You guys are 100% correct, it's a Spitfire. The source I found about the squadron history wasn't accurate. They did fly the Spitfire after the Hurricane, so it does make sense. When translated, the link in the description even mentions that the Spitfire will be part of the event. "The event will include a reading of the Order of the Day, an echo display, a static display, a formation flight of the Squadron's F-16M aircraft with the Spitfire, unveiling of a monument to fallen Airmen and the awarding of anniversary gifts." As for why they took the video down, I have no idea. It was originally posted to the website in the description, but is now gone.
On the profiles on your video, Hurricane/Spitfire, the spitfire has a nice “bubble” canopy compared with the Hurricane. The spitfire’s tail wheel is angled backwards (streamlined). Also on the video of the spitfire, notice it’s clipped wingtips a feature found on some Spitfires, but never on the Hurricane. Thanks for the video, fly safe!!! Semper Fi!
My oldest brother is a plane geek and says its most likely a Mk V Spitfire. Without knowing context he said that a lot of Mk V Spitfires from North Africa and the Meditaranian had their wings clipped. This made them more maneuverable and gave them a bit more speed. There is a lot of Spitfire info at Wikipedia under the "Mk V (Types 331, 349 and 352)" with pictures.
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This is a teaser video for the 80 years of the 336 squadron, first created in North Afrika during February 1943 and manned by escapees airmen after the Nazi conquest of Greece in 1941. The squadron operated in North Afrika, Kreta, Dodecanese Islands, Italy, Albania and Jugoslavia during the II ww operating Huricanes and from 1944 operating with Spitfires (which also played significant role during the Greek civil war against the communists). The propeller aircraft is a recently restored Spitfire mk Vc. The squadron from 1949 was flying Helldivers and from 1954 F-84s Gs and Fs. From 1965 they were flying F-104Gs and from 1995 to 2007 they were flying A-7s. Their current plane since 2015 is the F-16 52+ ADV. Having spent many summers in the Artemision area of North Evoia Island I still remember with amazement the squadron's striking "trainning" flying just above the waves with the Starfighters or the A7s. Now with the F16s you see them only at very high altitude, day or night, one plane ahead and two more following a couple of miles behind. This squadron is placed in center Greece and covers the Center Agean sea and Skyros Island. It is a very historic squadron with a lot of experience in striking and pursuit missions, taking also part in trainning missions outside Greece. I think In this video they included only trainning futage and not actual dogfighting with turkish planes. In the near future probably they will train regularly with US marines since the area has been offered as a training ground of the Marines.
Sometimes referred to as Clipped, cropped and clapped back in the day.. Clipped wings, cropped supercharger impeller, and usually were older battle worn Spitfires, so clapped (out)
That wold be my guess. Probably LF Mk. IX, or Mk.V C (a pair of 20 mm canons is clearly visible, although I am, not sure they made Mk.Vs with clipped wings).
I have not seen a official notice but wanted to notify every one that Brian Schul passed away last week. He flew the SR-71 and wrote the book, Sled Pilot, he was 71,RIP!
When I was stationed in Crete, our barracks were about 1/8th mile away from a HAF runway. They had QRF fighters launching constantly whenever a Turkish fighter would play chicken with their airspace. I hated being a day sleeper! 😫
greeks are the real chickens,,,, you are not men enouvgh but talks more than others,,,,we are in cyprus where are you?? sleeping in creete? goood night sirtaki good night
@@Orvieta the larger sharper rudder was a late upgrade to some MkIXc spits, some got them straight from the factory, the majority came with the pictured rudder and some had it replaced near the end or after the war. Depends on what period they wanted to represent I would guess.
Nice brakedown! I wanted to mention that this was a Spit MkIXc, but it has been already mentioned. Very good catch on all of the details. 336 Sq. flies F-16C/D Blk52+ Adv. and they are soon to be upgraded to F-16V Blk72.
@@seaside2348 well, *almost" ordered. LoR has been sent. Also, F-35A is to replace F-4E AUP in HAF service. The F-16 will remain in service for years to come.
Yeah, that's a Spitfire. I agree that it _should_ be a Hurricane given the squadron's lineage, the problem is there just aren't very many airworthy Hurricanes left in the world - and none of them live in Greece, whereas the HAF _does_ have a flyable Spitfire on inventory. More critically, the tailwheel and wingtips (at least!) are clearly not Hurricane parts (though the shot in the HAF video is taken from a pretty terrible angle for recognition purposes).
Dear Mover. The basement of this video is to honor the 336 sqn "foxes" for their 80 years of service. Foxes are from their task when they got to hunt erwin rommel, known as the "desert fox" in the egyptian desert in 1944. Almost all "combat" footage are training duties inbetween them but tbh i think of thatone too that shows the turkish f-16 aswell. The wwii plane is indeed a spitfire with the code MJ755 wich was 2-3 years ago restored to fly again (unfortunately cant put a clear pic here). Its not usual for the HAF to put intercepts for public show. Thats raither the "neighbour`s job" but im sure you know that. Thank you for your commentary. Dont forget: yours and all the wings that pilots wear, are symbolizing the icarus wings. Icarus and hes father Daedalus tried to escape from the Minoan`s palace in crete.
Yea bro they weren’t in Africa in 1944 depending on the date they’re in Italy or preparing for d day. the latest they were there was in Africa was 1943
Folks, Greece and Turkey have been conducting test-training dog fight flights in the Aegean Sea for a long time, sometimes the Turks and sometimes the Greeks are in the offensive, most of those planes are from their National Nato air base units. just don't take it too seriously.
@@neraidozouzouno5919A thousand times? Do not be funny. You have unreasonably increased your airspace over the Aegean islands to 10 miles and Turkey does not recognize this decision. In fact, no country in the world recognizes it. The reason is that your sea area is 6 miles and your airspace is 10 miles, which is unreasonable. Classic greek bullshit. Every time Turkish jets enter 10 miles, you complain that the Turks are violating our airspace. However, when we passed only 6 miles, there must have been a violation.
Turkish air force ‘s Main job is air to ground attacks. These dog fights are just a training for rookie pilots or/and exercise for veterans to keep them in shape. The job is destroy bunkers and mostly what these pilots do is put a guided missile into a cave which has 1 sq meter wide enterance. They are doing it nonstop for over 25 years. Nowadays drones are taking part of the Air to ground missions. Probably we are going to see AI based fighter drones over the aegean see near future. Than it make more and more expensive Hellenic af interception missions.
@@aslamstudio558you are not able to fight the almost unarmed Kurds and you will attack to Greece 😅😅😅 ....boy relax and drink Erdogans tea of joy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi Mover, hope you're doing well. A little bit of a correction, the dorsal spine on the D model isn't a conformal fuel tank. It contains no fuel at all and is used purely for electronics/avionics. The two CFTs that block 40/42+,50/52+,52M,60,70/72 can be eqquiped with go symmetrically next to it, right at the root of the wings. I think you may also have mentioned viper spines being used as fuel tanks in your "Spectre Rising" (which is a masterpiece BTW, just finished the series and gonna start the Alex Shepherd series), but although a possible modification concept, no viper block yet produced can carry fuel in the spine. Obviously in the Spectre universe the block 70 may be different than irl, which I think is very creative and allows more freedom when writing. All the best👍
Looks like a clipped wing Spitfire, judging by the dual radiators, the oil cooler below the engine, semi-bubble canopy and the squared off wing tips. Which specific one is it, I can't tell.
Spit Mk.IX (9) Low.Fighter Clipped wing XD : It's the same one they have in DCS Short nose,4 blades, 2 cooling scoop & the fix drag wheel. Hurricane have the center scoop,3 blade & look boxy
You are a fantastic writer C. W! This book is do complex, multiple storylines interfacing seamlessly and lots of tension, psychological drama, inside info. It's heartbreakung in some ways. Poignant. You are a very authentic writer, your personal voice comes through very clearly! If my eyes hadn't buggered up I am sure I would have sat up all night resting it in one sitting!
You should take a look at the 1981 Attack on H3 airbase: One of the absolute most interesting, mind blowing, and succesful airstrikes in aviation history.
Dear C.W. Lemoine I enjoy watching your videos from Turkey. There are many languages in UA-cam automatic subtitle translation languages, but unfortunately there is no Turkish subtitle option among these languages.
Good day, it's a Spitfire..this particular plane was in Athens museum from 70s as a remain from late 40s to 50s ...this plane was total restored in England and delivered in fly condition last year and fly in ceremonial occasions and once a week for training..is based in Athens Tatoi airfield where the HAF museum exist..
@2:18 its a Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB/VC Role: Fighter Dimensions: Wingspan 11.23 m, Length 9.12 m, Height 3.86 m Engine: 1 x Rolls-Royce Merlin 45 (1515 hp) Armament: 2 x 20mm Hispano MK II machine guns, 4 x 0.303in Browning Mk II machine guns, 500 lb of bomb payload Crew: 1 Number in service: 107 Country of production: Great Britain Years in service: 1943 - 1953 Greece received the first Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB/VC from the British in the MIddle East at the end of 1943. Initially they equipped the 336 Interceptor Squadron and afterwards the 335 Interceptor Squadron. After extensive military action over North Africa and Jugoslavia, the Greek Spitfires returned to Greece in October 1944. After they took part to the early battles of the Civil War, they were replaced in combat duties by new versions and, from 1947, they were used for training in combat tactics in the Air Force Flight School.
A Lockheed Martin team is currently in Greece installing the block 70/72 software. Also some of their F16s carry a rare twin JSOW rake I can't wait for these pictures and videos to emerge 🍿
While Turkey already integrated own indigenous mission computer to f-16's and using own targeting kit (HGK)which make all mk82-mk83-mk84 traditional bombs as glide bombs Greece still rely on buying weapons)))
@@darkprofile Buying staff that works actually , it seems that most staff Turkey produced dont work , like theyre Ballistic missiles , theres no evidence of what they announce like all other Countrys do
@@mortyn.8581 Turkish defenxe products are battle proven in Syria, Libya and Armenia. So what you claim is childish. Turkish army is Nato army and evetything works well in Nato standarts. Turkey had been manufacturing and maintaining f16’s since 1980’s. Ans Turkey is second most capable countr about f16’s after USA
Greeks and Turks pilots are not going to do damage to each other. Just to show off and take some valuable lessons. However we did had some accidents in both sides, because that goes for decades now, and it was sad for both of us. One thing is politics but we do respect each other and especially our fighters.
It almost became a national sport since we didn’t have enough soccer tournaments to shout at each other 😅 But I must admit, it’s great for pilots to train this way, in the end both are nato pilots hehe
It's a Spitfire...Spitfires had one-piece domed canopy as did the plane in the video, whereas the Hurricane has a canopy with dividers to support the panes...
Hi friend, just a small correction. The F-16N paint scheme isn't the exact same as the HAF vipers. It is unique and although quite similar to the "Aegean Ghost" scheme, each paintjob differs in pattern and color variation (look at the blue tones of Navy Vipers and the brown tones on Greek ones). Additionally, HAF F-16s have different coatings per block. 30s and 50s have just FS paint similar to the F-16N one, which over time creates a white weathering effect. The 52+ have a HG (Have Glass, it's essentially metal grains embedded in the coating along with glass grains to reduce RCS) coating that becomes nearly black as time goes on and finally the 52M HG coating pretty much maintains its colors with nearly zero weathering, at lest compared to other HAF variants. Cheers!
@@Weaver1-1 ; According to an LM source FS36307, FS36251, FS35237 are used in the base "Aegean Ghost" scheme. Which is the same as F-16N's "Ghost" scheme with FS36307, FS36251, FS35237 was. (Others were "Powder Puff" with FS35450, FS35622 and "Sukoi 2 tone" with FS35109, FS35237, FS36495) Hence my comment. Thanks for the info about HG paints though.
@@FirstDagger Thanks for the reply man. Apparently, USN "ghost" scheme uses the colors you mentioned and Block 30 F-16s in HAF service initially also used the same colors, but with slightly different patterns and the leading edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers are different from what I can tell. Also HAF Vipers use FS36320, which I'm not sure F-16Ns ever used.
@@Weaver1-1 ; Do you mean for the nose cone? Because that really isn't FS36320 but a rubber coating with similar color to FS36320. Given that F-16N are F-16C Block 30 they will most likely have used the same coating. Though apparently more modern HAF Vipers have a more blue base color for the nose cone, though the rubber coating on all Vipers gets dirty and is covered to almost dark grey, which can be cleaned to the base color again.
Love it Man , I've not been watching you for a while , I read majority of your books , loved the hellIicopter o stuffs , loved the "other two" mates you have dearly as I like you. Just my life got in the way , I did however appreciate the clear and concise you bring to this , I'm a bit lost with some of the terms but understand its got to be succinct so I need to learn. Well done and thanks for bringing me in again! YOU ARE GREAT!
Im pretty sure all dogfights on this video are with the Turkish airforce. You have to realize that, until recently, until the earthquake in Turkey, the Turks violated the Greek airspace 20-30 and up to 150 times a day. Interceptions and dogifhgts are on HAF's daily menu, like this is what they do every single day for decades.
The Greek definition of airspace is quite unique in the world: Greek islands have 6 miles sea area but 10 miles air space. Its kind of growing upwards and of course Turkiye doesn’t accept that so that “so called air violations" happen all the time :)
@@sevketyuyucu8594 This as much as unique as it seems it is completely *100% legal* and Turkey *officially accepted it, indeed approved it for more than 80 years.* Turkey cant withdraw from these anymore; countries have continuity and cant withdraw from what they approved for almost *80 straight years.* Simple as that...
@@sevketyuyucu8594 It is also clear that *today* the Greek islands may have 6nm of teritorial waters and 10nm of airspace, *but* UNCLOS (the United Nations Convantion on the Law of the Seas) determine that all countries on this Planet have the *unilateral right* to expand their territorial waters (and airspace) to 12nm. In other words, Greece has *less* NM of territorial waters than it supposed to have, and this only because of the *casus belli* Turkey holds against her, if Greece expand her territorial waters, *within her own sovereignity!* Greece is the only country on this Planet that is being *threatened with war* if she implements the International Law, a Law which Turkey itself already implements. This situation cant continue and it wont continue. You should expect that this to change very soon.
I know everyone's already identified the Spitfire, but I wanted to comment from a non-expert point of view. I compared the sample image of the two aircraft with the one in the video and found some subtle but distinct differences that led me to believe it was the plane on the right (which turns out was the spitfire). 1. The shape of the top of the engine bay is curved downward on the hurricane but straight out from the cockpit glass on the spitfire (the same as the video). 2. There is a kink on the bottom of the tail section of the fuselage on the hurricane and again straight on the spitfire (the same as the video, but less apparent due to view angle). 3. The cockpit seems distinctly like the one of the right (spitfire again) - I can't explain - just looks like it. 4. And finally, the nail in the coffin is the tail wheel assembly. The left pic has a stubby scaffolding look to it while the right has a single strut protruding at an angle (the same as the video). So in summary, I figured it was the right-hand plane, but since your video didn't identify which plane was which I still had no clue until I read the comments. Good stuff!
I fly a Rutan LongEZ, currently in the ThunderChicken paint scheme. A civilian, poor man's F-16 with a canard and the engine on the ass. a Bubble canopy cockpit, side stick control, left throttle, reclined seat, phenomenal views. Not for aerobatics or crazy maneuvers though, those don't excite me anymore, I just like to go places and have views. It's Affordable to fly at 6 gph. 140 knot cruise. 52 galls on gas if full tanks. Zip around the country. My plan is to attend as many flyins shows in 2024 as possible after my cockpit Garmin avionics upgrade is complete this fall. Mover, You should get one.
@11:50 DCS uses an F-16C bl.50 CCIP , that's what the turkish air force uses in some of their squadrons. HAF 336 in the video is an F-16C bl.52+ Advanced. I think they are in a similar level but the Greek one is more advanced, as you can see in the video it also has a digital map on the right MFD like the Hornet has, CCIP doesn't have a digital map.
The first major or obvious difference between the Hurricane and the Spit is the shape of the wings. The Hurricane has more or less, "squared" tipped wings, and the Spit has Eliptical (i.e., rounded) shaped wings on it. Also, the fuselage and canopy on the Spit is lower and more aerodynamic than the Hurricane's.
@@jupiterbirlesikgezegenleri9884 Why all the countries in NATO have this background?LOL The scores and the exams prove that they are the best, That's why USA trained with Greece, The best in the world training the best in the world. 💪🇬🇷❤🇺🇲
@jupiterbirlesikgezegenleri9884 well...Greeks are not cowards like you to play the 'maccho' man in countries that don't have air defense.Playing from safety doesn't make you experiend, makes you opportunists to steal from others...something that you turks are famous for... Now boo hoo away.
It's a Spitfire. There is a news story about a Spitfire that flew from England to Athens after being restored. Originally 77 Spitfires were presented to the Royal Hellenic Air Force in 1947. This could be the restored aircraft ?
"Greek pilots are frequently voted by their NATO counterparts as being the best in the world. It is recalled that Squadron Leader Anastasios Andronikakis was named NATO's best pilot in 2021. The 'best warrior', Andronikakis, is the one who NATO fighters would like to have by their side in a situation where necessary."
The easiest way to tell the Hurricane from the Spitfire is the canopy. The Spit has a sort of bubble canopy and the Hurricane has lots of little glass panels.
the other big teller is the trailing edge wing root, the spit's one curves far more distinctly than the hurricane does, because the spit wing is thinner and its curve into the fuselage is more prominent
i dont know if there was Hurricanes with CW Cutted Wings, but for me its a beauty of a Spitfire. More straight lines than a Hurrican with its more bulky lines
I purchased the first one for myself at Christmas and was well into it and then I developed of all ironic things. Some confounding eye problems ! For about two months I really couldn't read!! I live to read!!! But now am getting better and back into SPECTRE RISING, no spoilers I'm at the part where Soectre is taking heroic action!
Maybe he used to be defensive all the time so he got an excuse. ua-cam.com/video/GG0vv3BqU8A/v-deo.html Back in Oct 22, a selfish pilot almost crashed his plane because he didn't accept that he lost the fight. He landed at Dalaman airport eventually. Bad fuel management.
First HUD footage: -The number? -(Radar) For the next(?) 040 (?) The second fight BRA 07029, pair (2). Second HUD - Informing the Radar - The (?) 2 F-16s are Armed. (the Turkish) Last HUD footage - I'm with the 1 (meaning the Turkish formation leader).
Yes this is restored spitfire it was fore many many years as a static display in our war musium. I do have pictures from the cockpit of the spitfire mark iX
The problem with these dogfights in the Aegean is that turkish pilots often panic and do something completely unacceptable. They release counter meter flaires who are designed to disorientate IR missiles and given the small distance they can be absorbed by greek f16 turbines or break the cockpit glass.... Most of turkish pilots are inexperienced and young, since Erdogan put older pilots out of the air force, being afraid that they want to kill him, during and after the unsuccessful coup against him ...
@@gonenbaser5013 my friend I am telling the truth. The problem is what piece of truth you get in a country where your half mad narcissistic sultan controlles totally education and media you get to know ....
@@odysseasntalias5950henever I come across a Greek, he often claims the same kind of bla bla. You suppose democracy is something else that only exists in Greece in the world. We already had elections and the man you served as a Sultan won by the votes of our people. You accept Turkiye as what your media serves so you had better not insist on the idea of "we know your country better than you". Turkish army is one of the most operational proofed armies on NATO since it's foundation and got duties on almost all parts of the world. It's such a silly comment to claim Turkish pilots are inexperienced 😂 First of all being old is not a suitable option to control a fightet jet. Second a preperation of a pilot takes at least 5-6 years for operational duties so the guys you see in cocpits are not teenagers, all right? And last, as you know, you'll see dozens of Turkish jets without a cockpit or pilot on Aegean sea very soon 😜
@@mustafaesmer3450 I am sure that we will see planes with no pilots in the cockpit . Your new strategy is to do war with unmanned drones and tanks and syrian "volunteers" who die for you for a thousand dollars a month.... By the way your army had a lot of problems in kurdistan and Syria and in Libya your army units three years after still do not know what hit them ..... But still you believe what they show you. Weren't you ever suspicious that they don't tell you everything???
Hi very nice video the plane is a spitfire its a historical plane who belonged to the greek air force during ww2 it was restored in Great Britain and is used for ceremonial purposes
Def a Spitfire. I used to build lot of models. You said you remember your first love, Spitfire with clipped wings was my first model i made. This is Spitfire with clipped wings.
Its a spitfire mark IX which we have it since after ww2, it took part in civil war 1947 -49 and it been restored to flyworthy condition in the last 5 years. Its the only one of its type in flyworthy condition in the word. It flys on our parades and in special events, such as when the Rafales came to their new nests.
6:51 This plane is a spitfire I know it because I’ve seen it in person and you can also search it if you want:) Also if you want to see more dogfights you can search molon lave f-16. Which is a UA-cam channel of a haf pilot.
Great breakdown as always love your videos, but that is a Spitfire look closely. You can see it’s got a little tiny bubble type canopy the hurricane never had that 150% a Spitfire
Thanks Mover. Love the content. Would you consider reviewing some of Growling Sidewinders fights? As someone with limited understanding of the tactics, he seems like a hell of a pilot but i would love to know what you think.
Turkey and Greece disagree about where their sea and air borders are and add the fact that Aegean is a very small sea, (mock) dogfights, while officially discouraged, occur frequently and pilots use them to improve their reputation over other pilots. (Disclosure: I'm from Turkey).
Great video. What’s the more dangerous comment minefield: Turkish v. Greek or Indian vs Pakistani conflicts? Either side of either conflict will tell you with 100% certainty that they have dominated the other in the skies while being equally loathe to acknowledge any defeat. So…gutsy move man
@@CWLemoineI can’t find any India versus Pakistan videos on your playlist. Any date I can search on? And yes turn off comments for those two. They can’t even agree on the color of sand….
The Turkey vs. Greece "conflict" is certainly the weirder one of these two (btw. all conflicts between countries seem weird to me), since they are both NATO members and therefore supposed to be allies. I wonder what the other NATO countries would do if a real armed conflict broke out between Turkey and Greece
@@Yankee7000 I knew a guy who said his dad served in the PAF as a fighter pilot and retired as a "Wing Commander" (similar to USAF Colonel). He claimed his dad flew multiple different aircraft and was trained to use multiple weapon systems. He also claimed that PAF pilots only train on live aircraft and don't use simulators. I have some doubts about the simulator thing, but what do I know? I know Pak people like to exaggerate things LOL.
@@adnaansheikh1 look up Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail, all your questions including the quantum leap the induction of the F-16 caused in PAF’s standards. That a typical PAF pilot could have flown the F 86, the MiG 19 (F-6 in Shenyang parlance) the Chinese A-5, the MiG 21 (F-7P in Chinese parlance), Mirages of various types including the 2000, the F-16 of various blocks and MLUs, and goodness knows what else in deputations to the various Middle Eastern air forces including in the 1970s the Turkish with their F -5s, is quite possible. Badge of honor for a lot of those pilots, the variety they flew…. Not to mention the F104, although they probably weren’t around long enough to fly the 80’s onwards, if not earlier…. I am dead certain they they live trained on F 86s. MiGs probably dual seaters.
Hey, very nice breakdown and very nice work from the 336M. I just wanted to say, the Hellenic Airforce unlisted/took down the original upload a few hours ago, they haven't disclosed why yet.
@@CWLemoine Indeed, the first thing I thought of was that they possibly realized something classified/sensitive could be seen in the video. I think it could have been the VHF frequencies, they are visible in some parts of the cockpit footage, but the letters are too tiny to read. But yeah, they certainly have a reason to take it down themselves. I can let you know if they disclose it. Also, I know that similar things have happened in the past with HAF, there were some HUD videos where frequencies (I think) were visible, not sure if they took those down but many people were saying that stuff shouldn't be public. I know for a fact though, that these HUD videos have been reuploaded by users and are still around. Maybe there's something sensitive shown during the hangar footage that we haven't noticed, I honestly don't know.
@@CWLemoine Well, they still haven't disclosed anything. No announcement, no repost, nothing. The video is still gone from every place where it was uploaded originally. At this point I really don't think they're going to say anything about it, but the video is still gone. I just wanted to update you.
You guys are 100% correct, it's a Spitfire. The source I found about the squadron history wasn't accurate. They did fly the Spitfire after the Hurricane, so it does make sense. When translated, the link in the description even mentions that the Spitfire will be part of the event. "The event will include a reading of the Order of the Day, an echo display, a static display, a formation flight of the Squadron's F-16M aircraft with the Spitfire, unveiling of a monument to fallen Airmen and the awarding of anniversary gifts."
As for why they took the video down, I have no idea. It was originally posted to the website in the description, but is now gone.
The video is private now. ua-cam.com/video/Ff3_bhVz9Ls/v-deo.html
On the profiles on your video, Hurricane/Spitfire, the spitfire has a nice “bubble” canopy compared with the Hurricane. The spitfire’s tail wheel is angled backwards (streamlined). Also on the video of the spitfire, notice it’s clipped wingtips a feature found on some Spitfires, but never on the Hurricane. Thanks for the video, fly safe!!! Semper Fi!
My oldest brother is a plane geek and says its most likely a Mk V Spitfire. Without knowing context he said that a lot of Mk V Spitfires from North Africa and the Meditaranian had their wings clipped. This made them more maneuverable and gave them a bit more speed. There is a lot of Spitfire info at Wikipedia under the "Mk V (Types 331, 349 and 352)" with pictures.
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@@darchojandreoski Was ist bei dir den Kaput ??
This is a teaser video for the 80 years of the 336 squadron, first created in North Afrika during February 1943 and manned by escapees airmen after the Nazi conquest of Greece in 1941. The squadron operated in North Afrika, Kreta, Dodecanese Islands, Italy, Albania and Jugoslavia during the II ww operating Huricanes and from 1944 operating with Spitfires (which also played significant role during the Greek civil war against the communists). The propeller aircraft is a recently restored Spitfire mk Vc. The squadron from 1949 was flying Helldivers and from 1954 F-84s Gs and Fs. From 1965 they were flying F-104Gs and from 1995 to 2007 they were flying A-7s. Their current plane since 2015 is the F-16 52+ ADV. Having spent many summers in the Artemision area of North Evoia Island I still remember with amazement the squadron's striking "trainning" flying just above the waves with the Starfighters or the A7s. Now with the F16s you see them only at very high altitude, day or night, one plane ahead and two more following a couple of miles behind. This squadron is placed in center Greece and covers the Center Agean sea and Skyros Island. It is a very historic squadron with a lot of experience in striking and pursuit missions, taking also part in trainning missions outside Greece. I think In this video they included only trainning futage and not actual dogfighting with turkish planes. In the near future probably they will train regularly with US marines since the area has been offered as a training ground of the Marines.
It’s a spitfire designed to work better at low altitude, with clipped wings to increase roll rate. (At the expense of high altitude cruise efficiency)
Sometimes referred to as Clipped, cropped and clapped back in the day.. Clipped wings, cropped supercharger impeller, and usually were older battle worn Spitfires, so clapped (out)
That wold be my guess. Probably LF Mk. IX, or Mk.V C (a pair of 20 mm canons is clearly visible, although I am, not sure they made Mk.Vs with clipped wings).
Agreed. I think it's a 20mm armed clipped-wing Mk. IX.
Spitfire it is! Love those war machines. I wish I could by it one day
Wanted to comment on that but then I thought it was uploaded 2 hours ago. Bet there's like 50 comments on this.
I have not seen a official notice but wanted to notify every one that Brian Schul passed away last week. He flew the SR-71 and wrote the book, Sled Pilot, he was 71,RIP!
AskedSled driver but alright
He flew the sr71 but died at 71?
I believe he died in May.
@@That1-Phantom-PilotWhy is that surprising?
@@rogerkober9836 Sr- 71 and died at age 71
When I was stationed in Crete, our barracks were about 1/8th mile away from a HAF runway. They had QRF fighters launching constantly whenever a Turkish fighter would play chicken with their airspace. I hated being a day sleeper! 😫
greeks are the real chickens,,,, you are not men enouvgh but talks more than others,,,,we are in cyprus where are you?? sleeping in creete? goood night sirtaki good night
We don’t play chicken, we play Greeks
@@mehmetkale1226 Your pilots are incompetent lol
@@mehmetkale1226
Turkoids don't send fighters anymore, did you run out of spare parts?
MkIXc Spitfire, MJ755, clipped wing. Restoration by Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar, UK for the Hellenic airforce
Ahhhh Clipped wing. That’s why I found it quite confusing
The rear looks more MkV than MkIX though.
@@Orvieta the larger sharper rudder was a late upgrade to some MkIXc spits, some got them straight from the factory, the majority came with the pictured rudder and some had it replaced near the end or after the war. Depends on what period they wanted to represent I would guess.
@@falken_gt4 I always read that all MkIX had that pointy rudder, guess not, ty.
@@Orvieta No probs, I only know as I am modelling MJ627 which I had a flight in and wanted to know which rudder it would have had in 1944! :)
Nice brakedown! I wanted to mention that this was a Spit MkIXc, but it has been already mentioned. Very good catch on all of the details. 336 Sq. flies F-16C/D Blk52+ Adv. and they are soon to be upgraded to F-16V Blk72.
Nice recognition! The clipped wingtips lead me to believe that it's a IXe, IIRC that one had those clipped wingtips.
F-35 in order
@@seaside2348 well, *almost" ordered. LoR has been sent. Also, F-35A is to replace F-4E AUP in HAF service. The F-16 will remain in service for years to come.
Can’t wait to see some HAF Rafale videos
Thanks for doing this, Mover! It's great to see you doing breakdowns again. Much love.
Btw the ww2 plane is a Greek veteran Spitfire airplane that was restored
It is a Spitfire LF Mk Vb/Vc (with clipped wings) of the Royal Hellenic Air Force, 336 OLYMPOS SQ. The aircraft served the RHAF from 1943-1953.
Yeah, that's a Spitfire. I agree that it _should_ be a Hurricane given the squadron's lineage, the problem is there just aren't very many airworthy Hurricanes left in the world - and none of them live in Greece, whereas the HAF _does_ have a flyable Spitfire on inventory. More critically, the tailwheel and wingtips (at least!) are clearly not Hurricane parts (though the shot in the HAF video is taken from a pretty terrible angle for recognition purposes).
Informative and instructional - good commentary.
Thanks.
Appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience with us!
Dear Mover. The basement of this video is to honor the 336 sqn "foxes" for their 80 years of service. Foxes are from their task when they got to hunt erwin rommel, known as the "desert fox" in the egyptian desert in 1944. Almost all "combat" footage are training duties inbetween them but tbh i think of thatone too that shows the turkish f-16 aswell. The wwii plane is indeed a spitfire with the code MJ755 wich was 2-3 years ago restored to fly again (unfortunately cant put a clear pic here). Its not usual for the HAF to put intercepts for public show. Thats raither the "neighbour`s job" but im sure you know that. Thank you for your commentary. Dont forget: yours and all the wings that pilots wear, are symbolizing the icarus wings. Icarus and hes father Daedalus tried to escape from the Minoan`s palace in crete.
336 Sqn "Olympos". Foxes is 340 Sqn Based in Souda, Crete
Yea bro they weren’t in Africa in 1944 depending on the date they’re in Italy or preparing for d day. the latest they were there was in Africa was 1943
"It's like sitting in a lounge chair, killing your enemies." That quote just made my day. :)
Love and support for Greece from India ❤
It`s a Spitfire. Flies regularly in events and ceremonies in Greece
Folks, Greece and Turkey have been conducting test-training dog fight flights in the Aegean Sea for a long time, sometimes the Turks and sometimes the Greeks are in the offensive, most of those planes are from their National Nato air base units. just don't take it too seriously.
The most accurate comment.
They also violate our airspace a thousand time every year. So it's not difficult to make a video like this.
@@neraidozouzouno5919A thousand times? Do not be funny. You have unreasonably increased your airspace over the Aegean islands to 10 miles and Turkey does not recognize this decision. In fact, no country in the world recognizes it. The reason is that your sea area is 6 miles and your airspace is 10 miles, which is unreasonable. Classic greek bullshit. Every time Turkish jets enter 10 miles, you complain that the Turks are violating our airspace. However, when we passed only 6 miles, there must have been a violation.
thats no truth!!
its real dogfight and not test-training
Informative and entertaining as always.
Nice analysis. Just finished book 3 of Spectre. Nice job! 👍🏼
Very interesting video Mover, thank you!
That canopy what a view.
The view from the cockpit is fantastic, so to speak.
Turkish air force ‘s Main job is air to ground attacks. These dog fights are just a training for rookie pilots or/and exercise for veterans to keep them in shape. The job is destroy bunkers and mostly what these pilots do is put a guided missile into a cave which has 1 sq meter wide enterance. They are doing it nonstop for over 25 years. Nowadays drones are taking part of the Air to ground missions. Probably we are going to see AI based fighter drones over the aegean see near future. Than it make more and more expensive Hellenic af interception missions.
Greece has a very capable and growing Air Force Despite our size. 🗿💪🏻
And budget...
Prepare for the Turkish nationals to come
@@aslamstudio558 prepare for what mf? We are ready to defend our land
@@aslamstudio558 turkish chicken
@@aslamstudio558you are not able to fight the almost unarmed Kurds and you will attack to Greece 😅😅😅 ....boy relax and drink Erdogans tea of joy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi Mover, hope you're doing well. A little bit of a correction, the dorsal spine on the D model isn't a conformal fuel tank. It contains no fuel at all and is used purely for electronics/avionics. The two CFTs that block 40/42+,50/52+,52M,60,70/72 can be eqquiped with go symmetrically next to it, right at the root of the wings. I think you may also have mentioned viper spines being used as fuel tanks in your "Spectre Rising" (which is a masterpiece BTW, just finished the series and gonna start the Alex Shepherd series), but although a possible modification concept, no viper block yet produced can carry fuel in the spine. Obviously in the Spectre universe the block 70 may be different than irl, which I think is very creative and allows more freedom when writing. All the best👍
That was a Spitfire for sure. Longer and slimmer than the Hurricane. More elegant. 😊
Looks like a clipped wing Spitfire, judging by the dual radiators, the oil cooler below the engine, semi-bubble canopy and the squared off wing tips. Which specific one is it, I can't tell.
Mk IX CW
It's fascinating hearing a pro talk about the SA the HUD symbology is giving, and doing a proper AAR. Good shit. V/R, a grunt.
Spit Mk.IX (9) Low.Fighter Clipped wing XD : It's the same one they have in DCS
Short nose,4 blades, 2 cooling scoop & the fix drag wheel.
Hurricane have the center scoop,3 blade & look boxy
The larger tail and forward cockpit identifies it as a Spitfire 👍
Thanks for posting this! I'd be happy listening to you talk hud footage at me all day. Check 6!
Cheers mate, brief and concise, like always.
It's always appreciated in this era of bloat!
You are a fantastic writer C. W! This book is do complex, multiple storylines interfacing seamlessly and lots of tension, psychological drama, inside info. It's heartbreakung in some ways. Poignant. You are a very authentic writer, your personal voice comes through very clearly! If my eyes hadn't buggered up I am sure I would have sat up all night resting it in one sitting!
You should take a look at the 1981 Attack on H3 airbase: One of the absolute most interesting, mind blowing, and succesful airstrikes in aviation history.
Dear C.W. Lemoine I enjoy watching your videos from Turkey. There are many languages in UA-cam automatic subtitle translation languages, but unfortunately there is no Turkish subtitle option among these languages.
Good day, it's a Spitfire..this particular plane was in Athens museum from 70s as a remain from late 40s to 50s ...this plane was total restored in England and delivered in fly condition last year and fly in ceremonial occasions and once a week for training..is based in Athens Tatoi airfield where the HAF museum exist..
@2:18 its a Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB/VC
Role: Fighter
Dimensions: Wingspan 11.23 m, Length 9.12 m, Height 3.86 m
Engine: 1 x Rolls-Royce Merlin 45 (1515 hp)
Armament: 2 x 20mm Hispano MK II machine guns, 4 x 0.303in Browning Mk II machine guns, 500 lb of bomb payload
Crew: 1
Number in service: 107
Country of production: Great Britain
Years in service: 1943 - 1953
Greece received the first Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB/VC from the British in the MIddle East at the end of 1943. Initially they equipped the 336 Interceptor Squadron and afterwards the 335 Interceptor Squadron. After extensive military action over North Africa and Jugoslavia, the Greek Spitfires returned to Greece in October 1944. After they took part to the early battles of the Civil War, they were replaced in combat duties by new versions and, from 1947, they were used for training in combat tactics in the Air Force Flight School.
A Lockheed Martin team is currently in Greece installing the block 70/72 software.
Also some of their F16s carry a rare twin JSOW rake
I can't wait for these pictures and videos to emerge 🍿
While Turkey already integrated own indigenous mission computer to f-16's and using own targeting kit (HGK)which make all mk82-mk83-mk84 traditional bombs as glide bombs Greece still rely on buying weapons)))
@@darkprofile Buying staff that works actually , it seems that most staff Turkey produced dont work , like theyre Ballistic missiles , theres no evidence of what they announce like all other Countrys do
@@mortyn.8581 Turkish defenxe products are battle proven in Syria, Libya and Armenia. So what you claim is childish. Turkish army is Nato army and evetything works well in Nato standarts. Turkey had been manufacturing and maintaining f16’s since 1980’s. Ans Turkey is second most capable countr about f16’s after USA
Greeks and Turks pilots are not going to do damage to each other. Just to show off and take some valuable lessons. However we did had some accidents in both sides, because that goes for decades now, and it was sad for both of us. One thing is politics but we do respect each other and especially our fighters.
It almost became a national sport since we didn’t have enough soccer tournaments to shout at each other 😅
But I must admit, it’s great for pilots to train this way, in the end both are nato pilots hehe
It's a Spitfire alright. The Greeks had both Spits and Hurricanes, but the Hurricane had a different canopy design and an overall bulkier silhouette.
The later Spitfires had “clipped” (squared off) wing tips as it was later found this improved manoeuvrability.
***and I'm a writer so mind you I almost never compliment another writer!
It's a Spitfire...Spitfires had one-piece domed canopy as did the plane in the video, whereas the Hurricane has a canopy with dividers to support the panes...
One fun thing about the HAF's paintjob is that it is the same that was used by the US Navy Top Gun Aggressor F-16N Block 30 Vipers.
Hi friend, just a small correction. The F-16N paint scheme isn't the exact same as the HAF vipers. It is unique and although quite similar to the "Aegean Ghost" scheme, each paintjob differs in pattern and color variation (look at the blue tones of Navy Vipers and the brown tones on Greek ones). Additionally, HAF F-16s have different coatings per block. 30s and 50s have just FS paint similar to the F-16N one, which over time creates a white weathering effect. The 52+ have a HG (Have Glass, it's essentially metal grains embedded in the coating along with glass grains to reduce RCS) coating that becomes nearly black as time goes on and finally the 52M HG coating pretty much maintains its colors with nearly zero weathering, at lest compared to other HAF variants. Cheers!
@@Weaver1-1 ; According to an LM source FS36307, FS36251, FS35237 are used in the base "Aegean Ghost" scheme. Which is the same as F-16N's "Ghost" scheme with FS36307, FS36251, FS35237 was. (Others were "Powder Puff" with FS35450, FS35622 and "Sukoi 2 tone" with FS35109, FS35237, FS36495) Hence my comment. Thanks for the info about HG paints though.
@@FirstDagger Thanks for the reply man. Apparently, USN "ghost" scheme uses the colors you mentioned and Block 30 F-16s in HAF service initially also used the same colors, but with slightly different patterns and the leading edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers are different from what I can tell. Also HAF Vipers use FS36320, which I'm not sure F-16Ns ever used.
@@Weaver1-1 ; Do you mean for the nose cone? Because that really isn't FS36320 but a rubber coating with similar color to FS36320. Given that F-16N are F-16C Block 30 they will most likely have used the same coating. Though apparently more modern HAF Vipers have a more blue base color for the nose cone, though the rubber coating on all Vipers gets dirty and is covered to almost dark grey, which can be cleaned to the base color again.
Love it Man , I've not been watching you for a while , I read majority of your books , loved the hellIicopter o stuffs , loved the "other two" mates you have dearly as I like you. Just my life got in the way , I did however appreciate the clear and concise you bring to this , I'm a bit lost with some of the terms but understand its got to be succinct so I need to learn. Well done and thanks for bringing me in again! YOU ARE GREAT!
Im pretty sure all dogfights on this video are with the Turkish airforce. You have to realize that, until recently, until the earthquake in Turkey, the Turks violated the Greek airspace 20-30 and up to 150 times a day. Interceptions and dogifhgts are on HAF's daily menu, like this is what they do every single day for decades.
The Greek definition of airspace is quite unique in the world:
Greek islands have 6 miles sea area but 10 miles air space.
Its kind of growing upwards and of course Turkiye doesn’t accept that so that “so called air violations" happen all the time :)
@@sevketyuyucu8594 This as much as unique as it seems it is completely *100% legal* and Turkey *officially accepted it, indeed approved it for more than 80 years.* Turkey cant withdraw from these anymore; countries have continuity and cant withdraw from what they approved for almost *80 straight years.* Simple as that...
@@sevketyuyucu8594 It is also clear that *today* the Greek islands may have 6nm of teritorial waters and 10nm of airspace, *but* UNCLOS (the United Nations Convantion on the Law of the Seas) determine that all countries on this Planet have the *unilateral right* to expand their territorial waters (and airspace) to 12nm. In other words, Greece has *less* NM of territorial waters than it supposed to have, and this only because of the *casus belli* Turkey holds against her, if Greece expand her territorial waters, *within her own sovereignity!* Greece is the only country on this Planet that is being *threatened with war* if she implements the International Law, a Law which Turkey itself already implements.
This situation cant continue and it wont continue. You should expect that this to change very soon.
I know everyone's already identified the Spitfire, but I wanted to comment from a non-expert point of view. I compared the sample image of the two aircraft with the one in the video and found some subtle but distinct differences that led me to believe it was the plane on the right (which turns out was the spitfire).
1. The shape of the top of the engine bay is curved downward on the hurricane but straight out from the cockpit glass on the spitfire (the same as the video).
2. There is a kink on the bottom of the tail section of the fuselage on the hurricane and again straight on the spitfire (the same as the video, but less apparent due to view angle).
3. The cockpit seems distinctly like the one of the right (spitfire again) - I can't explain - just looks like it.
4. And finally, the nail in the coffin is the tail wheel assembly. The left pic has a stubby scaffolding look to it while the right has a single strut protruding at an angle (the same as the video).
So in summary, I figured it was the right-hand plane, but since your video didn't identify which plane was which I still had no clue until I read the comments. Good stuff!
2:19 it's a clipped wings Spitfire. It was in Greece 1 or 2 years ago.
There are videos about it.
I got to see the Thunderbirds for the first time last Saturday it was awesome.
I fly a Rutan LongEZ, currently in the ThunderChicken paint scheme. A civilian, poor man's F-16 with a canard and the engine on the ass. a Bubble canopy cockpit, side stick control, left throttle, reclined seat, phenomenal views. Not for aerobatics or crazy maneuvers though, those don't excite me anymore, I just like to go places and have views. It's Affordable to fly at 6 gph. 140 knot cruise. 52 galls on gas if full tanks. Zip around the country. My plan is to attend as many flyins shows in 2024 as possible after my cockpit Garmin avionics upgrade is complete this fall. Mover, You should get one.
@11:50 DCS uses an F-16C bl.50 CCIP , that's what the turkish air force uses in some of their squadrons.
HAF 336 in the video is an F-16C bl.52+ Advanced. I think they are in a similar level but the Greek one is more advanced, as you can see in the video it also has a digital map on the right MFD like the Hornet has, CCIP doesn't have a digital map.
Greek airspace is secure. No doubt about that one! Thank u for the video.
The first major or obvious difference between the Hurricane and the Spit is the shape of the wings. The Hurricane has more or less, "squared" tipped wings, and the Spit has Eliptical (i.e., rounded) shaped wings on it. Also, the fuselage and canopy on the Spit is lower and more aerodynamic than the Hurricane's.
Iris -T I Greece was 1 of the countries Co-develope
Once again another quality and awesome breakdown. Thanks Mover
Every time you say Viper, I think Battlestar Galactica (the good one, with Lorne Greene).
That’s where it originated.
@@CWLemoine "Corps systems transferring control to probe craft, launch when ready."
Greek pilot is the best of NATO for many years, Thank you brother
And when was the last time greek air force used their airforce for actual combat? 10 years ago 20 yearsago? Acording to what they are best?
@@jupiterbirlesikgezegenleri9884 Why all the countries in NATO have this background?LOL
The scores and the exams prove that they are the best, That's why USA trained with Greece, The best in the world training the best in the world.
💪🇬🇷❤🇺🇲
@jupiterbirlesikgezegenleri9884 well...Greeks are not cowards like you to play the 'maccho' man in countries that don't have air defense.Playing from safety doesn't make you experiend, makes you opportunists to steal from others...something that you turks are famous for...
Now boo hoo away.
It's a Spitfire. There is a news story about a Spitfire that flew from England to Athens after being restored. Originally 77 Spitfires were presented to the Royal Hellenic Air Force in 1947. This could be the restored aircraft ?
"Greek pilots are frequently voted by their NATO counterparts as being the best in the world. It is recalled that Squadron Leader Anastasios Andronikakis was named NATO's best pilot in 2021. The 'best warrior', Andronikakis, is the one who NATO fighters would like to have by their side in a situation where necessary."
The easiest way to tell the Hurricane from the Spitfire is the canopy. The Spit has a sort of bubble canopy and the Hurricane has lots of little glass panels.
Also, one looks like a Spitfire! 😆
@@paulmurgatroyd6372 and the other doesn't 😅
the other big teller is the trailing edge wing root, the spit's one curves far more distinctly than the hurricane does, because the spit wing is thinner and its curve into the fuselage is more prominent
Would have thort the big scoop underneath the hurricane would have been the easiest.
@@animaltvi9515 one subtle one is the "cone angle" of the rear fuselage. That does it quite well for me.
someone needs to get mover a WW2 aircraft recognition book ;P
Another reason for moving the lights from the mains to the nose had to do with the LANTIRN pods.
Very Nice Video, Thank U Mover.
It is the only Greek spitfire survived . It was refurbished some years ago in UK .
i dont know if there was Hurricanes with CW Cutted Wings, but for me its a beauty of a Spitfire. More straight lines than a Hurrican with its more bulky lines
I purchased the first one for myself at Christmas and was well into it and then I developed of all ironic things. Some confounding eye problems ! For about two months I really couldn't read!! I live to read!!! But now am getting better and back into SPECTRE RISING, no spoilers I'm at the part where Soectre is taking heroic action!
A retired pilot said on television there are no maneuvers as before in order not to train the other side.
Maybe he used to be defensive all the time so he got an excuse.
ua-cam.com/video/GG0vv3BqU8A/v-deo.html
Back in Oct 22, a selfish pilot almost crashed his plane because he didn't accept that he lost the fight. He landed at Dalaman airport eventually. Bad fuel management.
First HUD footage: -The number?
-(Radar) For the next(?) 040 (?) The second fight BRA 07029, pair (2).
Second HUD - Informing the Radar - The (?) 2 F-16s are Armed. (the Turkish)
Last HUD footage - I'm with the 1 (meaning the Turkish formation leader).
Yes this is restored spitfire it was fore many many years as a static display in our war musium.
I do have pictures from the cockpit of the spitfire mark iX
Thank you, Mover!
The problem with these dogfights in the Aegean is that turkish pilots often panic and do something completely unacceptable. They release counter meter flaires who are designed to disorientate IR missiles and given the small distance they can be absorbed by greek f16 turbines or break the cockpit glass.... Most of turkish pilots are inexperienced and young, since Erdogan put older pilots out of the air force, being afraid that they want to kill him, during and after the unsuccessful coup against him ...
A low level physhological propagandist you are
Hahaha you dreamer 😂
@@gonenbaser5013 my friend I am telling the truth. The problem is what piece of truth you get in a country where your half mad narcissistic sultan controlles totally education and media you get to know ....
@@odysseasntalias5950henever I come across a Greek, he often claims the same kind of bla bla. You suppose democracy is something else that only exists in Greece in the world. We already had elections and the man you served as a Sultan won by the votes of our people. You accept Turkiye as what your media serves so you had better not insist on the idea of "we know your country better than you". Turkish army is one of the most operational proofed armies on NATO since it's foundation and got duties on almost all parts of the world. It's such a silly comment to claim Turkish pilots are inexperienced 😂 First of all being old is not a suitable option to control a fightet jet. Second a preperation of a pilot takes at least 5-6 years for operational duties so the guys you see in cocpits are not teenagers, all right? And last, as you know, you'll see dozens of Turkish jets without a cockpit or pilot on Aegean sea very soon 😜
@@mustafaesmer3450 I am sure that we will see planes with no pilots in the cockpit . Your new strategy is to do war with unmanned drones and tanks and syrian "volunteers" who die for you for a thousand dollars a month.... By the way your army had a lot of problems in kurdistan and Syria and in Libya your army units three years after still do not know what hit them ..... But still you believe what they show you. Weren't you ever suspicious that they don't tell you everything???
Hi very nice video the plane is a spitfire its a historical plane who belonged to the greek air force during ww2 it was restored in Great Britain and is used for ceremonial purposes
Great analysis Mover...
The old plane is the Spitfire LF MK.IXc MJ755
Its a Spitfire, you can tell by the size of the vertical stab and the distance from the canopy to the stab.
Good stuff!!!! Thanks
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Def a Spitfire. I used to build lot of models. You said you remember your first love, Spitfire with clipped wings was my first model i made. This is Spitfire with clipped wings.
Spitfire LF Mk IX ... tail number: MJ 755
Its a spitfire mark IX which we have it since after ww2, it took part in civil war 1947 -49 and it been restored to flyworthy condition in the last 5 years. Its the only one of its type in flyworthy condition in the word. It flys on our parades and in special events, such as when the Rafales came to their new nests.
6:51 This plane is a spitfire I know it because I’ve seen it in person and you can also search it if you want:) Also if you want to see more dogfights you can search molon lave f-16. Which is a UA-cam channel of a haf pilot.
Great breakdown as always love your videos, but that is a Spitfire look closely. You can see it’s got a little tiny bubble type canopy the hurricane never had that 150% a Spitfire
So no Hurricanes with Malcom hoods?
16:30 The hellenic air force doesn't have F-16s with the hill grey camouflage
Thanks Mover. Love the content. Would you consider reviewing some of Growling Sidewinders fights? As someone with limited understanding of the tactics, he seems like a hell of a pilot but i would love to know what you think.
Support for our greek brothers in Hellenic AF. Keep your skies safe.
The WW2 aircraft is clearly a Spitfire. It has clipped wings, so it is a low altitude fighter.
I never knew MOVER was an adversary pilot , very cool being the bad guy is more fun ... 😁😁
I would love it if you could do a Mover ruins Movies for Sully, starring Tom Hanks🙂🙂🙂
Turkey and Greece disagree about where their sea and air borders are and add the fact that Aegean is a very small sea, (mock) dogfights, while officially discouraged, occur frequently and pilots use them to improve their reputation over other pilots. (Disclosure: I'm from Turkey).
@@nemiw4429 sooner or later we should solve this issues on table...
Great video. What’s the more dangerous comment minefield: Turkish v. Greek or Indian vs Pakistani conflicts? Either side of either conflict will tell you with 100% certainty that they have dominated the other in the skies while being equally loathe to acknowledge any defeat. So…gutsy move man
Having done both, I’d say you’re right. Tough call.
@@CWLemoineI can’t find any India versus Pakistan videos on your playlist. Any date I can search on? And yes turn off comments for those two. They can’t even agree on the color of sand….
The Turkey vs. Greece "conflict" is certainly the weirder one of these two (btw. all conflicts between countries seem weird to me), since they are both NATO members and therefore supposed to be allies. I wonder what the other NATO countries would do if a real armed conflict broke out between Turkey and Greece
@@Yankee7000 I knew a guy who said his dad served in the PAF as a fighter pilot and retired as a "Wing Commander" (similar to USAF Colonel). He claimed his dad flew multiple different aircraft and was trained to use multiple weapon systems. He also claimed that PAF pilots only train on live aircraft and don't use simulators. I have some doubts about the simulator thing, but what do I know? I know Pak people like to exaggerate things LOL.
@@adnaansheikh1 look up Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail, all your questions including the quantum leap the induction of the F-16 caused in PAF’s standards. That a typical PAF pilot could have flown the F 86, the MiG 19 (F-6 in Shenyang parlance) the Chinese A-5, the MiG 21 (F-7P in Chinese parlance), Mirages of various types including the 2000, the F-16 of various blocks and MLUs, and goodness knows what else in deputations to the various Middle Eastern air forces including in the 1970s the Turkish with their F -5s, is quite possible. Badge of honor for a lot of those pilots, the variety they flew….
Not to mention the F104, although they probably weren’t around long enough to fly the 80’s onwards, if not earlier….
I am dead certain they they live trained on F 86s. MiGs probably dual seaters.
the title says: 80 years anniversary of 336 squadron. they put out their training clips. its not turkish
The F16 is just beautiful
The early 20 teens there where a number of intercepts by the HAF of Turkish AF fighters iirc reading about them in Combat Aircraft.
Enjoyed the video
Hey, very nice breakdown and very nice work from the 336M. I just wanted to say, the Hellenic Airforce unlisted/took down the original upload a few hours ago, they haven't disclosed why yet.
Weird.
@@CWLemoine Indeed, the first thing I thought of was that they possibly realized something classified/sensitive could be seen in the video. I think it could have been the VHF frequencies, they are visible in some parts of the cockpit footage, but the letters are too tiny to read. But yeah, they certainly have a reason to take it down themselves. I can let you know if they disclose it.
Also, I know that similar things have happened in the past with HAF, there were some HUD videos where frequencies (I think) were visible, not sure if they took those down but many people were saying that stuff shouldn't be public. I know for a fact though, that these HUD videos have been reuploaded by users and are still around.
Maybe there's something sensitive shown during the hangar footage that we haven't noticed, I honestly don't know.
Please let me know as I don't wish to reveal anything either.
Butthurt Turkish aviators I think. LoL
@@CWLemoine Well, they still haven't disclosed anything. No announcement, no repost, nothing. The video is still gone from every place where it was uploaded originally. At this point I really don't think they're going to say anything about it, but the video is still gone. I just wanted to update you.
Terrific, Mover!
Very educational.
Can't wait for footage from our new Rafales
I believe that the plane is a Spitfire... I believe too that it has the " Abukir" filter