I'm going to lob any corrections here if/ as they are pointed out to me, I'm only human and definitely maybe made some mistakes along the way. 15:22 - CORRECTION - Convoke debuted in Ravnica: City of Guilds 35:29 - ADDITION - Creatures with Shadow can also only block creatures with Shadow 1:12:52 - CORRECTION - When blocking, only one creature you block with is required to have Banding for you to get to decide how combat damage is assigned to your blocking creatures, and they don't actually have to band. 1:27:18 - CORRECTION - Destroy has always existed, Bury specifically meant Destroy AND cannot be regenerated. Similarly to Landhome, it was errata'd off all cards that featured it and updated to read as full rules text, see Wrath of God for an example.
@matthewlithgow8578 ward specifically will counter a spell or ability unless the cost is paid, if it cannot be countered, you get around ward. Hexproof, shroud and protection stops it from being a valid legal target.
Hence Ghostfire Slice in MH3! Good knowledge, it gets messy trying to reconcile every keyword's first mechanical appearance with its first keyword appearance!
@@ANGRYGREENMTGtrue. I only knew that fact because I read the design article for Battle for Zendikar when it came out, and Ghostfire was explicitly referenced as the inspiration for Devoid
35:29 also very much worth noting that creatures with shadow cannot *block* creatures without shadow either - they're unblockable (mostly) while attacking, but theyre also uhhhh... un-blocker-able (mostly) while defending 😅😅
I just wanted to say that i love your content and your videos are funny and relaxing. I turn them on split screen while i study and they help me focus on what needs to be done!
Fuck all the hyper negative content farm stuff, long form explanatory video essays are the real true future of MtG XD (but actually wow what a crazy amount of effort, well done)
That definitely does exist on one card! It kind of sucks that it isn't given to other slivers, but that would be broken as hell in its current form - maybe Sliver creatures have "when this creature enters amass slivers 1" wouldn't be too crazy?
As much as it feels that way, Ward appears on (whether that's through granting or a creature having it) 164 cards, whereas hexproof appears in one capacity or another on 250+!
@ruttokyrpa3472 Ah okay, think the difference is I'm including all references to hexproof/ ward, so will be including it being granted by other things! This was what I counted when researching so as not to have a disproportionate value when it came to creature-only abilities - also you need to discount anything that has ward as a word fragment in its name and mentions itself in rules text, take "Boromir, Warden of the Tower", or Boldwyr Intimidator, which mentions Cowards, for example!
@ANGRYGREENMTG noted on the pronouns, my apologies! As for the mutate commander, because it's the same object as you mentioned, no matter where it is in the mutate stack the creature is still your commander. I can't find it right now and am technically at work, so can't search heavily, but I believe I originally read this from a wizards employee on reddit. Their history seemed pretty official from what I remember. Essentially, they stated "commanderness" as existing as the game starts and your commander is declared. Since it can't be changed and is intrinsic of the card and because mutate keeps the properties of the original cards, but is legally the top card for name and type purposes (IE an artifact mutant with the artifact on top is an artifact, but with the artifact on the bottom it's not an artifact). This means if the token is on the top, it's a token. And your commander. and can deal commander amage.. Even though it will usually be a smaller creature because it again is legally the top creature, it retains its "commanderness" and means you can win the game through token commander damage
Riiiiiiiiiiiight, got you! This makes sense, so essentially if you have a non-human token creature and a Commander with mutate, you can mutate the Commander to the bottom of the stack, and still deal Commander damage! That is a hilarious technicality if I've ever seen one!
@@ANGRYGREENMTG Exactly! It's not great, but breaks the rules in a funky way. I've been experimenting with making it work with Brokkos, Apex of forever. Using either +1/1 counter tokens like army's or the phyrexian ones. Or using tribal synergies with tokens to bump the mutant up. Usually if I put Brokkos on top, I can easily get a 7/7 consistently with any army or with something like Bitterblossom and a lord. It pretty much becomes a consistent 5 mana to make a beefy trampling keyword soup commander that sometimes can win via a token dealing commander damage in the only legal way to do so currently. Which is the whole reason I started building that deck
Sometimes you've just gotta do it because you can! What about abilities like Gothmog, Morgul Lieutenant or Propagator Drone to give the token Deathtouch and Evolve?
I can't see what's wrong with the Dungeon and Initiative section. You found an error, admitted to it, and corrected it. Seems pretty professional and respectable to me, why should I leave an angry comment about it? Oh, right, engagement.
I can't wait to hear the video essay retrospective in 5 years on the analog horror video game that was created off inspiration from the MTG Keyword Iceberg where Mutate hunts the player for daring to condemn them to such dark depths. Take my subscription.
R&D's "The Thing", featuring Angry Green Jellybean I see you're in that small minority of players then 😅 if there's one benefit I now understand it better than before, but it had to be done! Thank you! 💚
Is there a way to get this in like an Excel sheet or any sort of that to reread it? im getting "back" into magic and especially commander and atm im the one in my friends group who has the most knowledge. by far i scratched that iceberg a little bit and we will do a lot of wrong decicions and do pretty much everything wrong. hey we want to have fun and learn ^^ but a list where we could read all that instead of asking chatgpt or watch a youtube video in our game would help out tremendous!
That's a great idea! Let me see what I can figure out and I'll let you know - I'm going to be adding a resources section to my new discord so if I do it'll end up there as well! Great to hear you're getting back into the game and have a group that are eager to learn, I think commander is always an approximation of the rules given how complex it can get 😅
Had to double check that but it doesn't seem to be keyworded, due to being reasonably common knowledge/ terminology across games - something like discard however is because its meaning can be and often is different from game to game!
I'm going to lob any corrections here if/ as they are pointed out to me, I'm only human and definitely maybe made some mistakes along the way.
15:22 - CORRECTION - Convoke debuted in Ravnica: City of Guilds
35:29 - ADDITION - Creatures with Shadow can also only block creatures with Shadow
1:12:52 - CORRECTION - When blocking, only one creature you block with is required to have Banding for you to get to decide how combat damage is assigned to your blocking creatures, and they don't actually have to band.
1:27:18 - CORRECTION - Destroy has always existed, Bury specifically meant Destroy AND cannot be regenerated. Similarly to Landhome, it was errata'd off all cards that featured it and updated to read as full rules text, see Wrath of God for an example.
Love the video! Can you share a link to the iceberg image?
@douglasoliver9913 thanks, of course! Added to the description ☺️
Convoke was originally printed in Ravnica: City of Guilds, and merely returned in Guilds of Ravnica
@@duane6386good spot, added and thank you!
Also cleave was in outlaws of thunder junction
Fun rules fact! If your spell or abilty can't be countered, then you can target creatures with ward without having to pay it's cost.
@@JayconianArts This is true and a big reason I'd like to see that line printed on more things!
TIL 😊
What about shroud, hexproof and protection?
@matthewlithgow8578 alas this doesn't stretch to those, as they simply don't allow the permanent to be targeted in the first place
@matthewlithgow8578 ward specifically will counter a spell or ability unless the cost is paid, if it cannot be countered, you get around ward. Hexproof, shroud and protection stops it from being a valid legal target.
This is a long video just describing kicker and horsemanship
@@Cecl1c this one gets it
21:16 point of order: Devoid was first printed on a card in Future Sight called Ghostfire, though it did not get keyworded until the duel decks.
Hence Ghostfire Slice in MH3! Good knowledge, it gets messy trying to reconcile every keyword's first mechanical appearance with its first keyword appearance!
@@ANGRYGREENMTGtrue. I only knew that fact because I read the design article for Battle for Zendikar when it came out, and Ghostfire was explicitly referenced as the inspiration for Devoid
35:29 also very much worth noting that creatures with shadow cannot *block* creatures without shadow either - they're unblockable (mostly) while attacking, but theyre also uhhhh... un-blocker-able (mostly) while defending 😅😅
Oh god yeah, that's right, good spot, have added to the pinned comment! Just have to be awkward don't they 😅
I learned everything I know about MTG from this video
No stack, only keywords
i'm so happy that this exists, the amount of time and energy it must have took to make this is astounding and impressive!! definitely subscribing.
Thanks so much! Happy to contribute in some way to the canon of ridiculous magic deep dives 😅
I just wanted to say that i love your content and your videos are funny and relaxing. I turn them on split screen while i study and they help me focus on what needs to be done!
Thank you so much, I'm glad to hear they help! 💚
Fuck all the hyper negative content farm stuff, long form explanatory video essays are the real true future of MtG XD (but actually wow what a crazy amount of effort, well done)
There's no room in my brain for negativity, it's reserved for KEYWORDS! Thank you!
Love how many people forget about amass slivers
That definitely does exist on one card! It kind of sucks that it isn't given to other slivers, but that would be broken as hell in its current form - maybe Sliver creatures have "when this creature enters amass slivers 1" wouldn't be too crazy?
settling in for a DEEP dive 🔥
Time to get WET
We already got significantly more ward cards than we EVER had hexproof
As much as it feels that way, Ward appears on (whether that's through granting or a creature having it) 164 cards, whereas hexproof appears in one capacity or another on 250+!
@@ANGRYGREENMTG huh? I'm checkin scryfall and "o:hexproof game:paper t:creature" vs o:ward game:paper t:creature" and I'm gettin 170 hexproof creatures vs 197 ward creatures
@ruttokyrpa3472 Ah okay, think the difference is I'm including all references to hexproof/ ward, so will be including it being granted by other things! This was what I counted when researching so as not to have a disproportionate value when it came to creature-only abilities - also you need to discount anything that has ward as a word fragment in its name and mentions itself in rules text, take "Boromir, Warden of the Tower", or Boldwyr Intimidator, which mentions Cowards, for example!
Very well put together video, high production quality too. Good stuff
Thanks so much!
This has to become a series. I want an episode on creature types, land types, artifact types, etc
Sounds like I have my work cut out for me 😅
This is a "digest over a few days" kinda video and I'm here for it
You can't rush learning!
Absolutely love this ❤
@@ttrizzyt thanks Tristan! And who knows? Maybe it'll be yours 👀
OOOOOOH a new long video to edit too :) thank you!
I got you 🫡
Thank you for this Mr Jellybean it was very informative and a little eye opening to the bloat in magic keywords.
Time for a creature type one?
Well, I wasn't thinking about that.
But now I am.
Dude, this video and your channel deserve like thousand x more wievs and subs
Appreciate it, thanks for doing your part!
51:45 Master Eon, is that you? Skylanders players understand.
Not intentional, but I'm not against it 😅
I need 500 of these posters to make wallpaper for my living room
Welcome... To the Iceberg Lounge
Bro rly thought we wouldn’t realize he forgot alliance
*they, and Alliance isn't keyworded, it's an ability word!
oh mb
No worries!
PLEASE MENTION MUTATE TOKENS BEING ABLE TO DEAL COMMANDER DAMAGE-... He didn't. Fuck 😞
Wait, explain that one to me?
Also they, please and thanks!
@ANGRYGREENMTG noted on the pronouns, my apologies!
As for the mutate commander, because it's the same object as you mentioned, no matter where it is in the mutate stack the creature is still your commander. I can't find it right now and am technically at work, so can't search heavily, but I believe I originally read this from a wizards employee on reddit. Their history seemed pretty official from what I remember. Essentially, they stated "commanderness" as existing as the game starts and your commander is declared. Since it can't be changed and is intrinsic of the card and because mutate keeps the properties of the original cards, but is legally the top card for name and type purposes (IE an artifact mutant with the artifact on top is an artifact, but with the artifact on the bottom it's not an artifact). This means if the token is on the top, it's a token. And your commander. and can deal commander amage.. Even though it will usually be a smaller creature because it again is legally the top creature, it retains its "commanderness" and means you can win the game through token commander damage
Riiiiiiiiiiiight, got you! This makes sense, so essentially if you have a non-human token creature and a Commander with mutate, you can mutate the Commander to the bottom of the stack, and still deal Commander damage!
That is a hilarious technicality if I've ever seen one!
@@ANGRYGREENMTG Exactly! It's not great, but breaks the rules in a funky way. I've been experimenting with making it work with Brokkos, Apex of forever. Using either +1/1 counter tokens like army's or the phyrexian ones. Or using tribal synergies with tokens to bump the mutant up. Usually if I put Brokkos on top, I can easily get a 7/7 consistently with any army or with something like Bitterblossom and a lord. It pretty much becomes a consistent 5 mana to make a beefy trampling keyword soup commander that sometimes can win via a token dealing commander damage in the only legal way to do so currently. Which is the whole reason I started building that deck
Sometimes you've just gotta do it because you can!
What about abilities like Gothmog, Morgul Lieutenant or Propagator Drone to give the token Deathtouch and Evolve?
I am offended for my son mutate for being this deep under the iceberg
Everyone showing up to defend Mutate in the comments is great!
It also gives me the strongest "f you my child is completely fine" energy 😅
1:11:44 I'm so ready
HOORAY FOR BANDING
I can't see what's wrong with the Dungeon and Initiative section.
You found an error, admitted to it, and corrected it.
Seems pretty professional and respectable to me, why should I leave an angry comment about it?
Oh, right, engagement.
I appreciate you playing the game comrade!
@ANGRYGREENMTG At least I left a positive comment. 😅
And for that I thank you!
I can't wait to hear the video essay retrospective in 5 years on the analog horror video game that was created off inspiration from the MTG Keyword Iceberg where Mutate hunts the player for daring to condemn them to such dark depths.
Take my subscription.
R&D's "The Thing", featuring Angry Green Jellybean
I see you're in that small minority of players then 😅 if there's one benefit I now understand it better than before, but it had to be done!
Thank you! 💚
If you think I'm in an opinionated minority regarding mechanics you should ask me what I think of infect and toxic 😊@@ANGRYGREENMTG
@ThePhiRexian I have to respect it, can't exactly take the high ground after spending a whole video promoting stax 😂
Is there a way to get this in like an Excel sheet or any sort of that to reread it? im getting "back" into magic and especially commander and atm im the one in my friends group who has the most knowledge. by far i scratched that iceberg a little bit and we will do a lot of wrong decicions and do pretty much everything wrong. hey we want to have fun and learn ^^ but a list where we could read all that instead of asking chatgpt or watch a youtube video in our game would help out tremendous!
That's a great idea! Let me see what I can figure out and I'll let you know - I'm going to be adding a resources section to my new discord so if I do it'll end up there as well!
Great to hear you're getting back into the game and have a group that are eager to learn, I think commander is always an approximation of the rules given how complex it can get 😅
Is Drawing a card not considered a keyword, or was it forgotten?
Had to double check that but it doesn't seem to be keyworded, due to being reasonably common knowledge/ terminology across games - something like discard however is because its meaning can be and often is different from game to game!
What is the liquid though? I can’t read the joke on a phone
The label has been edited to read [PRODUCT NAME] - it is actually a Lipton Peach Iced Tea cos it slaps
I'm designing my own TCG game. I think I'll stay here for a while. Grab a sub! ;)
Ooh, exciting! Thanks very much 💚
A Whole Wall Poster for Keywords?! YES PLEASE!!
It could be YOURS
in that minority that likes mutate
hehhehehehh
I'd heard people like you existed but I thought it was just a myth!
Auspicious Starrix -> Mutate on top -> Scute Swarm -> Shenanigans ensue.
@@xenodeath7065 very very gross