welcome.
Ishtar, or are we not counting the Antediluvians?
Looked at some of the other lists, doesn’t seems so.
I only had a quick look into Coteries of New York to deem that I wanna play it myself. At least there I think Qadir was perfectly introduced and I got the feel of his inner twist without knowing him beforehand. Plus, with the gay Toreador - it seemed like there could be a romance between them or so some like me hope. Will see if that holds true. Excited anyways.
I've seen Coteries of New York, but haven't played it. I'm sure if a nice fledgling like your character offered to whisk him away from the brutal and spiritually-degrading office of Sheriff and restore his lost humanity with your love, he might be tempted.
But Qadir's 'art' is his duty, and a Toreador would sooner face Final Death than deny what best expresses their soul.
@@lazarofstygia2241 that's true. especially than it could be an interest conflict inside him, and I love such things about VtM.
(its only 'sad' thing that you only can play those 3 characters and clans, but looking forward to Shadows of NY and the interactive novels already
you could say i am a fledgling of WoD i guess with only 2years)
Contrasts and conflicts make for memorable stories.
Everybody was a fledgling at some point. As long as you realize that Tzimisce and Lasombra are the superior Clans, you'll do fine.
@@lazarofstygia2241 lol. Lasombra are nice indeed
Just fyi there Will be an continuation/stand alone expansion to Coteries of new york.
My favorite Clan.
Naturally. For when immortality becomes common, only perfection will suffice, and no one pulls it off quite like the Roses.
1:04:47 his ghoul-friend? *laughs in Crypt Keeper*
Who’s this cab driver mentioned?
Caine.
Caine. Calls himself kapenus. And masks his presence as a Greek vampire
@@jorenvanderark3567 THE Caine, Caine?! MASAKA
Still a better love story than Twilight.
Which itself is still a better love story than the Darren Shan series. Sparkling vampires may be strange, but vampires who cannot use ranged weapons is just stupid. Essentially, to spite that series, all my builds in VtM:B and all my vampire builds in the Elder Scrolls series all use ranged weapons.
When you get a comment like that, you know the movie industry failed hard. Though, I agree with you.
I was so sad when Victoria died.
Victoria Ash yet lives! When the Schismatic Assamites brokered A merger with The Ashirra and The Camarilla, she and Tegyrius, the leader of the schismatic Assamites, Blood bonded themselves to one another in an event known as "The Vermillion Wedding." How Toreador is that?
Path of Archangel
A lot of the toreador on this list act more like other clans pacifically Ventrue and malkavian but when you live for hundreds of years madness is easy to come by and controlling others is in a vampires blood, pun not intended.
There can be a certain artistry in taking what works from others and incorporating it into your own...whatever.
As they say, there's no finer arts than intrigue and deceit, and there's no such thing as an artist free from madness and woe.
makes a lot of sense actually. it requires a touch of madness to make art. meanwhile art and politics are FAR more deeply intertwined with each other than most people would believe.
Comment for the algorithm
Who wanna play pazak?
With a good set of lips toungue and hips, we can sway you into conversations you did not expect, sure we might fiddle alittle on your emotions but that is life sweety, if you are happy I will make you happier, if you are sad I will make you sad and twist it into my will....here have a hug do you feel better? Good you can trust me right? tell me what bothers you, I wont tell anyone....now what did your sire plan.....I see well here have a taste of my newest addition, her name is Nina and she is yours tonight, tomorrow we will talk more.
Pronunciation matters. "BROO-hah" because it's a Spanish word.
Seneschal is pronounced "SEN-eh-shawl."
That is true. However, if we are strictly adhering to the rules of the Spanish language and just flexing, then the name of the clan should be 'Brujos', since a mixed sex group defaults to the masculine plural of a given noun.
Oh, of course. Please block me.
You are correct about the Spanish pronunciation but it isn't spelled the same way...and the book's pronunciation guide offers the pronunciation that Lazar uses. Further complicating matters, official media uses both the Spanish pronunciation and the exotic one from the book. In my game, the Spanish pronunciation is common in California (Anarch Free State) and among Anarchs, with the exotic one from the book more common in Europe and among the Camarilla, but that's just a houserule.
No. I believe you are quite mistaken. They are obviously Scandinavian and the pronunciation is Broo-Yah. There. I have politely enlightened you. I humbly accept your adulation and gratitude.
After listening to the history of our so called "greatest," i can honestly say i have never felt more shame and disgust for my own clan. So petty. So shallow. So lacking in depth and character. Has there ever been so vain a claim that we alone are closest to humanity and yet to be so monstrously inhumane! I deny my own kind. I refuse to be naught but a grotesque parody of human nature. I will not a monster be!
Perhaps you shall find the beauty you seek in the morning sun 😏