Is Wrecking Ball A THROW PICK In Lower Ranks? | Overwatch 2 Spectating
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Some People just don't know how to play with or against a ball. I have a friend who is a ball otp, and there are countless times where supports go WAY out of position to heal them when its not needed and die.
Both my healer friends do this even after telling them i can get the healing packs and will come to them for healing
Oh trust me the enemy team always knows how to deal with ball. Sombra afk and you can no longer play the game
when you don't have a ball otp and instead get the make-a-wish random ball, we get flamed for not getting out of position to heal them
Probably cuz there’s tons of balls complaining about heals. I tell em go get health packs or come back to me. I’m not dying for u… I play in plat tho so idk what it’s like higher
@@KaiDub24 it doesn’t change in diamond, all that changes is the sombras get better and it’s all pain from there, skill issue I guess 😅
Yooo this is meeee, thanks for reviewing mi vod :))) I watched it live and learned a lot
You’re good enough to climb, but you should pile drive more
Do you watch chazim or yeatle?
I learnt heaps by watching chazim vids.
The main things I picked up were better ways to use balls abilities and cleaner ways to engage / position
You seem to have the basics sorted, but there is a lot of small adjustments you could incorporate that would immediately get you gold
A couple small tips.
I know its easy to forget, but use the retract grapple ability wayyy more, use it to go into a slam and you will get a second grapple straight away.
9:15 is the perfect example, shoot the moira then immediately grapple the roof, retract, slam, roll out.
On that second map you can constantly retract grapple the middle tower and go into a slam, easy ult charge and get a second grapple back straight away
5:21 Wait 1 sec to regen health, pull yourself up over the fence and go into a slam, no one is expecting you to come over the fence (though you did do a good grapple after this)
5:28 Your basically at full HP, go up the staircase instead of rolling to the back of the map, you just rolled through three enemies so you know your team is temporarily fine, from the staircase your going to create and off angle and you can slam off the high ground.
On that second map, most of your engagements were coming from head on, hard to isolate one person, easy to get CC'd
Very good mechanics
You're a pretty good hampter. My only recommendations is to pile drive more and sometimes realize you need to change gears.
Pile driving groups of enemies generates your ult crazy fast so those times you roll through everyone, if you can turn it into a pile drive too then it benefits you greatly. That does mean no escape, but adaptive shield keeps you alive until grapple comes back so you only engage for 5 seconds.
As with second point, if you don't have any value on point you could obviously swap, OR you can change gears. Be a menace in the back line or a gnat. They all swapped to counter ball so obviously they don't like you but they weren't hunting you. If everyone is constantly turning for an unkillable ball then you still get value, especially when otherwise you're just in their faces tickling them. Basically, if you realize you don't have point presence then just turn into tracer and piss them off. Only works if you're actually lethal, so on off days probably swap instead of changing gears, but the skill is there to obliterate backlines.
You're already feeding way less than most at your rank, which is always the hardest skill to learn. As several folks have mentioned, you need to be slamming way more - easiest addition to your current approach. You worked very 2-dimensionally - Ball, however, has insane vertical movement possibilities.
One of the keys to approaching any hero is figuring out "What does this hero do that most heroes don't?" because those are the keys to value. The fact that a good Ball can come at you from basically anywhere on the map - including crashing out of the skybox like a meteor - is what makes him annoying af to play against, which in turn means it's what you should be doing when playing him.
Grapple just a bit higher and you set yourself up to follow your boop with a slam. Rolling through = 60hp, Swinging through then slamming (what Yeatle calls the Scoop & Poop) = 160. That's the difference between an easy heal for their supports and an easy kill for your teammates.
As a ball main, the reason hes not good in lower ranks is because you usually want your teammates to help follow up on slams and boops. But in these lobbies noone knows how to play with/against ball. So unless your hard carrying and able to get kills on your own consistently, youre gonna struggle ALOT.
Imagine being a ball main.. how embarrassing
@@TheGreatPewpyOne ur complaining about one of the only fair tanks bro
@@zerovking7629 sigma, rein, winston?
@@TheGreatPewpyOne ong but what do you play tho
@@jakube1066mauga / orisa 😂
Straight up, the problem with ball in lower ranks is that nobody on your team will know how to play with Ball at a lower level. At low ranks, they want a big meat wall to stop bullets, not a meatball bouncing off walls 🤣
BUT, 70% of the time, at lower ranks ball/doom aren't as good as they think
Only facts were spoken today
It's more that people don't realise when ball gives them a opportunity and forces cooldowns for them to do something and that most lower rank ball players go flank in narnia to then do 1 piledrive and then go away/not follow up on the piledrive.
Or they just roll through people and think that's how the make space.
People in lower ranks don't know well enough how to create opportunities or see when they have the opportunity to isolate a target as ball (or winston for that matter often aswell) or follow up on that isolated target as a dps.
@@Siks7Ate9 you two just said the same thing ultimately
@@damuzx8590 yes, however I went a little more in depth as to why xD
If teamates don't capitalize then I kinda just become a looming presence in the back line. Literally just annoy the piss out of the enemy
Ball main here. I feel like one of the biggest things I'd point out that I haven't heard yet here is they want to hold their hooks a lot longer. They release hook almost every time after they get one boop. Your boop should be a huge part of your damage as your guns suck so bad, so hanging onto hooks and looking for extra value is key. Also look for longer hooks. A lot of their roll-through's could've been way better and gotten more swings if they'd just grappled higher or further forward
I'll take that into consideration, thank you for the insight!
Balls guns dont suck tho, they just require good tracking and the ability to hit headshots
From what I've observed the main problem with Wrecking Ball is not the person playing Ball, but the rest of their team. The Ball will be in there causing so much confusion and taking all the attention from the other team, but then Ball's teammates just sit way to far back and don't capitalize on all the distraction being caused by the Ball. At least at the lower ranks. It's like the team doesn't know how to adjust to having a Tank that's not right in front of them mitigating damage with a shield walking in a straight line.
**Edit: after making this comment I am seeing that almost all the comments are saying the same thing.
No, the amount of straight line fighting in low elo is ridiculous. It really is this
Yeah, like at the start of second point ball was alone on it for eternity and the team was sitting away from the point. A lot of people just sit in the choke doing nothing. "Tank is supposed to make space" and they do and dps is just :/ A lot of supports just afks at the point and not even try to heal me when I push a little andor try to hold at a choke instead of a point with 50 flanks
@@Lilian040210I know the moment you are talking about because I noticed it too and that's what prompted me to make a response about it. It was obvious right then the team just had no idea what to do even though ball was in there creating a lot of space for them. They just didn't see/recognize it.
Playing ball is good in lower ranks bc enemy players don’t know how to play against him but it’s bad at low ranks because your teammates don’t know how to play with ball.
How do u play against ball
i feel like the second point struggle was about they dont quite know the map hooks. it seems like every one of my games where i'm playing on a new map. this is a hero that is not enough knows how to play him, you need to know to play the map. thats one of the reasons i love play it. Their uptime was really good, almost never out of combat to wait their health get to max, always using the shield as a preemptive to damage and not as a reaction to taking damage. Explore the map and you will have less and less problems climbing through of metal ranks. when you reach plat or higher, things change a bit, but thats a talk to another day. A quick tip, i didnt see on the video, mine then piledrive, it gives your mines time to set up and get someone on their way down.
I'd go a step further to say it's not just the map knowledge - he played very 2 dimensional with his hooks. Always at ground level, never getting the elevation he needed for slams. Just in the first fight alone he missed like 4-5 multi-enemy slam opportunities.
To put it in Yeatle terminology, he needs to be doing the Scoop & Poop and all he's doing is a Boop. The damage from the slam is 2x that of the Boop and the difference between 50 hp on a roll through and 150 for a S&P is the difference between feeding their support ults and giving your teammates multiple targets at 40% health to finish off (i.e., the difference between being effective and not).
No, but usually they don't know how to play with him
Neither do u
@@tennosake320 ok bro
neither do the person who submited this
2:20 NOT THAT ENEMY TEAM COMP 😭😭😭 hacked out of grapple. virused. javelined. spun into a wall. hindered. slept out of piledrive. antid
it was horrid I can tell you that much
If you get fireball on wrecking ball and jump while you have it, you keep your speed for much longer than if you just roll.
I would advise this ball to experiment with more vertical and pull grapples. Seems like a lot of the grapples they do are horizontal floor grapples, and they dont use slam anywhere near as much as they could. Lots of lost pressure and missing out on damage
Remember, if you grapple up, use the jump button and dont swing, you can slam without putting your grapple on cooldown
not nearly enough piledrives!
I admit this game was very piledrive lacking, but I do use it much more often in other maps, Samoa is one of those that I'm still simply not used to. I'll pay more attention to it in the future, thanks!
Hammond isn't a throw pick but sometimes he can be. If the enemy zar is walking over your teammates with full charge while you can't get value against the rest of their comp/team, I think it's time to swap.
Having a main is cool and all but one tricking makes your teammates suffer sometimes.
Pretty good Ball. Need to use your grapple retraction a bit more though it can lead to more frequent damage from pile drives such as pn the second point where high ground is harder to roll off of. Word of advice though: if the whole enemy team is still alive do not shoot the fortified Orisa! Surprisingly though they started almost a whole team comp of your counters which you had almost no issue with. Good job. As a Ball main myself you will climb just recognize which targets are more important in particular fights
Tysm! I'll take it into account, it's just sometimes hard to not focus the tank since it's the biggest target. Also tell me if I'm wrong but sometimes I just go for damage on the tank when I see no immediate targets just to build some ult charge in the meantime, should I avoid it?
@@funkierblum no if you believe the ult charge is necessary then it should be fine but just make sure you aren't focused too hard on it. Don't want to let their team get any picks on yours. At lower ranks the dps really like to shoot the tank too lol
To me, if there’s a good ball or doom in lower ranks, they can take over from a QP perspective at least.
Oh yeah quickplay Ball rocks
ult -> piledrive often results in more value than piledrive -> ult. makes it harder for people to get out of the bombs safely
This is way better than silver ball. And As he climbs he’ll get more players who know how to play with ball.
is the "better than silver" ball in room with us?
@@jakube1066 He ain’t GM. Probably not even plat yet. But have you seen silver tank play? Those kids just crab walk into Orisa and die off cooldown.
@@jakube1066 hello
Played quick play wrecking ball and 8 out 9 games, they swapped to orisa,bastion, and sombra.
While it’s annoying remember sometimes people had a rough day at work or whatever and don’t want to deal with a dive hero up their ass the whole game in quickplay
womp womp
I really need a shoot bubble tutorial
The problem with Wrecking Ball is that most Ball player just suck hardcore, and do nothing, often they also don't go for healthpacks and expect heals from their support across the map. This Hammond player is decent which is a rare occasion. That's just how it is.
Often it's also a lack of understanding with teammates who have literally no clue how ball actually plays. I have had a game where I'm literally solo killing a window and a ana in their spawn on junkertown for 2 minutes straight while on attack and my teammates say gg ball is throwing. There was only 1 zarya, mercy and a cassidy left to kill as 4 teammates. Like what? How can you say your ball is throwing when you are losing a 4 v 3 against a zarya cassidy mercy while you are playing 2 hitscans, a baptiste and a mercy for 2 minutes.
I'll take the compliment hahaha, still trying to improve
@funkierblum honestly you played well. I definitely expect you to get out of silver and into like high gold and possibly above that if you keep improving. Also, it helps that the higher you go, the more understanding or better follow up you will get from teammates.
The one thing I would add onto what emongg said is that if there is for example a rein running towards your teammates, don't boop the rein into your team, boop him away from your team or slam him when he disengages. The same goes for when a zarya is running it down mid, force her bubbles , and slam them on the disengage. It wasn't really relevant in this game, but it's something to keep in mind;).
I also really liked how active you played. There was basically no downtime, which is really good If there is downtime, you can always, and I think you were doing that set up a next engagement/flank. Obviously that's a bit harder to do on this gamemode compared to lets say push for example or escort.
I haven't played in a few months a so I'm not quite sure how good plat for example is since I played in high plat/low diamond. But if the playerbase has stayed the same I think low plat is definitely achievable with some improvements on engages for example and some timing. Obviously like I said it gets easier the better you get and at some point it will just click. I don't know if you ever play winston but winston really helped me in understanding engagement timings.
@@Siks7Ate9 thank you so much for the insights! I have already followed a bunch of the advice that has been given to me and I notice my games getting easier
@funkierblum great to hear! Also no problem at all! Hope it helps:) If you have any questions or something feel free to ask
One of the biggest issues i see that their making is they uses their over health to engage when their full health. Over heslth should be reserved for your "get out of jail free card" or to assist teammates who are half helth or lower. Other things like grapples, movement, multi boop techs etc will come with time. Also kinda a side note because it seems a lot of lower rank ball players dont relize it but when you're in the air after a grapple you can shoot. So ideally grapple in booping them, retract and aim to go airborne, look down shoot enemy a little, pile drive and clean up kill after landing. Or if chashing a mercy, phara etc. In the air grapple and aim to go airborne and shoot at them while in the air to pressure them.
Personally, watching Yeatles unranked to GM for Wrecking Ball for a few hours helped me get better
I used to be annoyed when we’d get a Ball on the team but for the most part they usually play pretty well.
Also with the recent changes I feel like it's sometimes good to press space while using the grapple to gain extra speed and almost instant piledrive, it can also be used to slowly go up and use the piledrive at any point, though in my opinion the ability to give your shield to your allies should only be used when you're 100% safe, otherwise it's just not worth it at all. Ulting in the air to spread the mines and to combo it with a piledrive in also better in most cases
The reason ball is so hard to play down in metal is because a large portion of people don’t know his play style is a dive tank that is away from the team and on the enemy’s ass so they shouldn’t be constantly pumping heals but instead using his existence as an opportunity to eliminate squishies. As well as the fact a lot of them just play Junkrat and spam from who knows where
as a ball player the issue alot of the time is that others are clueless how to play with a ball as their tank. the ball can be playing perfect and still get flamed cause others are just projecting and cant accept the fact its their fault
the problem is usually that dps dont take advantage of space you make, or support feel the need to unnecessarily go out of position to heal you and end up dying cause of it. one time i literally watched an ana walk out in front of a widow for no reason to heal me as i went for a mega, then proceeded to scream at me in team chat for getting them killed. bad players too often have the biggest egos, and dont understand the game enough to comprehend that theyre the issue, so they just lash out and ball is always an easy target lol
you're letting some bounce opportunities go to waste, you don't need to let go the second you get fireball, you just need to learn the distance grapple shrinks to, and then you can do multiple fireballs, especially in tight spaces. oh, and grapple upwards a lot more, if you retract while doing that you can fly across the map and if you don't, you can fireball through them, get airtime where you have a lot of control and then piledrive.
Ball and DF highlight why OW tank sucks. Your team expects you to sit there in the open, dueling the enemy tank and peeling for your backline; when your job is to annoy and harass their backline, in order to make space and pick opportunities for your team. This applies to practically every tank, especially in OW2. Some brawl tanks can trade with the frontline, but its best to end the squishies, then focus the tank, in a team fight.
I commented this already at a different comment but i altered it a little so it also applies here:
Often it's also a lack of understanding with teammates who have literally no clue how ball actually plays. Other times your teammates simply just suck lol.
I have had a game where I'm literally solo killing a window and a ana in their spawn on junkertown for 2 minutes straight while on attack and my teammates say gg ball is throwing. There was only 1 zarya, mercy and a cassidy left to kill as 4 teammates. Like what?
How can you say your ball is throwing when you are losing a 4 v 3 against a zarya cassidy mercy while you are playing 2 hitscans, a baptiste and a mercy for 2 minutes. You have a bap window and a mercy dmg boost aswell as a soldier and a cassidy and cannot kill a mercy?
Decent ball play. I can see the climb. One minor thing to improve on is passing shield to teammates. If your adaptive shield is about to expire, in most cases there is zero reason to NOT shield your team. If you're low, that's different.
Since it's still a somewhat recent change for ball (i just came back to playing a month ago) I forget it even exists, thank you for pointing it out tho
Many people are saying that people in lower ranks don't know how to play with ball but it's also that people simply don't wanna play in the playstyle that you need to play with a ball. Same with doomfist. Any other tank and you can play however you like I feel like in lower ranks but those two? Your whole team has to play around that/adapt to it and that's not happening in lower ranks.
this is absolutely a gold-plat ball if they just stay confident and choose their engagements a little better; go hard on anybody out of position, and get out for three seconds if you heck up your grapple to let it reset. if sombra ISN'T hard-focusing you, you're not being aggressive enough lol
Out of curiosity before I get farther into the video, why is Orisa coming back meta wise? I don’t play tank a ton anymore, mostly dps and support, but not much has changed the last couple updates for Orisa to start becoming meta again from what I see. They nerfed dva a bit earlier this season, but I still see a ton of dva and feel like it is a struggle to kill her. I just don’t see how Orisa is coming back and was looking for others input!
Im thinking its due to her microbuffs she's been getting these past few seasons. Basically theyve been slowly giving her small buffs and she's starting to get into a good spot again. Especially if dva's getting nerfs next season I think Orisa could easily be meta next season!
Microbuffs into microbuffs and other tanks getting weaker maker her the strongest stable option again. Also her ability to just spear someone and kill them aswell.
Like you could say rein would be fairly decent on certain maps or winston, yet orisa can just run you over on rein if your team comp ain't perfect or you lose someone, winston will need a entire dive comp and will have to sacrifice their ana for example to be effective. Which won't happen in any rank except maybe high diamond and above and even then the safer option would be to just play orisa.
Good video! I would consider that to improve as ball in lower ranks you can take advantage of killing de back line with some slams and focusing the supports and then go tank your team, that will make the other team constantly snow ball and help you climb through lower ranks.
I ain't an overwatch pro but all ik is that the hamster kinda REQUIRES the same thing DVa requires which is SOLID SUPPORT and good teamwork. Like yeah all tanks sorta need that but they need it THE MOST.
I've seen wrecking balls ABSOLUTELY WRECK EVERYTHING for me and my team just by existing but I've seen them do the same to their own team too because they play like they don't need support or to support their team and play like they have ULTIMATE survivability when they don't🤷🏽.
I hate a good ball and people hate a bad one more. I had a game where a doomfist had a similar problem as a bad ball of just running into the enemies and getting shredded because they have no support and they're not supporting their team and he was complaining the whole time cuz I just actively refused to heal him. He was talking shit and playing terrible and had bad positions and he didn't even wanna help me escape a bad situation as the bubble witch by putting a bubble on me so I could better escape and help out. He would also run in without his team CONSTANTLY but instead kept blaming me for everything. Even another teammate joined in on bagging on me 💀 but the other support wasn't doing much(and left pretty quickly), DPS wasn't getting hella kills or even doing HELPFUL damage and then THE TANK WAS TRASH.
Anyway the very next game he was an enemy tank and I did massive damage, good heals, and did decent support ON A SWITCH cuz I was tired and in my room and he was still making the same mistakes 🤷🏽. But that's why those characters get a bad rep in the first place cuz people do STUPID THINGS AND RAGE
They played better than a lot of diamond tanks in my games lol
yeah, no, not rly
I am ONCE again here to state NO ONE hoped for an Orisa Meta
Yes yes yes and yes….i lose about 80 percent of games in lower ranks when the tank is ball
Yes. 1 out of 10 players can play with Ball, everyone can play with most other tanks (not you Doom)
He should practice using the walls to piledrive the enemy team. It won't take very long to get used to since he is a ball main. It will help him climb further with that basic tech alone. It's the only obvious thing he isn't doing.
I picked up ball recently and played ranked with him and got told that "ball really isn't made for 5v5" and my usual duo i play with was like ball isn't good and i had to out right tell him that he aint amazing when the team aint doing anything to confirm the things i do and now im blocked by them moral of the story is ball is good its just people might be a little slow when it comes to playing with ball
I have this exact problem as a ball main, but, with my irl friends. Where they will get unnecessarily hostile when i choose ball bc of the fact they don't know how to play with me, even after explaining to them how to lol
damn, when i play with my irl friends the objective is getting drunk and having a good time. what is wrong with your friends?
@@lummus3646 well he chose ball, thats their problem with him
@lummus3646 lol I tried telling them it's QP and it's not that serious but idk man they're all really competitive and stubborn people so the only way the enjoy the game is if their winning.
@Shaqsquatch it's not like I do horrible, it's one thing if I sell constantly and I make horrible plays after plays, but most of the time I get the most kills/dmg with the least amount of deaths but their need to be right conquers all logical thinking
@@WaxwingSlain stats are cool, but it's a team game. That's like Russel Westbrook talking about all the shots he took and made when the team loses. No one cares. Win the game brotha. My friends and I are competitive game we want to win............ If we aren't being being competitive we'll play a non team based game. With that being said, We've all played sports, so we have a different understanding of what being on a team means, respectfully.
Wrecking ball isn't bad he's just hard to play at high level
Ball and Doom just feed with little value in the lower ranks. I wish those tanks were locked until diamond
ALRIGHT SO!
TODAYS VIDEO
also i think this guy can try to have more intelligent grapples so they can hold onto it more. more boops per cooldown = more damage
Reaper on my team thought i was throwing when i swapped last minute ro Ball but hed the inly tank i know how to counter lucio with cuz boop pile driver juggles the lucio so he's air borne not touching anything for 2 seconds and i finish him off. Plus i finally got good at sharing adaptive shield with my team i saved my reaper from a widow head shot during his ult cuz i overfilled his health so him surviving the rest of his ult let him wipe the team off payload and i just body blocked hello 👋🏼 spammed the widow
Honestly, they don’t seem like a silver player. Not quite plat, but not silver
WHY NO PILEDRIVE
The problem with ball is while they are rolling around doing their thing, the enemy orisa with a mercy pocket is just rolling the team
Exactly.. ball IS a throw pick because you're playing away from your team and leaving them to fend for themselves 70% of the game. Imagine playing a tank.. that doesn't tank? It's genuinely crazy that most of these NPCs defending ball can't grasp such a simple concept.
@@TheGreatPewpyOne there's more to tanking than being a frontline lmao. backline pressure from ball can create a ton of space that in essence is "tanking." this concept has been known since OW1. but keep telling us about how other people can't grasp a simple concept
@mayitakeyourhatsir8632 "this concept has been known since OW1" is an odd thing to say when the OW1 meta ended with pirate ships and even when dispruptive off-tanks were meta there was two tanks
@@polygondwanaland8390 ow1 meta ended in dive but ok
@@TheGreatPewpyOne ball created space by demanding attention and cooldowns from the enemy team. He just created space different from the other tanks.
rather not have 6v6 back or ball gonna be broken op again
Yes ball is a throw pick because nobody understands how to play WITH A BALL. Im sure some players are goated but the supps will overdo it
Yo i submitted a ball Samoa game last week, crazy
feel like emongg didnt give any real good advice to the ball player. like the main thing he needs to work on is his grapple mechanics. aim higher so he can roll on them and pile driver combo. also they need to increase their sensitivity a little . their aim looked really stiff
yeah need to play way more, theyre shit rn
I'll try the higher sens, I have noticed I get stiff a lot
Ball, Doom, and Mercy are certified losses at any rank les s than diamond
I belive i hv a juicy VOD but i cant submit it on the discord, it was a lost game on kings row where i had 41 kills n the 2nd to most dmg while the enemy hd top 25kills.
Any help on how to submit it while the discord says "u do bot hv permiision"
Yay I'm here early!
Ball requires a team comp that not only synergizes but understand how to play without a tank 70% of the game, ball isnt that good.. but it doesnt help when teammates cant sustain themselves. Also playing ball in a dive heavy season is kind of an uphill battle when you leave your supports to fend for themselves.
ALRIGHT SO!